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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

Rhodes in the pro bowl.


So there is that

Wowzers. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has more credibility than the NFL Pro Bowl.

It should. Total Apples and Oranges comparison here.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

If Kirk Cousins has OCD does his over the top need to control every aspect of his play have an outcome on his performance on the field?

He plans out his day in 15 minute increments every day. He has a spreadsheet for it.

This may explain why in a football game when things go off schedule why he panics.. Its clear he stresses out showing huge anxiety on his face when things dont go as planned.

Also would have a role in time games are played. Creatures of habit, people with OCD often struggle with changes in routine, such as say start times, for instance a Monday Night game changing his entire routine to prepare.

BTW, not made up shit... google KIRK COUSINS OCD

I think I'll Google "Ragnarök Obsession" instead...

If you call it obsession to understand why your franchise QB who your team invested highly in to get OVER THE TOP and may be contemplating extending to further years of same... THEN YES... guess that I am... A true fan who obsesses over the details that allow my favorite team to be competitive with the only outcome cared about winning the Super Bowl....

How about this take on topic?

Kirk Cousins's play at the very end of losing games or when he is under assault is actually much better then his play at the beginning of games or when he has time. When he no longer has the option to think and is purely in the "fight or flight" mode his skills and decision making are elevated, when this is going on he has nothing to lose and no time to contemplate. Some on here claim he is scared which I disagree with, the fact that he stays in the pocket trying to extend the play foolishly indicates he is not afraid of contact. It appears that he is processing to much information on the conscious level instead of unconscious level. If he is afraid of anything its letting others down and this fear creates a hesitation, paralysis of analysis. Could this be overcome? Yes but super ****ing hard and the participant would need to be all in. Also the final outcome would have negative side effects in so much that the people in his life would most likely not like the "New" Kirk. Newtons third law, "for every action there is a equal and opposite reaction". Basically the kind and caring Kirk would become seeming callous. This is how Rodgers and Brady come off, aloof. And you don't have to be a prick to be aloof.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

I would be more interested in your plan moving forward.

We all know your evaluation of Kirk

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

If Kirk Cousins has OCD does his over the top need to control every aspect of his play have an outcome on his performance on the field?

He plans out his day in 15 minute increments every day. He has a spreadsheet for it.

This may explain why in a football game when things go off schedule why he panics.. Its clear he stresses out showing huge anxiety on his face when things dont go as planned.

Also would have a role in time games are played. Creatures of habit, people with OCD often struggle with changes in routine, such as say start times, for instance a Monday Night game changing his entire routine to prepare.

BTW, not made up shit... google KIRK COUSINS OCD

I think I'll Google "Ragnarök Obsession" instead...

If you call it obsession to understand why your franchise QB who your team invested highly in to get OVER THE TOP and may be contemplating extending to further years of same... THEN YES... guess that I am... A true fan who obsesses over the details that allow my favorite team to be competitive with the only outcome cared about winning the Super Bowl....

How about this take on topic?

Kirk Cousins's play at the very end of losing games or when he is under assault is actually much better then his play at the beginning of games or when he has time. When he no longer has the option to think and is purely in the "fight or flight" mode his skills and decision making are elevated, when this is going on he has nothing to lose and no time to contemplate. Some on here claim he is scared which I disagree with, the fact that he stays in the pocket trying to extend the play foolishly indicates he is not afraid of contact. It appears that he is processing to much information on the conscious level instead of unconscious level. If he is afraid of anything its letting others down and this fear creates a hesitation, paralysis of analysis. Could this be overcome? Yes but super ****ing hard and the participant would need to be all in. Also the final outcome would have negative side effects in so much that the people in his life would most likely not like the "New" Kirk. Newtons third law, "for every action there is a equal and opposite reaction". Basically the kind and caring Kirk would become seeming callous. This is how Rodgers and Brady come off, aloof. And you don't have to be a prick to be aloof.

You're more the fan that would stand outside his house trying to get a glimpse through an open window. Your posting history is a masterclass in obsession. Some 12 year-old in Wisconsin could write a Facebook post about Cousins sucking and you'd rush here to re-post it.

Dude, you've said your own kids think its unhealthy...

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

If Kirk Cousins has OCD does his over the top need to control every aspect of his play have an outcome on his performance on the field?

He plans out his day in 15 minute increments every day. He has a spreadsheet for it.

This may explain why in a football game when things go off schedule why he panics.. Its clear he stresses out showing huge anxiety on his face when things dont go as planned.

Also would have a role in time games are played. Creatures of habit, people with OCD often struggle with changes in routine, such as say start times, for instance a Monday Night game changing his entire routine to prepare.

BTW, not made up shit... google KIRK COUSINS OCD

I think I'll Google "Ragnarök Obsession" instead...

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: drviking

I would be more interested in your plan moving forward.

