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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

The team is all in to win every year, this is what gets fans to buy in and spend their money...

I will agree that some key pieces are in place, but huge variables in all with yet again new O system and O line as well as a QB with unlimited upside in skill set yet a propensity to play down when the lights shine brightest...

The kicking game is a microcosm of team whole under Zimmmer and will define his legacy....

Who would you rather have coach this team? Who would you rather have at QB? What other GM do you want? Which kicker would you rather have here? If you are going to throw the negative spaghetti against the wall you better have ways to fix what you feel ills the team.

RAGnarok we haven't played one game yet and you are already done for this year.

I didn't get that from his post at all. He said some key pieces are in place and listed some variables that we have to see how they play out. The O system and the O line are in fact new and unproven. Cousins does have questions to answer. The kicking game has been well chronicled. Pointing these out is not writing off the season.

I should have quoted his earlier post....read that and get back to me.

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ORIGINAL: odin

I was wondering about some of Zimmer's motives recently and came up with some questions.

Why would he apparently rather have a lamb than a lion at QB? Perhaps having someone he perceives as a "gunslinger" at the QB position, even as the #2, creates the fear that his defense (his main identity, rather than the team as a whole?) might get put in bad positions and make him look like less of a guru. If the team (hypothetically) scores 56 more points and also allows 28 more points over a season as a result of the gunslinger's willingness to take measured risks, would he be happy with that?

Does Zimmer wants the team to rally around him and he's too insecure to handle his team rallying around/ responding to Sloter? Is that why he seemingly undermines Sloter at nearly every opportunity and reinforces that HE is the HMIC? Or...does he perceive Cousins as being too mentally skittish to handle Sloter being #2 without the buffer of Mannion between them?

Has his (job) insecurity made him too short-term of a thinker? Look at NE, most everything they do is with the long-term health of the team in mind, over time this has a positive snowball effect.

Disturbingly, Zimmer is reminding me of Childress with his "programmatic non-fit" type of comments when Moss was dumped and also his "tough guy" approach.

From a psychometric/mental health perspective: Have you noticed that the team not only seems to like to draft players who genuinely love the game and are highly intelligent, but are also not over-the-top narcissistic/toxic? This is great overall for team chemistry, but sometimes a very talented strong leader will march to his own drummer and the team will rally around him in a positive way and it is something the coach needs to be secure enough to handle without cutting off his nose to spite his face.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: odin

I was wondering about some of Zimmer's motives recently and came up with some questions.

Why would he apparently rather have a lamb than a lion at QB? Perhaps having someone he perceives as a "gunslinger" at the QB position, even as the #2, creates the fear that his defense (his main identity, rather than the team as a whole?) might get put in bad positions and make him look like less of a guru. If the team (hypothetically) scores 56 more points and also allows 28 more points over a season as a result of the gunslinger's willingness to take measured risks, would he be happy with that?

Does Zimmer wants the team to rally around him and he's too insecure to handle his team rallying around/ responding to Sloter? Is that why he seemingly undermines Sloter at nearly every opportunity and reinforces that HE is the HMIC? Or...does he perceive Cousins as being too mentally skittish to handle Sloter being #2 without the buffer of Mannion between them?

Has his (job) insecurity made him too short-term of a thinker? Look at NE, most everything they do is with the long-term health of the team in mind, over time this has a positive snowball effect.

Disturbingly, Zimmer is reminding me of Childress with his "programmatic non-fit" type of comments when Moss was dumped and also his "tough guy" approach.

From a psychometric/mental health perspective: Have you noticed that the team not only seems to like to draft players who genuinely love the game and are highly intelligent, but are also not over-the-top narcissistic/toxic? This is great overall for team chemistry, but sometimes a very talented strong leader will march to his own drummer and the team will rally around him in a positive way and it is something the coach needs to be secure enough to handle without cutting off his nose to spite his face.

I don't think Zimmer is insecure at all. Just the opposite. He believes what he believes, and this is what I can appreciate, he really doesn't give a shit what you or I think about him.

WTS, he did get under my skin with the whole, "We need to run the ball more," fiasco.

I haven't been following too close yet but I'm bias towards giving Sloter his chance and that side of things from a distance, too.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: odin

I was wondering about some of Zimmer's motives recently and came up with some questions.

