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69in09 -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 10:43:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: 69in09 quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J I wonder when Walsh will come out and say what actually happened technically that screwed up the kick. He did very well not bringing it up before now. I can tell you right now. He didn't "overstep" the kick. When you need the ball to take a right angle (as in this kick) you should step further past the ball than you would for a straight on kick. Of course, the opposite is true when you want to angle the kick to the left. You would stop a little short. For PATS he puts the ball on the right hash, so he is obviously more comfortable doing that. Presnap he angled himself right, but he didn't overstep and subsequently had almost no follow through. As he finishes, his leg comes more across his body that forward towards the uprights, as it should. Because that is an unusual angle he needed to consciously remember think to overstep on the 27 yarder, but clearly didn't. I read somewhere that Kluwe twitted right away that his plant foot was too close to the ball. I noticed he seemed a little close too but from my experience the closeness of the plant foot is more a preference thing for the kicker than something that will effect the direction of the kick.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 10:43:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing.... the team punting has only one option on a punt.. first touching or downing the ball.. which is essentislly the same thing.. the only way a punted ball can become "live" and the punting team can do anything but down it, is if it touches in any way a member of the receiving team.. once a member of the receiving team touches the ball , either by attempting to field a punt ( muffed)or by inadvertently being touched on the leg or in the back, or any other way touches the punted ball first,, and ONLY if a receiving team player touches the ball first.. it is then a live ball and can be picked up and advanced by either team. Punting team members SHOULD BE surrounding the ball.. This is way the punt returner either calls for a Fair Catch, to field it clean and "down it" at the spot of the fair catch, or waves off all other players on the receiving team so they DO NOT accidently touch it , creating a live ball. I have seen a punting team touch the ball first and then the receiving team pick it up and run for a score....there is no muff/fumble if the punting team touches it first.

Ricky J -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 10:44:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Merry Christmas, David. I hope all is well! Thank you Ricky. All was well that day. Also thank you again for all your wonderful support and help you gave me. I would normally say 'you'll never know how much it meant' but I have a feeling you DO know how much it meant. I'm throwing this out here on the board not for me but for anyone else who by chance might need to hear it... I spent Christmas in an inpatient treatment center for chemical dependency. I spent 34 days there total with little to no contact with the outside world. I won't use the 40-50+ pages it would take for me to describe the experience but I'll just say that it might be the single most important thing I've ever done and it 100% without a doubt saved my life - for now - as long as I continue to work for a positive recovery. Please... PLEASE if you are suffering or feel there is no where to turn or no one to talk to seek help. Things might seem hopeless and dark but there are people who can help. Reach out. Spent 45 days in such a place (some are sicker than others, as the saying goes) starting December 6, 1983. Life got better and has continued so ever since. Keep coming back. Continued good health to you guys....glad to hear it. Heck, good health to you guys! I pretty much know I'm not going to kill myself, get sick, or end up in jail (anymore) because of booze. We've got it made. Good luck to you guys! [;)]

