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kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2019 6:42:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty So let Rudy go and sign Jordan Reed, when the time comes ? You're kidding Jordan Reed will miss about 15 games per season.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2019 7:11:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Morgan is in to block and he's good at that. How many plays is he even in the game? According to this article, the Vikings rushed nearly twice as much when Morgan played in the game. Football is still a team game and you can't just go by individual stats. Also, I do believe the team wants to be more committed to the running game this year to support Cousins better. https://www.vikings.com/news/2018-vikings-position-recap-tight-ends Yes Bruce, I understand that Morgan has always been a primary blocking TE and he is very good at it. However, 12 personnel requires both TEs to be receiving threats. Morgan has demonstrated no ability at this. Blocking notwithstanding, it's interesting that Morgan is the only player on field slower than Rudolph ... yet some posters want to get rid of Rudolph (because he's slow) and want Morgan to be more involved in the passing game. OK. I don't think it's a certainty that Morgan is slower than Rudolph. Rudy's last measured time in the 40 was from 2011. Morgan was quicker in the cone drills as well for whatever that counts for. At any rate no one is advocating for Morgan to replace Rudolph. Speaking just for myself I'd say that I'd like to see Smith/Conklin replace Rudolph as they are both faster than him and might actually break a tackle once in a while. I'd also like to see Morgan targeted once or twice per game to keep defenses honest. I didn't say there was. I agree that if Rudolph is traded or jettisoned, his replacement will have to come from a combination of payers ... and not just from the TE group (unless Smith has a monster rookie year / or we add someone else along the way).

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2019 7:46:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Morgan is in to block and he's good at that. How many plays is he even in the game? According to this article, the Vikings rushed nearly twice as much when Morgan played in the game. Football is still a team game and you can't just go by individual stats. Also, I do believe the team wants to be more committed to the running game this year to support Cousins better. https://www.vikings.com/news/2018-vikings-position-recap-tight-ends Yes Bruce, I understand that Morgan has always been a primary blocking TE and he is very good at it. However, 12 personnel requires both TEs to be receiving threats. Morgan has demonstrated no ability at this. Blocking notwithstanding, it's interesting that Morgan is the only player on field slower than Rudolph ... yet some posters want to get rid of Rudolph (because he's slow) and want Morgan to be more involved in the passing game. OK. I don't think it's a certainty that Morgan is slower than Rudolph. Rudy's last measured time in the 40 was from 2011. Morgan was quicker in the cone drills as well for whatever that counts for. At any rate no one is advocating for Morgan to replace Rudolph. Speaking just for myself I'd say that I'd like to see Smith/Conklin replace Rudolph as they are both faster than him and might actually break a tackle once in a while. I'd also like to see Morgan targeted once or twice per game to keep defenses honest. I think it counts for a lot. If you have 2 guys that aren't fast, I'll take the one with some more "wiggle" to his game. If we throw a 5 yard pass to either guy on 3rd and 7, I think Morgan has a better chance of getting the extra 2 yards. RE: Morgan's 2-yard wiggle Just to clarify ... are you saying that you prefer Morgan and his 2-yard wiggle over Rudolph and his non-wiggle? It sounds logical but even if you are just comparing that specific quality or trait of wiggling ... it doesn't change the fact there is no comparison between the two payers – in their contribution to the passing game. OK, Morgan is vastly more important as a blocker ... and I will concede, after looking at Morgan's combine numbers – although he ran a pitifully slow 5.02 40, his quickness and strength numbers were much better than Rudolph's (and Smith's as well). So yes, like everybody else, I hope that Morgan can be more than just a blocker.