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David F. -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/22/2020 11:16:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I think you guys should head down to your local biker bar and storm in there and tell these scum bags everything you've been preaching here. Don't hold back either, give it to em with both barrels. What would be the problem with that? Is the implication that a bar full of bikers would do bodily harm to me if I said something derogatory about their selfish attitude that asks for private passenger vehicle operators to give special attention to 'look out' for them when they're on the road yet they can in turn scoff about doing their part to look out for my safety as it relates to the pandemic? And because I'm in their bar it will likely be a case of 30-50 bikers against just me? Well I think you'll be sorry to hear that your comment pretty much solidifies the idea that bikers are insecure ninnies that need a loud motor and strength in numbers to be 'tough'. I think South Park did an episode on this.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/22/2020 11:55:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I think you guys should head down to your local biker bar and storm in there and tell these scum bags everything you've been preaching here. Walking into a biker bar would involve cutting my IQ in half, which I'm not interested in.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 8:19:51 AM)
At this point we can now start seeing what states have handled the Coronavirus better than others. States with the highest rates of infections of its population (cases per million) are: 1. Louisiana 2. Florida 3. Mississippi 4. Alabama 5. Arizona 6. Georgia 7. South Carolina 8. Tennessee 9. Texas 10. Iowa Anybody see a correlation to leadership in those states? Interestingly, many of these states are among the worst educated states as well. According to USA Today (education ratings): 48. Mississippi 46. Louisiana 44. Arizona 43. Alabama 41. South Carolina 40. Texas 36. Tennessee 32. Georgia 29. Florida 17. Iowa

jbusse -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 12:18:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H At this point we can now start seeing what states have handled the Coronavirus better than others. States with the highest rates of infections of its population (cases per million) are: 1. Louisiana 2. Florida 3. Mississippi 4. Alabama 5. Arizona 6. Georgia 7. South Carolina 8. Tennessee 9. Texas 10. Iowa Anybody see a correlation to leadership in those states? Interestingly, many of these states are among the worst educated states as well. According to USA Today (education ratings): 48. Mississippi 46. Louisiana 44. Arizona 43. Alabama 41. South Carolina 40. Texas 36. Tennessee 32. Georgia 29. Florida 17. Iowa Death rate per 100,000 from covid-19 by state: 1. New Jersey, 181 per 100,000, Democratic governor 2. New York, 170, Democratic 3. Massachusetts, 135, Republican 4. Connecticut, 126, Democratic 5. Louisiana, 116, Democratic 6. Rhode Island, 104, Democratic 7. Mississippi, 96, Republican 8. District of Columbia, 88, Democratic mayor 9. Arizona, 76, Republican 10. Michigan, 70, Democratic 11. Illinois, 69, Democratic 12. Maryland, 64, Republican 13. Delaware, 64, Democratic 14. Georgia, 63, Republican 15. Pennsylvania, 63, Democratic

David F. -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 12:31:12 PM)
Treatment effectiveness has improved from the time the virus first hit in New York to present day. New York had the least advantage. The true embarrassments on that list are Louisiana, Mississippi, Arizona, Michigan, Illinois and Georgia.

thebigo -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 12:34:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I think you guys should head down to your local biker bar and storm in there and tell these scum bags everything you've been preaching here. Don't hold back either, give it to em with both barrels. What would be the problem with that? Is the implication that a bar full of bikers would do bodily harm to me if I said something derogatory about their selfish attitude that asks for private passenger vehicle operators to give special attention to 'look out' for them when they're on the road yet they can in turn scoff about doing their part to look out for my safety as it relates to the pandemic? And because I'm in their bar it will likely be a case of 30-50 bikers against just me? Well I think you'll be sorry to hear that your comment pretty much solidifies the idea that bikers are insecure ninnies that need a loud motor and strength in numbers to be 'tough'. I think South Park did an episode on this. South Park is where I usually go for my reference material. Just to make my argument ironclad.

thebigo -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 12:41:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo Here's the thing that non-riders don't understand. Were different from you. We ride at night knowing that if a deer jumps put in front of us, well that's a problem. For those in a 4 wheeled cage, for the most part that's a problem for the deer. Hopefully we are able to get out of that situation unscathed. MOST times that's the case. Our approach to life essentially involves risks that most/many ensure that they filter out of their lives. It's not like suddenly based on a virus that kills 1 in about 20000 people, we're going to stop riding, we are way less concerned about COVID than we are about a deer jumping out in front of us. Here’s the thing about us non-riders. We already have a set between our legs. We don’t need a couple hundred pounds of vibrating metal there to make us feel like Men. (or women) Sounds about right. "Honey isn't it adorable how the windshield wipers turn on automatically at the slightest sense of rain?"