69in09 -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 10:46:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: 69in09 quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing.... I think I've been over this once before. With all my deletes I'm not sure. If the punting team touches, but not downs the ball, it is called first touching and the ball is still live. The ball will be set to play at either the first touching or the downed spot - which ever is further. It doesn't matter if you accidentally touch it and they recover because it would go to the spot of first touching. That's why, imo, it is smart to try and pick up the ball and run. The worst thing that can happen to you is it will go back to first touching. I've been over this with my son. The ball is punted, there is a first touching, bean bag is marking the spot, my boy is trying to get into position to pick up the ball and run, the coaches are screaming, "GET AWAY FROM THE BALL, " I'm screaming from the stands, "PICK IT UP AND RUN!" Who ever said the coaches are smarter than us fans? Ludicrous! You are exactly right. I believe you have said you have officiated before or still do? When the punting team touches but doesn't down the ball it's oddly called an "illegal touching" and the receiving team should be able to advance it but frequently it's prematurely blown dead.. I think most coaches don't favor players trying to advance it because 1) You are relying of the official to make the right call and 2) The player might think the other team touched it, but didn't. I officiated 15 years in high school. Loved Friday nights about as much as anything. I gave it up to watch my kids play. re: ... most coaches don't favor players trying to advance it because ... In my opinion they don't favor it because they don't know the rules. That might well be true too. On multiple occasions I'm explained it to other coaches on the field and they seem incapable of grasping the concept.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 10:54:16 AM)
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/12_Rule9_Scrimmage_Kick.pdf FIRST TOUCHING BEYOND THE LINE Article 2 “First touching” is when a player of the kicking team touches a scrimmage kick that is beyond the line of scrimmage before it has been touched by a player of the receiving team beyond the line. If the ball is first touched by a player of the kicking team, it remains in play. First touching is a violation, and the receivers shall have the option of taking possession of the ball at the spot of first touching, provided no penalty is accepted on the play, or at the spot where the ball is dead. First touching does not offset a foul by the receivers. Note: If the receiving team gains possession, subsequently loses possession, and fouls after the kicking team gains possession, the spot of first touching is disregarded, and the kicking team retains possession. KICKERS CATCH OR RECOVER BEYOND LINE Article 2 When the kickers catch or recover a kick beyond the line of scrimmage, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery, even if a member of the receiving team has first touched the ball. Item 1: Legal Catch or Recovery. If the receiving team touches the ball beyond the line, a subsequent catch or recovery by the kicking team is legal, but the ball is dead. In the event of such a catch or recovery, it is first-and-10 for the kickers, or if the ball is caught or recovered by the kickers in the receiver’s end zone, it is a touchdown for the kickers. See 7-3-1-d. Item 2: Illegal Catch or Recovery. If the kickers catch or recover a kick beyond the line that has not been touched beyond the line by the receiving team, the ball is dead, and it is first-and-10 for the receivers at the spot of catch or recovery (see 11-4-2 for missed goals). If a kick from behind the line is touched by the receiving team behind the line, such touching does not make the kicking team eligible to catch or recover the kick beyond the line. Item 3: If a player of the kicking team illegally catches or recovers a scrimmage kick, other than a field goal attempt from beyond the 20-yard line, and carries the ball across the goal line, or touches the goal line with any part of his body while in possession of the ball, the ball is dead, and the result of the play is a touchback. For a missed field goal from beyond the 20-yard line, see 11-4-2. In this case the bolded means the person actually kicking.. IE the punter

ratoppenheimer -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 12:45:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing.... the team punting has only one option on a punt.. first touching or downing the ball.. which is essentislly the same thing.. the only way a punted ball can become "live" and the punting team can do anything but down it, is if it touches in any way a member of the receiving team.. once a member of the receiving team touches the ball , either by attempting to field a punt ( muffed)or by inadvertently being touched on the leg or in the back, or any other way touches the punted ball first,, and ONLY if a receiving team player touches the ball first.. it is then a live ball and can be picked up and advanced by either team. Punting team members SHOULD BE surrounding the ball.. This is way the punt returner either calls for a Fair Catch, to field it clean and "down it" at the spot of the fair catch, or waves off all other players on the receiving team so they DO NOT accidently touch it , creating a live ball. He must have switched punting team and receiving team around inadvertently. He would know that otherwise. i did not explain myself properly, and i apologize.... i meant our receiving team on a punt...our receiving team players surround the ball while punting team is letting to ball dribble down the field...our receiving team fakes like they're going to jump into the scrum to get the ball...this seems stupid regarding the rules as i understand them....

DavidAOlson -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 1:24:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: 69in09 quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: 69in09 quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J I wonder when Walsh will come out and say what actually happened technically that screwed up the kick. He did very well not bringing it up before now. I can tell you right now. He didn't "overstep" the kick. When you need the ball to take a right angle (as in this kick) you should step further past the ball than you would for a straight on kick. Of course, the opposite is true when you want to angle the kick to the left. You would stop a little short. For PATS he puts the ball on the right hash, so he is obviously more comfortable doing that. Presnap he angled himself right, but he didn't overstep and subsequently had almost no follow through. As he finishes, his leg comes more across his body that forward towards the uprights, as it should. Because that is an unusual angle he needed to consciously remember think to overstep on the 27 yarder, but clearly didn't. I read somewhere that Kluwe twitted right away that his plant foot was too close to the ball. I noticed he seemed a little close too but from my experience the closeness of the plant foot is more a preference thing for the kicker than something that will effect the direction of the kick. That's not correct. Walsh was too close compared to his usual distance, and that affects his swing. http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/special-teams-film-study-nfl/2016/01/10/explaining-blair-walsh-missed-field-goal/

