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Todd M -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 6:46:32 AM)

If you can't say it was 'just one mistake' in a court setting when it was your daughter that had her face rearranged then your endorsement rings hollow.



Ricky J -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 7:41:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

If you can't say it was 'just one mistake' in a court setting when it was your daughter that had her face rearranged then your endorsement rings hollow.


Never had a sister or daughter. I wonder how that changes things ....

Would you want him on our team?

Here's a good debate: who's more of a scumbag, AP or Mixon (rules state one has to be more of a scumbag than the other)?



Todd M -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 7:58:06 AM)

AD might be more messed up. There's a culture to it I don't understand or agree with it and things passed on from one generation to the next involved with AD. There's a volatility to Mixon's deal that makes it stand out as worse to me. I'd have a hard time ever trusting someone that can pop like that.



Phil Riewer -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 8:01:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

AD might be more messed up. There's a culture to it I don't understand or agree with it and things passed on from one generation to the next involved with AD. There's a volatility to Mixon's deal that makes it stand out as worse to me. I'd have a hard time ever trusting someone that can pop like that.


My question is why wasn't he allowed at the combine when it happened a few years ago? Don't underestimate the other RB (Perrine) either.



Bill Jandro -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 8:12:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

AD might be more messed up. There's a culture to it I don't understand or agree with it and things passed on from one generation to the next involved with AD. There's a volatility to Mixon's deal that makes it stand out as worse to me. I'd have a hard time ever trusting someone that can pop like that.


My question is why wasn't he allowed at the combine when it happened a few years ago? Don't underestimate the other RB (Perrine) either.


Politics. The NFL doesn't want him in their league and thus did not invite Mixon or Kelly for that matter to the combine. But they can not stop teams from drafting these players.



kurt bilben -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 9:37:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

AD might be more messed up. There's a culture to it I don't understand or agree with it and things passed on from one generation to the next involved with AD. There's a volatility to Mixon's deal that makes it stand out as worse to me. I'd have a hard time ever trusting someone that can pop like that.


My question is why wasn't he allowed at the combine when it happened a few years ago? Don't underestimate the other RB (Perrine) either.



I like that kid as well (Perine)



Dave Odle -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 1:06:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

If you can't say it was 'just one mistake' in a court setting when it was your daughter that had her face rearranged then your endorsement rings hollow.


I have two daughters and if one of them had been stupid enought to hit an athlete in the throat like that during a drunken fit, I'd say she probably won't make that mistake again.

Sorry, it is what it is. The girl bears just as much responsibility in this case. I refuse to act like she was some innocent bystander. She was the one who made the entire situation physical. It didn't have to go down like that.



Ricky J -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 1:28:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

If you can't say it was 'just one mistake' in a court setting when it was your daughter that had her face rearranged then your endorsement rings hollow.


I have two daughters and if one of them had been stupid enought to hit an athlete in the throat like that during a drunken fit, I'd say she probably won't make that mistake again.

Sorry, it is what it is. The girl bears just as much responsibility in this case. I refuse to act like she was some innocent bystander. She was the one who made the entire situation physical. It didn't have to go down like that.

I don't have a daughter but I'm having a hard time finding any fault in what you said.



Dave Odle -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 1:34:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

If you can't say it was 'just one mistake' in a court setting when it was your daughter that had her face rearranged then your endorsement rings hollow.


I have two daughters and if one of them had been stupid enought to hit an athlete in the throat like that during a drunken fit, I'd say she probably won't make that mistake again.

Sorry, it is what it is. The girl bears just as much responsibility in this case. I refuse to act like she was some innocent bystander. She was the one who made the entire situation physical. It didn't have to go down like that.

I don't have a daughter but I'm having a hard time finding any fault in what you said.


Hey, everybody should just keep their damn hands off of each other. It solves all problems.



Phil Riewer -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 2:19:31 PM)

Perrine:

2014 263 att 1713 Yards 21TDs
2015 226 att 1349 yards 16TDs
2016 196 att 1060 yards 12TDs

Granted he doesn't catch like Mixon but those are pretty good stats.



ratoppenheimer -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 4:46:10 PM)

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Eric Edholm‏Verified account @Eric_Edholm
Word of Achilles injury to first-round CB Sidney Jones at Huskies pro day. Just brutal.

Sheil Kapadia‏Verified account
Washington's Budda Baker said the injury to Sidney Jones occurred on the last defensive back drill of the day.



joejitsu -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 5:22:06 PM)

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Eric Edholm‏Verified account @Eric_Edholm
Word of Achilles injury to first-round CB Sidney Jones at Huskies pro day. Just brutal.

Sheil Kapadia‏Verified account
Washington's Budda Baker said the injury to Sidney Jones occurred on the last defensive back drill of the day.


Awful.



Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 5:34:12 PM)

We could forget the glitter RB and pick for the trenches. However, the money they committed to Reiff and Remmers means they will be around a while.

So with OL vs. RB, it seems to be (in no order):

- OT to groom (say to start in 2-3 years)
- G or C with more immediate expectations (C to start once Berger gets to 1/4 tank)
- RB



shakeywalton -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 7:05:05 PM)

After watching highlights of RB Mixon, he is my #1 choice at #48. Sadly, he isn't getting out of the 1st round.



Bill Jandro -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 7:14:53 PM)

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We could forget the glitter RB and pick for the trenches. However, the money they committed to Reiff and Remmers means they will be around a while.