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2019 7:56:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Morgan is in to block and he's good at that. How many plays is he even in the game? According to this article, the Vikings rushed nearly twice as much when Morgan played in the game. Football is still a team game and you can't just go by individual stats. Also, I do believe the team wants to be more committed to the running game this year to support Cousins better. https://www.vikings.com/news/2018-vikings-position-recap-tight-ends Yes Bruce, I understand that Morgan has always been a primary blocking TE and he is very good at it. However, 12 personnel requires both TEs to be receiving threats. Morgan has demonstrated no ability at this. Blocking notwithstanding, it's interesting that Morgan is the only player on field slower than Rudolph ... yet some posters want to get rid of Rudolph (because he's slow) and want Morgan to be more involved in the passing game. OK. I don't think it's a certainty that Morgan is slower than Rudolph. Rudy's last measured time in the 40 was from 2011. Morgan was quicker in the cone drills as well for whatever that counts for. At any rate no one is advocating for Morgan to replace Rudolph. Speaking just for myself I'd say that I'd like to see Smith/Conklin replace Rudolph as they are both faster than him and might actually break a tackle once in a while. I'd also like to see Morgan targeted once or twice per game to keep defenses honest. I think it counts for a lot. If you have 2 guys that aren't fast, I'll take the one with some more "wiggle" to his game. If we throw a 5 yard pass to either guy on 3rd and 7, I think Morgan has a better chance of getting the extra 2 yards. RE: Morgan's 2-yard wiggle Just to clarify ... are you saying that you prefer Morgan and his 2-yard wiggle over Rudolph and his non-wiggle? It sounds logical but even if you are just comparing that specific quality or trait of wiggling ... it doesn't change the fact there is no comparison between the two payers – in their contribution to the passing game. OK, Morgan is vastly more important as a blocker ... and I will concede, after looking at Morgan's combine numbers – although he ran a pitifully slow 5.02 40, his quickness and strength numbers were much better than Rudolph's (and Smith's as well). So yes, like everybody else, I hope that Morgan can be more than just a blocker. I'm saying I prefer Smith being the primary target and Morgan being the distant 2nd target (and primary blocker) over Rudy being the primary target and Smith being the secondary target and not really having either guy be a standout blocker. And I totally get that Smith is completely unproven, but I'd rather throw him to the Wolves and see how our offense does and try to jumpstart us a bit into the 2010s...

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2019 8:17:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Morgan is in to block and he's good at that. How many plays is he even in the game? According to this article, the Vikings rushed nearly twice as much when Morgan played in the game. Football is still a team game and you can't just go by individual stats. Also, I do believe the team wants to be more committed to the running game this year to support Cousins better. https://www.vikings.com/news/2018-vikings-position-recap-tight-ends Yes Bruce, I understand that Morgan has always been a primary blocking TE and he is very good at it. However, 12 personnel requires both TEs to be receiving threats. Morgan has demonstrated no ability at this. Blocking notwithstanding, it's interesting that Morgan is the only player on field slower than Rudolph ... yet some posters want to get rid of Rudolph (because he's slow) and want Morgan to be more involved in the passing game. OK. I don't think it's a certainty that Morgan is slower than Rudolph. Rudy's last measured time in the 40 was from 2011. Morgan was quicker in the cone drills as well for whatever that counts for. At any rate no one is advocating for Morgan to replace Rudolph. Speaking just for myself I'd say that I'd like to see Smith/Conklin replace Rudolph as they are both faster than him and might actually break a tackle once in a while. I'd also like to see Morgan targeted once or twice per game to keep defenses honest. I think it counts for a lot. If you have 2 guys that aren't fast, I'll take the one with some more "wiggle" to his game. If we throw a 5 yard pass to either guy on 3rd and 7, I think Morgan has a better chance of getting the extra 2 yards. RE: Morgan's 2-yard wiggle Just to clarify ... are you saying that you prefer Morgan and his 2-yard wiggle over Rudolph and his non-wiggle? I would add a 1 yard forward lean to Morgan's portfolio.