Bill Jandro -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 6:38:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson quote: ORIGINAL: 69in09 quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: 69in09 quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J I wonder when Walsh will come out and say what actually happened technically that screwed up the kick. He did very well not bringing it up before now. I can tell you right now. He didn't "overstep" the kick. When you need the ball to take a right angle (as in this kick) you should step further past the ball than you would for a straight on kick. Of course, the opposite is true when you want to angle the kick to the left. You would stop a little short. For PATS he puts the ball on the right hash, so he is obviously more comfortable doing that. Presnap he angled himself right, but he didn't overstep and subsequently had almost no follow through. As he finishes, his leg comes more across his body that forward towards the uprights, as it should. Because that is an unusual angle he needed to consciously remember think to overstep on the 27 yarder, but clearly didn't. I read somewhere that Kluwe twitted right away that his plant foot was too close to the ball. I noticed he seemed a little close too but from my experience the closeness of the plant foot is more a preference thing for the kicker than something that will effect the direction of the kick. That's not correct. Walsh was too close compared to his usual distance, and that affects his swing. http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/special-teams-film-study-nfl/2016/01/10/explaining-blair-walsh-missed-field-goal/ Good article. Walsh missing the kick had nothing to do with the weather just horse shit mechanics. Had the ball been on the right hash mark it would have been perfect

thebigo -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 7:11:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing.... the team punting has only one option on a punt.. first touching or downing the ball.. which is essentislly the same thing.. the only way a punted ball can become "live" and the punting team can do anything but down it, is if it touches in any way a member of the receiving team.. once a member of the receiving team touches the ball , either by attempting to field a punt ( muffed)or by inadvertently being touched on the leg or in the back, or any other way touches the punted ball first,, and ONLY if a receiving team player touches the ball first.. it is then a live ball and can be picked up and advanced by either team. Punting team members SHOULD BE surrounding the ball.. This is way the punt returner either calls for a Fair Catch, to field it clean and "down it" at the spot of the fair catch, or waves off all other players on the receiving team so they DO NOT accidently touch it , creating a live ball. He must have switched punting team and receiving team around inadvertently. He would know that otherwise. i did not explain myself properly, and i apologize.... i meant our receiving team on a punt...our receiving team players surround the ball while punting team is letting to ball dribble down the field...our receiving team fakes like they're going to jump into the scrum to get the ball...this seems stupid regarding the rules as i understand them.... Guess I never noticed that.

thebigo -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 7:14:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Merry Christmas, David. I hope all is well! Thank you Ricky. All was well that day. Also thank you again for all your wonderful support and help you gave me. I would normally say 'you'll never know how much it meant' but I have a feeling you DO know how much it meant. I'm throwing this out here on the board not for me but for anyone else who by chance might need to hear it... I spent Christmas in an inpatient treatment center for chemical dependency. I spent 34 days there total with little to no contact with the outside world. I won't use the 40-50+ pages it would take for me to describe the experience but I'll just say that it might be the single most important thing I've ever done and it 100% without a doubt saved my life - for now - as long as I continue to work for a positive recovery. Please... PLEASE if you are suffering or feel there is no where to turn or no one to talk to seek help. Things might seem hopeless and dark but there are people who can help. Reach out. Spent 45 days in such a place (some are sicker than others, as the saying goes) starting December 6, 1983. Life got better and has continued so ever since. Keep coming back. Continued good health to you guys....glad to hear it. Heck, good health to you guys! I pretty much know I'm not going to kill myself, get sick, or end up in jail (anymore) because of booze. We've got it made. Good luck to you guys! [;)] Just don't run into JC, you should be good. [;)]

Ricky J -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 7:38:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Merry Christmas, David. I hope all is well! Thank you Ricky. All was well that day. Also thank you again for all your wonderful support and help you gave me. I would normally say 'you'll never know how much it meant' but I have a feeling you DO know how much it meant. I'm throwing this out here on the board not for me but for anyone else who by chance might need to hear it... I spent Christmas in an inpatient treatment center for chemical dependency. I spent 34 days there total with little to no contact with the outside world. I won't use the 40-50+ pages it would take for me to describe the experience but I'll just say that it might be the single most important thing I've ever done and it 100% without a doubt saved my life - for now - as long as I continue to work for a positive recovery. Please... PLEASE if you are suffering or feel there is no where to turn or no one to talk to seek help. Things might seem hopeless and dark but there are people who can help. Reach out. Spent 45 days in such a place (some are sicker than others, as the saying goes) starting December 6, 1983. Life got better and has continued so ever since. Keep coming back. Continued good health to you guys....glad to hear it. Heck, good health to you guys! I pretty much know I'm not going to kill myself, get sick, or end up in jail (anymore) because of booze. We've got it made. Good luck to you guys! [;)] Just don't run into JC, you should be good. [;)] I don't run anymore, too old - unlike you [;)]

