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TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:32:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Suit yourself. I'd rather have a good kicker. 84% overall with around 100% in the clutch and 87% PATs is a good kicker. I had no issue with Forbath as our kicker at all. Who said he was 100% in the clutch? Where are the numbers that support that statement? And 87% on PAT is piss poor. He was so good in 2017 that he got picked up for a whopping 3 games in 2018. 87% on PATs is piss poor and hard to explain. However, I don't give a rat's ass about PATs if he missed a few a year. FGs count triple the PATs and that is what matters to me. We lost 3 games total that year and I didn't say that he was 100% in the clutch. I'm not certain. I know he made a huge FG down the stretch to win the Saints game only to have the defense blow it. I had no problems whatsoever with Forbath. Circumlocutory indeed. around 100% in the clutch is absolutely not saying 100% in the clutch. I said around because I wasn't sure. He may have missed one clutch FG. I guess I'm circumlocutory. I don't give a rat's ass. Well if you didn't mean what you said, I don't know why we are arguing.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:35:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: odin quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens It's a great way to rate accuracy. Very few FG attempts of less than 29 yards are missed by any kickers in the NFL. We can include the whole lot though. Forbath's over all percentage of 84.2% with the Vikings was good for 17th place in the NFL. His PAT % of 87.2% was 28th in the NFL. I also dispute the logic that says the 6 that he missed didn't count. FGs by "Mr. Clutch" in 2017: In Wins: 87.5% In Losses: 66.7% Games 1-8: 21/22 Games 9-16: 11/16 Final margin: 0-7 Points: 6/9 8-14 Points: 13/14 15+ Points: 13/15 So he was great in the first half of the season, in wins and in blowouts. Much less so in the 2nd half of the season, in losses and in close games. Doesn't seem like a guy to pine after to me. Should be enough evidence for all but the circumlocutory poster who always needs to have the "last word". Circumlocutory. Damn this board is educational. How many of those lost games were lost because of a missed FG? Was it any? How many of those lost games were on a missed FG of less than 50 yards? If the answer is none than he was 100% in the clutch. Maybe I'm circumlocutory maybe I'm not because I don't know what that word means. I don't really care. Forbath absolutely got the job done for us. No he didn't. If he did we wouldn't have drafted a kicker and cut him. If he was that good, he would have been picked up for more than a 3 game stint last year. There is a level of performance that separates the upper level of kickers from the guys who bounce around from team to team. Clearly Forbath doesn't have that. Otherwise he wouldn't be looking to catch on with his 5th team. He absolutely and without any question whatsoever got the job done for us. We were just foolish enough to see the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. If we had kept Forbath I am about 99% certain we would have been a better team last year and made the playoffs last year and once in the playoffs you never know what could happen.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:36:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Suit yourself. I'd rather have a good kicker. 84% overall with around 100% in the clutch and 87% PATs is a good kicker. I had no issue with Forbath as our kicker at all. Who said he was 100% in the clutch? Where are the numbers that support that statement? And 87% on PAT is piss poor. He was so good in 2017 that he got picked up for a whopping 3 games in 2018. 87% on PATs is piss poor and hard to explain. However, I don't give a rat's ass about PATs if he missed a few a year. FGs count triple the PATs and that is what matters to me. We lost 3 games total that year and I didn't say that he was 100% in the clutch. I'm not certain. I know he made a huge FG down the stretch to win the Saints game only to have the defense blow it. I had no problems whatsoever with Forbath. Circumlocutory indeed. around 100% in the clutch is absolutely not saying 100% in the clutch. I said around because I wasn't sure. He may have missed one clutch FG. I guess I'm circumlocutory. I don't give a rat's ass. Well if you didn't mean what you said, I don't know why we are arguing. I meant what I said. Around 100% means either 100% or close to it.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:36:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: odin quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens It's a great way to rate accuracy. Very few FG attempts of less than 29 yards are missed by any kickers in the NFL. We can include the whole lot though. Forbath's over all percentage of 84.2% with the Vikings was good for 17th place in the NFL. His PAT % of 87.2% was 28th in the NFL. I also dispute the logic that says the 6 that he missed didn't count. FGs by "Mr. Clutch" in 2017: In Wins: 87.5% In Losses: 66.7% Games 1-8: 21/22 Games 9-16: 11/16 Final margin: 0-7 Points: 6/9 8-14 Points: 13/14 15+ Points: 13/15 So he was great in the first half of the season, in wins and in blowouts. Much less so in the 2nd half of the season, in losses and in close games. Doesn't seem like a guy to pine after to me. Should be enough evidence for all but the circumlocutory poster who always needs to have the "last word". Forbath was 47/53 while with the Vikes including 7/10 on field goals 50+ yards. I'd be thrilled with that going forward. Clutch is subjective -- he did make the long field goal late against the Saints. As mentioned, he had other shortcomings (PATs and kickoffs). That's all from me on Forbath. I'm happy to have Vedvik! That first partial year with us was an outlier compared to every other year in his career. 