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2019 8:59:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Morgan is in to block and he's good at that. How many plays is he even in the game? According to this article, the Vikings rushed nearly twice as much when Morgan played in the game. Football is still a team game and you can't just go by individual stats. Also, I do believe the team wants to be more committed to the running game this year to support Cousins better. https://www.vikings.com/news/2018-vikings-position-recap-tight-ends Yes Bruce, I understand that Morgan has always been a primary blocking TE and he is very good at it. However, 12 personnel requires both TEs to be receiving threats. Morgan has demonstrated no ability at this. Blocking notwithstanding, it's interesting that Morgan is the only player on field slower than Rudolph ... yet some posters want to get rid of Rudolph (because he's slow) and want Morgan to be more involved in the passing game. OK. I don't think it's a certainty that Morgan is slower than Rudolph. Rudy's last measured time in the 40 was from 2011. Morgan was quicker in the cone drills as well for whatever that counts for. At any rate no one is advocating for Morgan to replace Rudolph. Speaking just for myself I'd say that I'd like to see Smith/Conklin replace Rudolph as they are both faster than him and might actually break a tackle once in a while. I'd also like to see Morgan targeted once or twice per game to keep defenses honest. I think it counts for a lot. If you have 2 guys that aren't fast, I'll take the one with some more "wiggle" to his game. If we throw a 5 yard pass to either guy on 3rd and 7, I think Morgan has a better chance of getting the extra 2 yards. RE: Morgan's 2-yard wiggle Just to clarify ... are you saying that you prefer Morgan and his 2-yard wiggle over Rudolph and his non-wiggle? It sounds logical but even if you are just comparing that specific quality or trait of wiggling ... it doesn't change the fact there is no comparison between the two payers – in their contribution to the passing game. OK, Morgan is vastly more important as a blocker ... and I will concede, after looking at Morgan's combine numbers – although he ran a pitifully slow 5.02 40, his quickness and strength numbers were much better than Rudolph's (and Smith's as well). So yes, like everybody else, I hope that Morgan can be more than just a blocker. I'm saying I prefer Smith being the primary target and Morgan being the distant 2nd target (and primary blocker) over Rudy being the primary target and Smith being the secondary target and not really having either guy be a standout blocker. And I totally get that Smith is completely unproven, but I'd rather throw him to the Wolves and see how our offense does and try to jumpstart us a bit into the 2010s... That's very fair and I admit I think that is where we are going to end up this year (without Rudolph). For my money ... that's an all or nothing offseason decision put on Smith (and the TE position) – no in-between, he beats the odds and makes a quick impact ... or he doesn't. I guess I'm more wishy washy ... I prefer to keep all options open until there is more certainty.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2019 9:01:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Morgan is in to block and he's good at that. How many plays is he even in the game? According to this article, the Vikings rushed nearly twice as much when Morgan played in the game. Football is still a team game and you can't just go by individual stats. Also, I do believe the team wants to be more committed to the running game this year to support Cousins better. https://www.vikings.com/news/2018-vikings-position-recap-tight-ends Yes Bruce, I understand that Morgan has always been a primary blocking TE and he is very good at it. However, 12 personnel requires both TEs to be receiving threats. Morgan has demonstrated no ability at this. Blocking notwithstanding, it's interesting that Morgan is the only player on field slower than Rudolph ... yet some posters want to get rid of Rudolph (because he's slow) and want Morgan to be more involved in the passing game. OK. I don't think it's a certainty that Morgan is slower than Rudolph. Rudy's last measured time in the 40 was from 2011. Morgan was quicker in the cone drills as well for whatever that counts for. At any rate no one is advocating for Morgan to replace Rudolph. Speaking just for myself I'd say that I'd like to see Smith/Conklin replace Rudolph as they are both faster than him and might actually break a tackle once in a while. I'd also like to see Morgan targeted once or twice per game to keep defenses honest. I think it counts for a lot. If you have 2 guys that aren't fast, I'll take the one with some more "wiggle" to his game. If we throw a 5 yard pass to either guy on 3rd and 7, I think Morgan has a better chance of getting the extra 2 yards. RE: Morgan's 2-yard wiggle Just to clarify ... are you saying that you prefer Morgan and his 2-yard wiggle over Rudolph and his non-wiggle? I would add a 1 yard forward lean to Morgan's portfolio. Morgan the drunken pirate maybe ... not sure about Morgan the TE.