69in09 -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/14/2016 8:35:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson quote: ORIGINAL: 69in09 quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: 69in09 quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J I wonder when Walsh will come out and say what actually happened technically that screwed up the kick. He did very well not bringing it up before now. I can tell you right now. He didn't "overstep" the kick. When you need the ball to take a right angle (as in this kick) you should step further past the ball than you would for a straight on kick. Of course, the opposite is true when you want to angle the kick to the left. You would stop a little short. For PATS he puts the ball on the right hash, so he is obviously more comfortable doing that. Presnap he angled himself right, but he didn't overstep and subsequently had almost no follow through. As he finishes, his leg comes more across his body that forward towards the uprights, as it should. Because that is an unusual angle he needed to consciously remember think to overstep on the 27 yarder, but clearly didn't. I read somewhere that Kluwe twitted right away that his plant foot was too close to the ball. I noticed he seemed a little close too but from my experience the closeness of the plant foot is more a preference thing for the kicker than something that will effect the direction of the kick. That's not correct. Walsh was too close compared to his usual distance, and that affects his swing. http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/special-teams-film-study-nfl/2016/01/10/explaining-blair-walsh-missed-field-goal/ That's what I get for talking in absolutes. It looks like that was the cause. I don't think it's necessarily that his plant foot was too close, but if that varied from his regular plant (which seems very wide in his example) that could have easily caused it. I haven't re-watched it since seeing it live and with the immediate replays and I was pretty pissed off at the time. I see on his example when contact is made, the rubber pebbles are all behind his plan foot so his "overstep" was likely sufficient. Thanks for providing that. I stand corrected.

eagleflorida -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/15/2016 8:13:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing.... the team punting has only one option on a punt.. first touching or downing the ball.. which is essentislly the same thing.. the only way a punted ball can become "live" and the punting team can do anything but down it, is if it touches in any way a member of the receiving team.. once a member of the receiving team touches the ball , either by attempting to field a punt ( muffed)or by inadvertently being touched on the leg or in the back, or any other way touches the punted ball first,, and ONLY if a receiving team player touches the ball first.. it is then a live ball and can be picked up and advanced by either team. Punting team members SHOULD BE surrounding the ball.. This is way the punt returner either calls for a Fair Catch, to field it clean and "down it" at the spot of the fair catch, or waves off all other players on the receiving team so they DO NOT accidently touch it , creating a live ball. He must have switched punting team and receiving team around inadvertently. He would know that otherwise. i did not explain myself properly, and i apologize.... i meant our receiving team on a punt...our receiving team players surround the ball while punting team is letting to ball dribble down the field...our receiving team fakes like they're going to jump into the scrum to get the ball...this seems stupid regarding the rules as i understand them.... I absolutley agree with you on this. I saw it occur at least once in that last game & I gave it a WTF is this crap all about. Some new scheme I supposed but it didn't make much sense to me as I understood the rules.

