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geoffrey greitzer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:21:07 PM)
Question? Who would you rather have? New QB or new HC

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:22:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Question? Who would you rather have? New QB or new HC HC 100%. No brainer for me.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:22:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Question? Who would you rather have? New QB or new HC That's easy for me. I think you all know my answer.

The Happy Norseman -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:26:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Question? Who would you rather have? New QB or new HC I'd take the HC, but I'd choose a new GM over both of them.

CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:37:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Chris Tomasson@christomasson Vikings owners Zygi and Mark Wilf both declined comment after the game They're signing the paychecks, so I would imagine they are a little concerned with their investment, i.e., this team. It's not even worth caring about who this team picks up until we have a staff in place that can get something out of them. Hopefully the Wilfs see it too. I'm hoping they are having those conversations right now. They've given a lot of bright shiny objects for this head coach to play with. They gave this team the "missing link" with tens of millions spent on a QB. They've listened to a GM who is incompetent at putting together an offensive line. And they just watched their investment digress into mediocrity. They're not stupid. I'm sure they are discussing some of these same issues. I agree. RS is like a stock broker who was managing a very wealthy client on how to spend approximately $100 million. He encouraged his client to dump about 85% of his funds into one "can't miss" investment. In four months time, $84 million spent on one pony has turned into an investment it would be difficult to get 50 cents on a dollar for the next two years.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:38:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Question? Who would you rather have? New QB or new HC I'd take the HC, but I'd choose a new GM over both of them. The GM who should be held in contempt for his O line mismanagement then followed up by plugging in a pocket passer behind such O line as well as the young gun OC that runs schemes that best utilize skill sets not possessed by said QB... That guy?

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:39:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Question? Who would you rather have? New QB or new HC HC 100%. No brainer for me. YUP

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:39:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Question? Who would you rather have? New QB or new HC I'd take the HC, but I'd choose a new GM over both of them. No reason you can't do both.

Dave Odle -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:41:17 PM)
It seems simple to me. He's an above average defensive coordinator who isn't effective as a HC. He wants a ground and pound offense and a stingy defense that translates into chewing the clock and keeping his defense fresh. The problem is that it grounds an offense that could be high flying and forces it to be something it's not.

CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:41:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: Dave Odle Cousins is worrisome. Did we just mortgage our future for a guy without the killer instinct? It sure looks that way. He just had no poise at all. You can't blame everything on your line. I would try really hard to draft a QB or sign a FA who can come in and lead this team if we need to bench him. Go get a real LT and leave O' Neill where he is. Then sign at least one G. Zimmer is the problem, IMO. It doesn't matter what he says. He can't make this right because he can't run and offense and he obviously can't see eye to eye w/ an offensive coordinator. It makes me wonder what Shurmer was able to do motivationally that was different in working w/ the players and Zimmer. I think it is time to start over. He can run the D as a coordinator or leave. Nobody would want him as a HC right now anyway. That's the thing, the oline is so awful that it can be argued that their ineptitude is responsible for the downfall of the entire team. It's too hard to tell if Cousins sucks, Zimmer sucks, etc. because the oline is so bad. Zimmer and Spielman aren't getting fired one year removed from the NFCCC. This team needs to get the oline fixed. Once that happens we'll all be able to tel if Cousins sucks, the OC sucks, or Zim sucks, or if we fix the oline and we're actually a viable Superbowl contender. If the Vikings are mediocre again next year then I suspect RS and Zim get shown the door. What does the oline have to do with a defense that continually gave up the score when our offense finally did something? The defense sucked when it mattered all season. Feels to me like players aren't buying in anymore. It appeared to me as if not ONE Vikings player came prepared to play today's game on either offense or defense. The ST were so removed from the game that there was no way to really tell how their performance ranked. It almost appeared as if the Vikings were trying to lose. And make no mistake about it, this team was just as awful during the first half of the Lions game the week before until the final three minutes of the first half. And the second TD was a Hail Mary pass on the last play of the second quarter.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:41:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Chris Tomasson@christomasson Vikings owners Zygi and Mark Wilf both declined comment after the game They're signing the paychecks, so I would imagine they are a little concerned with their investment, i.e., this team. It's not even worth caring about who this team picks up until we have a staff in place that can get something out of them. Hopefully the Wilfs see it too. I'm hoping they are having those conversations right now. They've given a lot of bright shiny objects for this head coach to play with. They gave this team the "missing link" with tens of millions spent on a QB. They've listened to a GM who is incompetent at putting together an offensive line. And they just watched their investment digress into mediocrity. They're not stupid. I'm sure they are discussing some of these same issues. I agree. RS is like a stock broker who was managing a very wealthy client on how to spend approximately $100 million. He encouraged his client to dump about 85% of his funds into one "can't miss" investment. In four months time, $84 million spent on one pony has turned into an investment it would be difficult to get 50 cents on a dollar for the next two years. I hope you do better math for your clients...

CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:44:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Chris Tomasson@christomasson Vikings owners Zygi and Mark Wilf both declined comment after the game They're signing the paychecks, so I would imagine they are a little concerned with their investment, i.e., this team. It's not even worth caring about who this team picks up until we have a staff in place that can get something out of them. Hopefully the Wilfs see it too. I'm hoping they are having those conversations right now. They've given a lot of bright shiny objects for this head coach to play with. They gave this team the "missing link" with tens of millions spent on a QB. They've listened to a GM who is incompetent at putting together an offensive line. And they just watched their investment digress into mediocrity. They're not stupid. I'm sure they are discussing some of these same issues. I agree. RS is like a stock broker who was managing a very wealthy client on how to spend approximately $100 million. He encouraged his client to dump about 85% of his funds into one "can't miss" investment. In four months time, $84 million spent on one pony has turned into an investment it would be difficult to get 50 cents on a dollar for the next two years. I hope you do better math for your clients... What the heck does this comment mean? Explain asshole

Viking Rich -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:47:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Zimm walks into Speilman’s office tomorrow and says “I know it’s early but I got some tape on some defensive guys in the draft that I would hate to let slip by in first round. I need Lots of talent to look good. “ Speilman “ well ok, menards has a sale on duct tape that will be good enough for the OL.” “BTW, send Prefier up, some of these senior kickers look good, I want his opinion.” [&:] Thanks for the laugh after a horrible game

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 9:48:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Russell Timmons quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Chris Tomasson@christomasson Vikings owners Zygi and Mark Wilf both declined comment after the game They're signing the paychecks, so I would imagine they are a little concerned with their investment, i.e., this team. It's not even worth caring about who this team picks up until we have a staff in place that can get something out of them. Hopefully the Wilfs see it too. I'm hoping they are having those conversations right now. They've given a lot of bright shiny objects for this head coach to play with. They gave this team the "missing link" with tens of millions spent on a QB. They've listened to a GM who is incompetent at putting together an offensive line. And they just watched their investment digress into mediocrity. They're not stupid. I'm sure they are discussing some of these same issues. I agree. RS is like a stock broker who was managing a very wealthy client on how to spend approximately $100 million. He encouraged his client to dump about 85% of his funds into one "can't miss" investment. In four months time, $84 million spent on one pony has turned into an investment it would be difficult to get 50 cents on a dollar for the next two years. I hope you do better math for your clients... What the heck does this comment mean? Explain asshole It means you have no idea what you're talking about. As usual. Cousins salary is nowhere near 85% of anything salary related. Nor would it hurt us as a team if we'd just simply make smarter decisions before, during and after it.