2017, where he was with us the full year is much more in-line with the rest of his career as a journeyman kicker that has kicked in 16 games only twice in his career - and bookended his 16 with us by playing in 7 the year before and 3 the year after. Truth is, we barely needed a kicker in 2017. We outscored our opponents by 130 points and had 2 games that were decided by less than 7 points. There were not a lot of high pressure situations. I don't expect we'll be doing that this year and FGs and PATs will likely be much more valuable to us - not to mention being able to launch kickoffs.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:39:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: odin quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens It's a great way to rate accuracy. Very few FG attempts of less than 29 yards are missed by any kickers in the NFL. We can include the whole lot though. Forbath's over all percentage of 84.2% with the Vikings was good for 17th place in the NFL. His PAT % of 87.2% was 28th in the NFL. I also dispute the logic that says the 6 that he missed didn't count. FGs by "Mr. Clutch" in 2017: In Wins: 87.5% In Losses: 66.7% Games 1-8: 21/22 Games 9-16: 11/16 Final margin: 0-7 Points: 6/9 8-14 Points: 13/14 15+ Points: 13/15 So he was great in the first half of the season, in wins and in blowouts. Much less so in the 2nd half of the season, in losses and in close games. Doesn't seem like a guy to pine after to me. Should be enough evidence for all but the circumlocutory poster who always needs to have the "last word". Forbath was 47/53 while with the Vikes including 7/10 on field goals 50+ yards. I'd be thrilled with that going forward. Clutch is subjective -- he did make the long field goal late against the Saints. As mentioned, he had other shortcomings (PATs and kickoffs). That's all from me on Forbath. I'm happy to have Vedvik! That first partial year with us was an outlier compared to every other year in his career. 2017, where he was with us the full year is much more in-line with the rest of his career as a journeyman kicker that has kicked in 16 games only twice in his career - and bookended his 16 with us by playing in 7 the year before and 3 the year after. Truth is, we barely needed a kicker in 2017. We outscored our opponents by 130 points and had 2 games that were decided by less than 7 points. There were not a lot of high pressure situations. I don't expect we'll be doing that this year and FGs and PATs will likely be much more valuable to us - not to mention being able to launch kickoffs. Were we discussing his entire career or his time with the Vikings. Moving the goalposts much DL? As for Vedvik he is very intriguing. What usually makes or breaks a kicker is less about leg strength and more about what's between the ears. Hopefully he has the kind of mind that can deal with that kind of pressure.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:39:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: odin quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens It's a great way to rate accuracy. Very few FG attempts of less than 29 yards are missed by any kickers in the NFL. We can include the whole lot though. Forbath's over all percentage of 84.2% with the Vikings was good for 17th place in the NFL. His PAT % of 87.2% was 28th in the NFL. I also dispute the logic that says the 6 that he missed didn't count. FGs by "Mr. Clutch" in 2017: In Wins: 87.5% In Losses: 66.7% Games 1-8: 21/22 Games 9-16: 11/16 Final margin: 0-7 Points: 6/9 8-14 Points: 13/14 15+ Points: 13/15 So he was great in the first half of the season, in wins and in blowouts. Much less so in the 2nd half of the season, in losses and in close games. Doesn't seem like a guy to pine after to me. Should be enough evidence for all but the circumlocutory poster who always needs to have the "last word". Circumlocutory. Damn this board is educational. How many of those lost games were lost because of a missed FG? Was it any? How many of those lost games were on a missed FG of less than 50 yards? If the answer is none than he was 100% in the clutch. Maybe I'm circumlocutory maybe I'm not because I don't know what that word means. I don't really care. Forbath absolutely got the job done for us. No he didn't. If he did we wouldn't have drafted a kicker and cut him. If he was that good, he would have been picked up for more than a 3 game stint last year. There is a level of performance that separates the upper level of kickers from the guys who bounce around from team to team. Clearly Forbath doesn't have that. Otherwise he wouldn't be looking to catch on with his 5th