David F. -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/15/2016 9:48:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eagleflorida quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing.... the team punting has only one option on a punt.. first touching or downing the ball.. which is essentislly the same thing.. the only way a punted ball can become "live" and the punting team can do anything but down it, is if it touches in any way a member of the receiving team.. once a member of the receiving team touches the ball , either by attempting to field a punt ( muffed)or by inadvertently being touched on the leg or in the back, or any other way touches the punted ball first,, and ONLY if a receiving team player touches the ball first.. it is then a live ball and can be picked up and advanced by either team. Punting team members SHOULD BE surrounding the ball.. This is way the punt returner either calls for a Fair Catch, to field it clean and "down it" at the spot of the fair catch, or waves off all other players on the receiving team so they DO NOT accidently touch it , creating a live ball. He must have switched punting team and receiving team around inadvertently. He would know that otherwise. i did not explain myself properly, and i apologize.... i meant our receiving team on a punt...our receiving team players surround the ball while punting team is letting to ball dribble down the field...our receiving team fakes like they're going to jump into the scrum to get the ball...this seems stupid regarding the rules as i understand them.... I absolutley agree with you on this. I saw it occur at least once in that last game & I gave it a WTF is this crap all about. Some new scheme I supposed but it didn't make much sense to me as I understood the rules. I've seen it too. It gives me a mild heart attack.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/15/2016 10:02:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: eagleflorida quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing.... the team punting has only one option on a punt.. first touching or downing the ball.. which is essentislly the same thing.. the only way a punted ball can become "live" and the punting team can do anything but down it, is if it touches in any way a member of the receiving team.. once a member of the receiving team touches the ball , either by attempting to field a punt ( muffed)or by inadvertently being touched on the leg or in the back, or any other way touches the punted ball first,, and ONLY if a receiving team player touches the ball first.. it is then a live ball and can be picked up and advanced by either team. Punting team members SHOULD BE surrounding the ball.. This is way the punt returner either calls for a Fair Catch, to field it clean and "down it" at the spot of the fair catch, or waves off all other players on the receiving team so they DO NOT accidently touch it , creating a live ball. He must have switched punting team and receiving team around inadvertently. He would know that otherwise. i did not explain myself properly, and i apologize.... i meant our receiving team on a punt...our receiving team players surround the ball while punting team is letting to ball dribble down the field...our receiving team fakes like they're going to jump into the scrum to get the ball...this seems stupid regarding the rules as i understand them.... I absolutley agree with you on this. I saw it occur at least once in that last game & I gave it a WTF is this crap all about. Some new scheme I supposed but it didn't make much sense to me as I understood the rules. I've seen it too. It gives me a mild heart attack. i've noticed it in our last couple of games...one inadvertent bounce - ball touches receiving team player - live ball and all hell breaks loose.... i cannot imagine what priefer's thought process is here, but it's hard to see an upside that balances the extreme downside.... if that ball touches one vikings player and the punting team recovers zimmer and the rest of us are going apeshit....

69in09 -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/15/2016 10:44:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: eagleflorida quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . does it bother anyone else that our punting team players run down and surround the receiving players and the bouncing ball before it's been downed and could become 'live' if it touches one the punting team players?...they fake like they're going to grab the ball and while doing so get way too close to the ball...it just seems so risky and all for nothing.... the team punting has only one option on a punt.. first touching or downing the ball.. which is essentislly the same thing.. the only way a punted ball can become "live" and the punting team can do anything but down it, is if it touches in any way a member of the receiving team.. once a member of the receiving team touches the ball , either by attempting to field a punt ( muffed)or by inadvertently being touched on the leg or in the back, or any other way touches the punted ball first,, and ONLY if a receiving team player touches the ball first.. it is then a live ball and can be picked up and advanced by either team. Punting team members SHOULD BE surrounding the ball.. This is way the punt returner either calls for a Fair Catch, to field it clean and "down it" at the spot of the fair catch, or waves off all other players on the receiving team so they DO NOT accidently touch it , creating a live ball. He must have switched punting team and receiving team around inadvertently. He would know that otherwise. i did not explain myself properly, and i apologize.... i meant our receiving team on a punt...our receiving team players surround the ball while punting team is letting to ball dribble down the field...our receiving team fakes like they're going to jump into the scrum to get the ball...this seems stupid regarding the rules as i understand them.... I absolutley agree with you on this. I saw it occur at least once in that last game & I gave it a WTF is this crap all about. Some new scheme I supposed but it didn't make much sense to me as I understood the rules. I've seen it too. It gives me a mild heart attack. i've noticed it in our last couple of games...one inadvertent bounce - ball touches receiving team player - live ball and all hell breaks loose.... i cannot imagine what priefer's thought process is here, but it's hard to see an upside that balances the extreme downside.... if that ball touches one vikings player and the punting team recovers zimmer and the rest of us are going apeshit.... The only possible advantage I see is that it may provoke the kicking team to touch the ball prematurely? I guess he really trusts his guys to make smart plays. The risk seems to far out weigh the reward on that.

Mark Anderson -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/19/2016 11:39:40 AM)
Viking Special Teams rated #10 by Rick Gosselin. If we cut Locke, maybe we can get into the Top 5.