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2019 9:01:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Morgan is in to block and he's good at that. How many plays is he even in the game? According to this article, the Vikings rushed nearly twice as much when Morgan played in the game. Football is still a team game and you can't just go by individual stats. Also, I do believe the team wants to be more committed to the running game this year to support Cousins better. https://www.vikings.com/news/2018-vikings-position-recap-tight-ends I wonder if that's some kind of giveaway to the defense when Morgan is on the field considering he is on the field for 22% of the team's offensive snaps yet was only targeted six times all season. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/2018-snap-counts.htm Perhaps, but I think Morgan pass blocks well, too. It's interesting to learn from your link that Morgan is on the field for a quarter of the plays that Rudolph is. His stats are somewhat skewed by that. Is Rudolph on the field for 88% of the snaps? I like Morgan for what he is, but the idea of him replacing Rudy as our primary TE is like Marty's love for Sloter to replace Cousins. [&:] Who said anything about Morgan replacing Rudolph? Spoiler alert - no one. It's extrapolation DF. Rudolph cut or traded and Vikings going with 2 TE sets. With Rudolph those would be Smith and Rudolph. Without Rudolph it's not going to be Smith and Conklin. Hence I say replacing Rudolph with Morgan. Just because he might replace him on the field doesn't mean using him in the same way. Good coaches put their players in to succeed by playing to their strengths and scheming with their weaknesses in mind. I'm not advocating that Morgan be used as a featured pass receiver. That's going to be the job of Smith. The Kubiak offense is predicated on both TEs being legitimate receiving threats. Fortunately we don't have to worry about this at all because Rudolph will be with us all year. I looked up the Broncos from 1995-2005 and the Texans from 2006-2013. I don’t think that’s an accurate description of Kubiak’s offense.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2019 11:22:11 PM)
Here's a good video on Kyle Rudolph's value. https://www.vikings.com/video/silver-reports-on-rudolph-s-status-possible-trade-value

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 5:53:49 AM)
Best post I've seen on the whole Rudolph contract situation. Found on Daily Norseman. Rudolph is on the last year of his deal, which is almost always the highest number, because the salary cap increases every year. Sure, he has the fifth-highest base salary, but none of his money is guaranteed. He’s the only guy in the top ten with no guaranteed money. Most of the other guys have guaranteed money past this year. Here are the four above him in cap number this year: Jimmy Graham $12m (with 2 years of dead money) Kelce 10.7m (this is the best non-rookie TE contract in the league) Jordan Reed 9.7m (3m dead money if cut this year) Trey Burton 8.5m (15m guaranteed this year and next) Besides Kelce, would you take any of those contracts over Rudolph? Here are the next 5, after Rudolph at 7.2m: Ebron 7m (1m dead this year) Brate 7m (no dead money) Greg Olson 6.6m (34 this year, 7.4m dead money if cut this year, 3.7m if cut next year) Delanie Walker 6.3m (35 this year, $6m dead money this year, 1.6m next year) Vernon Davis 6.3m (35 this year, 1.3m dead money) How about any of those? Ertz is 11th, because he restructured his deal. He’s a year younger than Rudolph, and has cap hits of 6.2m in his age 29 season this year, 12.2m in his age 30 season next year, and 12.4m in his age 31 season in 2021, most of which is fully guaranteed. I think it’s pretty fair to argue that Rudolph has one of the five most team-friendly non-rookie TE contracts in the league. And that’s in the last, least team-friendly year of the deal. Here are the top five free agent TEs for 2019 by average contract value per year: Jared Cook 7.5m (age 32, 8m guaranteed over 2 years, 68/896 career year on a garbage-time Oakland team) Tyler Kroft 6.3m (age 26, 6m guaranteed spread over 3 years, only good season was 42/404) CJ Uzomah 6m (age 26, 43/439 last year in only good season) Nick Boyle 6m (age 26, 10m guaranteed, best season 28/203) Jesse James 5.6m (age 25, 10.5m guaranteed, best season 30/423) Rudolph is an asset, not an anchor, you fools. 