team. He absolutely and without any question whatsoever got the job done for us. We were just foolish enough to see the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. If we had kept Forbath I am about 99% certain we would have been a better team last year and made the playoffs last year and once in the playoffs you never know what could happen. I guess denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:43:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: odin quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens It's a great way to rate accuracy. Very few FG attempts of less than 29 yards are missed by any kickers in the NFL. We can include the whole lot though. Forbath's over all percentage of 84.2% with the Vikings was good for 17th place in the NFL. His PAT % of 87.2% was 28th in the NFL. I also dispute the logic that says the 6 that he missed didn't count. FGs by "Mr. Clutch" in 2017: In Wins: 87.5% In Losses: 66.7% Games 1-8: 21/22 Games 9-16: 11/16 Final margin: 0-7 Points: 6/9 8-14 Points: 13/14 15+ Points: 13/15 So he was great in the first half of the season, in wins and in blowouts. Much less so in the 2nd half of the season, in losses and in close games. Doesn't seem like a guy to pine after to me. Should be enough evidence for all but the circumlocutory poster who always needs to have the "last word". Circumlocutory. Damn this board is educational. How many of those lost games were lost because of a missed FG? Was it any? How many of those lost games were on a missed FG of less than 50 yards? If the answer is none than he was 100% in the clutch. Maybe I'm circumlocutory maybe I'm not because I don't know what that word means. I don't really care. Forbath absolutely got the job done for us. No he didn't. If he did we wouldn't have drafted a kicker and cut him. If he was that good, he would have been picked up for more than a 3 game stint last year. There is a level of performance that separates the upper level of kickers from the guys who bounce around from team to team. Clearly Forbath doesn't have that. Otherwise he wouldn't be looking to catch on with his 5th team. He absolutely and without any question whatsoever got the job done for us. We were just foolish enough to see the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. If we had kept Forbath I am about 99% certain we would have been a better team last year and made the playoffs last year and once in the playoffs you never know what could happen. I guess denial ain't just a river in Egypt. If you don't think we would have been better off with Forbath last year than the suck ass combo of Carlson and Bailey I think you are the one living on that river in Egypt. Regardless that is over and done with. I really hope that Bailey is not our K this year so I'm willing to give Vedvik a try. I'm done so anybody want the last word it's yours.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:43:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: odin quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens It's a great way to rate accuracy. Very few FG attempts of less than 29 yards are missed by any kickers in the NFL. We can include the whole lot though. Forbath's over all percentage of 84.2% with the Vikings was good for 17th place in the NFL. His PAT % of 87.2% was 28th in the NFL. I also dispute the logic that says the 6 that he missed didn't count. FGs by "Mr. Clutch" in 2017: In Wins: 87.5% In Losses: 66.7% Games 1-8: 21/22 Games 9-16: 11/16 Final margin: 0-7 Points: 6/9 8-14 Points: 13/14 15+ Points: 13/15 So he was great in the first half of the season, in wins and in blowouts. Much less so in the 2nd half of the season, in losses and in close games. Doesn't seem like a guy to pine after to me. Should be enough evidence for all but the circumlocutory poster who always needs to have the "last word". Circumlocutory. Damn this board is educational. How many of those lost games were lost because of a missed FG? Was it any? How many of those lost games were on a missed FG of less than 50 yards? If the answer is none than he was 100% in the clutch. Maybe I'm circumlocutory maybe I'm not because I don't know what that word means. I don't really care. Forbath absolutely got the job done for us. No he didn't. If he did we wouldn't have drafted a kicker and cut him. If he was that good, he would have been picked up for more than a 3 game stint last year. There is a level of performance that separates the upper level of kickers from the guys who bounce around from team to team. Clearly Forbath doesn't have that. Otherwise he wouldn't be looking to catch on with his 5th team. He absolutely and without any question whatsoever got the job done for us. We were just foolish enough to see the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. If we had kept Forbath I am about 99% certain we would have been a better team last year and made the playoffs last year and once in the playoffs you never know what could happen. I guess denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Well, I would assume Forbath would have made at least one of the three FGs that Carlson missed in Green Bay and that victory instead of a tie likely would have put us in the playoffs.... So, He's not so far off base here. It's not really denial. We weren't far from making the playoffs. Had we won in week 17 we were in. So just one FG in week 3 or whatever it was...would have made the difference.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:44:25 PM)
