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Ian Joseph -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 11:50:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stfrank Seems like the NFL is getting more and more like the NBA with a few very highly paid stars per team and a bunch of minimum wage guys to fill out the roster. It works fine in the NBA where there are only 5 players on the court, but when it takes 22 guys to field a full team I'm not so sure how it's going to work out. Look how well it worked for Green Bay last season without Erin. In a game where one hit can end your season I just don't see that model is going to work out in the long run..... The NBA also doesn't have a hard salary cap like the NFL does. With the television money continuing to rise, so will contracts, especially stars.

Ian Joseph -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 11:54:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph I dont see the Bears having to pay Mack as anything but a duh kind of thing. The only question will be if he gets more money than Aaron Donald. I don't see making the deal though unless the Bears had an extension in hand. They can. I'm not sure they could negotiate with him before the trade. But, how hard is it to negotiate a long term contract when a team trades for you knowing they have to (and want to)? I dont see the lack of a contract extension being an issue at all. I don't know whether they can technically negotiate with him before the trade is completed, but they could do it through the Raiders. Contract negotiations are all about leverage and making the trade without having the extension done gives Mack incredible leverage. But, leverage isnt necessary in this instance. If I want to pay you 100 million, what difference does leverage make if that's your demand? In theory, what youre saying makes sense. In reality, the Bears have traded for him with the universal understanding that they have to now pay him. If they weren't willing to, they wouldnt be giving up 2 first rounders.

marty -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 3:54:20 PM)
I think it's a great deal for the Bears, he will make everybody around him better. The Bears getting a 2nd and 5th for the Raiders 1st, if the Raiders suck, isn't too far off for what the Raiders might have given up to move up to the Bears spot. So in a way, the Bears essentially just gave up one first rounder for Mack. The Bears will likely get one of the best LBers in the league for the next 3 years, while the Raiders get a player that has a decent chance of being a bust, and might well not do much of anything for them for 2 or 3 years.

Todd M -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 4:15:37 PM)
quote: So in a way, the Bears essentially just gave up one first rounder for Mack No. They gave up 2 firsts and were able to swap a 3rd for a 2nd and a 6th for a 5th. It still cost 2 first rounders. But you won't see it, you'll dismiss this, or forget it. You have just recently said Jared Allen cost us 2 1sts when it was a 1st and 2 3rds. Brutal.

thebigo -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 5:00:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph I dont see the Bears having to pay Mack as anything but a duh kind of thing. The only question will be if he gets more money than Aaron Donald. I don't see making the deal though unless the Bears had an extension in hand. They can. I'm not sure they could negotiate with him before the trade. But, how hard is it to negotiate a long term contract when a team trades for you knowing they have to (and want to)? I dont see the lack of a contract extension being an issue at all. I don't know whether they can technically negotiate with him before the trade is completed, but they could do it through the Raiders. Contract negotiations are all about leverage and making the trade without having the extension done gives Mack incredible leverage. But, leverage isnt necessary in this instance. If I want to pay you 100 million, what difference does leverage make if that's your demand? In theory, what youre saying makes sense. In reality, the Bears have traded for him with the universal understanding that they have to now pay him. If they weren't willing to, they wouldnt be giving up 2 first rounders. And if they "have" to pay him, why wouldn't he jack up his asking price?

Ian Joseph -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 5:01:54 PM)
Like to what? $200 million lol?

thebigo -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 5:06:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Like to what? $200 million lol? Another $20-$30M over what he was planning on asking for? $5-6M/year. Maybe he gets really greedy, sees the chance to be the highest paid defensive player in the league.

Ian Joseph -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 5:10:32 PM)
Hes already going to be that. There is a theory that Mark Davis is cash poor and the Raiders traded him because they cant afford the signing bonus right now.

Ian Joseph -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 5:13:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Hes already going to be that. There is a theory that Mark Davis is cash poor and the Raiders traded him because they cant afford the signing bonus right now. And as I type it, they have a deal. 90 million guaranteed. 60 million signing bonus. Now the highest paid defensive player.

marty -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 5:14:09 PM)
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter Trade official, source tells ESPN: Bears get: Khalil Mack, a 2020 second-round round pick and a conditional 2020 fifth-round pick. Raiders get: 2019 first-round pick, 2020 first-round pick, 2020 third-round pick, 2019 sixth-round pick. Ok Todd, the Bears gave up a little more than I said. You could say they are swapping a 3rd for a 2nd, or you could say they gave up a 3rd, and are just moving back a little bit from their 1st to the Raiders 2nd, which might not be a lot if the Raiders minus Mack suck, and the Bears do well. I do stand corrected, and appreciate it, facts are important, and I am sorry I was mistaken. I was also mistakenly thinking the Vikes gave up 2 1sts for Allen, and just thought it was too bad the Vikes didn't get a future 2nd or 3rd from KC. Sorry, I will try to be more accurate in the future, think a little more before posting, I have a lot going on right now, and am trying to read a lot of information on different topics.

