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Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 7:21:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

This game is perfect example of how deflating a solid running game can be. The Packers defense is getting beat up front and there isn't a thing they can do to stop it. The 49er's have a solid game plan and when the Packers adjust, they counter, pretty cool to watch. Someone did their homework!

What a concept... Coaching actually game planning and in game adjustments on fly to counter... must have to pay extra for that, because its not available in our base coaching package we bought...




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 7:42:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

The Vikings entirely need to tank their seasons for a couple years in order to draft in the top three positions so they can draft a top notch college QB. They will never improve themselves with cut and paste QB. Being consistently mediocre is a sports franchise curse. There has be high and lows and the Vikings have their highs and lows all in the same season every year finishing somewhere slightly above the middle of the pack.


Sounds like the Wild, too.




Steve Lentz -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 7:45:00 PM)

A good OL is totally dominating the Packers.
Seems easy.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 7:57:53 PM)

I was thinking that it would be nice for the Vikings to have a fast running back like Mostert to complement Cook and Mattison. Looking at the draft prospects I didn't see one except for Ettiene. He may very well be gone before our second pick. I mean I wouldn't trade up for him or use a first rounder for a backup running back. I don't know if there are options in free agency. Maybe Matt Brieda, but his team is going to the Super Bowl so he will be overpriced. I thought Kareem Hunt was fast, but when I looked up his time in the 40 it didn't compare. I guess this idea won't work. Maybe in 2021.




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 8:49:24 PM)

SOOOOOO glad that smug F'er Rodgers and his team were exposed for what they were...




Karl Juhnke -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 8:50:25 PM)

Happy for the 49ers for several reasons:

They were a great story this year.

Packers lose.

49ers Chiefs make the most intriguing, best super bowl matchup.

If the Vikings are going to lose in the playoffs might as well be to the super bowl champs.




Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 8:50:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

SOOOOOO glad that smug F'er Rodgers and his team were exposed for what they were...

They got outclassed just as badly as we did if not a little worse. I liked it.




bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 8:53:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I was thinking that it would be nice for the Vikings to have a fast running back like Mostert to complement Cook and Mattison. Looking at the draft prospects I didn't see one except for Ettiene. He may very well be gone before our second pick. I mean I wouldn't trade up for him or use a first rounder for a backup running back. I don't know if there are options in free agency. Maybe Matt Brieda, but his team is going to the Super Bowl so he will be overpriced. I thought Kareem Hunt was fast, but when I looked up his time in the 40 it didn't compare. I guess this idea won't work. Maybe in 2021.

I think I saw he's going back to Clemson.




joejitsu -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 8:53:54 PM)

That was the type of football that Zim wants to play. Everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball, and you do it anyway with success. It's all about the oline. If we get better there, we should be tough to stop.




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 8:57:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joejitsu

That was the type of football that Zim wants to play. Everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball, and you do it anyway with success. It's all about the oline. If we get better there, we should be tough to stop.

And if that is the total mantra why then do the Kirk Cousins signing?

It shows just how inept and not on same page in visions the GM and Coach are...


Honestly CASE KEENUM could have had Garopolo stats today... Looking back if Case signs a team friendly deal because he is happy to stay where he just took team to NFCCG and we use the balance to sign some additional stud OL as well as sign/retain Richardson and then input Zimmer Ball mantra we may be somewhere the past two years and even if we were not its much easier to blow up than where we are now with Kirk...




Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 9:02:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

This game is perfect example of how deflating a solid running game can be. The Packers defense is getting beat up front and there isn't a thing they can do to stop it. The 49er's have a solid game plan and when the Packers adjust, they counter, pretty cool to watch. Someone did their homework!

What a concept... Coaching actually game planning and in game adjustments on fly to counter... must have to pay extra for that, because its not available in our base coaching package we bought...

What was your predicted score for the Vikings/Saints game?




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 9:09:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

This game is perfect example of how deflating a solid running game can be. The Packers defense is getting beat up front and there isn't a thing they can do to stop it. The 49er's have a solid game plan and when the Packers adjust, they counter, pretty cool to watch. Someone did their homework!

What a concept... Coaching actually game planning and in game adjustments on fly to counter... must have to pay extra for that, because its not available in our base coaching package we bought...

What was your predicted score for the Vikings/Saints game?

Is this some way to deflect from the obvious? I guess we all watch the games through differing eyes...