Assuming he made them.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:46:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Assuming he made them. I did say that I assumed Forbath would have made at least one of the three that Carlson missed.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:49:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Assuming he made them. I did say that I assumed Forbath would have made at least one of the three that Carlson missed. I am not a big Forbath fan, but I think he was better than Bailey. If you get Bailey fixed from the right hash and let the new guy kickoff and punt plus figure out the holder I no longer have an interest to change.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:51:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Assuming he made them. I did say that I assumed Forbath would have made at least one of the three that Carlson missed. And what if he misses the 52 yarder or the 37 yarder Bailey made against the Eagles? You can't just point to one game.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:54:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: odin quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens It's a great way to rate accuracy. Very few FG attempts of less than 29 yards are missed by any kickers in the NFL. We can include the whole lot though. Forbath's over all percentage of 84.2% with the Vikings was good for 17th place in the NFL. His PAT % of 87.2% was 28th in the NFL. I also dispute the logic that says the 6 that he missed didn't count. FGs by "Mr. Clutch" in 2017: In Wins: 87.5% In Losses: 66.7% Games 1-8: 21/22 Games 9-16: 11/16 Final margin: 0-7 Points: 6/9 8-14 Points: 13/14 15+ Points: 13/15 So he was great in the first half of the season, in wins and in blowouts. Much less so in the 2nd half of the season, in losses and in close games. Doesn't seem like a guy to pine after to me. Should be enough evidence for all but the circumlocutory poster who always needs to have the "last word". Circumlocutory. Damn this board is educational. How many of those lost games were lost because of a missed FG? Was it any? How many of those lost games were on a missed FG of less than 50 yards? If the answer is none than he was 100% in the clutch. Maybe I'm circumlocutory maybe I'm not because I don't know what that word means. I don't really care. Forbath absolutely got the job done for us. No he didn't. If he did we wouldn't have drafted a kicker and cut him. If he was that good, he would have been picked up for more than a 3 game stint last year. There is a level of performance that separates the upper level of kickers from the guys who bounce around from team to team. Clearly Forbath doesn't have that. Otherwise he wouldn't be looking to catch on with his 5th team. He absolutely and without any question whatsoever got the job done for us. We were just foolish enough to see the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. If we had kept Forbath I am about 99% certain we would have been a better team last year and made the playoffs last year and once in the playoffs you never know what could happen. I guess denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Well, I would assume Forbath would have made at least one of the three FGs that Carlson missed in Green Bay and that victory instead of a tie likely would have put us in the playoffs.... So, He's not so far off base here. It's not really denial. We weren't far from making the playoffs. Had we won in week 17 we were in. So just one FG in week 3 or whatever it was...would have made the difference. What if Forbath misses one (or more) of the 3 PATs that Carlson made and the game never gets to OT (where two of our missed FGs occurred)? And the one FG Carlson missed in regulation was from 48 yards - hardly a given for Forbath. It's just as easy to say we lose that game instead of tie if we had Forbath as it is to say we'd have won it.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 3:59:28 PM)
Like I said, if Forbath was that good, he would have caught on with someone by now. Clearly, nobody views him as a long term solution.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 4:05:12 PM)
. . these guys have to get their numbers together.... Eric Smith@Eric_L_Smith Dan Bailey made all 6 kicks today, his first perfect day of camp. Chad Graff@ChadGraff Dan Bailey had his first perfect training camp practice today, going 7-for-7. Kaare Vedvik has handled punting and kickoffs. Arif Hasan@ArifHasanNFL Mattison is essentially a lock at #2. Looks good, had a drop today. I'd say Boone now has a better chance than Abdullah at#3 Chris Tomasson@christomasson #Vikings kicker Dan Bailey on going 7 of 7 today on kicks, including 54-yarder: “Heading in the right direction. Today was a good indicator of that. I thought we had a good day as a unit. So you just got to move forward and do your best.’’ Chris Tomasson@christomasson #Vikings coach Mike Zimmer, a year after saying the linebacker depth isn't good, said the depth at the position is the best now in his six years and team might keep as many as six backers.

