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Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/15/2020 11:21:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Oh those terrible liberal bullies. Will they ever let up on the conservative snowflake tree-huggers? Sounds familiar, doesn't it? It's like Mike Tyson once famously said; "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." kgdabom comes out with a wild statement about following every president because they are the president of the United States (paraphrasing). He gets called out on the carpet for it, and then does his normal disappearance act because he suddenly doesn't like talking politics. He seems to only want to talk politics when he is on the offensive. When he's got his tail between his legs, he's suddenly disinterested. Rather than taking the time to defend the indefensible, act disinterested. Granted, my Hitler comment was way over the top. I knew it when I posted it. It was meant to meet the obscene nature of his original thought head on. It seems to have worked. Fighters fight and quitters quit.

bohumm -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 12:00:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo I'm curious about what people think about the 8% of black voters that are in Trumps camp? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjxDEoXkjzE&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLNDqxrUUwQ&list=PLqRKacIMoVTZWR5odd84KxPUWfnPoR5k5&index=7&t=0s

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 1:33:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom If anybody else wants to take a cheap shot at me go ahead. No, I think someone as nice as Lynn venomously spitting out a comment implying that your Mom would not be proud of you is a better cheap shot than I could conjure up. But, KG, there is always a place for forgiveness with the left. They are really nice people, if you agree with them. You just need to become politically correct and it is easy to do. So study this closely: https://www.demconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-07-21-DRAFT-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf Read it, know it, never sway from its contents and they will defend you to the nth degree or turn and look the other way when you mess up. You want examples? Let's pretend someone said that they support looting and rioting, because they will help make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition. Now, you may think: "no one would ever say something so foolish?" But this is a hypothetical, so we can use crazy ridiculous examples. You can say stuff like this and NO ONE that agrees with the link above will say one word about your comments. And, and here is where it gets exciting, they will actually viciously personally attack anyone that tries to refute that hypothetical comment if that person gets it partially wrong! (OK, sure the rioting did often involve burning and some people did die, but details, details.) So, just take a day or two off. Study the manual linked above and come back here and spout from that 'truth'. And most here will love you for it! If you want to express an opinion substantially different than the above linked platform of truth than you are going to have to learn to deal with cheap shots and condescension. Although do not be condescending back, because people can only be condescending TO YOU because you are wrong and it is OK to be condescending to people that are wrong. I hope this post helped set you straight. Love it! ps - gearing up for my 1 star So the American Revolution was some liberals justifying death and looting and destruction? And how about those damn progressive and democrats Woodrow W and FDR? Truman who started overseeing the civil rights movement by desegregation of the armed services and attacking Jim Crow laws? Fn democratic anarchist, to be sure.. LBJ who passed civil rights? What a tree hugging liberal. You make idiotic claims about your democratic opponents, and demonstrate a complete lack of history before 1990... You and your like minded faux news teat fed bot thinkers ARE the problem... unome/cpa/( I don’t know squat about any current or past even that is not sports related..KGB.) i It is like watching the three stooges battle deep blue.. you are so out of your depth you think the whale shit falling on your heads, is manna from Trump’s anal sphincter.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 6:00:04 AM)
For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction. Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on. I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting. I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg. A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch.

twinsfan -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 8:06:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom If anybody else wants to take a cheap shot at me go ahead. No, I think someone as nice as Lynn venomously spitting out a comment implying that your Mom would not be proud of you is a better cheap shot than I could conjure up. But, KG, there is always a place for forgiveness with the left. They are really nice people, if you agree with them. You just need to become politically correct and it is easy to do. So study this closely: https://www.demconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-07-21-DRAFT-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf Read it, know it, never sway from its contents and they will defend you to the nth degree or turn and look the other way when you mess up. You want examples? Let's pretend someone said that they support looting and rioting, because they will help make changes that may have otherwise never come to fruition. Now, you may think: "no one would ever say something so foolish?" But this is a hypothetical, so we can use crazy ridiculous examples. You can say stuff like this and NO ONE that agrees with the link above will say one word about your comments. And, and here is where it gets exciting, they will actually viciously personally attack anyone that tries to refute that hypothetical comment if that person gets it partially wrong! (OK, sure the rioting did often involve burning and some people did die, but details, details.) So, just take a day or two off. Study the manual linked above and come back here and spout from that 'truth'. And most here will love you for it! If you want to express an opinion substantially different than the above linked platform of truth than you are going to have to learn to deal with cheap shots and condescension. Although do not be condescending back, because people can only be condescending TO YOU because you are wrong and it is OK to be condescending to people that are wrong. I hope this post helped set you straight. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Mark Anderson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 9:08:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction. Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on. I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting. I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg. A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch. You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs. When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled. Just agree to disagree and move on.

