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kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/6/2020 8:05:00 PM)

CBS sports has a brand new mock and they are actually kind of entertaining to listen to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Q4OUi0ECE




kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/6/2020 9:54:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

CBS sports has a brand new mock and they are actually kind of entertaining to listen to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Q4OUi0ECE

They ended up having the Vikings take Gladney at 22 and Reagor at 25. Both from TCU and I would not be shocked if both those picks ended up correct.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/6/2020 10:30:26 PM)

Tis the season for the mocks, now. Anything beyond the first round is kind of crazy.

I wonder if having the team drafting headquarters being the GM's homes will impact the trading action. I heard that they will be limited to 9 in the building. Modern technology has to make it so much easier to do so, these days.




Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/6/2020 10:47:26 PM)

We should have a Vikings Draft Challenge.

Something simple like pick 12 guys in the order in which we think Vikings will draft them. 5 points for getting it exactly right and maybe 2 points if you get the right player but not in that particular spot.

No $$$. Just for fun.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/6/2020 10:51:02 PM)

New source for draft information? It seems that the information is out there. What's remarkable for me here is the low rankings for Tee Higgins, Denzel Mims and Jalen Reagor. Indeed, he only has a first round grade for three receivers, which is another reason to wait until the second round to select one. I heard Corey Chavous say as much, this morning- that picking a receiver late in the first round is not going to get you a lot of bang for the buck.

https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-20-wide-receiver-rankings/




Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/6/2020 10:55:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

New source for draft information? It seems that the information is out there. What's remarkable for me here is the low rankings for Tee Higgins, Denzel Mims and Jalen Reagor. Indeed, he only has a first round grade for three receivers, which is another reason to wait until the second round to select one. I heard Corey Chavous say as much, this morning- that picking a receiver late in the first round is not going to get you a lot of bang for the buck.

https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-20-wide-receiver-rankings/

He said Jefferson reminded him of CC.




kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 1:53:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

New source for draft information? It seems that the information is out there. What's remarkable for me here is the low rankings for Tee Higgins, Denzel Mims and Jalen Reagor. Indeed, he only has a first round grade for three receivers, which is another reason to wait until the second round to select one. I heard Corey Chavous say as much, this morning- that picking a receiver late in the first round is not going to get you a lot of bang for the buck.

https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-20-wide-receiver-rankings/

It was an amusing read.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 4:59:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

New source for draft information? It seems that the information is out there. What's remarkable for me here is the low rankings for Tee Higgins, Denzel Mims and Jalen Reagor. Indeed, he only has a first round grade for three receivers, which is another reason to wait until the second round to select one. I heard Corey Chavous say as much, this morning- that picking a receiver late in the first round is not going to get you a lot of bang for the buck.

https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-20-wide-receiver-rankings/

He said Jefferson reminded him of CC.


Perhaps what we can gather from that is that perhaps Jefferson will not be available without a trade up.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 7:50:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Voicing some crap about you "have always wondered". You have anything related to the Vikings?

Seems not.


I said nothing substantive about the Vikings, just like you. I just shared my lack of substance in far fewer posts than you managed. And why would I IP you and miss the unintentional humor you bring as you stagger around looking for someone to fight you like a drunk at 2 AM.



Far fewer posts? Don't count yourself short. Like the coronavirus, your lack of substance posts are doubling by the day!

Sad you enjoy negative strokes, but that's what you will get.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 7:59:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

You are complaining about posters that are complaining about posters.



And you posted on my complaining about posters that complain about posters. It is like when you look into a mirror and there is another mirror behind you and the mirrors go into infinity. But I posted because I value the Twitter posts that many people make and I think it is completely acceptable to talk about the NFL Draft despite being a dark time in history. Others had different opinions and I wanted to share a different POV.



"...share a different POV..." How kind of you unome. And the way you share... what a model for all to emulate!

Rest assured you can seek comfort and attention right here.

More "mirrors".... to infinity and beyond!




Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 8:01:18 AM)

Darren Wolfson
@DWolfsonKSTP
The #Vikings will connect via FaceTime this week with former Baylor WR Denzel Mims. Had a great run in school then at Senior Bowl and at Combine.




Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 8:02:35 AM)

Darren Wolfson
@DWolfsonKSTP
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Apr 5
The former South Dakota DL -- sounds like he has some position flexibility -- has spoken with members of the front office and coaching staff over the last month. Visit would've been this week. #Vikings
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Justin M
@JustinM_NFL
· Mar 27
South Dakota DT Kameron Cline had top 30 visits sked w/ the #Vikings & #Colts prior to the COVID-19 outbreak. Those meetings occured via telephone.

He also held pre-draft FaceTime meetings with the #Texans, #Packers & #Jets.

He's a sleeper to watch. 6-4, 295 DL.




Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 8:03:25 AM)

Darren Wolfson
@DWolfsonKSTP
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Apr 4
Fulton’s interview with the #Vikings at the Combine was a formal one. He had been previously mentioned as meeting with MN in Indy, but able to advance with the formal designation.
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Justin M
@JustinM_NFL
· Mar 31
Here's a list of teams #LSU CB Kristian Fulton has, or will meet w/ via FaceTime: #Bears, #Cowboys, #Titans, #Colts & #Broncos.

COVID-19 prevented him from making any physical visits.




Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 8:03:46 AM)

Darren Wolfson
@DWolfsonKSTP
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Apr 4
Can’t speak on his tackling, but Florida CB CJ Henderson seems to have elite man coverage skills. He also tested very well at the Combine. #Vikings scheduled to FaceTime with him in the coming week, met with him formally in Indy. Not sure he gets to 22.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 8:09:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

We should have a Vikings Draft Challenge.

Something simple like pick 12 guys in the order in which we think Vikings will draft them. 5 points for getting it exactly right and maybe 2 points if you get the right player but not in that particular spot.

No $$$. Just for fun.



It seems there would be a lot of competition. Saying that because it appears that the positions for the first several picks are pretty established. Now if they were building for the future, they may go in various directions. But I think their M.O. is get what they can out of this team now, which makes sense from a competition standpoint. But that's also fueled by how long the Wilfs keep them around.

1 - CB, DL (was OL)
2 - WR
3 - OL




Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 8:12:39 AM)

I don't think Ian did the usual draft challenge last year and he's been pretty scarce post wise.




Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 8:25:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

We should have a Vikings Draft Challenge.

Something simple like pick 12 guys in the order in which we think Vikings will draft them. 5 points for getting it exactly right and maybe 2 points if you get the right player but not in that particular spot.

No $$$. Just for fun.



It seems there would be a lot of competition. Saying that because it appears that the positions for the first several picks are pretty established. Now if they were building for the future, they may go in various directions. But I think their M.O. is get what they can out of this team now, which makes sense from a competition standpoint. But that's also fueled by how long the Wilfs keep them around.

1 - CB, DL (was OL)
2 - WR
3 - OL

I could see us going Gross-Matos and Ruiz in 1st Round. I would be fine with it.

Grab Robertson in 2nd

Peoples Jones , KJ Hill, Ty Johnson, Edwards are WRs you can get 3rd or later.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 8:27:30 AM)

Positions they will NOT address in the first four rounds:
1 - TE
2 - RB
3 - LB
4 - QB (mainly because Cousins will be around a while)

Less likely:
5 - DE
6 - S (if we end up with Harris then S moves to near top of list)


Reiff is a big question at a premier position.
- As a post-June 1st cut, there would be positive cap implications but realized later.
- Do they get rid of consistent average and replace it with an unknown?
- Where else could that asset (pick) be used?




Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 8:28:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I don't think Ian did the usual draft challenge last year and he's been pretty scarce post wise.



JC ran Ian off [;)]




Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 8:31:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

We should have a Vikings Draft Challenge.

Something simple like pick 12 guys in the order in which we think Vikings will draft them. 5 points for getting it exactly right and maybe 2 points if you get the right player but not in that particular spot.

No $$$. Just for fun.



It seems there would be a lot of competition. Saying that because it appears that the positions for the first several picks are pretty established. Now if they were building for the future, they may go in various directions. But I think their M.O. is get what they can out of this team now, which makes sense from a competition standpoint. But that's also fueled by how long the Wilfs keep them around.

1 - CB, DL (was OL)
2 - WR
3 - OL

I could see us going Gross-Matos and Ruiz in 1st Round. I would be fine with it.

Grab Robertson in 2nd

Peoples Jones , KJ Hill, Ty Johnson, Edwards are WRs you can get 3rd or later.