Again, 2019 offensive line failed us again....


Damn that same old weak spot, maybe we can shore it up and make a deeper run in 2020 [&o]




Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 9:16:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

This game is perfect example of how deflating a solid running game can be. The Packers defense is getting beat up front and there isn't a thing they can do to stop it. The 49er's have a solid game plan and when the Packers adjust, they counter, pretty cool to watch. Someone did their homework!

What a concept... Coaching actually game planning and in game adjustments on fly to counter... must have to pay extra for that, because its not available in our base coaching package we bought...

What was your predicted score for the Vikings/Saints game?

Is this some way to deflect from the obvious? I guess we all watch the games through differing eyes...

Again, 2019 offensive line failed us again....


Damn that same old weak spot, maybe we can shore it up and make a deeper run in 2020 [&o]

That would sure help.

Facts are we outcoached and outplayed NO and got manhandled by the 49ers. We went farther than 24 other coaching staffs and ran into a buzzsaw.

We would have had 12 wins if we didn't give away the last regular season game.




CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 9:37:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joejitsu

That was the type of football that Zim wants to play. Everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball, and you do it anyway with success. It's all about the oline. If we get better there, we should be tough to stop.

When will the Vikings ever get better on the O-line? The Vikings running game is easy to stop.




Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 9:48:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: joejitsu

That was the type of football that Zim wants to play. Everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball, and you do it anyway with success. It's all about the oline. If we get better there, we should be tough to stop.

When will the Vikings ever get better on the O-line? The Vikings running game is easy to stop.

Dalvin didn't average over 4 yards a carry in a game since Oct 24th or something like that. If we want to play Parcells ball we better be drafting some Olinemen early and often.




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/19/2020 9:51:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: joejitsu

That was the type of football that Zim wants to play. Everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball, and you do it anyway with success. It's all about the oline. If we get better there, we should be tough to stop.

When will the Vikings ever get better on the O-line? The Vikings running game is easy to stop.

The thing is "that type of football" is not the only game plan the Niners use.

See, the Niners and their coaching staff gameplan for opponents and then make in game adjustments to use those strengths to beat their opponents. Where as the Vikings get set on a mantra and seem to want to beat a square peg into a round hole no matter the situation.

Checking stats for 2019 it looks like Garopolo actually had more completions than Kirk for the season and also same or slightly higher completion percentage.

So its not like they just lean fully on one game plan, but when the do choose their weapons they are very good at getting most out of those attacks, keeping defenses off balance and adjusting with the flow of the game ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL...

They do have a pretty decent defense as well to complement this...


So well they did play a version of what Zimmer would like to run on O to beat the Packers, as a team they executed in all phases a much better game plan than anything the Vikings threw at the Packers this season and it showed.




Dana Turner -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/20/2020 1:06:53 AM)

OK, so where are we as a team and is that window still slightly open. Well first, I think we have to look at what it will take to get us HFA in the playoffs, because I think that is where you have the best shot with Cousins as your guy. So, finishing at the #1 or #2 seed, what will it take.

1.) One to two more pieces for the offensive line. I believe Bradbury is the kind of guy that will take the advice of the people around him and put on the extra 20 pounds of muscle and be in a much better position to compete next year. You couple that with getting him a nasty LG next to him, a guy that can take over the offensive line with fire and attitude. I feel that Kline and O'Neil play fine next to each other and a stronger, smarter Bradbury only makes that side that much better. I am not sure if finding that LG I spoke of earlier, will be enough for Reiff, he played OK, but I think we have seen his best, so if we can get a guy that will be better than him, we should. I don't think you replace him just to replace him, he wasn't that big of a liability.

2.) Coaching needs to understand how to get the most out of Cousins. Sounds simple, but hear me out. Cousins had his best year as a pro, that means something. The scheme is the correct one for him. Problem is, the offensive line needs to play at very good level against every team or Cousins turns in to "bad Kirt". What we need to do is scheme the alternate offense for Kirt that takes advantage of what the defense is giving him when they go all out to stop the run and work him through that. In the all 22, when our offensive line was getting schooled this year, I still saw openings that didn't get used by Kirt, we need to better understand this and be working with him on the sideline. I believe he is one of those guys that needs to be more involved on the sideline, someone needs to be working with him when it's not going well, or he has too much time to be thinking, "oh shit, here it goes again". Fixing the offensive line will be a big help, but you also have to fix the thoughts that create "bad Kirt".