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 12:43:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H At this point we can now start seeing what states have handled the Coronavirus better than others. States with the highest rates of infections of its population (cases per million) are: 1. Louisiana 2. Florida 3. Mississippi 4. Alabama 5. Arizona 6. Georgia 7. South Carolina 8. Tennessee 9. Texas 10. Iowa Anybody see a correlation to leadership in those states? Interestingly, many of these states are among the worst educated states as well. According to USA Today (education ratings): 48. Mississippi 46. Louisiana 44. Arizona 43. Alabama 41. South Carolina 40. Texas 36. Tennessee 32. Georgia 29. Florida 17. Iowa Death rate per 100,000 from covid-19 by state: 1. New Jersey, 181 per 100,000, Democratic governor 2. New York, 170, Democratic 3. Massachusetts, 135, Republican 4. Connecticut, 126, Democratic 5. Louisiana, 116, Democratic 6. Rhode Island, 104, Democratic 7. Mississippi, 96, Republican 8. District of Columbia, 88, Democratic mayor 9. Arizona, 76, Republican 10. Michigan, 70, Democratic 11. Illinois, 69, Democratic 12. Maryland, 64, Republican 13. Delaware, 64, Democratic 14. Georgia, 63, Republican 15. Pennsylvania, 63, Democratic Death rate is a very different type of statistic. The states that were adversely affected in the beginning took a huge hit and have massive population centers with tremendous density. Once we figured out how to mitigate the spread (masks and social distancing), the virus had already done its damage and run its course with massive amounts of death. Since then it seems that Republican governors have done a horrid job at controlling the spread. Bad messaging. Bad governing of the pandemic. Yesterday New York had 782 cases and two deaths. They learned and adapted. Yesterday, Texas had 4,269 cases and 107 deaths. They haven't learned nor adapted. After six months one would think the leaderships would have enough of an understanding to develop a message that is safe for their constituents.

ronhextall -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 12:47:11 PM)
Initially some governors made horrible decisions that cost a lot of lives. At this point Covid is like cigarettes, everybody knows the risks and how to avoid them. Its personally responsibility at this point. Factors like obesity, general health, and poor decisions are out of governments control.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 12:50:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Initially some governors made horrible decisions that cost a lot of lives. At this point Covid is like cigarettes, everybody knows the risks and how to avoid them. Its personally responsibility at this point. Factors like obesity, general health, and poor decisions are out of governments control. Very true, but if you idolize a figurehead who doesn't wear a mask and are getting bad information from him/her, you are more likely to make bad decisions and follow voodoo political messaging. That's why it is key to have responsible messaging coming from the highest places. Bad and irresponsible leadership leads to bad results.

ronhextall -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 12:54:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Initially some governors made horrible decisions that cost a lot of lives. At this point Covid is like cigarettes, everybody knows the risks and how to avoid them. Its personally responsibility at this point. Factors like obesity, general health, and poor decisions are out of governments control. Very true, but if you idolize a figurehead who doesn't wear a mask and are getting bad information from him/her, you are more likely to make bad decisions and follow voodoo political messaging. That's why it is key to have responsible messaging coming from the highest places. Bad and irresponsible leadership leads to bad results. You can't fix stupid, that fact cuts across all lines (party, race, sex, ect..)

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 1:02:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Initially some governors made horrible decisions that cost a lot of lives. At this point Covid is like cigarettes, everybody knows the risks and how to avoid them. Its personally responsibility at this point. Factors like obesity, general health, and poor decisions are out of governments control. Very true, but if you idolize a figurehead who doesn't wear a mask and are getting bad information from him/her, you are more likely to make bad decisions and follow voodoo political messaging. That's why it is key to have responsible messaging coming from the highest places. Bad and irresponsible leadership leads to bad results. You can't fix stupid, that fact cuts across all lines (party, race, sex, ect..) Very true. But over time, conservative governors have clearly been spinning a much more stupid and irresponsible message as it relates to a deadly virus killing their constituents. People can bitch and moan all they want about science, but when they get sick they will be looking towards science (doctors and nurses) to get them well. At the end of the day, when a person has a heart attack, they don't care if the surgeon is a Republican or Democrat. They don't care if they are black or white. They don't care if they are gay or straight. Just get the heart pumping again. Trust me, I had one. When I went to the hospital I wasn't asking for a voter ID before they worked on me. At the end of the day, they (the governors) have blood on their hands. Personal responsibility doesn't absolve governors of their responsibility to serve their constituents. They took an oath. They are there to serve and lead, not to provide a quicker pathway to death through irresponsible messaging. The people have put their trust in them.