jbusse -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 9:34:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction. Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on. I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting. I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg. A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch. You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs. When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled. Just agree to disagree and move on. I agree 100%. If I learned one thing over the last four years, it's that most DEM/Libs do not want to unite the country. Look no further than talkvikes with the incessant name calling that mostly runs in one direction. The exceptions, some of whom I admire, represent a small minority.

David F. -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 11:19:15 AM)
Name calling? Ever seen trump’s Twitter? It’s name calling 24/7. This is where we are. Liberals are snowflakes until we fight back. Then we’re bullies and looters and name callers. Sorry not sorry - I’m not going to let anyone control the narrative.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 1:36:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction. Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on. I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting. I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg. A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch. You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs. When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled. Just agree to disagree and move on. So tell me, since you lack the courage to engage in any.. an of the politic threads, because ... oh horrors.. you might get called a “nazi” as opposed to a “ libtard” or tree hugger... Do you support the Republican Party platform? Federalism? strict constructionism? Unilateralism? Too many? Pick one. Look it up so you know what it means, if not.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 1:46:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction. Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on. I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting. I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg. A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch. You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs. When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled. Just agree to disagree and move on. You can say what you want about parties claiming they want to unite the country, but the action tells the real story, not words. I'm not sure you can say the same about the right. When you look at their agenda, the left agenda represents uniting the country. If you look at their history, it is about inclusivity. When it comes to representation, it is inclusive. They have continued to fight for health care for all. They are union-friendly, equal rights-friendly and just put a woman on the ticket for a second straight election, along with an African American for the third out of the last four. The right wants to build walls, stop people from voting, eliminate health care rights and does just about everything in its power to take from the poor and give to the uber-wealthy. I'm not going to say anything about making them out to be Nazis, but if you'd like me to provide a few images from events in recent years, it wouldn't take me but a few seconds to generate 100's of them. Remind me again, who was fighting to keep statues and confederate flags two months back and who was fighting to get rid of them. My memory is a bit fuzzy. In the end, action speaks much louder than words. Are the democrats perfect and their followers perfect? Absolutely not. But I'll take inclusivity over exclusivity any day of the week. It's what makes a place vibrant and colorful. Anybody else out there think the Republican Party is inclusive in nature?

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 1:52:26 PM)
Lots to unpack in the Dan rant. Let's look at each one. quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young So the American Revolution was some liberals justifying death and looting and destruction? I have a hard time seeing how the actions between 1776 and 1783 were similar to the rioting and looting in 2020, but I keep seeing left-leaning posters trying and conflate the two eras. I would submit that they are not similar at all, but if you are correct than the question becomes one that would be hard to stomach for any of us: Are you in favor of armed overthrow of the sovereign government? If the answer is no, then the similarities are not there; and if the answer is yes, then are you planning to take up arms and join the revolution? quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young And how about those damn progressive and democrats Woodrow W and FDR? The progressive era started with the Bull Moose, Teddy, why did you edit him out of your American history rant? The parties were different back then anyway, Reagan was a big supporter of FDR. Reagan said that he did not leave the Democratic Party, but that the Party left him. (ie. they changed their opinions and he was no longer a supporter.) quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Truman who started overseeing the civil rights movement by desegregation of the armed services and attacking Jim Crow laws? Fn democratic anarchist, to be sure.. Everyone pretty much likes Truman, which is a pretty good sign for a leader. If your point was that Democrats are not universally bad, then, of course, that is true. quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young LBJ who passed civil rights? What a tree hugging liberal. There were a lot of important civil rights bills, the one from 1964 was the most important, but there were a bunch of others. All of them had more Republican support than Democratic support, which is noteworthy since the only people mentioned in your brief history of the US were Democrats. https://www.countable.us/articles/17557-fact-check-republicans-voted-civil-rights-act-percentage-democrats-did quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young You make idiotic claims about your democratic opponents, and demonstrate a complete lack of history before 1990... Says the guy that ran through all of US history but skipped over the Civil War and the reason the Republican Party was founded: the abolition of slavery. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/republican-party-founded quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young You and your like minded faux news teat fed bot thinkers ARE the problem... unome/cpa/( I don’t know squat about any current or past even that is not sports related..KGB.) Everyone should watch both Fox News and a left-leaning network like CNN. Get both sides of the story. It is the only way to really get the full picture. It is unclear how either Ricky, or I, or anyone else "ARE the problem", unless there is some sort of problem with thinking differently than Dan Young? I suppose I could say something silly like you are problem for thinking differently than I do, but how ridiculous would that be? Once upon a time, the word liberal literally meant open-minded. But, obviously, times change. Cancel culture is as illiberal as it gets. quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young It is like watching the three stooges battle deep blue.. you are so out of your depth you think the whale shit falling on your heads, is manna from Trump’s anal sphincter. I suppose it would not be a true Dan Young rant without the reader having some sort of uneasy feeling that you do not always have both oars in the water. And here it is. Massively condescending, but will anyone on the left lecture you on being as condescending as a person can be? No, because, like I told KG, the left thinks they can be as condescending to anyone on the right, or even the center, because they believe they are wrong. And it is OK to be condescending and demeaning to someone that is 'wrong'. We do need to stop calling the left "liberals" though, because liberal means "open to new behavior or opinions". And there is no longer openness to other opinions on the left anymore. The left has becoming less and less tolerant of dissent for decades, but Trump appears to be the last straw. But Trump being a demeaning a-hole, does not justify anyone else being one. Like we say to our kids when they say: "well, Billy did it first", we say: "if someones else does something wrong, it does not make it OK to do the same wrong thing back". Let's try and keep things as above the board as possible and leave the metaphorical "whale shit" being dumped on our opponents heads out of the discussion. Or, as I tell my son: "sometimes, you just have to think bad things about people you do not like, but it is best not to say those things out loud". The same could be said about writing them on the Internet. Keep your whale shit to yourself.

Mark Anderson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 1:57:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction. Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on. I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting. I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg. A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch. You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs. When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled. Just agree to disagree and move on. So tell me, since you lack the courage to engage in any.. an of the politic threads, because ... oh horrors.. you might get called a “nazi” as opposed to a “ libtard” or tree hugger... Do you support the Republican Party platform? Federalism? strict constructionism? Unilateralism? Too many? Pick one. Look it up so you know what it means, if not. I used to engage. Decided sticking to sports was what I wanted to do(and yes, I'm a hypocrite for jumping back in to this fray). Probably done with this pretty soon. Am I lockstep with the GOP platform? Probably not. Should there be more compromises in Politics? Yes. It's a diverse country. Needs to be some give and take on both sides. Brad said DEMs are for unity. I disagreed. About sums it up.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 2:02:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction. Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on. I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting. I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg. A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch. You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs. When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled. Just agree to disagree and move on. You can say what you want about parties claiming they want to unite the country, but the action tells the real story, not words. I'm not sure you can say the same about the right. When you look at their agenda, the left agenda represents uniting the country. If you look at their history, it is about inclusivity. When it comes to representation, it is inclusive. They have continued to fight for health care for all. They are union-friendly, equal rights-friendly and just put a woman on the ticket for a second straight election, along with an African American for the third out of the last four. The right wants to build walls, stop people from voting, eliminate health care rights and does just about everything in its power to take from the poor and give to the uber-wealthy. I'm not going to say anything about making them out to be Nazis, but if you'd like me to provide a few images from events in recent years, it wouldn't take me but a few seconds to generate 100's of them. Remind me again, who was fighting to keep statues and confederate flags two months back and who was fighting to get rid of them. My memory is a bit fuzzy. In the end, action speaks much louder than words. Are the democrats perfect and their followers perfect? Absolutely not. But I'll take inclusivity over exclusivity any day of the week. It's what makes a place vibrant and colorful. Anybody else out there think the Republican Party is inclusive in nature? You complaints are more about Trump than anything else, and I agree with those complaints. But, almost all of your criticisms of Republicans would not be true of the two previous Republican Presidential candidates: McCain and Romney. I do think it is hard to be both the party of whale shit on the heads of those that disagree with you - and Dan's post got two other 5 start votes so it is not just his opinion - and pretend to be the party of inclusiveness. Feels like you are only inclusive of those that agree with you. Whoopee! Who is not inclusive of like-minded people?