50 catches for 600 yards is absolutely worth $7m from a TE. Who else takes his 80 targets and turns it into 600 yards if we cut Rudolph? The rookie? Exactly three rookie TEs have hit 600 yards in the last 20 years – John Carlson in 2008 (best WR on team: 35-year-old Bobby Engram; no WRs played 16 games), Jeremy Shockey in 2002 (best receiver Amani Toomer, then 7 games of Ike Hilliard, then… Ron… Dixon? LB/WR Daryl Jones? Those are the next two WRs in targets) and Evan Engram in 2017 (Both Beckham and Sterling Shepard got hurt, only WR to play more than 11 games was Roger Lewis). So yeah. Rudolph is very clearly a good use of $7m in cap space, has a better contract than all but a few non-rookie TEs, and we should absolutely not cut him. I also think he’ll probably sign somewhere else next year and get us a fourth-round comp pick (and as such, we should take nothing less than a fourth in trade). If we do extend him at his current salary, I don’t want it to be for more than this year and next year, and I don’t want any dead money on the books past 2020. But judging by other TE salaries around the league, he would very likely be worth that modest extension. Posted by CVBoot on May 17, 2019 \| 11:02 PM More likely a 5th round pick, but that's nitpicking.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 7:30:41 AM)
Who is CV Boot? He makes good points.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 7:43:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Who is CV Boot? He makes good points. Just a rube like us I think.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 7:44:05 AM)
I see we did offer Rudy a 5 year contract. No details available except that it is on a scale comparable to the top TE pay but it appears Rudy scoffed at it. i can only assume it's a similar type of deal Grif signed that has little to no gauranteed money involved.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 7:59:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Who is CV Boot? He makes good points. He/she is someone who isn’t very good at looking up stats and/or is dishonest. Rudy has never even come close to averaging 12 yards per reception at any point in his career.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 8:08:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Who is CV Boot? He makes good points. He/she is someone who isn’t very good at looking up stats and/or is dishonest. Rudy has never even come close to averaging 12 yards per reception at any point in his career. Whatever. I had to read the post again to figure out what the hell you were talking about. I noticed the same 12 yard average on 50 for 600, but it's obvious he just threw out 50 receptions as a minimum expectation. Talk about twisting things and being DISHONEST DF. A lie is the intent to decieve and it certainly looks like your intent was to deceive. Your post makes me angry. I expect better from you.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 8:37:38 AM)
Obviously if you're a fan you want to know how the Rudy thing is going to shake out. I saw this on Twitter (along with the article) and thought what the heck is going on here. Then I've been monitoring all you alls posts which shed nothing other than the confusion Bill also has. Is this all bullshit? [image]http://i68.tinypic.com/oi9eme.png[/image] Welcome back to The Daily Rudolph, where we’re tracking all of the latest developments between the Minnesota Vikings and their starting tight end as they try to work out some sort of a deal. Today, news has come down from the folks at Pro Football Talk that, while not much process is being made, the Vikings have made an extension offer to Kyle Rudolph. And, if what they’re saying is accurate. . .well, it’s a little strange. Here’s what PFT’s report says: The Vikings, according to the source, have offered Rudolph a five-year extension, which would give Rudolph a new-money average among the highest paid tight ends in the league. That extension also would, presumably, reduce Rudolph’s current cap number of $7.625 million. The source adds that the Vikings have not asked Rudolph to take a pay cut in 2018, the final year of his current deal. As it stands now, Rudolph’s $7.625 million cap hit is the fifth-highest at the position in the NFL, according to Over the Cap. If this (hypothetical) extension would keep him “among the highest paid tight ends in the league,” let’s take a look at what sort of numbers that could mean. Per the numbers from Over the Cap, the average cap hit for the five highest-paid tight ends in the NFL will be $11,293,313 for the 2020 season and $9.430,966 for 2021. For a guy that would be in his mid-30s before a five-year contract extension expired, that seems like a lot. Unless Rudolph is going to be the second coming of Jason Witten or something, that kind of salary feels a little excessive. I can’t see the Vikings offering Rudolph that long an extension with those sorts of numbers attached. If they had, I’d find it difficult to believe that Rudolph wouldn’t have signed it by now if there was more guaranteed money attached. The next round of OTAs get underway in Eagan on Tuesday. Will the two sides come to some sort of an agreement before then?