3.) Improve our push up the middle. Not sure if they found that answer in the first game of the playoffs, that was nice to see on passing downs, but that line-up won't hold against the run. We need a new space eater up front, maybe a young big man coming off his rookie deal like Linval was when we got him, but we need a big, young, strong man to take Linvals spot as Linval simply is a shell of his former self. A former self, I might add, that I loved watching and appreciate all he did for the Vikings. I like the small sample sizes I saw from Watts, I believe he will be a good one, JJ is OK in spurts, but you can't pay the big money to LJ or Stephen. Stephen is due over 7 million, not sure that works.

4.) This could be a surprising Junior class declaring for the draft, lots of talk about a lot of guys coming out. If that's the case, our #25 pick should land us a real solid CB prospect. Rhodes, Waynes can go. We need to sign Mac and draft a CB right out the gate. Pay Harris, restructure Smith so that he will be a Viking for the rest of his carrier. Say thank you to Griffin if he's not willing to take a pay cut, and why should he? I am real proud of what he did this year, but as Zimmer said, "it's a young mans game". Rudolph should also be let go, it's just time to move on. (He can go to New England for a couple years)

5.) Possible trade bait. Diggs, Barr or Cook. Not sure I'd like any of them to go, but I'd entertain offers/possibilities for the right players. I love Cook, but if the offensive line can improve as much next year as they did this year, Mattison and Boone and a draft pick could be just about as productive. I'm not saying get rid of Cook, only saying that if a top flight O-line guy was part of a deal, I'd look at it. I'd rather see Diggs go, but we are pretty fat at RB right now, could be an interesting prospect.

Some very hard choices are going to have to be made if this team is going to be competitive next year (competitive enough to get home field). We wee a 10-6 team with the 9th easiest schedule the Vikings have every had. It won't be so easy next year and we need to be much better to compete. It's either this, or tank for a couple of 4-12 seasons to start a rebuild project. Nobody wants that, well.... [:)]




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/20/2020 2:16:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I was thinking that it would be nice for the Vikings to have a fast running back like Mostert to complement Cook and Mattison. Looking at the draft prospects I didn't see one except for Ettiene. He may very well be gone before our second pick. I mean I wouldn't trade up for him or use a first rounder for a backup running back. I don't know if there are options in free agency. Maybe Matt Brieda, but his team is going to the Super Bowl so he will be overpriced. I thought Kareem Hunt was fast, but when I looked up his time in the 40 it didn't compare. I guess this idea won't work. Maybe in 2021.

I think I saw he's going back to Clemson.


That's right. I was reading about him as a prospect, but that site needed the update about him. Maybe next year.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/20/2020 2:23:27 AM)

The Patriots seem to be casting off good players from time to time before they decline. It feels like the Vikings need to do some of that.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/20/2020 7:13:23 AM)

Been a lot of talk about the 9er dline but how about that oline?

They simply manhandled a Packer front 7 that our oline couldn't block at all.

Kittle (a TE) was often matched up on LaDarius Smith and took care of business. A guy neither Elf nor Bradbury could block.

Depressing




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/20/2020 7:20:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

OK, so where are we as a team and is that window still slightly open. Well first, I think we have to look at what it will take to get us HFA in the playoffs, because I think that is where you have the best shot with Cousins as your guy. So, finishing at the #1 or #2 seed, what will it take.

1.) One to two more pieces for the offensive line. I believe Bradbury is the kind of guy that will take the advice of the people around him and put on the extra 20 pounds of muscle and be in a much better position to compete next year. You couple that with getting him a nasty LG next to him, a guy that can take over the offensive line with fire and attitude. I feel that Kline and O'Neil play fine next to each other and a stronger, smarter Bradbury only makes that side that much better. I am not sure if finding that LG I spoke of earlier, will be enough for Reiff, he played OK, but I think we have seen his best, so if we can get a guy that will be better than him, we should. I don't think you replace him just to replace him, he wasn't that big of a liability.

