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twinsfan -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/18/2019 11:09:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stfrank quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: stfrank Six games in and a closed door, players only meeting after the game......like that will help anything. [&:] What did they do? Assemble the players, so that their captain could stand up and be stoic? According to Russo you could hear him being stoic behind the door. The only quote from after the meeting was from who else.......Zucker. "I think more than (a meeting's) going to have to jumpstart us to be honest with you,” the 27-year-old Jason Zucker said, per Russo. “It’s going to be each individual guy from Bruce on down. Bruce has got to be better. We’ve got to be better. Everybody’s got to be better. That’s it." “Honestly, I’ve never seen anything like it,” Zucker said about the team’s ability to concede tallies in bunches. “It’s like they score one goal and all of a sudden we decide let’s just give them two more and then we’ll start playing again. I don’t have an answer for it.” Wild defenceman Matt Dumba says the team has the players in the room capable of turning things around. “We all have to take a look in the mirror and kind of take some onus on our game and helping each other,” he said, per Russo. “We aren't going to get far if we don't come together here and it's going to be miserable like it is right now.”

kevinemmer -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/18/2019 11:31:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stfrank quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: stfrank Six games in and a closed door, players only meeting after the game......like that will help anything. [&:] What did they do? Assemble the players, so that their captain could stand up and be stoic? According to Russo you could hear him being stoic behind the door. The only quote from after the meeting was from who else.......Zucker. Problem is, our leaders are just mouth-pieces now, they can't lead by example because they are done, as in used up (Koivu, Staal, Parise, Sutes). Zucker should have some juice left, but he just seems too comfy with his current role to really turn it on and lead.

Karl Juhnke -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/18/2019 1:37:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer quote: ORIGINAL: stfrank quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: stfrank Six games in and a closed door, players only meeting after the game......like that will help anything. [&:] What did they do? Assemble the players, so that their captain could stand up and be stoic? According to Russo you could hear him being stoic behind the door. The only quote from after the meeting was from who else.......Zucker. Problem is, our leaders are just mouth-pieces now, they can't lead by example because they are done, as in used up (Koivu, Staal, Parise, Sutes). Zucker should have some juice left, but he just seems too comfy with his current role to really turn it on and lead. No kidding. Those 4 have been very expensive invisible men. Parise especially. Parise at his best was a hard working opportunistic guy who fed off of chances created by talented players surrounding him. But when surrounded by mediocrity and he's expected to be 'The Guy'...not to mention that he's older and slower...he disappears. Magic.

thebigo -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/18/2019 3:32:00 PM)
Is it time for a post-mortem thread yet?

stfrank -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/18/2019 5:54:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo Is it time for a post-mortem thread yet? Nah, there's a few of us here that will just keep on watching and hoping.....it's what we do.

stfrank -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/20/2019 8:51:46 AM)
From a tweet dated 10/17..... Tonight Darcy Kuemper (@dkuemps35) became the first goalie in franchise history to allow two or fewer goals in 12 consecutive starts. 🔥 Why is it they always seem to blossom once they leave the Wild?

SoMnFan -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 7:24:42 AM)
According to Russo you could hear him being stoic behind the door. Loved his one. Kudos All is good now! We won a game barely last night, against an average NHL team, playing twice in 20 hours. But it was glorious Parise and Zucker the "stars" [&o] Not. Hunt and Foligno remain the only two guys imo, who have earned a meal all year. The rest all feel sorry for themselves. "hot goalie' excuses abound. Pssst ….. not every goalie is playing out of his mind against us, because we're us …. Its funny we would think that.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 7:49:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan According to Russo you could hear him being stoic behind the door. Loved his one. Kudos All is good now! We won a game barely last night, against an average NHL team, playing twice in 20 hours. But it was glorious Parise and Zucker the "stars" [&o] Not. Hunt and Foligno remain the only two guys imo, who have earned a meal all year. The rest all feel sorry for themselves. "hot goalie' excuses abound. Pssst ….. not every goalie is playing out of his mind against us, because we're us …. Its funny we would think that. If we don't turn the puck over all the time we have a shot...who would have thunk it? Add Hartman to your meal ticket list Scott.

SoMnFan -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 8:04:29 AM)
Agreed Like Hartman A lot Especially when the media types want to blame him for our woes. "he turns the puck over" … Duh, yeah. Because he gets to it, at least. BB said as much last night … "yeah, we want to clean up his mistakes, but the guy does so much more good than bad" Bingo.

TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 8:50:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan According to Russo you could hear him being stoic behind the door. Loved his one. Kudos All is good now! We won a game barely last night, against an average NHL team, playing twice in 20 hours. But it was glorious Parise and Zucker the "stars" [&o] Not. Hunt and Foligno remain the only two guys imo, who have earned a meal all year. The rest all feel sorry for themselves. "hot goalie' excuses abound. Pssst ….. not every goalie is playing out of his mind against us, because we're us …. Its funny we would think that. If we don't turn the puck over all the time we have a shot...who would have thunk it? Add Hartman to your meal ticket list Scott. Add Kunin and Ek too.

SoMnFan -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 9:36:05 AM)
The list grows, but I'd agree on those two, as well Kunin has grown on me, seems like a winner who's pissed off he's losing Ek's showing the toughness and willingness we need as well

TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 9:40:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan The list grows, but I'd agree on those two, as well Kunin has grown on me, seems like a winner who's pissed off he's losing Ek's showing the toughness and willingness we need as well The issue is that all of the guys we mentioned will continue to languish on the 3rd and 4th lines, while guys who are solidly in decline like Koivu, Parise and Staal and an underachiever like Zucker will be top 6 and get all of the power play shifts.

SoMnFan -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 9:45:27 AM)
Exactly Those on our list have been the STARS But they are looked at as our grunts. When teams get upside down like that, its time to scrap the project.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 10:23:34 AM)
No reason to not have Mikko and Parise on the third line. Less Minutes and they should have less PP minutes. During our best seasons (just a couple/few ago) they were limited in the playoffs. Keep them rested....maybe just give them a game off now and then? Only reason to have them on the top two is showcasing for a trade.

TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 10:28:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer No reason to not have Mikko and Parise on the third line. Less Minutes and they should have less PP minutes. During our best seasons (just a couple/few ago) they were limited in the playoffs. Keep them rested....maybe just give them a game off now and then? Only reason to have them on the top two is showcasing for a trade. Show casing them for trades is pointless. They have full No Move contracts. Can't trade them ... can't waive them and send them to the minors ... can't leave them unprotected in a waiver draft .... just can't get rid of them unless they retire.

SoMnFan -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 12:34:59 PM)
Its funny how these Mn teams morph into each other over time This talk is similar to what we used to do in the Twins thread We all spent years trying to limit Mauer's at-bats and PT, while the sheep were all [:-] anytime something like that got mentioned I can tell you with complete certainty right now … there are a LARGE number of rabid Wild fans who would be speechless if they saw us talking this way about the two untouchables They are still considered our only elite players. (in their circles) Makes it impossible to talk to them about reducing or eliminating them. Walz kept droning on and on about keeping Mikko out there for the face offs in the final minutes. Off the top of my head, I'd say he won AT Best … one of the six he took Mn sports legends live off of perceived excellence in areas …. wayyyyyyyy longer than they should be allowed to. Neither Koivu or Parise is even average at their strengths at the current time. But people love them so deeply they cannot see truth or cold hard facts.

SoMnFan -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 12:38:27 PM)
Much like the crowd that still does the horrific DOOOOOOOOOOOB thing. It should be only in mocking, at this point. Decent players with game around here last a couple years and we easily move on Players who have some kind of special attachment or schtik with the fans, last forever here. Can't pry them out of their cold, dead, hands. Get these guys to accept reduced roles. or piss them off by sitting them. Lets see how long they keep that NTC attached to their name.

TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 12:38:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Its funny how these Mn teams morph into each other over time This talk is similar to what we used to do in the Twins thread We all spent years trying to limit Mauer's at-bats and PT, while the sheep were all [:-] anytime something like that got mentioned I can tell you with complete certainty right now … there are a LARGE number of rabid Wild fans who would be speechless if they saw us talking this way about the two untouchables They are still considered our only elite players. (in their circles) Makes it impossible to talk to them about reducing or eliminating them. Walz kept droning on and on about keeping Mikko out there for the face offs in the final minutes. Off the top of my head, I'd say he won AT Best … one of the six he took Mn sports legends live off of perceived excellence in areas …. wayyyyyyyy longer than they should be allowed to. Neither Koivu or Parise is even average at their strengths at the current time. But people love them so deeply they cannot see truth or cold hard facts. Here is the mythology about Mikko's face off winning percentage. He cheats constantly on the draw. He either gets away with and wins a high percentage of those or he gets booted from the face off (and he gets booted A LOT) and doesn't get tagged for it when a winger loses the draw in his place.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 1:29:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Its funny how these Mn teams morph into each other over time This talk is similar to what we used to do in the Twins thread We all spent years trying to limit Mauer's at-bats and PT, while the sheep were all [:-] anytime something like that got mentioned I can tell you with complete certainty right now … there are a LARGE number of rabid Wild fans who would be speechless if they saw us talking this way about the two untouchables They are still considered our only elite players. (in their circles) Makes it impossible to talk to them about reducing or eliminating them. Walz kept droning on and on about keeping Mikko out there for the face offs in the final minutes. Off the top of my head, I'd say he won AT Best … one of the six he took Mn sports legends live off of perceived excellence in areas …. wayyyyyyyy longer than they should be allowed to. Neither Koivu or Parise is even average at their strengths at the current time. But people love them so deeply they cannot see truth or cold hard facts. Here is the mythology about Mikko's face off winning percentage. He cheats constantly on the draw. He either gets away with and wins a high percentage of those or he gets booted from the face off (and he gets booted A LOT) and doesn't get tagged for it when a winger loses the draw in his place. Great point....I haven't paid much attention until the last game. I always thought he was good at Faceoffs but technology showed the faceoff enlarged and he was kicked out.