Why would he apparently rather have a lamb than a lion at QB? Perhaps having someone he perceives as a "gunslinger" at the QB position, even as the #2, creates the fear that his defense (his main identity, rather than the team as a whole?) might get put in bad positions and make him look like less of a guru. If the team (hypothetically) scores 56 more points and also allows 28 more points over a season as a result of the gunslinger's willingness to take measured risks, would he be happy with that?

Does Zimmer wants the team to rally around him and he's too insecure to handle his team rallying around/ responding to Sloter? Is that why he seemingly undermines Sloter at nearly every opportunity and reinforces that HE is the HMIC? Or...does he perceive Cousins as being too mentally skittish to handle Sloter being #2 without the buffer of Mannion between them?

Has his (job) insecurity made him too short-term of a thinker? Look at NE, most everything they do is with the long-term health of the team in mind, over time this has a positive snowball effect.

Disturbingly, Zimmer is reminding me of Childress with his "programmatic non-fit" type of comments when Moss was dumped and also his "tough guy" approach.

From a psychometric/mental health perspective: Have you noticed that the team not only seems to like to draft players who genuinely love the game and are highly intelligent, but are also not over-the-top narcissistic/toxic? This is great overall for team chemistry, but sometimes a very talented strong leader will march to his own drummer and the team will rally around him in a positive way and it is something the coach needs to be secure enough to handle without cutting off his nose to spite his face.

I don't think Zimmer is insecure at all. Just the opposite. He believes what he believes, and this is what I can appreciate, he really doesn't give a shit what you or I think about him.

WTS, he did get under my skin with the whole, "We need to run the ball more," fiasco.

I haven't been following too close yet but I'm bias towards giving Sloter his chance and that side of things from a distance, too.

...consider this, if New England wasnt such an dynasty under Bill B he would be labeled a smug control freak who is a total dick to the media and even his own players...

Winning makes everything look better...

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I'm all over this one.

One note from Vikings walk-throughs today: It was just the team's projected starters and players unlikely to play in the fourth preseason game. Bisi Johnson was in that group. So if it wasn't clear before, expect Johnson to make the team's 53-man roster.

(Chad Graff on Twitter)

He might be winning the WR3 job over Beebe

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: odin

I was wondering about some of Zimmer's motives recently and came up with some questions.

Why would he apparently rather have a lamb than a lion at QB? Perhaps having someone he perceives as a "gunslinger" at the QB position, even as the #2, creates the fear that his defense (his main identity, rather than the team as a whole?) might get put in bad positions and make him look like less of a guru. If the team (hypothetically) scores 56 more points and also allows 28 more points over a season as a result of the gunslinger's willingness to take measured risks, would he be happy with that?

Does Zimmer wants the team to rally around him and he's too insecure to handle his team rallying around/ responding to Sloter? Is that why he seemingly undermines Sloter at nearly every opportunity and reinforces that HE is the HMIC? Or...does he perceive Cousins as being too mentally skittish to handle Sloter being #2 without the buffer of Mannion between them?

Has his (job) insecurity made him too short-term of a thinker? Look at NE, most everything they do is with the long-term health of the team in mind, over time this has a positive snowball effect.

Disturbingly, Zimmer is reminding me of Childress with his "programmatic non-fit" type of comments when Moss was dumped and also his "tough guy" approach.

From a psychometric/mental health perspective: Have you noticed that the team not only seems to like to draft players who genuinely love the game and are highly intelligent, but are also not over-the-top narcissistic/toxic? This is great overall for team chemistry, but sometimes a very talented strong leader will march to his own drummer and the team will rally around him in a positive way and it is something the coach needs to be secure enough to handle without cutting off his nose to spite his face.

I don't think Zimmer is insecure at all. Just the opposite. He believes what he believes, and this is what I can appreciate, he really doesn't give a shit what you or I think about him.

WTS, he did get under my skin with the whole, "We need to run the ball more," fiasco.

I haven't been following too close yet but I'm bias towards giving Sloter his chance and that side of things from a distance, too.

...consider this, if New England wasnt such an dynasty under Bill B he would be labeled a smug control freak who is a total dick to the media and even his own players...

Winning makes everything look better...

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Too much negativity here for the eve of what could be the most special season ever. I'm a Zimmer guy. I love him as the coach. The team is all in to win this season. So am I.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: odin

I was wondering about some of Zimmer's motives recently and came up with some questions.