David F. -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 1:29:53 PM)
This is what leadership failing/refusing to lead by example causes: https://www.mediaite.com/news/ohio-lt-gov-booed-at-trump-rally-while-trying-to-encourage-mask-wearing/

David F. -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 1:32:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I think you guys should head down to your local biker bar and storm in there and tell these scum bags everything you've been preaching here. Don't hold back either, give it to em with both barrels. What would be the problem with that? Is the implication that a bar full of bikers would do bodily harm to me if I said something derogatory about their selfish attitude that asks for private passenger vehicle operators to give special attention to 'look out' for them when they're on the road yet they can in turn scoff about doing their part to look out for my safety as it relates to the pandemic? And because I'm in their bar it will likely be a case of 30-50 bikers against just me? Well I think you'll be sorry to hear that your comment pretty much solidifies the idea that bikers are insecure ninnies that need a loud motor and strength in numbers to be 'tough'. I think South Park did an episode on this. South Park is where I usually go for my reference material. Just to make my argument ironclad. Oh it's a great episode.

jbusse -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 3:48:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H At this point we can now start seeing what states have handled the Coronavirus better than others. States with the highest rates of infections of its population (cases per million) are: 1. Louisiana 2. Florida 3. Mississippi 4. Alabama 5. Arizona 6. Georgia 7. South Carolina 8. Tennessee 9. Texas 10. Iowa Anybody see a correlation to leadership in those states? Interestingly, many of these states are among the worst educated states as well. According to USA Today (education ratings): 48. Mississippi 46. Louisiana 44. Arizona 43. Alabama 41. South Carolina 40. Texas 36. Tennessee 32. Georgia 29. Florida 17. Iowa Death rate per 100,000 from covid-19 by state: 1. New Jersey, 181 per 100,000, Democratic governor 2. New York, 170, Democratic 3. Massachusetts, 135, Republican 4. Connecticut, 126, Democratic 5. Louisiana, 116, Democratic 6. Rhode Island, 104, Democratic 7. Mississippi, 96, Republican 8. District of Columbia, 88, Democratic mayor 9. Arizona, 76, Republican 10. Michigan, 70, Democratic 11. Illinois, 69, Democratic 12. Maryland, 64, Republican 13. Delaware, 64, Democratic 14. Georgia, 63, Republican 15. Pennsylvania, 63, Democratic Death rate is a very different type of statistic. The states that were adversely affected in the beginning took a huge hit and have massive population centers with tremendous density. Once we figured out how to mitigate the spread (masks and social distancing), the virus had already done its damage and run its course with massive amounts of death. Since then it seems that Republican governors have done a horrid job at controlling the spread. Bad messaging. Bad governing of the pandemic. Yesterday New York had 782 cases and two deaths. They learned and adapted. Yesterday, Texas had 4,269 cases and 107 deaths. They haven't learned nor adapted. After six months one would think the leaderships would have enough of an understanding to develop a message that is safe for their constituents. Just saying it's too complex of a situation to infer leadership from the one statistic that you cited. And you can't talk about New York as a covid success story without acknowledging that Cuomo made an egregious mistake when he sent recovering covid patients into nursing homes after it was well known how lethal covid is among the elderly.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 3:53:35 PM)
Of course states with a higher ratio of their population in cities would likely have higher rates of a contagious virus, and subsequent deaths. They can't all be flyover states.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 4:18:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H At this point we can now start seeing what states have handled the Coronavirus better than others. States with the highest rates of infections of its population (cases per million) are: 1. Louisiana 2. Florida 3. Mississippi 4. Alabama 5. Arizona 6. Georgia 7. South Carolina 8. Tennessee 9. Texas 10. Iowa Anybody see a correlation to leadership in those states? Interestingly, many of these states are among the worst educated states as well. According to USA Today (education ratings): 48. Mississippi 46. Louisiana 44. Arizona 43. Alabama 41. South Carolina 40. Texas 36. Tennessee 32. Georgia 29. Florida 17. Iowa Death rate per 100,000 from covid-19 by state: 1. New Jersey, 181 per 100,000, Democratic governor 2. New York, 170, Democratic 3. Massachusetts, 135, Republican 4. Connecticut, 126, Democratic 5. Louisiana, 116, Democratic 6. Rhode Island, 104, Democratic 7. Mississippi, 96, Republican 8. District of Columbia, 88, Democratic mayor 9. Arizona, 76, Republican 10. Michigan, 70, Democratic 11. Illinois, 69, Democratic 12. Maryland, 64, Republican 13. Delaware, 64, Democratic 14. Georgia, 63, Republican 15. Pennsylvania, 63, Democratic Death rate is a very different type of statistic. The states that were adversely affected in the beginning took a huge hit and have massive population centers with tremendous density. Once we figured out how to mitigate the spread (masks and social distancing), the virus had already done its damage and run its course with massive amounts of death. Since then it seems that Republican governors have done a horrid job at controlling the spread. Bad messaging. Bad governing of the pandemic. Yesterday New York had 782 cases and two deaths. They learned and adapted. Yesterday, Texas had 4,269 cases and 107 deaths. They haven't learned nor adapted. After six months one would think the leaderships would have enough of an understanding to develop a message that is safe for their constituents. Just saying it's too complex of a situation to infer leadership from the one statistic that you cited. And you can't talk about New York as a covid success story without acknowledging that Cuomo made an egregious mistake when he sent recovering covid patients into nursing homes after it was well known how lethal covid is among the elderly. Cuomo did make some mistakes. I was one of the first to say it at the beginning. However, if you're asking me if Cuomo did a nice job after his initial start in relation to some of the other governors, I will say absolutely yes. He was the first to have a massive outbreak. He had no historical reference point to draw from. The other governors had already seen the worst of COVID from afar before it even hit their state and still made tremendous mistakes. Still today, some six months later, they are still handling it poorly. But lets not pretend that New York City is similar to just about any other city in the country. The density is off the charts, much like European cities. I don't think he had any idea what had hit him and what was coming.

