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ORIGINAL: Pager

Mitchell didn't look like a precise route runner and was constantly dropping passes in the college tape I saw. I've also read he's not a willful/proficient blocker which would be important in our offense. Add in not knowing the playbook (if true) and you've got 4 very good reasons why he didn't see the 53 man roster.

To be fair - He looked good with the ball in his hands. But that's not enough in my opinion for the type of offense Kubiak runs.

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The big concern for Mitchell is his small frame and his inability to beat press coverage at the line of scrimmage. He does not offer much in run blocking or in contested areas, so his role may be limited. Mitchell also had his struggles with drops in college.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

I stand by my belief that Zimmer has unfairly held Mitchell back[:-]. It can't be proven one way or another.[;)]

It is the least likely explanation. Most likely, it’s about Mitchell, not Zimmer ....

and you not being able to admit when you are wrong.

I would admit to being wrong if I did in fact believe I was wrong. I don't mind you all mocking my belief in Mitchell. I get it. I still believe I'm right.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The Vikings have promoted/played UDFAs and 7th rounders without qualms (on both sides of the ball) which destroys KGB's conspiracy theory. Zimmer didn't make the call. Stefanski/Kubiak made the call. Kubiak doesn't have a history of a bias, at least to my knowledge. If Mitchell was proficient in the areas needed to be a contributing WR in the NFL, I think he'd be playing.

+1 Pager

Rookies aren't always ready their first year....Diggs, Thielen....Even a possible top 10 WR of all time (CC). Learning a playbook, etc. take time. I just see a lot of guys in front of Mitchell success. Thielen, Jefferson, Bisi, Hollins, Beebe.....plus they drafted a 5th rounder, signed Sharpe, a couple of UDFA. Hard to agree with you at face value. I don't think it has anything to do with Zimmer. He let Bisi play last year.

Diggs was absolutely ready his first year. Just because it took Zimmer 4 games to see it doesn't make it so. His first 3 NFL games:

1. 6 reception, 87 yards - and he made Denver's All-Pro CBs look silly multiple times.
2. 7 receptions, 109 yards.
3. 6 receptions, 108 yards and a TD.

And despite only playing ~60% of the snaps, ended up leading the team in receptions, receiving yards and was one off the lead for receiving TDs.

Evidence that the Vikings coaching staff doesn't always get it right. Hopefully Mitchell will emerge this season.

What evidence? Attitude, Playbook, etc.? After seeing Diggs attitude now what evidence do you have to his maturity his rookie season? Being on the PS most of the season the coaches are watching Mitchell...if he shows something in practice---he should get Playing Time.

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I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

I stand by my belief that Zimmer has unfairly held Mitchell back[:-]. It can't be proven one way or another.[;)]

It is the least likely explanation. Most likely, it’s about Mitchell, not Zimmer ....

and you not being able to admit when you are wrong.

I would admit to being wrong if I did in fact believe I was wrong. I don't mind you all mocking my belief in Mitchell. I get it. I still believe I'm right.

You declared that Mitchell would be the third best WR on the team ... last season. He wasn’t even close regardless of the reason.

I can’t speak for anybody else but I’m not mocking you because of your belief in Mitchell (I hope he turns into a player). I am giving you a hard time because you predicted the sun would rise in the west last year - BUT - instead of just moving on when it didn’t, you create unsubstantiated excuses and look much worse than if you had just cut your losses.

You’ve turned a small but bold draft prediction into a huge blunder that grows every time you speak to it. IMO.

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Every other WR on the roster last year produced more and was better. Every other TE, RB, and FB on the roster last year produced more in the passing game.

Your just being obtuse and small-minded.

I’m done.

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In defense of Kgdabom, Mitchell looked REALLY good on the college clips.

And this year, it's Quartney Davis that is the late pick that looks REALLY good in the college clips.

I would be VERY surprised if Jefferson isn't a stud, looks like a natural. And wouldn't it be great if both Mitchell and Davis are both future studs that open up a nice competition with Bisi for the #3 WR spot.

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In defense of Kgdabom, Mitchell looked REALLY good on the college clips.

And this year, it's Quartney Davis that is the late pick that looks REALLY good in the college clips.

I would be VERY surprised if Jefferson isn't a stud, looks like a natural. And wouldn't it be great if both Mitchell and Davis are both future studs that open up a nice competition with Bisi for the #3 WR spot.

I doubt if either is a stud, but they could be #3 WRs. Bisi is that hard working nice guy that doesn't have the talent.

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I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

I stand by my belief that Zimmer has unfairly held Mitchell back[:-]. It can't be proven one way or another.[;)]

Zimmer held me back as well. I always KNEW I was NFL Nose Tackle material so I sent him a clip of me benching 40 reps and still no camp invite. OK, to be fair, it was 40 reps of just the bar and I filmed it in 3 takes. He responded "LOL" and implied I was a bit light for a Nose Tackle. I then told him that "I weighed 480 lbs., on Jupiter, and, anyway, I believe in mind over matter, so there". He then insured me that if the NFL ever plays a game on Jupiter that he would give me a call. So I have that in my back pocket, which is nice.

You cannot prove this story one way or another.

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Troy Dye and Jeff Gladney played through torn meniscuses last year. Ezra Cleveland had turf toe. Yet all three found a way to perform through the pain.

(Sam Ekstrom on Twitter)

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I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

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Troy Dye and Jeff Gladney played through torn meniscuses last year. Ezra Cleveland had turf toe. Yet all three found a way to perform through the pain.

(Sam Ekstrom on Twitter)

I find that encouraging, especially with Cleveland. He apparently, only saw contact in games. His was limited in what he could do in practice. A lot of strength concerns could be tied to the turf toe. Trying to plant your feet and hold your ground or drive another large individual backwards is a pretty painful endeavor with turf toe.

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Troy Dye and Jeff Gladney played through torn meniscuses last year. Ezra Cleveland had turf toe. Yet all three found a way to perform through the pain.

(Sam Ekstrom on Twitter)

I find that encouraging, especially with Cleveland. He apparently, only saw contact in games. His was limited in what he could do in practice. A lot of strength concerns could be tied to the turf toe. Trying to plant your feet and hold your ground or drive another large individual backwards is a pretty painful endeavor with turf toe.

Isn't turf toe one of those high recidivist conditions?

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The footwork reminds me of Diggs.

https://twitter.com/footwork_king1/status/1258808517693235209?s=09

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done.