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Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 6:42:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty You're right Bruce, you aren't the first to say it, I was saying it right after the game last week, that the Bears would have been better off pulling their starters lat week and playing the Vikes this week, instead of the Eagles. And I wasn't the only one thinking it, probably many Viking fans were thinking it. I was texting my Bears fan buddy before the half, "What are you doing, youd much rather play the Vikings than Eagles next week." He thought theyd call off the dogs at half. Seriously, what team in the NFC would you least like to play in Chicago in Jan, even if it wasnt below zero

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 6:46:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Brad, that's a strong point regarding most qb's getting rid of the ball quicker in today's game. However, when a team is down late in the game that is when a pass rush becomes more valuable. QB's do hang on to the ball longer trying to make something happen. I still value a good pass rusher. But we're paying TWO 13 and 11ml next season. With the emergence of Weatherly I think the prudent thing to do is move on from the aging Griffin. unsure if he has much trade value at his age coupled with a rich contract. I think good DT's are paramount to stuff the run. I have no problems with having a great pass rusher. I just don't happen to think it's as great of a need as having great corners. A ton of average defensive linemen have been made to look great by having great corners. Not many corners have been made to look great because of a great defensive end. Bears corners in '85' and this year are one example off the top of my head. Carl Lee, Reggie Rutland(before he changed his name), Jimmie Hitchcock, Corey Fuller all looked great with stud pass rushers. Does anybody who isn't a diehard Viking fan know who these guys are. Most NE corners during their dynasty. Lee played in the 80's and early 90's, making three Pro Bowls. He was one of the top 3-4 corners the organization has ever had, and one could make an argument for him being the best ever. He, along with Isaac Holt and Joey Browner made for one of the best back ends in Vikings history. Nonetheless, the conversation was how football has changed into a passing league and how defensive linemen are now nearly irrelevant (IMO).

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 7:37:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Brad, that's a strong point regarding most qb's getting rid of the ball quicker in today's game. However, when a team is down late in the game that is when a pass rush becomes more valuable. QB's do hang on to the ball longer trying to make something happen. I still value a good pass rusher. But we're paying TWO 13 and 11ml next season. With the emergence of Weatherly I think the prudent thing to do is move on from the aging Griffin. unsure if he has much trade value at his age coupled with a rich contract. I think good DT's are paramount to stuff the run. I have no problems with having a great pass rusher. I just don't happen to think it's as great of a need as having great corners. A ton of average defensive linemen have been made to look great by having great corners. Not many corners have been made to look great because of a great defensive end. Bears corners in '85' and this year are one example off the top of my head. Carl Lee, Reggie Rutland(before he changed his name), Jimmie Hitchcock, Corey Fuller all looked great with stud pass rushers. Does anybody who isn't a diehard Viking fan know who these guys are. Most NE corners during their dynasty. Lee played in the 80's and early 90's, making three Pro Bowls. He was one of the top 3-4 corners the organization has ever had, and one could make an argument for him being the best ever. He, along with Isaac Holt and Joey Browner made for one of the best back ends in Vikings history. Nonetheless, the conversation was how football has changed into a passing league and how defensive linemen are now nearly irrelevant (IMO). Donald and Mack will probably 1-2 for DPOY. I doubt any CB will finish in Top 10. Yes. CBs are important. You need a lot of competent guys with teams going 4 wide alot of the time. But, to say that DLineman are irrelevant is crazy.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 7:41:23 AM)
I think Carl Lee was a very solid CB. But Doleman, Millard, Thomas and Noga made his job a lot easier.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 8:49:02 AM)
Doesn't matter if the truth was ultimately lay down and play the Vikings the following week...all they can do is figure the wound from laying down and then getting ousted by an upset would be worse than playing to win and letting things be what they will. Trying to be non objective they did the right thing.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 8:49:28 AM)
[&:] at the double doink though.