Viking Rich -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 10:02:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: Dave Odle Cousins is worrisome. Did we just mortgage our future for a guy without the killer instinct? It sure looks that way. He just had no poise at all. You can't blame everything on your line. I would try really hard to draft a QB or sign a FA who can come in and lead this team if we need to bench him. Go get a real LT and leave O' Neill where he is. Then sign at least one G. Zimmer is the problem, IMO. It doesn't matter what he says. He can't make this right because he can't run and offense and he obviously can't see eye to eye w/ an offensive coordinator. It makes me wonder what Shurmer was able to do motivationally that was different in working w/ the players and Zimmer. I think it is time to start over. He can run the D as a coordinator or leave. Nobody would want him as a HC right now anyway. That's the thing, the oline is so awful that it can be argued that their ineptitude is responsible for the downfall of the entire team. It's too hard to tell if Cousins sucks, Zimmer sucks, etc. because the oline is so bad. Zimmer and Spielman aren't getting fired one year removed from the NFCCC. This team needs to get the oline fixed. Once that happens we'll all be able to tel if Cousins sucks, the OC sucks, or Zim sucks, or if we fix the oline and we're actually a viable Superbowl contender. If the Vikings are mediocre again next year then I suspect RS and Zim get shown the door. I don't need the Oline to be addressed to know that Zimmer is constantly getting outcoached. Yes, the Oline has issues, but Zimmer looks completely lost on the sideline. Exhibit A: Calling for a stupid challenge on 4th and inches, wasting a TO, and nullifying a 1st down where your QB made the quick call and executed it. Meanwhile, Zimmer is busy looking for his red hanky, completely unaware what's going on

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 10:05:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Viking Rich quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: Dave Odle Cousins is worrisome. Did we just mortgage our future for a guy without the killer instinct? It sure looks that way. He just had no poise at all. You can't blame everything on your line. I would try really hard to draft a QB or sign a FA who can come in and lead this team if we need to bench him. Go get a real LT and leave O' Neill where he is. Then sign at least one G. Zimmer is the problem, IMO. It doesn't matter what he says. He can't make this right because he can't run and offense and he obviously can't see eye to eye w/ an offensive coordinator. It makes me wonder what Shurmer was able to do motivationally that was different in working w/ the players and Zimmer. I think it is time to start over. He can run the D as a coordinator or leave. Nobody would want him as a HC right now anyway. That's the thing, the oline is so awful that it can be argued that their ineptitude is responsible for the downfall of the entire team. It's too hard to tell if Cousins sucks, Zimmer sucks, etc. because the oline is so bad. Zimmer and Spielman aren't getting fired one year removed from the NFCCC. This team needs to get the oline fixed. Once that happens we'll all be able to tel if Cousins sucks, the OC sucks, or Zim sucks, or if we fix the oline and we're actually a viable Superbowl contender. If the Vikings are mediocre again next year then I suspect RS and Zim get shown the door. I don't need the Oline to be addressed to know that Zimmer is constantly getting outcoached. Yes, the Oline has issues, but Zimmer looks completely lost on the sideline. Exhibit A: Calling for a stupid challenge on 4th and inches, wasting a TO, and nullifying a 1st down where your QB made the quick call and executed it. Meanwhile, Zimmer is busy looking for his red hanky, completely unaware what's going on While a lot of his decisions were suspect today, that was excellent recognition by Cousins to see the gap in the Bears DLine over our Left Guard and to quickly run the play.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 10:10:49 PM)
Such a huge disappointment! Talk about being owned by Chicago in 2018! Is it true Zimmer really said to the sideline reporter coming out of the half that we needed to run the ball more? [sm=icon_neutral.gif] We would love to run the ball, Boss ... but first you need to fix the OL or we'll be doing this 3 & out thing until the cows come home. - Boy I am as guilty as anyone ignoring the fact that our OL was going to bring us down. And all the other roster spots filled with all that wonderful talent couldn't do a damn thing to stop it. - As an untrained observer I'd say this game was 90% on the OL (which includes everyone involved in putting it together). * My take on this mess is, I'm almost sad to say, Zimmer's persona is incapable of coexisting with an OC to the degree you need to to be successful - unless maybe you have a top 5 OL.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 10:32:59 PM)
Offseason goals. #1 Fire Spielman, hire new GM. #2 New GM fires Zimmer and coaching staff and replaces them. #3 Add 3 new OL. #4 Replace Rudolph with athletic pass catching TE #5 Find a #3 WR, Treadwell probably won't be cut due to cost, but he should be no higher than #5 and needs to play Special Teams if Active. A pity that Bebe was hurt so often. I think he could've been than quick little slot guy we needed. #6 Retain as many of Harris, Richardson, Johnson, Barr ,Waynes as is financially feasible, probably 2 or 3 of the 5. #7 Cut or renogatiate Sendejo (Cut), Rudolph, Griffen, Remmers, Waynes, to make above achievable. I'd probably cut all 5, but might keep Waynes, especially if Hughes won't be ready to start the season. #8 Fill in the cracks with low cost FA's or late round picks.