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 8:39:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I see we did offer Rudy a 5 year contract. No details available except that it is on a scale comparable to the top TE pay but it appears Rudy scoffed at it. i can only assume it's a similar type of deal Grif signed that has little to no gauranteed money involved. I'm for just keeping him this year and letting him walk next year. We have our seam guy now with Smith so no more asking him(Rudy) to do that role. If we need extra $$$ for a guy like OT Schraeder, ask Cousins to defer 3-4 M to next year. It will be more on cap for next year but will be offset by probably letting Rudy, Reiff and Waynes/Rhodes go.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 8:57:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I see we did offer Rudy a 5 year contract. No details available except that it is on a scale comparable to the top TE pay but it appears Rudy scoffed at it. i can only assume it's a similar type of deal Grif signed that has little to no gauranteed money involved. I'm for just keeping him this year and letting him walk next year. We have our seam guy now with Smith so no more asking him(Rudy) to do that role. If we need extra $$$ for a guy like OT Schraeder, ask Cousins to defer 3-4 M to next year. It will be more on cap for next year but will be offset by probably letting Rudy, Reiff and Waynes/Rhodes go. The CBA does not allow any messing with guaranteed money.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 8:59:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Who is CV Boot? He makes good points. He/she is someone who isn’t very good at looking up stats and/or is dishonest. Rudy has never even come close to averaging 12 yards per reception at any point in his career. Whatever. I had to read the post again to figure out what the hell you were talking about. I noticed the same 12 yard average on 50 for 600, but it's obvious he just threw out 50 receptions as a minimum expectation. Talk about twisting things and being DISHONEST DF. A lie is the intent to decieve and it certainly looks like your intent was to deceive. Your post makes me angry. I expect better from you. I don’t think you fully understand what minimum means. If 50 catches is the minimum then 50 x 9.3 should be the corresponding minimum yards.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 9:00:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I see we did offer Rudy a 5 year contract. No details available except that it is on a scale comparable to the top TE pay but it appears Rudy scoffed at it. i can only assume it's a similar type of deal Grif signed that has little to no gauranteed money involved. I'm for just keeping him this year and letting him walk next year. We have our seam guy now with Smith so no more asking him(Rudy) to do that role. If we need extra $$$ for a guy like OT Schraeder, ask Cousins to defer 3-4 M to next year. It will be more on cap for next year but will be offset by probably letting Rudy, Reiff and Waynes/Rhodes go. The CBA does not allow any messing with guaranteed money. Even if it will still be paid out.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 9:06:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Who is CV Boot? He makes good points. He/she is someone who isn’t very good at looking up stats and/or is dishonest. Rudy has never even come close to averaging 12 yards per reception at any point in his career. Whatever. I had to read the post again to figure out what the hell you were talking about. I noticed the same 12 yard average on 50 for 600, but it's obvious he just threw out 50 receptions as a minimum expectation. Talk about twisting things and being DISHONEST DF. A lie is the intent to decieve and it certainly looks like your intent was to deceive. Your post makes me angry. I expect better from you. I don’t think you fully understand what minimum means. If 50 catches is the minimum then 50 x 9.3 should be the corresponding minimum yards. Whatever. The OP was not lacking in either research or honesty. YOU WERE TRYING TO TWIST THINGS. The OP never said anything about 12 YPR. he just threw out some numbers for this year. should have said 60-600 so people like you wouldn't twist his meaning.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 9:10:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Obviously if you're a fan you want to know how the Rudy thing is going to shake out. I saw this on Twitter (along with the article) and thought what the heck is going on here. Then I've been monitoring all you alls posts which shed nothing other than the confusion Bill also has. Is this all bullshit? [image]http://i68.tinypic.com/oi9eme.png[/image] Welcome back to The Daily Rudolph, where we’re tracking all of the latest developments between the Minnesota Vikings and their starting tight end as they try to work out some sort of a deal. Today, news has come down from the folks at Pro Football Talk that, while not much process is being made, the Vikings have made an extension offer to Kyle Rudolph. And, if what they’re saying is accurate. . .well, it’s a little strange. Here’s what PFT’s report says: The Vikings, according to the source, have offered Rudolph a five-year extension, which would give Rudolph a new-money average among the highest paid tight ends in the league. That extension also would, presumably, reduce