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 8:52:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M Doesn't matter if the truth was ultimately lay down and play the Vikings the following week...all they can do is figure the wound from laying down and then getting ousted by an upset would be worse than playing to win and letting things be what they will. Trying to be non objective they did the right thing. I don't get that attitude either... We all talk on here about needing to have some swagger and just punch the other team in the mouth... Except if it looks hard, then lay down and take the easy road?!?!? How about have the confidence to beat whoever is in front of you?

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 8:56:10 AM)
Obviously it's all in fun - sheesh to the high and mighty

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 9:01:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Brad, that's a strong point regarding most qb's getting rid of the ball quicker in today's game. However, when a team is down late in the game that is when a pass rush becomes more valuable. QB's do hang on to the ball longer trying to make something happen. I still value a good pass rusher. But we're paying TWO 13 and 11ml next season. With the emergence of Weatherly I think the prudent thing to do is move on from the aging Griffin. unsure if he has much trade value at his age coupled with a rich contract. I think good DT's are paramount to stuff the run. I have no problems with having a great pass rusher. I just don't happen to think it's as great of a need as having great corners. A ton of average defensive linemen have been made to look great by having great corners. Not many corners have been made to look great because of a great defensive end. Bears corners in '85' and this year are one example off the top of my head. Carl Lee, Reggie Rutland(before he changed his name), Jimmie Hitchcock, Corey Fuller all looked great with stud pass rushers. Does anybody who isn't a diehard Viking fan know who these guys are. Most NE corners during their dynasty. Lee played in the 80's and early 90's, making three Pro Bowls. He was one of the top 3-4 corners the organization has ever had, and one could make an argument for him being the best ever. He, along with Isaac Holt and Joey Browner made for one of the best back ends in Vikings history. Nonetheless, the conversation was how football has changed into a passing league and how defensive linemen are now nearly irrelevant (IMO). Donald and Mack will probably 1-2 for DPOY. I doubt any CB will finish in Top 10. Yes. CBs are important. You need a lot of competent guys with teams going 4 wide alot of the time. But, to say that DLineman are irrelevant is crazy. Awards mean nothing. They are mostly popularity contests. Corners are great when you never hear their names called.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 9:02:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson I think Carl Lee was a very solid CB. But Doleman, Millard, Thomas and Noga made his job a lot easier. It was a different era. You seem to be missing the whole point of the argument. Somebody in here catch him up. I've obviously failed to do so on three attempts.

CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 9:11:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson I just finished the Ravens- Chargers game. (I recorded it ) It was interesting how the Chargers should have scored a TD, but even with replay review it was ruled short. (Bad call.) The referee on the field ruled that it was down at the one yard line. Even after the replay it was spotted at the one. If it wasn't a TD it should have been at the one inch line. Then the next play there was a fumble near the goal line and it was run back for a TD, but it was ruled down at the 6 inch line. That would have been a TD if the ball was spotted properly from the play before, but amazingly it was ruled down and not a fumble. (so close, but correct call imo) Then on fourth down the Chargers scored. It just felt like it was so hard to score a TD on that Ravens defense. Their defense is good. (But they lost anyway.) Anyone else see it the way I did? Agreed! The non TD call was bad. The spot after non TD call was TERRIBLE. If that fumble into the endzone and return for Raven TD would have stood... wow, total game changer. Would have been furious if I was a Charger fan. That series probably decided the game... And then it happened again in the Bears-Eagles game on the 2 point conversion try. It was sooooo close to touching the line- but I do believe they got it right. Then, that field goal hit an upright and a cross bar. How close can you get and not win the game. I just want to say it, now, and perhaps I am not the first to say it: the Bears messed up by beating the Vikings last week. If they had just packed it in they would have got the Vikings and it would have been an easy win for them. What the Eagles have and the Vikings don't have is mental toughness. I think I'll be talking a lot about mental toughness this off-season. That's what the Vikings need. I also have to say that the Eagles have to be thanking their lucky stars. That was a close one. They were good- but they also were lucky. Mental toughness is a reflection of the coaching staff and Mike Zimmer is a wuss.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 9:23:18 AM)
I think Zimmer had a little chip on his shoulder from not getting HC interviews a few years ago, but that wore off over time. So Zimmer softened a little bit, then Soprano died, so the whole team softened more. But a great coach probably doesn't need to have a chip, he can cultivate toughness in his players, and puts them in positions to win with smartness. Zimmer is a good HC and DC, not great. He was great as a defensive backs coach, that was with Dallas, when Dallas was getting rings.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 9:35:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Obviously it's all in fun - sheesh to the high and mighty Who is high and mighty?

