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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: Ush

My $.02

1. Cousins is like Ponder 2.0. No pocket presence and scared to throw INT’s so he becomes Checkdown Charlie. How many targets to Ham?? If we knew we were gonna use him that much we should have kept Blasingame.

2. Not saying the oline was good yesterday but Cousins had time to throw in the 1st half but took too long to make his reads. After halftime the sideline reporter said that Zimmer told her Cousins needed to not hold onto the ball so long. Shortly after that he was strip sacked by Mack.

3. There should be a TE on whatever side Mack lines up.....every....single....play

4. I don’t mind Zimmer not saying much after the game when it comes to evaluating individual players. He made it clear that he wasn’t happy with Cousins’ play. Said they talked about ball security the night before. That being said, we needed an explanation on that inexplicable TO call at the end of the half that gifted the Bears 3 points.

5, Also, Zimmer needs to explain why the corners were playing so soft. He wouldn’t elaborate during his press conference. Isn’t he in charge of the defense?!?

6. Irv Smith looks very good. He should be starting over Rudolph

7. I feel like I’ve been saying this for years but where are the offensive adjustments. Stefanski hasn’t been able to put a solid game plan together when playing a good defense. Seems to have no answers. If that is because of Cousins just not executing then okay. But I think it’s a combination of both.

8. These games are almost unwatchable because of all the flags and reviews. The NFL needs to do something soon.

9. I really think Rhodes is done. In the least, he is not a guy that should be following around the other team’s top WR anymore. He got toasted vs. GB and this week was no better.

10. Chase Daniels? We let him sustain long drives against our vaunted defense?

11. We are a different team at home. On the road we are just plain crap. Anyone thinking we are gonna walk into NJ and win easy next week isn’t paying attention. Every thing was lined up perfectly for us vs. the Bears. No Watts, no Smith, no Nichols, no Gabriel and their starting QB goes down on the first drive. Imagine us losing Linval, Griffin, Kendricks, Thielen and Mannnion trotting out there. Would we still dominate the other team?

Great summary! Not much I could add for my own $0.02.

I don't think XR is done.

We needed a few of those double-A-gap blitzes. Our plan was to force CHI to dink and dunk....and they were happy to do just that. Control the clock, wear down the defense, negate our pass rush....

Our game plan on offense should have been much more based on spreading them out and hitting them with slants and drags.

Bradbury Egg struggled again. Missed a couple of huge blocks on screens that would have gone a long ways. Bull rushed on others.

Speaking of bull-rushed, Cook got trucked on one play bad.

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ORIGINAL: Ush

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: Ush

My $.02

1. Cousins is like Ponder 2.0. No pocket presence and scared to throw INT’s so he becomes Checkdown Charlie. How many targets to Ham?? If we knew we were gonna use him that much we should have kept Blasingame.

2. Not saying the oline was good yesterday but Cousins had time to throw in the 1st half but took too long to make his reads. After halftime the sideline reporter said that Zimmer told her Cousins needed to not hold onto the ball so long. Shortly after that he was strip sacked by Mack.

3. There should be a TE on whatever side Mack lines up.....every....single....play

4. I don’t mind Zimmer not saying much after the game when it comes to evaluating individual players. He made it clear that he wasn’t happy with Cousins’ play. Said they talked about ball security the night before. That being said, we needed an explanation on that inexplicable TO call at the end of the half that gifted the Bears 3 points.

5, Also, Zimmer needs to explain why the corners were playing so soft. He wouldn’t elaborate during his press conference. Isn’t he in charge of the defense?!?

6. Irv Smith looks very good. He should be starting over Rudolph

7. I feel like I’ve been saying this for years but where are the offensive adjustments. Stefanski hasn’t been able to put a solid game plan together when playing a good defense. Seems to have no answers. If that is because of Cousins just not executing then okay. But I think it’s a combination of both.

8. These games are almost unwatchable because of all the flags and reviews. The NFL needs to do something soon.

9. I really think Rhodes is done. In the least, he is not a guy that should be following around the other team’s top WR anymore. He got toasted vs. GB and this week was no better.