kevinemmer -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/21/2019 3:21:38 PM)
Mikko squared off legally at the dot happens as much as Mikko crashing the net or finishing a check....

Lynn G. -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/22/2019 8:55:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer No reason to not have Mikko and Parise on the third line. Less Minutes and they should have less PP minutes. During our best seasons (just a couple/few ago) they were limited in the playoffs. Keep them rested....maybe just give them a game off now and then? Only reason to have them on the top two is showcasing for a trade. Show casing them for trades is pointless. They have full No Move contracts. Can't trade them ... can't waive them and send them to the minors ... can't leave them unprotected in a waiver draft .... just can't get rid of them unless they retire. What about another scenario? Picture them WANTING to be traded because they see their chances for a Stanley Cup being with another team that just needs one more piece to take them to the top. In that situation they would waive their no trade clause, correct?

TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/22/2019 9:02:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynn G. quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer No reason to not have Mikko and Parise on the third line. Less Minutes and they should have less PP minutes. During our best seasons (just a couple/few ago) they were limited in the playoffs. Keep them rested....maybe just give them a game off now and then? Only reason to have them on the top two is showcasing for a trade. Show casing them for trades is pointless. They have full No Move contracts. Can't trade them ... can't waive them and send them to the minors ... can't leave them unprotected in a waiver draft .... just can't get rid of them unless they retire. What about another scenario? Picture them WANTING to be traded because they see their chances for a Stanley Cup being with another team that just needs one more piece to take them to the top. In that situation they would waive their no trade clause, correct? I don't see that either. Both Parise and Suter prioritized signing here so they could play close to home and be with their families year round. That seems to be a higher priority than the Cup.

Lynn G. -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/22/2019 9:06:41 AM)
That's true, about Parise and Suter. But who knows how dear a Stanley Cup would be to them? They're both strong competitors. I feel like I have to keep reminding people how in awe we were that July when we signed the two of them on the same day. We were hoping for one of the two, and that's all we dared hope for. When the news hit that we got both of them I think we all felt like we'd won the lottery. It's just interesting to me to read how angry people are with the front office of the Wild for having them on the team just a few short years later. It makes sense to decry the fact that their signing didn't lead to a Stanley Cup - yet - but to be ticked at the team for their very existence in Wild jerseys is weird.

David Levine -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/22/2019 12:00:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynn G. That's true, about Parise and Suter. But who knows how dear a Stanley Cup would be to them? They're both strong competitors. I feel like I have to keep reminding people how in awe we were that July when we signed the two of them on the same day. We were hoping for one of the two, and that's all we dared hope for. When the news hit that we got both of them I think we all felt like we'd won the lottery. It's just interesting to me to read how angry people are with the front office of the Wild for having them on the team just a few short years later. It makes sense to decry the fact that their signing didn't lead to a Stanley Cup - yet - but to be ticked at the team for their very existence in Wild jerseys is weird. It's called "regret". Sometimes you think you're making a good decision and it turns out to be horrible. It doesn't mean you have to hold to your original opinion. Also it can be referred to as "the history of the Minnesota Timberwolves organization"...

SoMnFan -> RE: Wild 2019/2020 Season (10/22/2019 12:44:15 PM)
Well said DL I think we've all gone thru our mea culpas on that huge move It was huge and it was exciting, and no one knows how it will play out. I guess at least we can say it gave us elevated expectations for many years. Its like lots of things in life, buy the fancy pretty sports car, and always need the pickup instead. Buy the big fancy house and then find out later your family used to be happier in that cute little starter house you had. Should be an interesting couple of years ahead, if nothing else. Definite regret, but nothing that we can immediately fix at this point.

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