geoffrey greitzer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 4:07:01 PM)
What about the new kid?

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 4:12:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . Eric Smith@Eric_L_Smith Dan Bailey made all 6 kicks today, his first perfect day of camp. Who was holding? Vedvik? Now we will stick with Bailey and he will hit 75% for the season.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 4:24:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . Eric Smith@Eric_L_Smith Dan Bailey made all 6 kicks today, his first perfect day of camp. Who was holding? Vedvik? Now we will stick with Bailey and he will hit 75% for the season. I believe the holder was Chad Beebe.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 4:24:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . Eric Smith@Eric_L_Smith Dan Bailey made all 6 kicks today, his first perfect day of camp. Who was holding? Vedvik? Now we will stick with Bailey and he will hit 75% for the season. Chris Tomasson@christomasson Vikings WR Chad Beebe holds for Dan Bailey kick with Matt Wile having hurt finger kick is good and Kaare Vedvik takes kickoff. Beebe holding in FG drills.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 4:26:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer What about the new kid? I think he is slated to punt and hold. Zim has been fairly complimentary of Bailey. Wiley is okay with Zim, except for the direction of his punts, the distance he punts and the way he holds. Other than that I guess he is happy with him.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 4:26:42 PM)
. . Chris Tomasson@christomasson #Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said there's a "good possibility" he could try Kaare Vedvik as both a punter and kicker in one of the final three preseason games. Yet he reiterated it would be difficult for one guy to end up doing both in regular season.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 4:27:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . Eric Smith@Eric_L_Smith Dan Bailey made all 6 kicks today, his first perfect day of camp. Who was holding? Vedvik? Now we will stick with Bailey and he will hit 75% for the season. Chris Tomasson@christomasson Vikings WR Chad Beebe holds for Dan Bailey kick with Matt Wile having hurt finger kick is good and Kaare Vedvik takes kickoff. Beebe holding in FG drills. Maybe Beebe will be the holder. I have a feeling he would be good at it. How often do holders get injured? I think it is very rare.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 5:06:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . Eric Smith@Eric_L_Smith Dan Bailey made all 6 kicks today, his first perfect day of camp. Who was holding? Vedvik? Now we will stick with Bailey and he will hit 75% for the season. Chris Tomasson@christomasson Vikings WR Chad Beebe holds for Dan Bailey kick with Matt Wile having hurt finger kick is good and Kaare Vedvik takes kickoff. Beebe holding in FG drills. Maybe Beebe will be the holder. I have a feeling he would be good at it. How often do holders get injured? I think it is very rare. Problem is if he gets injured playing wr he may be unable to fulfill holding duties. Dan Bailey was also seen practicing as a holder. My best guess. Wile is done. Vedvik is the new punter,holder,KO's Bailey will be the primary FG Kicker, and holder for Vedvik on long FG attempts....

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 5:10:04 PM)
One thing that needs to be figured out right away though is whether Vedvik is a P or K I've seen P's handle KO duties before so that is not out of the ordinary.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/13/2019 5:11:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . Chris Tomasson@christomasson #Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said there's a "good possibility" he could try Kaare Vedvik as both a punter and kicker in one of the final three preseason games. Yet he reiterated it would be difficult for one guy to end up doing both in regular season. Agreed. I can only remember one guy over the past 10-20 years that started the season intending to do both - and that flamed out quickly.

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