10. Chase Daniels? We let him sustain long drives against our vaunted defense?

11. We are a different team at home. On the road we are just plain crap. Anyone thinking we are gonna walk into NJ and win easy next week isn’t paying attention. Every thing was lined up perfectly for us vs. the Bears. No Watts, no Smith, no Nichols, no Gabriel and their starting QB goes down on the first drive. Imagine us losing Linval, Griffin, Kendricks, Thielen and Mannnion trotting out there. Would we still dominate the other team?

Great summary! Not much I could add for my own $0.02.

I don't think XR is done.

We needed a few of those double-A-gap blitzes. Our plan was to force CHI to dink and dunk....and they were happy to do just that. Control the clock, wear down the defense, negate our pass rush....

Our game plan on offense should have been much more based on spreading them out and hitting them with slants and drags.

Bradbury Egg struggled again. Missed a couple of huge blocks on screens that would have gone a long ways. Bull rushed on others.

Speaking of bull-rushed, Cook got trucked on one play bad.

Saying Rhodes is done might have been too strong. Done as a top-rated, follow the #1 WR around the field guy is more along the lines of what I was thinking. He can still play and is very physical/good tackler, but has trouble staying with elite WR’s.

I think our best line is with Kline healthy and Dozier replacing Elflein. I think that would help Bradbury. Having Elf next to him hurts IMO.

That play with Cook was brutal. They showed an earlier play where the LB just faked and went around him. I think he was expecting that again and got knocked on his butt.

One other thing I forgot to add. Teams are chipping on Hunter and Griffin is taking advantage of being singled but we seem to be getting zero push up the middle. We coulda used a guy like Suh next to Linval. It’s hard to have an elite D without getting any pressure in the QB’s face.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

I watched some of the Giants game yesterday. It's hard to overestimate how important it is for a team, both on offense and defense, to have hope in their QB. Unlike in the last couple of years with Manning at QB, the intensity of the entire team was up the game. Probably because they knew that if they played well, their QB could lead them to victory. The Vikings are in that exact position right now. Kirk is our Eli. A bad veteran QB that inspires no faith in his team, so they don't play up to their potential. The Vikings are going to lose some players next year, but will remain largely intact. Hopefully, there will be a new regime running the show and on draft day they do whatever it takes to get a top QB in the draft. As a fan it would be nice to at least have some hope that the Vikings can get to the Superbowl. Under Cousins, Spielman and Zimmer, there is no hope, just another 8-8 season in store.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Todays QB must be of strong resolve and on page with his OC and coaching, they must game plan and execute at a high degree in the passing game. There must be a total commitment between play caller and QB to trust one another and understand that there is a given freedom to audible out of a play at seconds notice and shift to something the signal caller sees as a better option to what the defense is showing in seconds pre snap.

We dont have this... its multi phases of fault to blame... Zimmer is a control freak, and it shows with his systems and mantra...

Flip tried to install some things, hell even Case went off the sheet and did his own thing and it drove Zimm nuts... wins be damned... Zimmer needs total control and total uniformity to his vision...

Thats what we have this year, likely Zimmers final year, is totally Zimmers vision...

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

I watched some of the Giants game yesterday. It's hard to overestimate how important it is for a team, both on offense and defense, to have hope in their QB. Unlike in the last couple of years with Manning at QB, the intensity of the entire team was up the game. Probably because they knew that if they played well, their QB could lead them to victory. The Vikings are in that exact position right now. Kirk is our Eli. A bad veteran QB that inspires no faith in his team, so they don't play up to their potential. The Vikings are going to lose some players next year, but will remain largely intact. Hopefully, there will be a new regime running the show and on draft day they do whatever it takes to get a top QB in the draft. As a fan it would be nice to at least have some hope that the Vikings can get to the Superbowl. Under Cousins, Spielman and Zimmer, there is no hope, just another 8-8 season in store.

Excellent post!!!

In 2017 you could see it in the team that they believed in Keenum. While he certainly isn't a franchise qb the team really rallied around his toughness and grit. It was in plain display when Keenum replaced a hobbled Bradford in that Chi game when they clearly came to life when he took over in the 2nd half and rallied us to victory.

Nobody believes in Cousins at this point.

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ORIGINAL: Ush

My $.02

1. Cousins is like Ponder 2.0. No pocket presence and scared to throw INT’s so he becomes Checkdown Charlie. How many targets to Ham?? If we knew we were gonna use him that much we should have kept Blasingame.

