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kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 11:00:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed It depends on what drug he tested positive for. If Heroin or meth he could drop out of the first round. If Marijuana probably not too far.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 11:04:54 AM)
Candidates in positional groups and our needs seem to fit well with Spielman's M.O. of grouping players. Obviously he can bail on a pick and trade down with that setup, but much harder to trade up as it's based on guessing what other teams are expected to do plus he loses draft capital. WR - Top tier gone and too pricy to trade up. Upper tier in play at 22 and 25 then all but gone by 58. OG - May be down to one-two players at 22-25. If they are gone, it's maybe down to 3rd round and beyond. CB - Definitely getting one at 22 or 25. Maybe another by the end of day two. DE/DT. Mid to late third round types. > Trade down in the first to allow a trade up from 58. > Try to keep the third round picks, maybe move up with a pick from 2021, etc.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 11:06:23 AM)
Jake Reeds son was an All-American safety at Georgia, but he's not rated high. Might not have what's needed for the NFL. Still pretty cool though. Take Thaddeous Moss, J.R. Reed, and Winfield Jr. !!!!

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 11:07:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed It depends on what drug he tested positive for. If Heroin or meth he could drop out of the first round. If Marijuana probably not too far. Obviously.

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 11:56:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed NFL rules have changed since then. Still a red flag no matter how you spin it

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 12:54:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger Most people agree with have 3 primary needs. WR, CB, G A secondary need, at least in my opinion is DE. Most people agree the draft is deep in WR. Most people agree there are no G's worth a #1. Do we draft a C or T and make them a G or move Reiff? Big unknown: Ant. Is he a Viking this year? If not, S becomes a big need, not just a depth need. Ideally I'd like to address CB and OL in 1st, if the value is there, and get WR in 2nd and maybe another in 4 or 5. Go DE and S in 3rd. A 2nd CB wouldn't be an awful idea either, in later rounds. However, I have strong doubts that a 1st round value will be there for OL as a G, so I could see us go CB, WR in 1st and find the G in 2nd. Anyway we do it, Spielman needs to hit those 3 picks. I think DT is a much greater need than DE. DT: Pierce, Stephen, Watts, Hercules, JJ, Holmes DE: Hunter, Odenigbo, Zettel What about if they switch to 3-4? Then we are moving up for Chaisson.

Guest -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 1:17:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed NFL rules have changed since then. Still a red flag no matter how you spin it Yeah it hasn’t seemed to hurt Tunsil’s production. If it’s Mary Jane I don’t see it affecting his draft status much. I’d be very happy to be able to draft him. Honestly I think there is some fire to this Trent Williams smoke. We can go largely BPA the rest of the way as long as they are CB, WR, Int OLine. 😉

Dana Turner -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 1:48:19 PM)
Yea, I think there might be something to the Williams talk too. Williams Ruiz Bradbury Samia O'Neal Id take that as my starting line any time! Of course, I am thinking that both Samia and Bradbury make significant strength gains, but that is generally the case after the first year. Some of our young players from the past couple years are simply going to have to step up and get in the game, gotta have it!

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 3:08:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner Yea, I think there might be something to the Williams talk too. Williams Ruiz Bradbury Samia O'Neal Id take that as my starting line any time! Of course, I am thinking that both Samia and Bradbury make significant strength gains, but that is generally the case after the first year. Some of our young players from the past couple years are simply going to have to step up and get in the game, gotta have it! Nice starting 5. Maybe Udoh could make a run at RG also.