joejitsu -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 10:47:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Question? Who would you rather have? New QB or new HC New coach, GM, and staff. Kirk is a good to very good qb. We wrecked him by not giving him enough protection. That is a gm and coach issue, not a qb issue.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 11:03:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joejitsu quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Question? Who would you rather have? New QB or new HC New coach, GM, and staff. Kirk is a good to very good qb. We wrecked him by not giving him enough protection. That is a gm and coach issue, not a qb issue. Delusional... I buy the fact that poor OL, bad schemes from a temp OC and all doomed us, but Kirk has some issues as a QB that need addressed too... We did not cross the 50 until right before the half... Really? seriously? We never beat one team this year with a winning record for the season... Kirk tends to have same issues on his resume... Its not a aberration, stats be damned, he owns some really shitty tendencies that make one wonder if he can be "great". Its a reality... BUT nothing we can do but reshuffle the OL, hire some new coaches OC and OL and get some schemes and plays that best utilize his skill set... Then HOPEFULLY he can prove me and the "Kirk Sucks" crowd wrong... I would LOVE to be wrong...!

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 11:27:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Question? Who would you rather have? New QB or new HC QB

bgdavis -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 11:29:20 PM)
The OLine is a root cause of many of the teams offensive woes and potentially some on the defensive side as well (forcing the D back onto the field after 3 and outs). However, the inept OLine is itself a symptom of a broader problem that stems from poor coaching and bad GM decisions. Sadly, there's no evidence that the current GM and coaches have what it takes to correct the OLine issues. This team hasn't had a good OLine for nearly 2 decades. Expecting the current GM and coaching staff to suddenly change that trend and fix the OLine in one season seems far-fetched. Seriously, does anyone really think that Spielman, Zimmer and the other current staff have displayed an ability to build a decent OLine? The only way I see the OLine truly being addressed starts by replacing the GM with someone who is competent at building not just an OLine, but a playoff-caliber one, and then bringing in the necessary staff that can further solidify it with proper coaching and playcalling. Until they do that, there's little chance of the OLine actually getting this fixed.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 11:32:23 PM)
A new GM who can hire his choice of coach. Ed Dodds is a name that looks intriguing. Was involved in forming SEA in their hay day and now is assistant GM at INDY.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 11:43:27 PM)
2018 Draft: O-Line Corner O-Line Tight End O-Line Kicker O-Line Let go of Waynes, Remmers, Compton, Elflein, Treadwell, Robinson and Gideon. They all suck beyond belief. That's right, Elflein sucks! Pick up a tight end in free agency that chew gum and walk at the same time (a total upgrade over what we currently have). Cut the loser tight end with the long hair. Get a legit fullback in free agency. Sign Nick Foles. Cut Cousins.

bgdavis -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/30/2018 11:45:24 PM)
If they don't clean house entirely, I'd be OK with this strategy instead: 2019: New GM, New OC. Zimmer put on win-or-else notice. Top 3 draft picks: OL, OL, OL 2020: Possible new HC depending on how we fared in 2019. Top 3 draft picks: at least 1 OL 2021+: At least 1 OL in top 3 draft picks every single year since that's how to keep replenishing an OLine and ensure it has enough developing back-ups/subs for injuries, etc.

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