We all know your evaluation of Kirk

My plan? Gee, lets see... does my plan even matter to our GM? well maybe he could get Tom Bradys agents number, as well as check in with free agents Tannehill and Keenum! maybe even call up ol buddy Teddy and see how things are going... Also heard that Chargers were giving up on Rivers... we know what Brees went on to do post Chargers...


Lets be real, Its Cousins and now it looks like talk of extending him as Rick looks to justify the move and create much needed cap space to even be relevant in filling holes. Last ditch effor by lame duck GM may tie us longer term to Kirk beyond said GMs tenure...

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: drviking

I would be more interested in your plan moving forward.

We all know your evaluation of Kirk

My plan? Gee, lets see... does my plan even matter to our GM? well maybe he could get Tom Bradys agents number, as well as check in with free agents Tannehill and Keenum! maybe even call up ol buddy Teddy and see how things are going... Also heard that Chargers were giving up on Rivers... we know what Brees went on to do post Chargers...


Lets be real, Its Cousins and now it looks like talk of extending him as Rick looks to justify the move and create much needed cap space to even be relevant in filling holes. Last ditch effor by lame duck GM may tie us longer term to Kirk beyond said GMs tenure...

You almost made it without mentioning Cousins.

Brady maybe

Obviously we have to find a trade for our pro bowl QB

Not interested in Rivers

Tannehill is same as cousins

Teddy supposedly was upset about letting him go, so he is not likely to be back

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ORIGINAL: drviking

Rhodes in the pro bowl.


So there is that

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Keenum and many QBs do many similar "brain activity" Keenum does hours of VR.

Maybe research what others do so there is a basis of comparison?

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Keenum and many QBs do many similar "brain activity" Keenum does hours of VR.

Maybe research what others do so there is a basis of comparison?

I know what QBs do to feel they are getting a competitive edge, I clearly post a link above showing Brady does much of what Kirk does... That wasnt my real motive to say he does these things, its more so to understand that maybe the level he takes it isnt helping, possibly tormenting him to overthink far too much.

It is real that he is hot and cold, good Kirk and Bad Kirk, it seems to translate some to in game elements but far surpasses shitty OL play making him panic. Its something else, the dynamic alone of winning percentage playing a normal Sunday day game as compared to non regular start time games is REAL. And its not correlative to the record of W/L of team he is playing.

I have been very heavy handed and outspoken in my disdain for the Vikings signing Kirk from the start and it was heavily based on this variable that seems to dictate his play and ability to be consistant. Yes he can be a great QB and have incredible stats, make dazzling plays... But something in how ge is wired is always there ready to derail it all... Its just hard to justify that in a franchize QB and continue to go all in.

Everyone has their own opinions on Kirk Cousins. I myself dont see him as getting us to the end game.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: drviking

I would be more interested in your plan moving forward.

We all know your evaluation of Kirk

My plan? Gee, lets see... does my plan even matter to our GM? well maybe he could get Tom Bradys agents number, as well as check in with free agents Tannehill and Keenum! maybe even call up ol buddy Teddy and see how things are going... Also heard that Chargers were giving up on Rivers... we know what Brees went on to do post Chargers...


Lets be real, Its Cousins and now it looks like talk of extending him as Rick looks to justify the move and create much needed cap space to even be relevant in filling holes. Last ditch effor by lame duck GM may tie us longer term to Kirk beyond said GMs tenure...

You almost made it without mentioning Cousins.

Brady maybe

Obviously we have to find a trade for our pro bowl QB

Not interested in Rivers

Tannehill is same as cousins

Teddy supposedly was upset about letting him go, so he is not likely to be back

Tannehill doesn't reach the open market. Rivers is a TO machince and couldn't rollout to save his life. Brady is going to be 44?

Its an exercise in futility. With 31M - we cant afford two high priced QBs. I guess we could trade and then sign. And revamp our offense to accommodate, just when we finally got a career year out of Cousins. But it would technically "be a plan".

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Keenum and many QBs do similar "brain activities". Keenum does hours of VR.

Maybe research what others do so there is a basis of comparison?

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Keenum and many QBs do many similar "brain activity" Keenum does hours of VR.

Maybe research what others do so there is a basis of comparison?

I know what QBs do to feel they are getting a competitive edge, I clearly post a link above showing Brady does much of what Kirk does... That wasnt my real motive to say he does these things, its more so to understand that maybe the level he takes it isnt helping, possibly tormenting him to overthink far too much.

It is real that he is hot and cold, good Kirk and Bad Kirk, it seems to translate some to in game elements but far surpasses shitty OL play making him panic. Its something else, the dynamic alone of winning percentage playing a normal Sunday day game as compared to non regular start time games is REAL. And its not correlative to the record of W/L of team he is playing.