Ruiz at C or move to G?

I don't think they have given up on Bradbury nor do they plan to move him. Opposing DEs move him all over the place, but the regime won't.




jbusse -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 8:34:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The more I look at the first-round of the #NFLDraft the more it appears that no OL, CB, and probably DL will be worth drafting at 22 or 25 for the #Vikings Sad.

(Warren Ludford on Twitter)

That's utterly ridiculous.


Agreed. Having looked at a lot of mock drafts and prospect rankings it has become apparent (to me at least) that the Vikings best bet to find instant impact players at their greatest positions of need in this years draft is to draft in this order:

1st Rd - CB and DT
2nd Rd - WR
3rd Rd - OG

The top 3 WR's will be gone before the Vikings pick. There's a drop off to the next level with a ton of WR's bunched together in ability. Of course, if CeeDee Lamb falls to the Vikings you sprint to the (virtual) stage, but it's not happening. Likewise, DT's Derrick Brown and probably Javon Kinlaw will be gone before we pick. If Kinlaw somehow falls, again that's a no-brainer first pick. However, with the DT's there appear to be only 4, maybe 5 that set themselves apart from the second level. At least on paper. If the Vikings wait until the 2nd round to pick a DT they will likely be gone. Regarding CB's there appears to be 1 elite guys in Okudah, a close second in CJ Henderson, 3 extremely talented prospects, then a large group of guys with bigger question marks. Considering the value of the position, if the Vikings wait until the second round they're going to be looking through that group of prospects with the bigger question marks. Finally, regarding Oline, we all know that the Vikings need to continue shoring up their oline, but after the big 4 (that will be gone before we draft) there's a drop off. We need an OT for the future, but not at the expense of an OG for right now. Someone like Josh Jones (OT), who many have mocked to the Vikings might help, but according to his scouting report he's going to need some real work before he's starter material, which means he won't be replacing Reiff right away if at all. Additionally, 1st round OT's have often struggled mightily their first year in the league. Meanwhile, the OG rankings are all over the place, meaning there's no consensus stud this year. Spielman is as likely to strike gold in the 3rd round as he is in the first. Something that is less likely to occur at the other positions in the draft.

That said, watch RS pick WR, LB, RB, QB with his first 4 picks...

In the linked video posted earlier, Florio advocated for OL with both 1st round picks. He makes the argument that Cousins is much better with protection, which of course is true. I'm so tired of Elflein getting pushed around that I'd be extremely disappointed if we don't go OL with at least one of our 1st round picks. Hopefully they're getting a good read on whether Bradbury is going to make significant improvement because if he doesn't that interior OL needs a major infusion of talent.


I don't disagree that the Vikings need continued help on the o-line (what else is new), just that the value isn't there taking them in the 1st round. For example, Josh Jones (OT) is often mocked to the Vikings. Here's a quick blurb on him:

"But Jones' skills need significant polish from the ground up — he's still raw with his pass sets and footwork and can be too reactive in live action to over-set or over-pursue. Ideally he can be weaned into a starting role in the NFL."

That doesn't sound like a guy who's going to come in and replace Reiff at LT. Compare that to Nick Harris or Ben Breedeson, both OG's who are expected to go in the late 3rd round.

Harris - "While he isn’t the most physically dominant run blocker and his anchor can be compromised in pass protection, Harris is highly competitive, technically-sound and his functional mobility is impressive. He may be a scheme-specific prospect, but he has the makings of a starter in the right offense in time."

Breedeson - "There appears to be enough versatility to project Bredeson into a number of concepts and systems, although his functional power and ability to reset the LOS should have him coveted highest on boards that implement primarily gap/power rushing concepts. Bredeson, if able to work on getting his initial hand strikes to stick on defenders with more consistency, would be a quality starter and asset up front."

On paper, drafting Jones will help us next year when he can replace Reiff, versus a guy like Harris or Breedeson who could compete for a starting job on day one. We're also missing out on the top rated DT and CB's if we go OL with our first 2 picks. Again, this is all on paper. For all I know, drafting 2 offensive linemen in the 1st will end up working out perfectly for us this year. But the scouting reports would indicate that we get the most bang for our buck at multiple positions if we go a different route.

Anyway, I'm just happy that there is something sports related to spend some time thinking about. Watching reruns of PGA tournaments just isn't cutting it for me anymore...

