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ORIGINAL: David F.

He has to make the next step on his own. Where he's at right now - he doesn't care about an NFL career, his family, even his own death. He's at the point in his addiction where his next fix/high/drunk is all that's important to him. Willpower can't save him. Addiction is more powerful than the human will - and that's a biological fact. His addiction will reject any offers of help and will scoff at compassion. He still thinks that he is in control right now. He'll have to blow through all his money, run out of drugs, and do something terrible to get more money. Maybe then he will see that not only is he not in charge - he is completely powerless. I hope he doesn't die before that happens or during. I hope he doesn't kill himself.

I'm rooting for him. He will be the biggest asset to the recovery community of all time. We need him to make it.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

He has to make the next step on his own. Where he's at right now - he doesn't care about an NFL career, his family, even his own death. He's at the point in his addiction where his next fix/high/drunk is all that's important to him. Willpower can't save him. Addiction is more powerful than the human will - and that's a biological fact. His addiction will reject any offers of help and will scoff at compassion. He still thinks that he is in control right now. He'll have to blow through all his money, run out of drugs, and do something terrible to get more money. Maybe then he will see that not only is he not in charge - he is completely powerless. I hope he doesn't die before that happens or during. I hope he doesn't kill himself.

I'm rooting for him. He will be the biggest asset to the recovery community of all time. We need him to make it.

That's a little dramatic.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

He has to make the next step on his own. Where he's at right now - he doesn't care about an NFL career, his family, even his own death. He's at the point in his addiction where his next fix/high/drunk is all that's important to him. Willpower can't save him. Addiction is more powerful than the human will - and that's a biological fact. His addiction will reject any offers of help and will scoff at compassion. He still thinks that he is in control right now. He'll have to blow through all his money, run out of drugs, and do something terrible to get more money. Maybe then he will see that not only is he not in charge - he is completely powerless. I hope he doesn't die before that happens or during. I hope he doesn't kill himself.

I'm rooting for him. He will be the biggest asset to the recovery community of all time. We need him to make it.

That's a little dramatic.

I believe in it. A big part of recovery, after you've admitted you are powerless and surrendered, is dealing with shame, guilt, regret, and resentments. Manziel - if he can get there - would be a valuable resource to help others deal with these things. He would also be wonderful on the front end - talking to people before they have succumbed to addiction. Remember the name Len Bias?

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

He has to make the next step on his own. Where he's at right now - he doesn't care about an NFL career, his family, even his own death. He's at the point in his addiction where his next fix/high/drunk is all that's important to him. Willpower can't save him. Addiction is more powerful than the human will - and that's a biological fact. His addiction will reject any offers of help and will scoff at compassion. He still thinks that he is in control right now. He'll have to blow through all his money, run out of drugs, and do something terrible to get more money. Maybe then he will see that not only is he not in charge - he is completely powerless. I hope he doesn't die before that happens or during. I hope he doesn't kill himself.

I'm rooting for him. He will be the biggest asset to the recovery community of all time. We need him to make it.

That's a little dramatic.

I believe in it. A big part of recovery, after you've admitted you are powerless and surrendered, is dealing with shame, guilt, regret, and resentments. Manziel - if he can get there - would be a valuable resource to help others deal with these things. He would also be wonderful on the front end - talking to people before they have succumbed to addiction. Remember the name Len Bias?

I remember Len Bias well. He wasn't an addict at all. I was a student at a Maryland State university at the time, and a hugs fan of the Celtics. He was celebrating being drafted #2 overall by the Celtics, no doubt had instant hangers ons that were more than happy to lay out freebie lines in anticipation of some sort of payback, Bias simply didn't know what he was doing, and OD'd

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

He has to make the next step on his own. Where he's at right now - he doesn't care about an NFL career, his family, even his own death. He's at the point in his addiction where his next fix/high/drunk is all that's important to him. Willpower can't save him. Addiction is more powerful than the human will - and that's a biological fact. His addiction will reject any offers of help and will scoff at compassion. He still thinks that he is in control right now. He'll have to blow through all his money, run out of drugs, and do something terrible to get more money. Maybe then he will see that not only is he not in charge - he is completely powerless. I hope he doesn't die before that happens or during. I hope he doesn't kill himself.

I'm rooting for him. He will be the biggest asset to the recovery community of all time. We need him to make it.

That's a little dramatic.

I believe in it. A big part of recovery, after you've admitted you are powerless and surrendered, is dealing with shame, guilt, regret, and resentments. Manziel - if he can get there - would be a valuable resource to help others deal with these things. He would also be wonderful on the front end - talking to people before they have succumbed to addiction. Remember the name Len Bias?