2. Not saying the oline was good yesterday but Cousins had time to throw in the 1st half but took too long to make his reads. After halftime the sideline reporter said that Zimmer told her Cousins needed to not hold onto the ball so long. Shortly after that he was strip sacked by Mack.

3. There should be a TE on whatever side Mack lines up.....every....single....play

4. I don’t mind Zimmer not saying much after the game when it comes to evaluating individual players. He made it clear that he wasn’t happy with Cousins’ play. Said they talked about ball security the night before. That being said, we needed an explanation on that inexplicable TO call at the end of the half that gifted the Bears 3 points.

5, Also, Zimmer needs to explain why the corners were playing so soft. He wouldn’t elaborate during his press conference. Isn’t he in charge of the defense?!?

6. Irv Smith looks very good. He should be starting over Rudolph

7. I feel like I’ve been saying this for years but where are the offensive adjustments. Stefanski hasn’t been able to put a solid game plan together when playing a good defense. Seems to have no answers. If that is because of Cousins just not executing then okay. But I think it’s a combination of both.

8. These games are almost unwatchable because of all the flags and reviews. The NFL needs to do something soon.

9. I really think Rhodes is done. In the least, he is not a guy that should be following around the other team’s top WR anymore. He got toasted vs. GB and this week was no better.

10. Chase Daniels? We let him sustain long drives against our vaunted defense?

11. We are a different team at home. On the road we are just plain crap. Anyone thinking we are gonna walk into NJ and win easy next week isn’t paying attention. Every thing was lined up perfectly for us vs. the Bears. No Watts, no Smith, no Nichols, no Gabriel and their starting QB goes down on the first drive. Imagine us losing Linval, Griffin, Kendricks, Thielen and Mannnion trotting out there. Would we still dominate the other team?

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

I watched some of the Giants game yesterday. It's hard to overestimate how important it is for a team, both on offense and defense, to have hope in their QB. Unlike in the last couple of years with Manning at QB, the intensity of the entire team was up the game. Probably because they knew that if they played well, their QB could lead them to victory. The Vikings are in that exact position right now. Kirk is our Eli. A bad veteran QB that inspires no faith in his team, so they don't play up to their potential. The Vikings are going to lose some players next year, but will remain largely intact. Hopefully, there will be a new regime running the show and on draft day they do whatever it takes to get a top QB in the draft. As a fan it would be nice to at least have some hope that the Vikings can get to the Superbowl. Under Cousins, Spielman and Zimmer, there is no hope, just another 8-8 season in store.

Excellent post!!!

In 2017 you could see it in the team that they believed in Keenum. While he certainly isn't a franchise qb the team really rallied around his toughness and grit. It was in plain display when Keenum replaced a hobbled Bradford in that Chi game when they clearly came to life when he took over in the 2nd half and rallied us to victory.

Nobody believes in Cousins at this point.

A plus evaluation, and it goes even deeper in that no one believes in Cousins and sees that the coaching staff is incapable of fixing anything, as well as same coaching staff was in total disdain over what they had with Case...

Both Zimmer and Cousins can be key pieces in a productive team, but its not working right now and the team knows it across the board with players.

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The first drive of the game....we recover a fumble but Harris gets called for Illegal contact and I believe we recovered another fumble later in the drive but there is a penalty. Just snake bitten.

We had the ball 2 or 3 times in the first half. Diggs fumbled to end one and I believe we punted on the other.

The problem with Cousins isn't that he is a check down Charlie....with the Bears you have to spread them out and get the ball out in 2 seconds....their DLine is that good. We did that finally on our 2nd to last drive of the game. Their weakness is their corners....we took no advantage of them. They don't give you time to throw deep.

Stepanski/Kubiak's offense is to run the ball and throw it deep....well when you are against a good DL you don't have time....go 4 wide early and wear the Dline out with quick passes outs and slants. Why keep running it into the middle? You may have to use the 2 minute drill on your first drive.

The game changer for the Bears is Mack...you don't put him anyone on an island on long passes. Quick hitters maybe.