So with OL vs. RB, it seems to be (in no order):

- OT to groom (say to start in 2-3 years)
- G or C with more immediate expectations (C to start once Berger gets to 1/4 tank)
- RB


As bad as we are at picking Olineman maybe we should build are oline with FA's and fill are other needs through the draft.

Mixon could really help our offense right out of the gate.



Todd M -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 7:31:22 PM)

Sounds like if we had our 1st round pick we'd probably be in play for Mixon. With Spielman reading the draft to see if he could move down and still get him.

Hope this one gets played around us. Watch what this becomes on another team. I'm sure it will be revisited.

The other thing I hope doesn't play out is an attempt to get in the 1st round for a T. Just so not the year to do it.

Other than those two things I'll just let it play out and see what we get.



kevinemmer -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 8:10:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Perrine:

2014 263 att 1713 Yards 21TDs (6.5 yds/ carry)
2015 226 att 1349 yards 16TDs (5.97 yds/ carry)
2016 196 att 1060 yards 12TDs (5.41 yds/carry)

Granted he doesn't catch like Mixon but those are pretty good stats.


I like him too.
The knock is that he is already wearing down (see above).

685 carries in 3 years.

Might last to the 4th though.



Bill Jandro -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 8:16:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Perrine:

2014 263 att 1713 Yards 21TDs (6.5 yds/ carry)
2015 226 att 1349 yards 16TDs (5.97 yds/ carry)
2016 196 att 1060 yards 12TDs (5.41 yds/carry)

Granted he doesn't catch like Mixon but those are pretty good stats.


I like him too.
The knock is that he is already wearing down (see above).

685 carries in 3 years.

Might last to the 4th though.


Ron Dayne II



David Levine -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 8:19:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Perrine:

2014 263 att 1713 Yards 21TDs (6.5 yds/ carry)
2015 226 att 1349 yards 16TDs (5.97 yds/ carry)
2016 196 att 1060 yards 12TDs (5.41 yds/carry)

Granted he doesn't catch like Mixon but those are pretty good stats.


I like him too.
The knock is that he is already wearing down (see above).

685 carries in 3 years.

Might last to the 4th though.


40 reception in 36 games is concerning as well.



kevinemmer -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 8:50:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Perrine:

2014 263 att 1713 Yards 21TDs (6.5 yds/ carry)
2015 226 att 1349 yards 16TDs (5.97 yds/ carry)
2016 196 att 1060 yards 12TDs (5.41 yds/carry)

Granted he doesn't catch like Mixon but those are pretty good stats.


I like him too.
The knock is that he is already wearing down (see above).

685 carries in 3 years.

Might last to the 4th though.


40 reception in 36 games is concerning as well.


Yep, although his (Perine's) hands looked fair to decent at combine; no double clutching that I saw.

Do you think the Wilfs can get past Mixon's history after AD's "issue"?

Seems like his tape gets someone to bite by the end of 1st...but the draft is crazy to try and predict, esp someone like Mixon.



Bill Jandro -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/11/2017 8:51:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Perrine:

2014 263 att 1713 Yards 21TDs (6.5 yds/ carry)
2015 226 att 1349 yards 16TDs (5.97 yds/ carry)
2016 196 att 1060 yards 12TDs (5.41 yds/carry)

Granted he doesn't catch like Mixon but those are pretty good stats.


I like him too.
The knock is that he is already wearing down (see above).

685 carries in 3 years.

Might last to the 4th though.


40 reception in 36 games is concerning as well.


Despite who drafts Perine he is more likely to be a part of a RB by committee.

Certainly not a bell cow.

If he is there in the 5th I'd consider him provided we've already secured a #1 type.



Brad H -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/12/2017 10:10:24 AM)

If a guy like Forrest Lamp is there at #48, you take him. I think he'll be gone but you never know. Dion Dawkins, Pat Elflein or Dan Feeney would be my next choice. Offensive line is a must with our opening pick. Anything else is nuts given what I saw last year.

Opening third should be a corner or lineman. Rasul Douglas or Tre'Davious White type of guy (corners). That, or a guy like Nico Siragusa (OG). The OT from Pitt (Bisnoawty) could also be there in the late third pick.

Can you imagine how much better our line would be with the two free agents we landed and Elflein and Siragusa?



kurt bilben -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/12/2017 10:16:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Perrine:

2014 263 att 1713 Yards 21TDs (6.5 yds/ carry)
2015 226 att 1349 yards 16TDs (5.97 yds/ carry)
2016 196 att 1060 yards 12TDs (5.41 yds/carry)

Granted he doesn't catch like Mixon but those are pretty good stats.


I like him too.
The knock is that he is already wearing down (see above).

685 carries in 3 years.

Might last to the 4th though.


40 reception in 36 games is concerning as well.


Despite who drafts Perine he is more likely to be a part of a RB by committee.

Certainly not a bell cow.

If he is there in the 5th I'd consider him provided we've already secured a #1 type.



I like Perine, but I'd wait till our second 4th rounder to draft him if indeed he's still there.

The tape doesn't lie, Mixon jumps off the tape with his combination of speed/ elusiveness, and his unbelievable receiving skills.

Perine pretty much runs over the tape. He's a banger with a little get up, and go, but saw very little in the way of receiving skills.



kurt bilben -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/12/2017 10:18:59 AM)

Mixon would be our version of Ezekial Elliott. Which doesn't mean he'll necessarily be as successful with our OLine.



Bruce Johnson -> RE: 2017 NFL Draft (3/12/2017 2:46:52 PM)

I think there are a lot of running backs who could have been successful running behind that Cowboys offensive line.



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