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 4:40:08 PM)
The novel coronavirus may be mutating — learning, in a sense — to defeat human protective measures such as masks, soap and perhaps even vaccines, according to the largest genetic study of the virus conducted in the United States. The study, led by scientists in Houston and released Wednesday before being peer-reviewed, found that the constantly evolving virus has produced a rapidly spreading mutant strain that appears to be especially contagious. "It is well within the realm of possibility that … when our population-level immunity gets high enough, this coronavirus will find a way to get around our immunity," a virologist at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases told The Washington Post. "If that happened, we’d be in the same situation as with flu. We’ll have to chase the virus and, as it mutates, we’ll have to tinker with our vaccine." https://s2.washingtonpost.com/2bb669d/5f6bb02f9d2fda2c369e810c/5e77d2b5ade4e21f590ddb7a/10/62/5af11cbeecc2ac02bfd71c5ae0063812

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 4:48:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine The novel coronavirus may be mutating — learning, in a sense — to defeat human protective measures such as masks, soap and perhaps even vaccines, according to the largest genetic study of the virus conducted in the United States. The study, led by scientists in Houston and released Wednesday before being peer-reviewed, found that the constantly evolving virus has produced a rapidly spreading mutant strain that appears to be especially contagious. "It is well within the realm of possibility that … when our population-level immunity gets high enough, this coronavirus will find a way to get around our immunity," a virologist at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases told The Washington Post. "If that happened, we’d be in the same situation as with flu. We’ll have to chase the virus and, as it mutates, we’ll have to tinker with our vaccine." https://s2.washingtonpost.com/2bb669d/5f6bb02f9d2fda2c369e810c/5e77d2b5ade4e21f590ddb7a/10/62/5af11cbeecc2ac02bfd71c5ae0063812 There goes the pro-herd immunity argument. What will they come up with next? Or is it back to bleach and Hydroxychloroquine? I've got a great idea. How about staying home for three weeks and wearing a mask in public when you must go out? If we had done that six months ago we'd likely have about 140,000 less dead people and life would be as close to normal with social distancing and masks as one could expect. If the NFL can make the commitment of playing in front of nobody, bike riders should be able to consider skipping the Sturgis Rally. Just a thought.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 6:42:14 PM)
Missouri governor and his wife now have the Trumpvirus.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 7:44:07 PM)
High numbers in Wisconsin (1,762), Oklahoma (1,089), Kansas (1,300), Iowa (1,053), Missouri (1,428), North Dakota (473) and South Dakota (445) today. The Trumpvirus isn't gone yet. Not even close in the Heartland. Some of the highest numbers they've had since the beginning.

David F. -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 7:49:09 PM)
North Dakota and South Dakota also doing poorly. Their daily new case numbers are only 300-4xx but you have to remember very few people live there and they’re spread out really well.

thebigo -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/23/2020 9:33:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Initially some governors made horrible decisions that cost a lot of lives. At this point Covid is like cigarettes, everybody knows the risks and how to avoid them. Its personally responsibility at this point. Factors like obesity, general health, and poor decisions are out of governments control. Very true, but if you idolize a figurehead who doesn't wear a mask and are getting bad information from him/her, you are more likely to make bad decisions and follow voodoo political messaging. That's why it is key to have responsible messaging coming from the highest places. Bad and irresponsible leadership leads to bad results. You can't fix stupid, that fact cuts across all lines (party, race, sex, ect..) True but duct tape can muffle the sound

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/25/2020 9:24:29 PM)
COVID is going up again folks. Over 53,000 new cases in the country today. Governors saying all kids belong in school. A president saying kids belong in school. College football with fans. When will we learn? Are we capable at this point? I have my doubts.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/26/2020 7:53:12 AM)
Yesterday we had 19 states with over 1,000 Trumpvirus cases. Not sure that's ever happened in the past six months.

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