On the road you have to get some momentum, turn the tide. We were starting to get momentum and then Diggs fumbled....other than that we didn't get any momentum until the drive we scored late 4th quarter.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

I watched some of the Giants game yesterday. It's hard to overestimate how important it is for a team, both on offense and defense, to have hope in their QB. Unlike in the last couple of years with Manning at QB, the intensity of the entire team was up the game. Probably because they knew that if they played well, their QB could lead them to victory. The Vikings are in that exact position right now. Kirk is our Eli. A bad veteran QB that inspires no faith in his team, so they don't play up to their potential. The Vikings are going to lose some players next year, but will remain largely intact. Hopefully, there will be a new regime running the show and on draft day they do whatever it takes to get a top QB in the draft. As a fan it would be nice to at least have some hope that the Vikings can get to the Superbowl. Under Cousins, Spielman and Zimmer, there is no hope, just another 8-8 season in store.

Excellent post!!!

In 2017 you could see it in the team that they believed in Keenum. While he certainly isn't a franchise qb the team really rallied around his toughness and grit. It was in plain display when Keenum replaced a hobbled Bradford in that Chi game when they clearly came to life when he took over in the 2nd half and rallied us to victory.

Nobody believes in Cousins at this point.

A plus evaluation, and it goes even deeper in that no one believes in Cousins and sees that the coaching staff is incapable of fixing anything, as well as same coaching staff was in total disdain over what they had with Case...

Both Zimmer and Cousins can be key pieces in a productive team, but its not working right now and the team knows it across the board with players.

That's a good point. I think both of them together is failure before launch.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

I watched some of the Giants game yesterday. It's hard to overestimate how important it is for a team, both on offense and defense, to have hope in their QB. Unlike in the last couple of years with Manning at QB, the intensity of the entire team was up the game. Probably because they knew that if they played well, their QB could lead them to victory. The Vikings are in that exact position right now. Kirk is our Eli. A bad veteran QB that inspires no faith in his team, so they don't play up to their potential. The Vikings are going to lose some players next year, but will remain largely intact. Hopefully, there will be a new regime running the show and on draft day they do whatever it takes to get a top QB in the draft. As a fan it would be nice to at least have some hope that the Vikings can get to the Superbowl. Under Cousins, Spielman and Zimmer, there is no hope, just another 8-8 season in store.

Exactly! How many idiots on TV were saying it would be no different with Jones in there? I swear some of the dumbest people get paid a lot to say the dumbest things. Now the team is getting some hope meanwhile our hope is dwindling. Anyone could see the Giants players had given up while manning was in there. Heck now they're winning with Barkley out. Says a lot about the importance of the qb.

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If Theilen and Diggs start chirping full throttle to the media I think at that point you have full meltdown.

They can’t bench Cousins because Zimm and Speilman both know they are fired when they do that.

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If Theilen and Diggs start chirping full throttle to the media I think at that point you have full meltdown.

They can’t bench Cousins because Zimm and Speilman both know they are fired when they do that.

Thielen is already chirping:

Adam Thielen: "At some point, you're not going to be able to run the ball for 180 yards, even with the best running back in the NFL. That's when you have to be able to throw the ball. ... You have to be able to hit the deep balls."

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

If Theilen and Diggs start chirping full throttle to the media I think at that point you have full meltdown.

They can’t bench Cousins because Zimm and Speilman both know they are fired when they do that.

Thielen is already chirping:

Adam Thielen: "At some point, you're not going to be able to run the ball for 180 yards, even with the best running back in the NFL. That's when you have to be able to throw the ball. ... You have to be able to hit the deep balls."

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

If Theilen and Diggs start chirping full throttle to the media I think at that point you have full meltdown.

They can’t bench Cousins because Zimm and Speilman both know they are fired when they do that.

Thielen is already chirping:

Adam Thielen: "At some point, you're not going to be able to run the ball for 180 yards, even with the best running back in the NFL. That's when you have to be able to throw the ball. ... You have to be able to hit the deep balls."

I saw that, he is starting, another loss with poor QB play will likely open flood gates.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

If Theilen and Diggs start chirping full throttle to the media I think at that point you have full meltdown.

They can’t bench Cousins because Zimm and Speilman both know they are fired when they do that.