Harris sounds like Elflein, though Elflein seems to get worked over too often to be considered technically sound.

I agree that it's important to get value in round 1. Hopefully a good O lineman drops.




kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 9:21:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

We should have a Vikings Draft Challenge.

Something simple like pick 12 guys in the order in which we think Vikings will draft them. 5 points for getting it exactly right and maybe 2 points if you get the right player but not in that particular spot.

No $$$. Just for fun.



It seems there would be a lot of competition. Saying that because it appears that the positions for the first several picks are pretty established. Now if they were building for the future, they may go in various directions. But I think their M.O. is get what they can out of this team now, which makes sense from a competition standpoint. But that's also fueled by how long the Wilfs keep them around.

1 - CB, DL (was OL)
2 - WR
3 - OL

I could see us going Gross-Matos and Ruiz in 1st Round. I would be fine with it.

Grab Robertson in 2nd

Peoples Jones , KJ Hill, Ty Johnson, Edwards are WRs you can get 3rd or later.

Those WRs aren't good enough.




Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 5:05:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

We should have a Vikings Draft Challenge.

Something simple like pick 12 guys in the order in which we think Vikings will draft them. 5 points for getting it exactly right and maybe 2 points if you get the right player but not in that particular spot.

No $$$. Just for fun.



It seems there would be a lot of competition. Saying that because it appears that the positions for the first several picks are pretty established. Now if they were building for the future, they may go in various directions. But I think their M.O. is get what they can out of this team now, which makes sense from a competition standpoint. But that's also fueled by how long the Wilfs keep them around.

1 - CB, DL (was OL)
2 - WR
3 - OL

I could see us going Gross-Matos and Ruiz in 1st Round. I would be fine with it.

Grab Robertson in 2nd

Peoples Jones , KJ Hill, Ty Johnson, Edwards are WRs you can get 3rd or later.



Ruiz at C or move to G?

I don't think they have given up on Bradbury nor do they plan to move him. Opposing DEs move him all over the place, but the regime won't.

Ruiz probably LG




kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 6:00:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

We should have a Vikings Draft Challenge.

Something simple like pick 12 guys in the order in which we think Vikings will draft them. 5 points for getting it exactly right and maybe 2 points if you get the right player but not in that particular spot.

No $$$. Just for fun.



It seems there would be a lot of competition. Saying that because it appears that the positions for the first several picks are pretty established. Now if they were building for the future, they may go in various directions. But I think their M.O. is get what they can out of this team now, which makes sense from a competition standpoint. But that's also fueled by how long the Wilfs keep them around.

1 - CB, DL (was OL)
2 - WR
3 - OL

I could see us going Gross-Matos and Ruiz in 1st Round. I would be fine with it.

Grab Robertson in 2nd

Peoples Jones , KJ Hill, Ty Johnson, Edwards are WRs you can get 3rd or later.



Ruiz at C or move to G?

I don't think they have given up on Bradbury nor do they plan to move him. Opposing DEs move him all over the place, but the regime won't.

Ruiz probably LG

Is the center the QB of the line. Does he make blocking calls and stuff like that? If so who would play Center between Bradbury and Ruiz would be the one best suited to the task. Or does the QB make those calls?




kwheats -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/7/2020 6:41:41 PM)

My 7 round mock draft using: On the Clock Mock Draft Simulator (no trades)
Could not believe Becton fell to me, also think we will pick up free agent cornerbacks!
22: R1P22
OT MEKHI BECTON
LOUISVILLE
25: R1P25
WR DENZEL MIMS
BAYLOR
58: R2P26
S ANTOINE WINFIELD
MINNESOTA
89: R3P25
QB JALEN HURTS
OKLAHOMA
105: R3P41
G JONAH JACKSON
OHIO STATE
132: R4P26
EDGE ALTON ROBINSON
SYRACUSE
155: R5P9
WR TYLER JOHNSON
MINNESOTA
201: R6P22
CB JAMES PIERRE
FLORIDA ATLANTIC
205: R6P26
WR QUEZ WATKINS
SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
219: R7P5
DL RAEQUAN WILLIAMS
MICHIGAN STATE
249: R7P35
CB REID HARRISON-DUCROS
DUQUESNE
253: R7P39
RB DARIUS ANDERSON
TCU




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