Why would he apparently rather have a lamb than a lion at QB? Perhaps having someone he perceives as a "gunslinger" at the QB position, even as the #2, creates the fear that his defense (his main identity, rather than the team as a whole?) might get put in bad positions and make him look like less of a guru. If the team (hypothetically) scores 56 more points and also allows 28 more points over a season as a result of the gunslinger's willingness to take measured risks, would he be happy with that?

Does Zimmer wants the team to rally around him and he's too insecure to handle his team rallying around/ responding to Sloter? Is that why he seemingly undermines Sloter at nearly every opportunity and reinforces that HE is the HMIC? Or...does he perceive Cousins as being too mentally skittish to handle Sloter being #2 without the buffer of Mannion between them?

Has his (job) insecurity made him too short-term of a thinker? Look at NE, most everything they do is with the long-term health of the team in mind, over time this has a positive snowball effect.

Disturbingly, Zimmer is reminding me of Childress with his "programmatic non-fit" type of comments when Moss was dumped and also his "tough guy" approach.

From a psychometric/mental health perspective: Have you noticed that the team not only seems to like to draft players who genuinely love the game and are highly intelligent, but are also not over-the-top narcissistic/toxic? This is great overall for team chemistry, but sometimes a very talented strong leader will march to his own drummer and the team will rally around him in a positive way and it is something the coach needs to be secure enough to handle without cutting off his nose to spite his face.

I don't think Zimmer is insecure at all. Just the opposite. He believes what he believes, and this is what I can appreciate, he really doesn't give a shit what you or I think about him.

WTS, he did get under my skin with the whole, "We need to run the ball more," fiasco.

I haven't been following too close yet but I'm bias towards giving Sloter his chance and that side of things from a distance, too.

...consider this, if New England wasnt such an dynasty under Bill B he would be labeled a smug control freak who is a total dick to the media and even his own players...

Winning makes everything look better...

It's a personality type. It comes from his wrestling background. See the Brands brothers from Iowa - many others as well.

Call 'em a dick all you want they're about winning and they don't give two shits about what you think about them - especially the message board version

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

I strongly doubt that Zimmer is making the call as to who our #2 QB is.

I don't. Zim is the final say and he has his guys that he likes for whatever reason. I don't think it matters one bit what side of the ball they are on. I think something about Sloter rubbed him the wrong way from the beginning and he never changed his mind.

Agreed.

Whispers I heard were his "study habits".

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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The #Vikings announced CB Mike Hughes has been removed from the physically unable to perform list. He spent time rehabbing his knee during training camp.

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
Mike Hughes cleared to practice and might have chance to play in Sept 8 opener vs Atlanta We will have to see how that goes.

Nice to hear that Hughes will be ready for game one or soon afterwards. People have been treating him missing time as if it were fact.

He may be needed to take Rhodes spot.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

The team is all in to win every year, this is what gets fans to buy in and spend their money...

I will agree that some key pieces are in place, but huge variables in all with yet again new O system and O line as well as a QB with unlimited upside in skill set yet a propensity to play down when the lights shine brightest...

The kicking game is a microcosm of team whole under Zimmmer and will define his legacy....

Who would you rather have coach this team? Who would you rather have at QB? What other GM do you want? Which kicker would you rather have here? If you are going to throw the negative spaghetti against the wall you better have ways to fix what you feel ills the team.

RAGnarok we haven't played one game yet and you are already done for this year.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

The team is all in to win every year, this is what gets fans to buy in and spend their money...

I will agree that some key pieces are in place, but huge variables in all with yet again new O system and O line as well as a QB with unlimited upside in skill set yet a propensity to play down when the lights shine brightest...

The kicking game is a microcosm of team whole under Zimmmer and will define his legacy....

Who would you rather have coach this team? Who would you rather have at QB? What other GM do you want? Which kicker would you rather have here? If you are going to throw the negative spaghetti against the wall you better have ways to fix what you feel ills the team.

RAGnarok we haven't played one game yet and you are already done for this year.

He's simply in mid-season form. Dude plays all his starters in all pre-season games. Pedal to the metal!

Speaking of which, where is cpa-in-a-can?

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

The team is all in to win every year, this is what gets fans to buy in and spend their money...

I will agree that some key pieces are in place, but huge variables in all with yet again new O system and O line as well as a QB with unlimited upside in skill set yet a propensity to play down when the lights shine brightest...

The kicking game is a microcosm of team whole under Zimmmer and will define his legacy....