Thielen is already chirping:

Adam Thielen: "At some point, you're not going to be able to run the ball for 180 yards, even with the best running back in the NFL. That's when you have to be able to throw the ball. ... You have to be able to hit the deep balls."

I saw that, he is starting, another loss with poor QB play will likely open flood gates.

Its unfortunate because this regime has been quick to get a rid of the vocal player or one who didnt conform to system. anyone who dared question the great ZIMM... even coaches like Norv and Flip found themselves on wrong end...

How will this work out for players? its going to get ugly for sure before it ends in flames...

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

If Theilen and Diggs start chirping full throttle to the media I think at that point you have full meltdown.

They can’t bench Cousins because Zimm and Speilman both know they are fired when they do that.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

If Theilen and Diggs start chirping full throttle to the media I think at that point you have full meltdown.

They can’t bench Cousins because Zimm and Speilman both know they are fired when they do that.

Thielen is already chirping:

Adam Thielen: "At some point, you're not going to be able to run the ball for 180 yards, even with the best running back in the NFL. That's when you have to be able to throw the ball. ... You have to be able to hit the deep balls."

I saw that, he is starting, another loss with poor QB play will likely open flood gates.

Its unfortunate because this regime has been quick to get a rid of the vocal player or one who didnt conform to system. anyone who dared question the great ZIMM... even coaches like Norv and Flip found themselves on wrong end...

How will this work out for players? its going to get ugly for sure before it ends in flames...

If I'm the owner no way I'm letting Theilen go. I'd fire Zim today before I'd let a very good player like him go for being frustrated by stupidity.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Todays QB must be of strong resolve and on page with his OC and coaching, they must game plan and execute at a high degree in the passing game. There must be a total commitment between play caller and QB to trust one another and understand that there is a given freedom to audible out of a play at seconds notice and shift to something the signal caller sees as a better option to what the defense is showing in seconds pre snap.

We dont have this... its multi phases of fault to blame... Zimmer is a control freak, and it shows with his systems and mantra...

Flip tried to install some things, hell even Case went off the sheet and did his own thing and it drove Zimm nuts... wins be damned... Zimmer needs total control and total uniformity to his vision...

Thats what we have this year, likely Zimmers final year, is totally Zimmers vision...

Win a playoff game or he's gone. I don't think that's unfair at this point but who knows what the Wilfs will do.

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ORIGINAL: Ush

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Todays QB must be of strong resolve and on page with his OC and coaching, they must game plan and execute at a high degree in the passing game. There must be a total commitment between play caller and QB to trust one another and understand that there is a given freedom to audible out of a play at seconds notice and shift to something the signal caller sees as a better option to what the defense is showing in seconds pre snap.

We dont have this... its multi phases of fault to blame... Zimmer is a control freak, and it shows with his systems and mantra...

Flip tried to install some things, hell even Case went off the sheet and did his own thing and it drove Zimm nuts... wins be damned... Zimmer needs total control and total uniformity to his vision...

Thats what we have this year, likely Zimmers final year, is totally Zimmers vision...

Win a playoff game or he's gone. I don't think that's unfair at this point but who knows what the Wilfs will do.

Not unfair at all. I think this is Zim and Spielman’s final shot.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Todays QB must be of strong resolve and on page with his OC and coaching, they must game plan and execute at a high degree in the passing game. There must be a total commitment between play caller and QB to trust one another and understand that there is a given freedom to audible out of a play at seconds notice and shift to something the signal caller sees as a better option to what the defense is showing in seconds pre snap.

We dont have this... its multi phases of fault to blame... Zimmer is a control freak, and it shows with his systems and mantra...

Flip tried to install some things, hell even Case went off the sheet and did his own thing and it drove Zimm nuts... wins be damned... Zimmer needs total control and total uniformity to his vision...

Thats what we have this year, likely Zimmers final year, is totally Zimmers vision...

Win a playoff game or he's gone. I don't think that's unfair at this point but who knows what the Wilfs will do.

Not unfair at all. I think this is Zim and Spielman’s final shot.

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And I'm fine with giving them this shot. They have twelve games left this season. They already know how to demolish the poor teams so we've got that going for us. Zimmer just needs to un-stubborn himself and find some innovation against good teams. We have the players for the most part.