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 2:08:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H For what it's worth, I would be more than happy to support a Republican if they would just quit catering to the 1%. In fact, I voted Republican up until about the late-80's, early-90's. In the past 15-20 years they've gone completely off the rails and I have no idea who they are any more. My values have changed. The process has become more money-driven. I found humanity. They've gone in the other direction. Outside of playing golf and being white, Donald Trump and myself have almost nothing in common. I love the differences in our country. He seems to want to have things monochromatic. I take joy giving back. He takes joy in taking. I like things that are inclusive. He likes things that are exclusive. I treat women with respect and dignity. He treats women like an object. It goes on and on. I've told people since the beginning of the primaries that I'm not the biggest Joe Biden fan. At times, he can be a bumbling fool. However, I trust that Joe Biden is going to surround himself with competency. Trump appears to be all about nepotism, and has incompetency everywhere you look. One appears to be about bringing people together. The other is about dividing and conquering. At the end of the day, it's the easiest decision I've had to make in 40 years of voting. I wasn't driven to this point by the media, because I think for myself. I was driven there by Donald Trump and his adolescence. He's had 3.5+ years to prove himself an adult. He inherited a great economy and a country making gradual changes in the right direction. He proceeded to turn the ship in another direction and drive it right into an iceberg. A wise man once told me, if you continue to bang your head into a wall, eventually you have to say ouch. You can't be that blind to the fact that Conservatives think the same about the DEM/Libs. When you tell me the DEM Party is about uniting the country, I call BS. It is about uniting only if you agree with them. If not, you are a Nazi who deserves to be cancelled. Just agree to disagree and move on. You can say what you want about parties claiming they want to unite the country, but the action tells the real story, not words. I'm not sure you can say the same about the right. When you look at their agenda, the left agenda represents uniting the country. If you look at their history, it is about inclusivity. When it comes to representation, it is inclusive. They have continued to fight for health care for all. They are union-friendly, equal rights-friendly and just put a woman on the ticket for a second straight election, along with an African American for the third out of the last four. The right wants to build walls, stop people from voting, eliminate health care rights and does just about everything in its power to take from the poor and give to the uber-wealthy. I'm not going to say anything about making them out to be Nazis, but if you'd like me to provide a few images from events in recent years, it wouldn't take me but a few seconds to generate 100's of them. Remind me again, who was fighting to keep statues and confederate flags two months back and who was fighting to get rid of them. My memory is a bit fuzzy. In the end, action speaks much louder than words. Are the democrats perfect and their followers perfect? Absolutely not. But I'll take inclusivity over exclusivity any day of the week. It's what makes a place vibrant and colorful. Anybody else out there think the Republican Party is inclusive in nature? You complaints are more about Trump than anything else, and I agree with those complaints. But, almost all of your criticisms of Republicans would not be true of the two previous Republican Presidential candidates: McCain and Romney. I do think it is hard to be both the party of whale shit on the heads of those that disagree with you - and Dan's post got two other 5 start votes so it is not just his opinion - and pretend to be the party of inclusiveness. Feels like you are only inclusive of those that agree with you. Whoopee! Who is not inclusive of like-minded people? I have no issues with Romney. Many forget, McCain was one of the original Keating Five. He'll never get a free pass from me.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 2:28:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young So tell me, since you lack the courage to engage in any.. an of the politic threads, because ... oh horrors.. you might get called a “nazi” as opposed to a “ libtard” or tree hugger... Do you support the Republican Party platform? Federalism? strict constructionism? Unilateralism? Too many? Pick one. Look it up so you know what it means, if not. First, let me say that not wanting to continue discussions that involve being mocked, ridiculed and metaphorically doused with whale shit is not lacking "courage". It is thinking there is something better to do with one's time. Something I, no doubt, will choose sooner than later. I support the Libertarian Party platform more than the Republican one, but I will touch upon a few things you brought up. We have a federal system and always have, so, of course, I support federalism. I am sure you mean something specific, but it is not clear. I do support having power devolve away from the center whenever possible. This means more power to the people and local governments when possible. This does not mean the local governments are allowed to do bad things or that the national government cannot step in and make things right, but I like having the choice to move to a different state if I do not like the laws or policies of a particular state government. And "strict constructionalism" is the best protection against judge-made law. Now, I understand that many people like judge-made law when they like the ends it brings, but all you have to do is think about what would happen if five Supreme Court Judges appointed for life decide to start ruling things you like unconstitutional would be like. Probably would bother you a bit. Anyone could twist things around and rule the complete opposite to what we both think is right and pretend to base it very vaguely on the Constitution and that shows how unwise this strategy is for the long-term. Read the Dred Scott opinion if you want to see how this would work and how it can be a disaster. We have allowed the Supreme Court to be philosopher-kings in regards to our social public policy and, while I like many of their rulings, I do not like the power being taken away from the people. I do find it bizarre that the people most OK with this call themselves Democrats as this is literally the opposite of democracy. I am not a huge fan of unilateralism, but it is certainly acceptable in some actions. Bush, Obama and Trump have all acted unilaterally to take out terrorists. Is this a problem?