I remember Len Bias well. He wasn't an addict at all. I was a student at a Maryland State university at the time, and a hugs fan of the Celtics. He was celebrating being drafted #2 overall by the Celtics, no doubt had instant hangers ons that were more than happy to lay out freebie lines in anticipation of some sort of payback, Bias simply didn't know what he was doing, and OD'd

I knew when I typed the post that I wasn't getting my point across. I didn't mean to say Bias was an addict - I meant to say that his passing instantly taught millions of people that you can OD and die from drug use. The comparison I was trying to draw was that a person of fame will have a bigger impact because of their fame. My point with Bias was that even though thousands(?) of people died from overdose that year the only name we remember is Len Bias.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

He has to make the next step on his own. Where he's at right now - he doesn't care about an NFL career, his family, even his own death. He's at the point in his addiction where his next fix/high/drunk is all that's important to him. Willpower can't save him. Addiction is more powerful than the human will - and that's a biological fact. His addiction will reject any offers of help and will scoff at compassion. He still thinks that he is in control right now. He'll have to blow through all his money, run out of drugs, and do something terrible to get more money. Maybe then he will see that not only is he not in charge - he is completely powerless. I hope he doesn't die before that happens or during. I hope he doesn't kill himself.

I'm rooting for him. He will be the biggest asset to the recovery community of all time. We need him to make it.

That's a little dramatic.

I believe in it. A big part of recovery, after you've admitted you are powerless and surrendered, is dealing with shame, guilt, regret, and resentments. Manziel - if he can get there - would be a valuable resource to help others deal with these things. He would also be wonderful on the front end - talking to people before they have succumbed to addiction. Remember the name Len Bias?

I remember Len Bias well. He wasn't an addict at all. I was a student at a Maryland State university at the time, and a hugs fan of the Celtics. He was celebrating being drafted #2 overall by the Celtics, no doubt had instant hangers ons that were more than happy to lay out freebie lines in anticipation of some sort of payback, Bias simply didn't know what he was doing, and OD'd

I knew when I typed the post that I wasn't getting my point across. I didn't mean to say Bias was an addict - I meant to say that his passing instantly taught millions of people that you can OD and die from drug use. The comparison I was trying to draw was that a person of fame will have a bigger impact because of their fame. My point with Bias was that even though thousands(?) of people died from overdose that year the only name we remember is Len Bias.

Not sure everybody remembers Len Bias, probably 95% don't, I was in a particular position of dual trauma (U of MD student/Celtics fan) that his death is stuck in my memory. But point taken. Still a little dramatic though. [8D]

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

He has to make the next step on his own. Where he's at right now - he doesn't care about an NFL career, his family, even his own death. He's at the point in his addiction where his next fix/high/drunk is all that's important to him. Willpower can't save him. Addiction is more powerful than the human will - and that's a biological fact. His addiction will reject any offers of help and will scoff at compassion. He still thinks that he is in control right now. He'll have to blow through all his money, run out of drugs, and do something terrible to get more money. Maybe then he will see that not only is he not in charge - he is completely powerless. I hope he doesn't die before that happens or during. I hope he doesn't kill himself.

I'm rooting for him. He will be the biggest asset to the recovery community of all time. We need him to make it.

That's a little dramatic.

I believe in it. A big part of recovery, after you've admitted you are powerless and surrendered, is dealing with shame, guilt, regret, and resentments. Manziel - if he can get there - would be a valuable resource to help others deal with these things. He would also be wonderful on the front end - talking to people before they have succumbed to addiction. Remember the name Len Bias?

I remember Len Bias well. He wasn't an addict at all. I was a student at a Maryland State university at the time, and a hugs fan of the Celtics. He was celebrating being drafted #2 overall by the Celtics, no doubt had instant hangers ons that were more than happy to lay out freebie lines in anticipation of some sort of payback, Bias simply didn't know what he was doing, and OD'd

I knew when I typed the post that I wasn't getting my point across. I didn't mean to say Bias was an addict - I meant to say that his passing instantly taught millions of people that you can OD and die from drug use. The comparison I was trying to draw was that a person of fame will have a bigger impact because of their fame. My point with Bias was that even though thousands(?) of people died from overdose that year the only name we remember is Len Bias.

Not sure everybody remembers Len Bias, probably 95% don't, I was in a particular position of dual trauma (U of MD student/Celtics fan) that his death is stuck in my memory. But point taken. Still a little dramatic though. [8D]

https://youtu.be/TytQFvcyFfE

With my apologies to the rarest of players (The Jordan's, and the Westbrook's) I've never seen someone with as much God given athletic talent as Len Bias.