Brad H -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 3:31:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed NFL rules have changed since then. Still a red flag no matter how you spin it Yeah it hasn’t seemed to hurt Tunsil’s production. If it’s Mary Jane I don’t see it affecting his draft status much. I’d be very happy to be able to draft him. Honestly I think there is some fire to this Trent Williams smoke. We can go largely BPA the rest of the way as long as they are CB, WR, Int OLine. 😉 Provided the guy can block, he can fire up a "J" in the huddle for all I care.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 3:45:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed NFL rules have changed since then. Still a red flag no matter how you spin it Yeah it hasn’t seemed to hurt Tunsil’s production. If it’s Mary Jane I don’t see it affecting his draft status much. I’d be very happy to be able to draft him. Honestly I think there is some fire to this Trent Williams smoke. We can go largely BPA the rest of the way as long as they are CB, WR, Int OLine. 😉 It makes too much sense for both teams to not be considered. Win/WIN.

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 5:53:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner Yea, I think there might be something to the Williams talk too. Williams Ruiz Bradbury Samia O'Neal Id take that as my starting line any time! Of course, I am thinking that both Samia and Bradbury make significant strength gains, but that is generally the case after the first year. Some of our young players from the past couple years are simply going to have to step up and get in the game, gotta have it! Nice starting 5. Maybe Udoh could make a run at RG also. Add a returning healthy Collins....could be pretty good.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 6:08:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner Yea, I think there might be something to the Williams talk too. Williams Ruiz Bradbury Samia O'Neal Id take that as my starting line any time! Of course, I am thinking that both Samia and Bradbury make significant strength gains, but that is generally the case after the first year. Some of our young players from the past couple years are simply going to have to step up and get in the game, gotta have it! Nice starting 5. Maybe Udoh could make a run at RG also. I suggested that and was told in no uncertain terms Udoh is a tackle. But he might make a hell of a G in this offense. There are successful examples of dudes with his body type and athleticism converting and thriving.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 6:14:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed NFL rules have changed since then. Still a red flag no matter how you spin it Yeah it hasn’t seemed to hurt Tunsil’s production. If it’s Mary Jane I don’t see it affecting his draft status much. I’d be very happy to be able to draft him. Honestly I think there is some fire to this Trent Williams smoke. We can go largely BPA the rest of the way as long as they are CB, WR, Int OLine. 😉 Provided the guy can block, he can fire up a "J" in the huddle for all I care. Especially now. The COVID-19 discount. Meaning some things like MJ just don't matter. Besides, the league was against an overflowing dam so they changed their rules. I don't know of any top players strung out on meth or heroin so IMO it was probably marijuana. I think the teams get to find out, but not sure. Hell, even Randy Gregory will probably be back!

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/19/2020 6:56:22 PM)
Do you have questions about the Vikings offensive line going forward? You might find your question and answer here. https://www.si.com/.amp-vikings/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-pre-draft-mailbag-part-1-trading-down-trevon-diggs-offensive-line?__twitter_impression=true

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/20/2020 5:51:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed NFL rules have changed since then. Still a red flag no matter how you spin it Yeah it hasn’t seemed to hurt Tunsil’s production. If it’s Mary Jane I don’t see it affecting his draft status much. I’d be very happy to be able to draft him. Honestly I think there is some fire to this Trent Williams smoke. We can go largely BPA the rest of the way as long as they are CB, WR, Int OLine. 😉 Provided the guy can block, he can fire up a "J" in the huddle for all I care. Everyone is assuming it's maryjane but sounds more like it was a diluted sample that could be PED's. Doubt bectan at 360lbs already was chugging gallons of water before he stepped on the scale like these lighter guys were doing.

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/20/2020 5:53:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed NFL rules have changed since then. Still a red flag no matter how you spin it Yeah it hasn’t seemed to hurt Tunsil’s production. If it’s Mary Jane I don’t see it affecting his draft status much. I’d be very happy to be able to draft him. Honestly I think there is some fire to this Trent Williams smoke. We can go largely BPA the rest of the way as long as they are CB, WR, Int OLine. 😉 Tunsil still dropped a long way so if Bectan figured to go around 10-12 range could easily drop 10-12 spots.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/20/2020 6:20:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed NFL rules have changed since then. Still a red flag no matter how you spin it Yeah it hasn’t seemed to hurt Tunsil’s production. If it’s Mary Jane I don’t see it affecting his draft status much. I’d be very happy to be able to draft him. Honestly I think there is some fire to this Trent Williams smoke. We can go largely BPA the rest of the way as long as they are CB, WR, Int OLine. 😉 Tunsil still dropped a long way so if Bectan figured to go around 10-12 range could easily drop 10-12 spots. Yep. He could fall to 22 and I'm not sure the Vikings would select him. I'm also not sure I would want them to.