Todd M -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 2:33:20 PM)
Dan's post got two other 5 start votes so it is not just his opinion - and pretend to be the party of inclusiveness. Incorrect. His collection of stars indicates 1 5 star and 1 one star rating.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 2:36:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H I have no issues with Romney. Many forget, McCain was one of the original Keating Five. He'll never get a free pass from me. Two of the 5 were not charged with anything ethically wrong. Not surprisingly, these were the two Senators that continued to have a political career: McCain and Glenn. Form Wiki: "The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him." It is funny that the right hated McCain with a passion after he refused to vote for the repeal of Obamacare because the Republicans did not offer up a plan to replace it with something better. I think this vote showed what a great man he was. It took huge courage and caused many in his own party to hate him.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 2:40:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M Dan's post got two other 5 start votes so it is not just his opinion - and pretend to be the party of inclusiveness. Incorrect. His collection of stars indicates 1 5 star and 1 one star rating. He had 4 stars at one point earlier today, so I am assuming that meant two 5 stars and one 1 star. Now it is 3 stars, which I assume means he received another 1 star vote bringing him down to 3 stars. 2 5 star votes and 2 one star votes. Either way, he is getting positive votes for his "whale shit" post, which involves shockingly bad judgment on the behalf of some here.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 2:54:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome Lots to unpack in the Dan rant. Let's look at each one. I’m going to skip the rebuttal quoting, because it’s too long to address However your use of false equivalency is epic. I went back to about WW1.. Seemed like a good limit.. , just over 100 years... but hey.. You think Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt were representing “republican ideologically”? The current Republican Party is so diametrically opposed to those two Presidents’s political and social and economic ideas that claiming they are the “ roots” of the Republican Party is juuuust a bit disingenuous. TR was a conservationist and tree hugger..deluxe. Created the national parks system to preserve this country’s natural resources. Crafted deals to end a coal strike ... He remains the youngest person to become President of the United States. Roosevelt was a leader of the progressive movement, and he championed his "Square Deal" domestic policies, promising the average citizen fairness, breaking of trusts, regulation of railroads, and pure food and drugs. How is that anything like citizens united and or current corporate control of policy decisions? Lincoln championed a war for unity, human rights and equality, yes? You think his stands as a beacon of he Republican Party? https://millercenter.org/president/lincoln/domestic-affairs Lincoln denied that the states had ever possessed independent sovereignty as colonies and territories. He claimed that the states had accepted unconditionally the sovereignty of the national government with the ratification of the Constitution. To those Southerners who claimed the right of revolution to justify secession—just like the founding fathers had revolted against England—Lincoln answered with a legalistic distinction rooted in common sense. The right of revolution, he argued, is not a legal right but a moral right that depends upon the suppression of liberties and freedoms in order for it to be justified. The only thing you have stated correctly is that parties have evolved or devolved, depending on your POV. It speaks volumes that you have to reach way back into history to point out “Republican” Presidents who were “ Great Americans.” It’s a bit skimpy territory with: Trump Bush Bush Reagan Ford Nixon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower Maybe you would like to cite Eisenhower? In domestic affairs, Eisenhower supported a policy of "modern Republicanism" that occupied a middle ground between liberal Democrats and the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Eisenhower continued New Deal programs, expanded Social Security, and prioritized a balanced budget over tax cuts. He signed the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent Army troops to enforce federal court orders which integrated schools in Little Rock, Arkansas. His largest program was the Interstate Highway System. He promoted the establishment of strong science education via the National Defense Education Act. Wait.. wait... let’s not, since he seems to have been some kind of left leaning moderate.. His policy decisions seem a bit out of step as well.. Man this is kind of rough.. Seeing good in the current Republican ideology as it coincides with such a broad and ever changing policy pattern.. Where did the Republican get so far off course? [sm=whistling.gif]