I have been very heavy handed and outspoken in my disdain for the Vikings signing Kirk from the start and it was heavily based on this variable that seems to dictate his play and ability to be consistant. Yes he can be a great QB and have incredible stats, make dazzling plays... But something in how ge is wired is always there ready to derail it all... Its just hard to justify that in a franchize QB and continue to go all in.

Everyone has their own opinions on Kirk Cousins. I myself dont see him as getting us to the end game.

My analysis is pretty simple. When Kirk has time - he's elite. When he doesn't - he's not. Like almost every other QB not named Mahomes and Wilson.

Blah blah "most time in nfl". It's a garbage stat since we roll out at one of the highest frequency. I would love to see how much time Cousins has/takes in straight drop back situations. We still look pretty atrocious in pass blocking in those situations.

I wanted Cousins. Still do. Kyle Shanahan mourned when they resigned Jimmy G - ending the option to sign with Cousins. McVay almost got a tampering charge he was so enthusiastic when asked about Cousins prior to him hitting the market.

I take a lot more stock in guys that have coached with him and turned Jimmy G and Goff into Superbowl starting QBs than anyone else's opinion.

To me it's upgrade the oline, another year in the system, and improve game/opponent scheming. I think we can win with Cousins.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: drviking

I would be more interested in your plan moving forward.

We all know your evaluation of Kirk

My plan? Gee, lets see... does my plan even matter to our GM? well maybe he could get Tom Bradys agents number, as well as check in with free agents Tannehill and Keenum! maybe even call up ol buddy Teddy and see how things are going... Also heard that Chargers were giving up on Rivers... we know what Brees went on to do post Chargers...


Lets be real, Its Cousins and now it looks like talk of extending him as Rick looks to justify the move and create much needed cap space to even be relevant in filling holes. Last ditch effor by lame duck GM may tie us longer term to Kirk beyond said GMs tenure...

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ORIGINAL: drviking

i would not extend kirk. i would not extend Zim.

i would not panic if they do extend kirk

I think there is a way to get the prize with kirk, I do not think it will be BECAUSE of kirk, it might have to be a 9ers-ish type plan

get more Oline

i have said the last 3 years, this team will go as far as the Oline takes us


it will be interesting to see what happens with Defense this offseason


we do have to find a way to replace a probowl CB[&:]

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ORIGINAL: drviking

i would not extend kirk. i would not extend Zim.

i would not panic if they do extend kirk

I think there is a way to get the prize with kirk, I do not think it will be BECAUSE of kirk, it might have to be a 9ers-ish type plan

get more Oline

i have said the last 3 years, this team will go as far as the Oline takes us


it will be interesting to see what happens with Defense this offseason


we do have to find a way to replace a probowl CB[&:]

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: drviking

i would not extend kirk. i would not extend Zim.

i would not panic if they do extend kirk

I think there is a way to get the prize with kirk, I do not think it will be BECAUSE of kirk, it might have to be a 9ers-ish type plan

get more Oline

i have said the last 3 years, this team will go as far as the Oline takes us


it will be interesting to see what happens with Defense this offseason


we do have to find a way to replace a probowl CB[&:]

No doubt about OL and DL strengths needed...

GM and HC should be under heavy scrutiny in their final year.

Im OK (YES REALLY) with extending Kirk to more years out with a heavy prorated signing bonus and low 2020 cap number. BUT this would have to be a more traditional type NFL contract with voidable or garbage numbers at end of contract as all other QBs get. Not this fully guaranteed contract with no trade clause stuff, that is just not sustainable to this teams well being at this point. I think that will be a huge sticking point between this GM and Agent for Kirk in any deal being made this year and Kirk has shown he has no problem playing on year to year deals in his past.

AS FOR OUR PROBOWL DB... does that mean we can get more in trade for him now?

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: drviking

i would not extend kirk. i would not extend Zim.

i would not panic if they do extend kirk

I think there is a way to get the prize with kirk, I do not think it will be BECAUSE of kirk, it might have to be a 9ers-ish type plan

get more Oline

i have said the last 3 years, this team will go as far as the Oline takes us


it will be interesting to see what happens with Defense this offseason


we do have to find a way to replace a probowl CB[&:]

No doubt about OL and DL strengths needed...

GM and HC should be under heavy scrutiny in their final year.

Im OK (YES REALLY) with extending Kirk to more years out with a heavy prorated signing bonus and low 2020 cap number. BUT this would have to be a more traditional type NFL contract with voidable or garbage numbers at end of contract as all other QBs get. Not this fully guaranteed contract with no trade clause stuff, that is just not sustainable to this teams well being at this point. I think that will be a huge sticking point between this GM and Agent for Kirk in any deal being made this year and Kirk has shown he has no problem playing on year to year deals in his past.

AS FOR OUR PROBOWL DB... does that mean we can get more in trade for him now?