Who would you rather have coach this team? Who would you rather have at QB? What other GM do you want? Which kicker would you rather have here? If you are going to throw the negative spaghetti against the wall you better have ways to fix what you feel ills the team.

RAGnarok we haven't played one game yet and you are already done for this year.

He's simply in mid-season form. Dude plays all his starters in all pre-season games. Pedal to the metal!

Speaking of which, where is cpa-in-a-can?

You guys make me laugh... live on an opinion board yet if the flavor and narrative of another poster isnt exactly to your linking its time to ridicule and name call...

All good with me, I got roasted for my comments from start to mid season on Quirk Cousins and then it just wasnt even worth talking about as the season flushed away all the way to the stinker that was the Bears game... But no worries, I will call it as I see it again this season and Im sure you and others will enjoy my contributions to this fine board where everyone has a voice no matter how sane or skewed it may be...

Im ready for some Viking's Football!

I see it going one of two ways this year... either on the plus side of 10 and 6 or on the negative side of 6 and 10 with a total flame out by the second year signal caller...

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: odin

I was wondering about some of Zimmer's motives recently and came up with some questions.

Why would he apparently rather have a lamb than a lion at QB? Perhaps having someone he perceives as a "gunslinger" at the QB position, even as the #2, creates the fear that his defense (his main identity, rather than the team as a whole?) might get put in bad positions and make him look like less of a guru. If the team (hypothetically) scores 56 more points and also allows 28 more points over a season as a result of the gunslinger's willingness to take measured risks, would he be happy with that?

Does Zimmer wants the team to rally around him and he's too insecure to handle his team rallying around/ responding to Sloter? Is that why he seemingly undermines Sloter at nearly every opportunity and reinforces that HE is the HMIC? Or...does he perceive Cousins as being too mentally skittish to handle Sloter being #2 without the buffer of Mannion between them?

Has his (job) insecurity made him too short-term of a thinker? Look at NE, most everything they do is with the long-term health of the team in mind, over time this has a positive snowball effect.

Disturbingly, Zimmer is reminding me of Childress with his "programmatic non-fit" type of comments when Moss was dumped and also his "tough guy" approach.

From a psychometric/mental health perspective: Have you noticed that the team not only seems to like to draft players who genuinely love the game and are highly intelligent, but are also not over-the-top narcissistic/toxic? This is great overall for team chemistry, but sometimes a very talented strong leader will march to his own drummer and the team will rally around him in a positive way and it is something the coach needs to be secure enough to handle without cutting off his nose to spite his face.

I don't think Zimmer is insecure at all. Just the opposite. He believes what he believes, and this is what I can appreciate, he really doesn't give a shit what you or I think about him.

WTS, he did get under my skin with the whole, "We need to run the ball more," fiasco.

I haven't been following too close yet but I'm bias towards giving Sloter his chance and that side of things from a distance, too.

...consider this, if New England wasnt such an dynasty under Bill B he would be labeled a smug control freak who is a total dick to the media and even his own players...

Winning makes everything look better...

It's a personality type. It comes from his wrestling background. See the Brands brothers from Iowa - many others as well.

Call 'em a dick all you want they're about winning and they don't give two shits about what you think about them - especially the message board version

Hey man, some wrestlers gotta lose, don't they? [8D]

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

The team is all in to win every year, this is what gets fans to buy in and spend their money...

I will agree that some key pieces are in place, but huge variables in all with yet again new O system and O line as well as a QB with unlimited upside in skill set yet a propensity to play down when the lights shine brightest...

The kicking game is a microcosm of team whole under Zimmmer and will define his legacy....

Who would you rather have coach this team? Who would you rather have at QB? What other GM do you want? Which kicker would you rather have here? If you are going to throw the negative spaghetti against the wall you better have ways to fix what you feel ills the team.

RAGnarok we haven't played one game yet and you are already done for this year.

He's simply in mid-season form. Dude plays all his starters in all pre-season games. Pedal to the metal!

Speaking of which, where is cpa-in-a-can?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

I strongly doubt that Zimmer is making the call as to who our #2 QB is.

I don't. Zim is the final say and he has his guys that he likes for whatever reason. I don't think it matters one bit what side of the ball they are on. I think something about Sloter rubbed him the wrong way from the beginning and he never changed his mind.

Agreed.

Whispers I heard were his "study habits".

Word on the grapevine is "alcohol".