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 3:23:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: unome Lots to unpack in the Dan rant. Let's look at each one. I’m going to skip the rebuttal quoting, because it’s too long to address However your use of false equivalency is epic. I went back to about WW1.. Seemed like a good limit.. , just over 100 years... but hey.. You think Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt were representing “republican ideologically”? The current Republican Party is so diametrically opposed to those two Presidents’s political and social and economic ideas that claiming they are the “ roots” of the Republican Party is juuuust a bit disingenuous. TR was a conservationist and tree hugger..deluxe. Created the national parks system to preserve this country’s natural resources. Crafted deals to end a coal strike ... He remains the youngest person to become President of the United States. Roosevelt was a leader of the progressive movement, and he championed his "Square Deal" domestic policies, promising the average citizen fairness, breaking of trusts, regulation of railroads, and pure food and drugs. How is that anything like citizens united and or current corporate control of policy decisions? Lincoln championed a war for unity, human rights and equality, yes? You think his stands as a beacon of he Republican Party? https://millercenter.org/president/lincoln/domestic-affairs Lincoln denied that the states had ever possessed independent sovereignty as colonies and territories. He claimed that the states had accepted unconditionally the sovereignty of the national government with the ratification of the Constitution. To those Southerners who claimed the right of revolution to justify secession—just like the founding fathers had revolted against England—Lincoln answered with a legalistic distinction rooted in common sense. The right of revolution, he argued, is not a legal right but a moral right that depends upon the suppression of liberties and freedoms in order for it to be justified. The only thing you have stated correctly is that parties have evolved or devolved, depending on your POV. It speaks volumes that you have to reach way back into history to point out “Republican” Presidents who were “ Great Americans.” It’s a bit skimpy territory with: Trump Bush Bush Reagan Ford Nixon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower Maybe you would like to cite Eisenhower? In domestic affairs, Eisenhower supported a policy of "modern Republicanism" that occupied a middle ground between liberal Democrats and the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Eisenhower continued New Deal programs, expanded Social Security, and prioritized a balanced budget over tax cuts. He signed the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent Army troops to enforce federal court orders which integrated schools in Little Rock, Arkansas. His largest program was the Interstate Highway System. He promoted the establishment of strong science education via the National Defense Education Act. Wait.. wait... let’s not, since he seems to have been some kind of left leaning moderate.. His policy decisions seem a bit out of step as well.. Man this is kind of rough.. Seeing good in the current Republican ideology as it coincides with such a broad and ever changing policy pattern.. Where did the Republican get so far off course? [sm=whistling.gif] You seem to assume that I, or anyone here, has the same beliefs as what you define as "Republican ones". I love what progressives did in the early part of last century. I love national parks and the Interstate Highways System (Ike), and Civil Rights for all (many people). I love the EPA (Nixon), Title 9 (Nixon), the economic structure that has worked well for our country (mostly Reagan with some JFK and Clinton) and I think that McCain and Romney were the best candidates since Clinton, but they lost so, what can you do? Trump, Biden, Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Bush and Gore were all pretty poor candidates. I wish the parties would stop giving us terrible choices. Bush or Gore? Bush or Kerry? Trump or Hillary? Trump or Biden? I do not like any of those choices. I think we have have no above average Presidents in the past 20 years and that will go to 24 years regardless of who wins in November. Republicans are not always right and neither are Democrats. They keep giving us bad choices for the most important job there is. I blame the party system and how they do their primaries. Let everyone Republicans, Democrats and independents - vote in June and the two top vote-getters, regardless of party, get to be on the ballot for November. Then moderates can run and try to get the vote of enough moderates and independents to get a spot at the table.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 3:24:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Where did the Republican get so far off course? [sm=whistling.gif] The short answer to this was: nominating Trump.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 3:34:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H I have no issues with Romney. Many forget, McCain was one of the original Keating Five. He'll never get a free pass from me. Two of the 5 were not charged with anything ethically wrong. Not surprisingly, these were the two Senators that continued to have a political career: McCain and Glenn. Form Wiki: "The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him." It is funny that the right hated McCain with a passion after he refused to vote for the repeal of Obamacare because the Republicans did not offer up a plan to replace it with something better. I think this vote showed what a great man he was. It took huge courage and caused many in his own party to hate him. There's something about cheating old people out of their life's savings that never quite sits well with me.