Dave Odle -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 6:16:02 PM)
Minor news, but interesting; 49er's RB Jerrick McKinnon feared to have an ACL tear.

kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 8:43:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Like to what? $200 million lol? Mack got 23.5 AAV a million more than Donald. I personally don't consider him to be on Donald's level. He also got 7 million more in guaranteed money I believe. Bears were desperate enough to give up the picks plus pay the IMO inflated contract. I think they will regret it in the long run. Time will tell.

Ian Joseph -> RE: Other NFL News (9/1/2018 9:44:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Like to what? $200 million lol? Mack got 23.5 AAV a million more than Donald. I personally don't consider him to be on Donald's level. He also got 7 million more in guaranteed money I believe. Bears were desperate enough to give up the picks plus pay the IMO inflated contract. I think they will regret it in the long run. Time will tell. That's always what it was going to be. The only difference between the two contracts was which of the two players would sign first. The second was always going to be a touch higher. That's what happens when two of the best defensive players are eligible for extensions at the same time.

kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 1:11:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Like to what? $200 million lol? Mack got 23.5 AAV a million more than Donald. I personally don't consider him to be on Donald's level. He also got 7 million more in guaranteed money I believe. Bears were desperate enough to give up the picks plus pay the IMO inflated contract. I think they will regret it in the long run. Time will tell. That's always what it was going to be. The only difference between the two contracts was which of the two players would sign first. The second was always going to be a touch higher. That's what happens when two of the best defensive players are eligible for extensions at the same time. Mack IMO is NOT on Donald's level.

Ian Joseph -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 1:23:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Like to what? $200 million lol? Mack got 23.5 AAV a million more than Donald. I personally don't consider him to be on Donald's level. He also got 7 million more in guaranteed money I believe. Bears were desperate enough to give up the picks plus pay the IMO inflated contract. I think they will regret it in the long run. Time will tell. That's always what it was going to be. The only difference between the two contracts was which of the two players would sign first. The second was always going to be a touch higher. That's what happens when two of the best defensive players are eligible for extensions at the same time. Mack IMO is NOT on Donald's level. A ton of people disagree with you.

Mark Anderson -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 9:03:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Like to what? $200 million lol? Mack got 23.5 AAV a million more than Donald. I personally don't consider him to be on Donald's level. He also got 7 million more in guaranteed money I believe. Bears were desperate enough to give up the picks plus pay the IMO inflated contract. I think they will regret it in the long run. Time will tell. That's always what it was going to be. The only difference between the two contracts was which of the two players would sign first. The second was always going to be a touch higher. That's what happens when two of the best defensive players are eligible for extensions at the same time. Mack IMO is NOT on Donald's level. A ton of people disagree with you. He's a nice fit for Bears' 3-4. Him and Floyd will give us fits this year.

kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 9:35:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Like to what? $200 million lol? Mack got 23.5 AAV a million more than Donald. I personally don't consider him to be on Donald's level. He also got 7 million more in guaranteed money I believe. Bears were desperate enough to give up the picks plus pay the IMO inflated contract. I think they will regret it in the long run. Time will tell. That's always what it was going to be. The only difference between the two contracts was which of the two players would sign first. The second was always going to be a touch higher. That's what happens when two of the best defensive players are eligible for extensions at the same time. Mack IMO is NOT on Donald's level. A ton of people disagree with you. I'm sure there are many tons of people who disagree with me. A ton is nothing. It would only take ten 200 pound people disagreeing with me to be a ton. The reason I think Donald is an easily better player than Mack is he does his disrupting and sacking from the DT position where it is much harder to get the sack production. Donald's impact is IMO much more significant than Mack's.

kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 9:38:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Like to what? $200 million lol? Mack got 23.5 AAV a million more than Donald. I personally don't consider him to be on Donald's level. He also got 7 million more in guaranteed money I believe. Bears were desperate enough to give up the picks plus pay the IMO inflated contract. I think they will regret it in the long run. Time will tell. That's always what it was going to be. The only difference between the two contracts was which of the two players would sign first. The second was always going to be a touch higher. That's what happens when two of the best defensive players are eligible for extensions at the same time. Mack IMO is NOT on Donald's level. A ton of people disagree with you. He's a nice fit for Bears' 3-4. Him and Floyd will give us fits this year. In the short term there is no question that Mack joining the Bears is bad news for the Vikings, Packers, and Lions. Hey maybe we should call them the Bad News Bears.

