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jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/16/2019 1:16:48 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Todd M
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ORIGINAL: jbusse
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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Without that 12th man penalty that INT doesn't happen. ~50 FG (or less with a run play that gets anything) and we were off to the SB that year...we would have overcome all that BS dirty play, all the missed calls, all the TO's. THAT ONE ****ING PENALTY will be my most hated Vikings screw up.
Especially since 12th man penalties on the offense almost never happen.
For me it's Robert Smith going out of bounds three times during that one important drive against the Falcons. What makes it all the more maddening is that Smith is intelligent and should have known better.
I've argued this one before and while I've moved from 100% clearing him of any wrong doing...a little, people have ignored the account of that drive...his going OOB's, at least a couple of them, were natural runs...gaining first downs that didn't *hurt in any way that should have cost us...not like the damn missed FG anyway. There were not dumb runs that should infuriate the way they do.
*like forcing his way from going OOB's and fumbling would have anyway
It's a semi-regular debate, and I consider it progress that you've moved in this direction.
There is some subjectivity in how much fault one attributes to Smith. My opinion is that he could have made a more concerted effort to stay in bounds given the enormity of the situation and considering that running out the clock or running down the clock would have been as/more valuable than a score.
Thanks to youtube, you can use your own judgement.
The benchmark for amount of clock time burned on an inbounds run:
At 5:14, Leroy Hoard is tackled inbounds, and the ball is snapped on the next play at 4:39 ==> 0:35 of clock usage.
Smith's three runs out of bounds:
1. At 5:59, Smith runs out of bounds on 1st and 10 after a 9-yard gain, making a token effort to stay inbounds. Clock is wound after the ball is set for the next play. 0:15 off the clock instead of 0:35 ==> foregone 0:20.
2. At 5:37, Smith runs out of bounds on 2nd and 1 after a 16-yard run, making no effort to stay inbounds. Clock is wound after the ball is set for the next play. 0:20 off the clock instead of 0:35 ==> foregone 0:15.
3. At 4:32, Smith runs out of bounds on 2nd and 5 after an 8-yard run. He could have easily gone down inbounds with the first down. Clock stops at 4:32, and it does not start until the next snap ==> foregone 0:35.
Total foregone time: 1:10
The amount of time left on the clock would have affected how the game was called thereafter. There is a greater possibility that the Vikings would have run on the 3rd and 6 at 2:18 if there were less time left, and the Falcons would have used their timeouts differently.
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