A real shame. I was in college at the same time, and Bias' death made most of us rethink some things.

Don't see the correlation to the idiot that Manziel is.

Geez dude, you've been given like 20 chances (That we know of) pull it together brother.

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

He has to make the next step on his own. Where he's at right now - he doesn't care about an NFL career, his family, even his own death. He's at the point in his addiction where his next fix/high/drunk is all that's important to him. Willpower can't save him. Addiction is more powerful than the human will - and that's a biological fact. His addiction will reject any offers of help and will scoff at compassion. He still thinks that he is in control right now. He'll have to blow through all his money, run out of drugs, and do something terrible to get more money. Maybe then he will see that not only is he not in charge - he is completely powerless. I hope he doesn't die before that happens or during. I hope he doesn't kill himself.

I'm rooting for him. He will be the biggest asset to the recovery community of all time. We need him to make it.

That's a little dramatic.

I believe in it. A big part of recovery, after you've admitted you are powerless and surrendered, is dealing with shame, guilt, regret, and resentments. Manziel - if he can get there - would be a valuable resource to help others deal with these things. He would also be wonderful on the front end - talking to people before they have succumbed to addiction. Remember the name Len Bias?

I remember Len Bias well. He wasn't an addict at all. I was a student at a Maryland State university at the time, and a hugs fan of the Celtics. He was celebrating being drafted #2 overall by the Celtics, no doubt had instant hangers ons that were more than happy to lay out freebie lines in anticipation of some sort of payback, Bias simply didn't know what he was doing, and OD'd

I knew when I typed the post that I wasn't getting my point across. I didn't mean to say Bias was an addict - I meant to say that his passing instantly taught millions of people that you can OD and die from drug use. The comparison I was trying to draw was that a person of fame will have a bigger impact because of their fame. My point with Bias was that even though thousands(?) of people died from overdose that year the only name we remember is Len Bias.

Not sure everybody remembers Len Bias, probably 95% don't, I was in a particular position of dual trauma (U of MD student/Celtics fan) that his death is stuck in my memory. But point taken. Still a little dramatic though. [8D]

https://youtu.be/TytQFvcyFfE

With my apologies to the rarest of players (The Jordan's, and the Westbrook's) I've never seen someone with as much God given athletic talent as Len Bias.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

So how much money did Manziel walk away with, does anyone know? It must have been a big signing bonus guaranteed and a portion of the first contract at least guaranteed. I would think he got at least a couple million, probably more.

That would be more than enough for a reasonable person with sound financial planning to establish a nest egg, and maybe not be completely retired for life, but a great boost to live very comfortably for life, giving you the flexibility and freedom to explore any venture or profession you want.

I bet he blows through it in 3-4 years.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I found it!

http://brobible.com/sports/article/how-long-take-unemployed-johnny-manziel-broke/

“When I go through that calculation, if we assume that his wealth is $10.608 million, that he’s spending $1.733 million a year, that his after-tax rate of return is 4.76% and that he will continue his spending pattern until he reaches zero dollars, the result is approximately 7.4, or seven years and approximately five months.”

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I found it!

http://brobible.com/sports/article/how-long-take-unemployed-johnny-manziel-broke/

“When I go through that calculation, if we assume that his wealth is $10.608 million, that he’s spending $1.733 million a year, that his after-tax rate of return is 4.76% and that he will continue his spending pattern until he reaches zero dollars, the result is approximately 7.4, or seven years and approximately five months.”

I give him 5 years tops then. Then...if he's still alive we'll hear news of him being arrested on some shady scams or drug deals as he gets more and more desperate to fund his lifestyle.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I found it!

http://brobible.com/sports/article/how-long-take-unemployed-johnny-manziel-broke/

“When I go through that calculation, if we assume that his wealth is $10.608 million, that he’s spending $1.733 million a year, that his after-tax rate of return is 4.76% and that he will continue his spending pattern until he reaches zero dollars, the result is approximately 7.4, or seven years and approximately five months.”

I give him 5 years tops then. Then...if he's still alive we'll hear news of him being arrested on some shady scams or drug deals as he gets more and more desperate to fund his lifestyle.

If it's just drugs it might last a while but I think he's into gambling also. It could be gone overnight

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Apparently he's partying in Cabo right now. A good friend of ours is in the house next door.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Apparently he's partying in Cabo right now. A good friend of ours is in the house next door.

have him send pics!!!

or sell them to TMZ

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Shocking...

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 10m10 minutes ago
And Johnny Manziel suspended first four games of season for violations of substances of abuse.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I didn't know Manziel was even on an NFL roster

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I didn't know Manziel was even on an NFL roster

He's not.