Brad H -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/20/2020 7:26:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed NFL rules have changed since then. Still a red flag no matter how you spin it Yeah it hasn’t seemed to hurt Tunsil’s production. If it’s Mary Jane I don’t see it affecting his draft status much. I’d be very happy to be able to draft him. Honestly I think there is some fire to this Trent Williams smoke. We can go largely BPA the rest of the way as long as they are CB, WR, Int OLine. 😉 Tunsil still dropped a long way so if Bectan figured to go around 10-12 range could easily drop 10-12 spots. Yep. He could fall to 22 and I'm not sure the Vikings would select him. I'm also not sure I would want them to. Why not? We kept a guy on the team that beat his kid with a stick for an extra four years and the people in Viking-land loved the guy.

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/20/2020 8:07:49 AM)
Who would you rather trade for if it was similar compensation? Thuney or Williams Thuney: LG would be set and we could draft a LT (Jones, Jackson, Cleveland). Younger, no injury concerns. Also have Udoh. Williams: Finally get the proven LT we need. We could still get Ruiz or a mid rounder for Guard. Injury concerns. Reiff is gone or takes massive pay cut in both scenarios.

Brad H -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/20/2020 8:13:58 AM)
Not gonna lie, if Jordan Love is there at 22 I would take him.

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/20/2020 8:22:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Not gonna lie, if Jordan Love is there at 22 I would take him. Brad I read some great things about the Oregon State QB (Jake Luton) who could be drafted later. The Athletic raves about him (Size, Arm, accuracy, and low int%). Thoughts?

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/20/2020 8:54:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson This like meat to me. Good stuff with tough analysis on some of the players we have liked. Reading this makes me think that Jones or Ruiz are truly the only offensive linemen we should select in the first round, assuming the top four OT's are gone, as expected. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-15-offensive-tackle-rankings/ With Bectem having a positive drug test at the combine he could be in play. I don't think so, but perhaps the cost to trade up for him will be more affordable. Laremy Tunsil dropped from #1 to #13 when the gas mask pic was revealed NFL rules have changed since then. Still a red flag no matter how you spin it Yeah it hasn’t seemed to hurt Tunsil’s production. If it’s Mary Jane I don’t see it affecting his draft status much. I’d be very happy to be able to draft him. Honestly I think there is some fire to this Trent Williams smoke. We can go largely BPA the rest of the way as long as they are CB, WR, Int OLine. 😉 Tunsil still dropped a long way so if Bectan figured to go around 10-12 range could easily drop 10-12 spots. Yep. He could fall to 22 and I'm not sure the Vikings would select him. I'm also not sure I would want them to. Why not? We kept a guy on the team that beat his kid with a stick for an extra four years and the people in Viking-land loved the guy. Because I have my doubts he will be very good. Peterson spanking his kid too hard has nothing to do with it.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/20/2020 8:56:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Not gonna lie, if Jordan Love is there at 22 I would take him. Most grades on Love has him as a 2nd or 3rd round value. Taking him at 22 would be very poor draft value.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/20/2020 8:57:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Not gonna lie, if Jordan Love is there at 22 I would take him. Brad I read some great things about the Oregon State QB (Jake Luton) who could be drafted later. The Athletic raves about him (Size, Arm, accuracy, and low int%). Thoughts? His stats were incredible, but Browning's were even more incredible. From what I've read he just isn't very good despite the stats.

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