2.) Coaching needs to understand how to get the most out of Cousins. Sounds simple, but hear me out. Cousins had his best year as a pro, that means something. The scheme is the correct one for him. Problem is, the offensive line needs to play at very good level against every team or Cousins turns in to "bad Kirt". What we need to do is scheme the alternate offense for Kirt that takes advantage of what the defense is giving him when they go all out to stop the run and work him through that. In the all 22, when our offensive line was getting schooled this year, I still saw openings that didn't get used by Kirt, we need to better understand this and be working with him on the sideline. I believe he is one of those guys that needs to be more involved on the sideline, someone needs to be working with him when it's not going well, or he has too much time to be thinking, "oh shit, here it goes again". Fixing the offensive line will be a big help, but you also have to fix the thoughts that create "bad Kirt".

3.) Improve our push up the middle. Not sure if they found that answer in the first game of the playoffs, that was nice to see on passing downs, but that line-up won't hold against the run. We need a new space eater up front, maybe a young big man coming off his rookie deal like Linval was when we got him, but we need a big, young, strong man to take Linvals spot as Linval simply is a shell of his former self. A former self, I might add, that I loved watching and appreciate all he did for the Vikings. I like the small sample sizes I saw from Watts, I believe he will be a good one, JJ is OK in spurts, but you can't pay the big money to LJ or Stephen. Stephen is due over 7 million, not sure that works.

4.) This could be a surprising Junior class declaring for the draft, lots of talk about a lot of guys coming out. If that's the case, our #25 pick should land us a real solid CB prospect. Rhodes, Waynes can go. We need to sign Mac and draft a CB right out the gate. Pay Harris, restructure Smith so that he will be a Viking for the rest of his carrier. Say thank you to Griffin if he's not willing to take a pay cut, and why should he? I am real proud of what he did this year, but as Zimmer said, "it's a young mans game". Rudolph should also be let go, it's just time to move on. (He can go to New England for a couple years)

5.) Possible trade bait. Diggs, Barr or Cook. Not sure I'd like any of them to go, but I'd entertain offers/possibilities for the right players. I love Cook, but if the offensive line can improve as much next year as they did this year, Mattison and Boone and a draft pick could be just about as productive. I'm not saying get rid of Cook, only saying that if a top flight O-line guy was part of a deal, I'd look at it. I'd rather see Diggs go, but we are pretty fat at RB right now, could be an interesting prospect.

Some very hard choices are going to have to be made if this team is going to be competitive next year (competitive enough to get home field). We wee a 10-6 team with the 9th easiest schedule the Vikings have every had. It won't be so easy next year and we need to be much better to compete. It's either this, or tank for a couple of 4-12 seasons to start a rebuild project. Nobody wants that, well.... [:)]


Add to your list a fast guy (like Alderick Robinson)---find someone like Hardman in the draft with speed---PR/KR/5th WR that Cousins can just let fly when needed.




ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/20/2020 8:16:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joejitsu

That was the type of football that Zim wants to play. Everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball, and you do it anyway with success. It's all about the oline. If we get better there, we should be tough to stop.


Maybe they should actually invest heavily in the line year after year if that is what he wants.


Vikings problem is they want to run and draft and spend differently.




CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/20/2020 8:22:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

OK, so where are we as a team and is that window still slightly open. Well first, I think we have to look at what it will take to get us HFA in the playoffs, because I think that is where you have the best shot with Cousins as your guy. So, finishing at the #1 or #2 seed, what will it take.

1.) One to two more pieces for the offensive line. I believe Bradbury is the kind of guy that will take the advice of the people around him and put on the extra 20 pounds of muscle and be in a much better position to compete next year. You couple that with getting him a nasty LG next to him, a guy that can take over the offensive line with fire and attitude. I feel that Kline and O'Neil play fine next to each other and a stronger, smarter Bradbury only makes that side that much better. I am not sure if finding that LG I spoke of earlier, will be enough for Reiff, he played OK, but I think we have seen his best, so if we can get a guy that will be better than him, we should. I don't think you replace him just to replace him, he wasn't that big of a liability.

2.) Coaching needs to understand how to get the most out of Cousins. Sounds simple, but hear me out. Cousins had his best year as a pro, that means something. The scheme is the correct one for him. Problem is, the offensive line needs to play at very good level against every team or Cousins turns in to "bad Kirt". What we need to do is scheme the alternate offense for Kirt that takes advantage of what the defense is giving him when they go all out to stop the run and work him through that. In the all 22, when our offensive line was getting schooled this year, I still saw openings that didn't get used by Kirt, we need to better understand this and be working with him on the sideline. I believe he is one of those guys that needs to be more involved on the sideline, someone needs to be working with him when it's not going well, or he has too much time to be thinking, "oh shit, here it goes again". Fixing the offensive line will be a big help, but you also have to fix the thoughts that create "bad Kirt".