Todd M -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/19/2016 11:46:23 AM)
Might as well scrap it all. Lifer ST's coach that does little. A shit punter. A choking top 5 paid middle producing kicker. Use up CP's legs for one more year on the cheap if you have to. Hope his positives outweigh the negatives. Low rounders available every year that aren't starting CB's, RB's or WR's but dangerous returners so I wouldn't sweat it too much.

kgdabom -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/19/2016 12:31:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson quote: ORIGINAL: 69in09 quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: 69in09 quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J I wonder when Walsh will come out and say what actually happened technically that screwed up the kick. He did very well not bringing it up before now. I can tell you right now. He didn't "overstep" the kick. When you need the ball to take a right angle (as in this kick) you should step further past the ball than you would for a straight on kick. Of course, the opposite is true when you want to angle the kick to the left. You would stop a little short. For PATS he puts the ball on the right hash, so he is obviously more comfortable doing that. Presnap he angled himself right, but he didn't overstep and subsequently had almost no follow through. As he finishes, his leg comes more across his body that forward towards the uprights, as it should. Because that is an unusual angle he needed to consciously remember think to overstep on the 27 yarder, but clearly didn't. I read somewhere that Kluwe twitted right away that his plant foot was too close to the ball. I noticed he seemed a little close too but from my experience the closeness of the plant foot is more a preference thing for the kicker than something that will effect the direction of the kick. That's not correct. Walsh was too close compared to his usual distance, and that affects his swing. http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/special-teams-film-study-nfl/2016/01/10/explaining-blair-walsh-missed-field-goal/ Good article. Walsh missing the kick had nothing to do with the weather just horse shit mechanics. Had the ball been on the right hash mark it would have been perfect So why didn't we run to the right?

Jeff Jesser -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/19/2016 12:48:27 PM)
We did. Peterson cut it back trying to force his way for a first down.

DavidAOlson -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/19/2016 3:59:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser We did. Peterson cut it back trying to force his way for a first down. And in the Peterson thread AD was taking heat for running into the pile instead of looking for the hole. Here he takes heat for going into the hole instead of running into the pile. Yes, the right hash was preferred, but the left hash shouldn't have made much of a difference. And the first down would have been worth it. The snapper/holder were having issues all day, which might mean they didn't practice enough in the cold with gloves on, to get the rotations right. The kicker reverted to putting his plant foot too close, like earlier in the season. The punter, one of the best prospects to come out in the last few years, has been at the bottom of the league. I'm old enough to remember when a subgroup of posters was thrilled to dump the then average Kluwe --- who curiously had regressed when a new ST coach showed up --- for the cheaper hot prospect. Can we get average back? He got credit for fixing Walsh, but apparently not much blame for his regression (see Todd M's post in the General thread). He doesn't take heat for Kluwe's regression upon his arrival, for Locke's underperformance, and somehow the underperformance of punters he's coached at other stops teflons away. The kickoff team coverage seemed less than stellar late in the season. At some points, Priefer had the excuse of weak personnel (e.g., telling Kluwe he had to compensate for a coverage team that wasn't very good). But looking at what Zim managed to put together against the Cards, when he was pretty well down his depth chart, that excuse is pretty much gone. He gets credit for developing Sherels into a solid PR and excellent gunner. He's done a good job with first-round kickoff returners (Harvin, Patterson), but that's not an ideal source for ST talent. Punt coverage seemed fine. Is there anything else that stands out as a solid plus? Zimmer isn't going to replace him, but I really doubt the situation gets better by changing players and keeping the coach the same. Maybe I'm wrong. Someone try to convince me otherwise. For obvious reasons, he's unlikely to get hired away. Zim might be reluctant to drop him because he'd have a hard time getting new coaching job. Or maybe Zim likes the mentality and hasn't really looked at the ST performance in a detailed way. Or maybe I'm just plain wrong and Priefer is an irreplaceable genius.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/19/2016 6:33:42 PM)
Oh, don't get me wrong. I wasn't blaming Peterson, just answering the question. He was very close to a first down and that would have been huge. That miss was/is all on Walsh.

Bill Jandro -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/19/2016 6:54:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser We did. Peterson cut it back trying to force his way for a first down. We didn't need to get any closer. We needed the ball on the right hash mark and his holiness was more interested in playing hero ball.

Todd M -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/19/2016 7:45:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser We did. Peterson cut it back trying to force his way for a first down. We didn't need to get any closer. We needed the ball on the right hash mark and his holiness was more interested in playing hero ball. **** the hashmark. It was so close it would be like throwing a tennis ball through a hula hoop from 5 feet. No matter a little to the left or a little to the right you should make it every time. Peterson didn't do anything wrong that last drive. He had that ball secured better than he ever has in his life and tried to muscle the best he could for the 1st down. Got close to.

Ricky J -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (1/19/2016 7:47:47 PM)
A 27 F yard field goal! Stop making this out to be anything other than B Walsh choked and ended our season. The pros hash marks are less than half the size of college, high schools divide their fields in thirds.

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