Todd M -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 9:48:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Like to what? $200 million lol? Mack got 23.5 AAV a million more than Donald. I personally don't consider him to be on Donald's level. He also got 7 million more in guaranteed money I believe. Bears were desperate enough to give up the picks plus pay the IMO inflated contract. I think they will regret it in the long run. Time will tell. That's always what it was going to be. The only difference between the two contracts was which of the two players would sign first. The second was always going to be a touch higher. That's what happens when two of the best defensive players are eligible for extensions at the same time. Mack IMO is NOT on Donald's level. A ton of people disagree with you. I'm sure there are many tons of people who disagree with me. A ton is nothing. It would only take ten 200 pound people disagreeing with me to be a ton. The reason I think Donald is an easily better player than Mack is he does his disrupting and sacking from the DT position where it is much harder to get the sack production. Donald's impact is IMO much more significant than Mack's. That's an awesome line. Made me smile.

kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 10:20:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Like to what? $200 million lol? Mack got 23.5 AAV a million more than Donald. I personally don't consider him to be on Donald's level. He also got 7 million more in guaranteed money I believe. Bears were desperate enough to give up the picks plus pay the IMO inflated contract. I think they will regret it in the long run. Time will tell. That's always what it was going to be. The only difference between the two contracts was which of the two players would sign first. The second was always going to be a touch higher. That's what happens when two of the best defensive players are eligible for extensions at the same time. Mack IMO is NOT on Donald's level. A ton of people disagree with you. I'm sure there are many tons of people who disagree with me. A ton is nothing. It would only take ten 200 pound people disagreeing with me to be a ton. The reason I think Donald is an easily better player than Mack is he does his disrupting and sacking from the DT position where it is much harder to get the sack production. Donald's impact is IMO much more significant than Mack's. That's an awesome line. Made me smile. Thanks. Hopefully Ian takes it in good humor. Ian is right. There are certainly many who think Mack is as good as Donald. I think if you took a poll 60% would favor Donald and 40% Mack. That is just me guessing.

Ian Joseph -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 10:39:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph Like to what? $200 million lol? Mack got 23.5 AAV a million more than Donald. I personally don't consider him to be on Donald's level. He also got 7 million more in guaranteed money I believe. Bears were desperate enough to give up the picks plus pay the IMO inflated contract. I think they will regret it in the long run. Time will tell. That's always what it was going to be. The only difference between the two contracts was which of the two players would sign first. The second was always going to be a touch higher. That's what happens when two of the best defensive players are eligible for extensions at the same time. Mack IMO is NOT on Donald's level. A ton of people disagree with you. I'm sure there are many tons of people who disagree with me. A ton is nothing. It would only take ten 200 pound people disagreeing with me to be a ton. The reason I think Donald is an easily better player than Mack is he does his disrupting and sacking from the DT position where it is much harder to get the sack production. Donald's impact is IMO much more significant than Mack's. That's an awesome line. Made me smile. Thanks. Hopefully Ian takes it in good humor. Ian is right. There are certainly many who think Mack is as good as Donald. I think if you took a poll 60% would favor Donald and 40% Mack. That is just me guessing. It didnt move the needle, but not because it wasnt good humor. Rather, I'm done with this particular conversation. I, much like many, many others, believe that Khalil Mack is on par with Aaron Donald. You disagree. The end, at least for me.

kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 11:33:59 AM)
As of now Cordarrelle Patterson is a top three WR for Tom Brady. The Patriots kept just three wide receivers on their initial 53-man roster. That number stretches to four if you include Matthew Slater, though he's mainly a special teamer. With Julian Edelman suspended for the first four games, New England will open the year with just Chris Hogan, Phillip Dorsett and Cordarrelle Patterson at wide receiver. Tom Brady still has plenty of weapons to throw to—Rob Gronkowski led the team in receiving yards last year while running backs James White and Rex Burkhead are both capable pass-catchers. But it's still possible, if not likely, that New England will address its receiver need either through free agency or via waivers. ESPN's Mike Reiss suggested the Patriots could go after former third-round pick Leonte Carroo, who was let go by Miami on Saturday. Bill Belichick's affinity for Rutgers alums is well-documented. Sep 2 - 11:24 AM

Ian Joseph -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 12:05:32 PM)
They claimed two WRs, neither of which I recognize.

kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 12:17:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph They claimed two WRs, neither of which I recognize. yep. I don't think either of those claims is a threat to Patterson.

kgdabom -> RE: Other NFL News (9/2/2018 12:34:40 PM)
This one surprises me a little. Giants waived QB Davis Webb. New York tried to move Webb during cut-down day, but the Raiders decided to go with A.J. McCarron instead. That says a lot about Webb's standing in the league. Even so, his third round pedigree could get him some looks on waivers. New York is moving forward with fourth-round rookie Kyle Lauletta and Alex Tanney behind declining starter Eli Manning. Source: Jordan Raanan on Twitter Sep 2 - 1:27 PM

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