3.) Improve our push up the middle. Not sure if they found that answer in the first game of the playoffs, that was nice to see on passing downs, but that line-up won't hold against the run. We need a new space eater up front, maybe a young big man coming off his rookie deal like Linval was when we got him, but we need a big, young, strong man to take Linvals spot as Linval simply is a shell of his former self. A former self, I might add, that I loved watching and appreciate all he did for the Vikings. I like the small sample sizes I saw from Watts, I believe he will be a good one, JJ is OK in spurts, but you can't pay the big money to LJ or Stephen. Stephen is due over 7 million, not sure that works.

4.) This could be a surprising Junior class declaring for the draft, lots of talk about a lot of guys coming out. If that's the case, our #25 pick should land us a real solid CB prospect. Rhodes, Waynes can go. We need to sign Mac and draft a CB right out the gate. Pay Harris, restructure Smith so that he will be a Viking for the rest of his carrier. Say thank you to Griffin if he's not willing to take a pay cut, and why should he? I am real proud of what he did this year, but as Zimmer said, "it's a young mans game". Rudolph should also be let go, it's just time to move on. (He can go to New England for a couple years)

5.) Possible trade bait. Diggs, Barr or Cook. Not sure I'd like any of them to go, but I'd entertain offers/possibilities for the right players. I love Cook, but if the offensive line can improve as much next year as they did this year, Mattison and Boone and a draft pick could be just about as productive. I'm not saying get rid of Cook, only saying that if a top flight O-line guy was part of a deal, I'd look at it. I'd rather see Diggs go, but we are pretty fat at RB right now, could be an interesting prospect.

Some very hard choices are going to have to be made if this team is going to be competitive next year (competitive enough to get home field). We wee a 10-6 team with the 9th easiest schedule the Vikings have every had. It won't be so easy next year and we need to be much better to compete. It's either this, or tank for a couple of 4-12 seasons to start a rebuild project. Nobody wants that, well.... [:)]

The Vikings are on the declining side of mediocre. They are the poster child of a 9-7 team next season.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/20/2020 8:33:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

OK, so where are we as a team and is that window still slightly open. Well first, I think we have to look at what it will take to get us HFA in the playoffs, because I think that is where you have the best shot with Cousins as your guy. So, finishing at the #1 or #2 seed, what will it take.

1.) One to two more pieces for the offensive line. I believe Bradbury is the kind of guy that will take the advice of the people around him and put on the extra 20 pounds of muscle and be in a much better position to compete next year. You couple that with getting him a nasty LG next to him, a guy that can take over the offensive line with fire and attitude. I feel that Kline and O'Neil play fine next to each other and a stronger, smarter Bradbury only makes that side that much better. I am not sure if finding that LG I spoke of earlier, will be enough for Reiff, he played OK, but I think we have seen his best, so if we can get a guy that will be better than him, we should. I don't think you replace him just to replace him, he wasn't that big of a liability.

2.) Coaching needs to understand how to get the most out of Cousins. Sounds simple, but hear me out. Cousins had his best year as a pro, that means something. The scheme is the correct one for him. Problem is, the offensive line needs to play at very good level against every team or Cousins turns in to "bad Kirt". What we need to do is scheme the alternate offense for Kirt that takes advantage of what the defense is giving him when they go all out to stop the run and work him through that. In the all 22, when our offensive line was getting schooled this year, I still saw openings that didn't get used by Kirt, we need to better understand this and be working with him on the sideline. I believe he is one of those guys that needs to be more involved on the sideline, someone needs to be working with him when it's not going well, or he has too much time to be thinking, "oh shit, here it goes again". Fixing the offensive line will be a big help, but you also have to fix the thoughts that create "bad Kirt".

3.) Improve our push up the middle. Not sure if they found that answer in the first game of the playoffs, that was nice to see on passing downs, but that line-up won't hold against the run. We need a new space eater up front, maybe a young big man coming off his rookie deal like Linval was when we got him, but we need a big, young, strong man to take Linvals spot as Linval simply is a shell of his former self. A former self, I might add, that I loved watching and appreciate all he did for the Vikings. I like the small sample sizes I saw from Watts, I believe he will be a good one, JJ is OK in spurts, but you can't pay the big money to LJ or Stephen. Stephen is due over 7 million, not sure that works.