Rudolph’s current cap number of $7.625 million. The source adds that the Vikings have not asked Rudolph to take a pay cut in 2018, the final year of his current deal. As it stands now, Rudolph’s $7.625 million cap hit is the fifth-highest at the position in the NFL, according to Over the Cap. If this (hypothetical) extension would keep him “among the highest paid tight ends in the league,” let’s take a look at what sort of numbers that could mean. Per the numbers from Over the Cap, the average cap hit for the five highest-paid tight ends in the NFL will be $11,293,313 for the 2020 season and $9.430,966 for 2021. For a guy that would be in his mid-30s before a five-year contract extension expired, that seems like a lot. Unless Rudolph is going to be the second coming of Jason Witten or something, that kind of salary feels a little excessive. I can’t see the Vikings offering Rudolph that long an extension with those sorts of numbers attached. If they had, I’d find it difficult to believe that Rudolph wouldn’t have signed it by now if there was more guaranteed money attached. The next round of OTAs get underway in Eagan on Tuesday. Will the two sides come to some sort of an agreement before then? Yes it's all bullshit.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 9:42:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Who is CV Boot? He makes good points. He/she is someone who isn’t very good at looking up stats and/or is dishonest. Rudy has never even come close to averaging 12 yards per reception at any point in his career. Whatever. I had to read the post again to figure out what the hell you were talking about. I noticed the same 12 yard average on 50 for 600, but it's obvious he just threw out 50 receptions as a minimum expectation. Talk about twisting things and being DISHONEST DF. A lie is the intent to decieve and it certainly looks like your intent was to deceive. Your post makes me angry. I expect better from you. I don’t think you fully understand what minimum means. If 50 catches is the minimum then 50 x 9.3 should be the corresponding minimum yards. Whatever. The OP was not lacking in either research or honesty. YOU WERE TRYING TO TWIST THINGS. The OP never said anything about 12 YPR. he just threw out some numbers for this year. should have said 60-600 so people like you wouldn't twist his meaning. It doesn’t seem fair that you think I’m the dishonest one when I’m the only one that actually looked up the facts and the other, in your words - ‘just threw out numbers’. I think your fandom for Rudolph is clouding your judgement.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 9:46:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Who is CV Boot? He makes good points. He/she is someone who isn’t very good at looking up stats and/or is dishonest. Rudy has never even come close to averaging 12 yards per reception at any point in his career. Whatever. I had to read the post again to figure out what the hell you were talking about. I noticed the same 12 yard average on 50 for 600, but it's obvious he just threw out 50 receptions as a minimum expectation. Talk about twisting things and being DISHONEST DF. A lie is the intent to decieve and it certainly looks like your intent was to deceive. Your post makes me angry. I expect better from you. David said AND/OR is dishonest. He left open the very real possibility that the individual is completely honest and just bad at looking stats. He implied multiple possibilities. You then inferred the worst of David from it. He's the one who should be angry, not you.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2019 10:10:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Who is CV Boot? He makes good points. He/she is someone who isn’t very good at looking up stats and/or is dishonest. Rudy has never even come close to averaging 12 yards per reception at any point in his career. Whatever. I had to read the post again to figure out what the hell you were talking about. I noticed the same 12 yard average on 50 for 600, but it's obvious he just threw out 50 receptions as a minimum expectation. Talk about twisting things and being DISHONEST DF. A lie is the intent to decieve and it certainly looks like your intent was to deceive. Your post makes me angry. I expect better from you. I don’t think you fully understand what minimum means. If 50 catches is the minimum then 50 x 9.3 should be the corresponding minimum yards. Whatever. The OP was not lacking in either research or honesty. YOU WERE TRYING TO TWIST THINGS. The OP never said anything about 12 YPR. he just threw out some numbers for this year. should have said 60-600 so people like you wouldn't twist his meaning. It doesn’t seem fair that you think I’m the dishonest one when I’m the only one that actually looked up the facts and the other, in your words - ‘just threw out numbers’. I think your fandom for Rudolph is clouding your judgement. I could be wrong but I don't think you are this clueless. Were any of the stats or contract numbers posted wrong? You in letting your anti-Rudy bias cloud your judgment took a simple 50-600 hypothetical numbers for this season and Twisted it into making a false and ridiculous clain against the OP who did some very good research and was not dishonest in any way whatsoever. Now you are trying very unsuccessfully to save face. Cut your losses DF.

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