David F. -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/16/2020 3:35:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Where did the Republican get so far off course? [sm=whistling.gif] The short answer to this was: nominating Trump. No way it was newt Gingrich and those in the GOP that adhered to his ‘they are the enemy’ approach to lawmaking. That’s where it began. It’s been a steady slide since. Politicians have always been liars - it’s just now we’re at the point where it’s not even frowned upon anymore and there’s no accountability. Ultimately it’s our fault as citizens. How do we fix? Step one - stop cheering for the head liar - the big fat stupid orange one.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/17/2020 3:04:08 AM)
L quote: ORIGINAL: unome Trump, Biden, Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Bush and Gore were all pretty poor candidates. I wish the parties would stop giving us terrible choices. Bush or Gore? Bush or Kerry? Trump or Hillary? Trump or Biden? I do not like any of those choices. I think we have have no above average Presidents in the past 20 years and that will go to 24 years regardless of who wins in November. Republicans are not always right and neither are Democrats. They keep giving us bad choices for the most important job there is. I blame the party system and how they do their primaries. Let everyone Republicans, Democrats and independents - vote in June and the two top vote-getters, regardless of party, get to be on the ballot for November. Then moderates can run and try to get the vote of enough moderates and independents to get a spot at the table. Again, no need to quote certain things when trying to define a position. I find it interesting that you look at only the past 20 years, and possibly 4 years forward. We can agree that 4 more years on the current path is a disaster extension of looong term consequences? I also find it interesting that your list of “poor candidates or Presidents” includes the terms of 2 Republicans and 1 Democrat, yet the list of poor choices in election, skips Obama, but not your personal list of “terrible choices”? So was Obama really just a (sic) not above average choice? I think it was way, way past time to put the Lilly White leadership schemas away. I also agree that there needs to be a change in our “almost exclusively” two party system. Corruption and racism and greed and the whole “faith based, capitalist, corporate, self serving, profit as the driving force, consumerism, short sighted ecological and economic, military meddling and attempting to push the American Democracy” policy structure across the globe is not only futile, but incredibly stupid. This country cannot be a template, in it’s current political and economic and military and ecological form, for anything , IMO, other than a case study in how not to “do democracy”. I am far from an anarchist, and also, just as far from being a fascist. Given the complete lack of control that an individual has, it is Critically important, that being able to recognize “ the lesser of two evils”, as bad as the option is, is the only path to fixing that. You do not compound the interest on a failed ideology, simply because it fits a personal agenda. I would be more than happy, hypothetically, so see Biden fall over dead, say ten days after being sworn in? Disaster or Sea Change for American Politics? Pure unadulterated fear and loathing for a stubborn, narrow minded, recalcitrant, xenophobic, hissy fit throwing, minority bordering on civil war, or at a minimum, disobedience bordering on a riot? Bring it on. The extremist ones on all points of the political compass, need to se that they are the outsiders, the root of the problem. I want to see the radicals At all points of that Compass, have a stroke. But that’s just my opinion. I have been around SINCE Eisenhower. My world view is tempered in the fires of lies and truths, trust and betrayal, loyalty and honor, want and need, loss and faith, hope and despair, charity and greed. Is that view biased, yes. But I know that. I know I have bias and flaws and racism and more personal faults than I care to discuss. But, I feel, by my own moral compass, that I know which general direction is better. Divisiveness and hatred, fear and loathing, twisting words and action to further an agenda of oppression and xenophobia, and maintain a “ status quo “ is not that direction. Change must happen, and kicking and screaming or taking the lead on a personal level are your options. Trump and his particular brand of “Republican ideology” and those who enable and believe and follow, rather than speak against it, is a non starter.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/17/2020 3:11:40 AM)
Damn, I apologies again for thread hijacking... Stuff happens..

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