4.) This could be a surprising Junior class declaring for the draft, lots of talk about a lot of guys coming out. If that's the case, our #25 pick should land us a real solid CB prospect. Rhodes, Waynes can go. We need to sign Mac and draft a CB right out the gate. Pay Harris, restructure Smith so that he will be a Viking for the rest of his carrier. Say thank you to Griffin if he's not willing to take a pay cut, and why should he? I am real proud of what he did this year, but as Zimmer said, "it's a young mans game". Rudolph should also be let go, it's just time to move on. (He can go to New England for a couple years)

5.) Possible trade bait. Diggs, Barr or Cook. Not sure I'd like any of them to go, but I'd entertain offers/possibilities for the right players. I love Cook, but if the offensive line can improve as much next year as they did this year, Mattison and Boone and a draft pick could be just about as productive. I'm not saying get rid of Cook, only saying that if a top flight O-line guy was part of a deal, I'd look at it. I'd rather see Diggs go, but we are pretty fat at RB right now, could be an interesting prospect.

Some very hard choices are going to have to be made if this team is going to be competitive next year (competitive enough to get home field). We wee a 10-6 team with the 9th easiest schedule the Vikings have every had. It won't be so easy next year and we need to be much better to compete. It's either this, or tank for a couple of 4-12 seasons to start a rebuild project. Nobody wants that, well.... [:)]

The Vikings are on the declining side of mediocre. They are the poster child of a 9-7 team next season.


I don't agree...they aren't declining yet; still one of the most talented teams in the league.




Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/20/2020 8:34:53 AM)

Lot's of talk about why we can't we be this or that, so let's just take a look at the last 6 SB teams, and perhaps which one we most closely resemble.

Kansas City - A team much like us, mired in mediocrity for years, kind had competitive team with Alex Smith at QB, but not true shot to make the big dance. Hit the jackpot in the NFL draft at QB (either no, not a top 10 pick), also elite skill players (at least at WR and TE), good enough D, lot of speed in front 7, can create havoc especially at home. One of the best offensive minds in the game at HC, and a very good DC.

San Fran - many very bad seasons in a row, but hired a gm who was going to build a defense up front (no D does not start at the corners). Lynch knew how TB was built, and SF built much the same way. this is an elite front 7, the kind that can carry a team to the Sb. Our defense is not even close to this talent level. The NFL changes quickly with injuries and FA, etc. (look at vaunted Bears D), but has a chance to be very elite for the next 2 to 3 years.

New England - all time great QB, all time great Coach (a little bit of cheating)

Los Angeles - A team much like us, some talent in areas, but deficiencies as well. A gift call @ NO helped for sure. Rode an all time great season from Aaron Donald, one of the true difference makers on D in the NFL. Solid in many areas, a QB who played well for a short period of time, but a lot people are skeptical about ability to win under pressure (kind of like Cousins). also had a secondary playing well in Peters and Talib, before they fell off the map fast.

New England - duh

Philadelphia - seemed to catch lightening in a bottle with a back up QB, rode the underdog mantra all the way. Home field advantage probably helped greatly. had a good team for sure in many areas, but not really elite, probably pass rush was best asset.


So in summary, there are lots of ways to get there. I personally wish we spend a 1st round pick on a QB this year. This is a loaded draft with very good talents going in the back half of the 1st round. When KC landed Mahomes that changed their fortune for the next decade. Look at where Lamar Jackson was drafted, and the future of that Baltimore team
For all we know this will be Cousins last season here. He's shown little upside, and I doubt he's in a great negotiating position at the moment.
I guess it possible they extend him for salary cap purposes, but I"m sure will be structure so as they can part ways in the future with a huge cap hit.

I see us more in the LA/Philly model, we need to catch lightening in a bottle, get fortunate a few games and get that home field advantage. Even if the OL improves next year, so much capital will be put towards that, areas like the D line and secondary will still be voids.

I do like the idea of trading a Diggs and/or Cook. One thing you do not see in those teams above are great/elite skill people. at RB/WR.
I would rather have a balanced team than studs at WR/RB.

Lots of folks think Bradbury will be "fine".....I guess kind of like Treadwell was going to be "fine" as well, eh?




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