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 9:35:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Brad, that's a strong point regarding most qb's getting rid of the ball quicker in today's game. However, when a team is down late in the game that is when a pass rush becomes more valuable. QB's do hang on to the ball longer trying to make something happen. I still value a good pass rusher. But we're paying TWO 13 and 11ml next season. With the emergence of Weatherly I think the prudent thing to do is move on from the aging Griffin. unsure if he has much trade value at his age coupled with a rich contract. I think good DT's are paramount to stuff the run. I have no problems with having a great pass rusher. I just don't happen to think it's as great of a need as having great corners. A ton of average defensive linemen have been made to look great by having great corners. Not many corners have been made to look great because of a great defensive end. Bears corners in '85' and this year are one example off the top of my head. Carl Lee, Reggie Rutland(before he changed his name), Jimmie Hitchcock, Corey Fuller all looked great with stud pass rushers. Does anybody who isn't a diehard Viking fan know who these guys are. Most NE corners during their dynasty. Lee played in the 80's and early 90's, making three Pro Bowls. He was one of the top 3-4 corners the organization has ever had, and one could make an argument for him being the best ever. He, along with Isaac Holt and Joey Browner made for one of the best back ends in Vikings history. Nonetheless, the conversation was how football has changed into a passing league and how defensive linemen are now nearly irrelevant (IMO). Donald and Mack will probably 1-2 for DPOY. I doubt any CB will finish in Top 10. Yes. CBs are important. You need a lot of competent guys with teams going 4 wide alot of the time. But, to say that DLineman are irrelevant is crazy. Awards mean nothing. They are mostly popularity contests. Corners are great when you never hear their names called. No. Pro Bowls are popularity contests. DPOY is chosen by people who know what they are looking for.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 9:44:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson I think Carl Lee was a very solid CB. But Doleman, Millard, Thomas and Noga made his job a lot easier. It was a different era. You seem to be missing the whole point of the argument. Somebody in here catch him up. I've obviously failed to do so on three attempts. Nobody is going to back you. Who makes the Bears the great defense they are? Hicks and Mack or Amukamara and Fuller Who has lead the resurgence of the Dallas defense? Lawrence and the LBs or the secondary Philly defense goes as their DLine goes. Bosa and Ingram top dogs for Chargers, although Safety Derwin James might be the last piece to that puzzle.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 9:46:30 AM)
quote: The other three teams expected to get third-round compensatory picks are Washington (for losing Kirk Cousins They sign Smith/lose Cousins AND get a 3rd? **** that.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 10:13:23 AM)
I would take Cousins over Smith everyday of the week.

SoMnFan -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 10:42:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Freaking Philly lucky bastards Hopefully it continues next weekend I can't decide Eagles vs Saints. Do I want to get kicked or kneed in the groin? The least painful is going to be the Rams - we have to face it That's where I'm at I found myself rooting wildly for Philthy yesterday ... never thought I'd see that. (has to be the division familiarity issue) Because I hated the Eagles with red-hot passion. Until yesterday. I do know, however, that there is absolutely no way in holy hell I'd EVER want the Saints to win a game. I'd pull for the Russians first. or Al Qaeda. Hell, theres a slim chance I may even pull for the coughcoughcoughPackerscoughcough before those jackwagons. Rams give me no nausea. I'd be ok with good things happening to them. Payton and the rest of that shitball org can fall off the earth in my world.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 10:43:33 AM)
. . Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter Bears were +2 in turnovers Sunday vs. Eagles. Home teams that were +2 in the playoffs the past 40 years were 112-4.

CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 10:51:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Freaking Philly lucky bastards Hopefully it continues next weekend I can't decide Eagles vs Saints. Do I want to get kicked or kneed in the groin? The least painful is going to be the Rams - we have to face it That's where I'm at I found myself rooting wildly for Philthy yesterday ... never thought I'd see that. (has to be the division familiarity issue) Because I hated the Eagles with red-hot passion. Until yesterday. I do know, however, that there is absolutely no way in holy hell I'd EVER want the Saints to win a game. I'd pull for the Russians first. or Al Qaeda. Hell, theres a slim chance I may even pull for the coughcoughcoughPackerscoughcough before those jackwagons. Rams give me no nausea. I'd be ok with good things happening to them. Payton and the rest of that shitball org can fall off the earth in my world. Why do you hate the Saints so much? They seem to be a well schooled organization entirely UNLIKE the Vikings.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 10:54:56 AM)
I sometimes root against the refs, if it seems like they are biased in the 4th quarter, all the calls and non calls going one way, I then want their 'sway' messed up. And then I sometimes hope if the team getting screwed is really making plays, I hope the refs have to attempt to REALLY go far with it, or will they give up favoring that team.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 11:04:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: The other three teams expected to get third-round compensatory picks are Washington (for losing Kirk Cousins They sign Smith/lose Cousins AND get a 3rd? **** that. Traded for him. Gave up their best cornerback (which makes the deal lopsided in KC favor already) AND a third round pick (which will be higher than the comp pick received back). The Redskins tacked on a four-year deal that puts Smith under contract for five years at a cost of $111 million, of which $71 million is guaranteed. Really bad deal for Washington.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 11:05:39 AM)
Ryan Boser Retweeted Adam Levitan ‏ Verified account @adamlevitan 3h3 hours ago More The top-7 defenses in yards per play allowed are all dead. CHI: 1st BAL: 2nd BUF: 3rd MIN: 4th JAX: 5th PIT: 6th TEN: 7th 31 replies 69 retweets 239 likes Reply 31 Retweet 69 Like 239 Direct message

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 11:06:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Freaking Philly lucky bastards Hopefully it continues next weekend I can't decide Eagles vs Saints. Do I want to get kicked or kneed in the groin? The least painful is going to be the Rams - we have to face it That's where I'm at I found myself rooting wildly for Philthy yesterday ... never thought I'd see that. (has to be the division familiarity issue) Because I hated the Eagles with red-hot passion. Until yesterday. I do know, however, that there is absolutely no way in holy hell I'd EVER want the Saints to win a game. I'd pull for the Russians first. or Al Qaeda. Hell, theres a slim chance I may even pull for the coughcoughcoughPackerscoughcough before those jackwagons. Rams give me no nausea. I'd be ok with good things happening to them. Payton and the rest of that shitball org can fall off the earth in my world. Why do you hate the Saints so much? They seem to be a well schooled organization entirely UNLIKE the Vikings. Why do you hate the Vikings so much?

SoMnFan -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2019 11:08:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Ryan Boser Retweeted Adam Levitan ‏ Verified account @adamlevitan 3h3 hours ago More The top-7 defenses in yards per play allowed are all dead. CHI: 1st BAL: 2nd BUF: 3rd MIN: 4th JAX: 5th PIT: 6th TEN: 7th 31 replies 69 retweets 239 likes Reply 31 Retweet 69 Like 239 Direct message Everyone has loved that Bears D so much all year, they're all 'whatever' to me ... In crunchtime yesterday the Eagles shoved it right down their throats. They're as much to blame as the Bears very-average offense and their much-maligned kicker. Imo. I was much more impressed with Philly's tackling than with the Bears.

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