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I'm the biggest Reiff advocate on #VikingsTwitter and I hate to make him walk, but if you want to find a long-term LT, this is the draft to do it.

Insane amount of 1st/2nd round prospects this year.

Purple Post on Twitter

we have cheap young tackles...what we need is a couple of solid guards....

Reiff had a really good year last season. If he was willing to take another pay cut with incentives, I would re-sign him. Then I would look for guards who could start. Maybe free agency would be the best idea for that. I like the 3 tech draft, so perhaps we could trade back in the first, (hopefully picking up a late second rounder) select the best remaining 3 tech or edge rusher and do it again in the second with the position that was not addressed in the first.

Sorry. I'm rambling. I agree with you Ratoppenheimer.

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I traded down six times before making a pick and then drafted 17 players in that PFF mock tool thingy. What fun! I downloaded the image but can't figure out how to post it.

Wake me up when someone gets a better draft grade than mine.



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Wasn't it Marty that suggested we take nothing but WRs a few years ago?

Just goes to show you the PFF Draft Simulator doesn't deserve much merit. I was looking to the second and third page for a few of those guys after the first three rounds and they still rated them A+ picks. And it doesn't even list quarterback as a position of need for the Vikings.

IMHO. No demonstration needed. all you needed to say was PFF and I already knew it had no merit.

The draft tool is just a fun thing they threw together to give people some amusement and spam their name around. The draft grades have nothing to do with PFF grades for players during games.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I traded down six times before making a pick and then drafted 17 players in that PFF mock tool thingy. What fun! I downloaded the image but can't figure out how to post it.

Wake me up when someone gets a better draft grade than mine.



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Wasn't it Marty that suggested we take nothing but WRs a few years ago?

Just goes to show you the PFF Draft Simulator doesn't deserve much merit. I was looking to the second and third page for a few of those guys after the first three rounds and they still rated them A+ picks. And it doesn't even list quarterback as a position of need for the Vikings.

IMHO. No demonstration needed. all you needed to say was PFF and I already knew it had no merit.

The draft tool is just a fun thing they threw together to give people some amusement and spam their name around. The draft grades have nothing to do with PFF grades for players during games.

It is very fun for sure


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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I'm the biggest Reiff advocate on #VikingsTwitter and I hate to make him walk, but if you want to find a long-term LT, this is the draft to do it.

Insane amount of 1st/2nd round prospects this year.

Purple Post on Twitter

we have cheap young tackles...what we need is a couple of solid guards....

Reiff had a really good year last season. If he was willing to take another pay cut with incentives, I would re-sign him. Then I would look for guards who could start. Maybe free agency would be the best idea for that. I like the 3 tech draft, so perhaps we could trade back in the first, (hopefully picking up a late second rounder) select the best remaining 3 tech or edge rusher and do it again in the second with the position that was not addressed in the first.

Sorry. I'm rambling. I agree with you Ratoppenheimer.

I only bring back Reiff IF we are planning on going with Cleveland at LG or if we are not planning on moving Cleveland to LT. I will be very disappointed if Cleveland does not develop into a quality starter at either G or LT. Or maybe we are planning on switching Oneil to LT and starting Udoh at RT. Yes, the Udoh dream. One thing that cautions, is the continual musical chairs OL season after season. Maybe we are best off with Oneil, Cleveland, Bradbury, best new guy at RG, and Reiff. Still stuck with the same OL coach so will be same scheme.

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A lot of possibilities. I would not complain about the choice of Barmore. How could I if I say 3 tech is the team's greatest need and he seems to be identified as the draft's best 3 tech.

Overall, it does seem to be a good draft for selecting a lineman on either side of the line in rounds one and two. It's too bad we don't have a second rounder. Trader Rick likes to trade back a lot. Perhaps he will do that again.

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A lot of possibilities. I would not complain about the choice of Barmore. How could I if I say 3 tech is the team's greatest need and he seems to be identified as the draft's best 3 tech.

Overall, it does seem to be a good draft for selecting a lineman on either side of the line in rounds one and two. It's too bad we don't have a second rounder. Trader Rick likes to trade back a lot. Perhaps he will do that again.

It seems like Barmore gets rated all over the place ... draftnik Jeremiah has him as the second best DT and as the 41st ranked prospect. (He projects Onwuzurike as the best DT / 3T at #28)

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2021-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-2-0

It is such a weak year (at least at the top) for DTs ... we may decide to draft a DE with inside chops like your boy Rousseau LOL (to flip flop between DE and DT with Griffith when he inevitably signs).

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Whomever they pick, they better hit it out of the park. Without a second round pick, we are really handcuffed. No money for free agency. Only one pick in the first 75-80. One of the worst defenses in the league.

How do these guys keep their jobs?

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Whomever they pick, they better hit it out of the park. Without a second round pick, we are really handcuffed. No money for free agency. Only one pick in the first 75-80. One of the worst defenses in the league.

How do these guys keep their jobs?

I believe you would agree with this article, Brad.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/three-reasons-vikings-trade-down-first-round-2021-nfl-draft

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Whomever they pick, they better hit it out of the park. Without a second round pick, we are really handcuffed. No money for free agency. Only one pick in the first 75-80. One of the worst defenses in the league.

How do these guys keep their jobs?

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Whomever they pick, they better hit it out of the park. Without a second round pick, we are really handcuffed. No money for free agency. Only one pick in the first 75-80. One of the worst defenses in the league.

How do these guys keep their jobs?

Pierce back
Kendricks back hopefully healthy
Hunter back
Barr back

That has to be taken into consideration.

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Whomever they pick, they better hit it out of the park. Without a second round pick, we are really handcuffed. No money for free agency. Only one pick in the first 75-80. One of the worst defenses in the league.

How do these guys keep their jobs?

Pierce back
Kendricks back hopefully healthy
Hunter back
Barr back

That has to be taken into consideration.

With those guys returning the Vikings defense will be better next year. It's just a question of how much better. If all goes well with those four, it would make a HUGE difference and adding a quality 3T DT and S could be all the team needs to have a formidable defense. Not saying it will happen, but there's a legitimate possibility.

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Whomever they pick, they better hit it out of the park. Without a second round pick, we are really handcuffed. No money for free agency. Only one pick in the first 75-80. One of the worst defenses in the league.

How do these guys keep their jobs?

I believe you would agree with this article, Brad.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/three-reasons-vikings-trade-down-first-round-2021-nfl-draft

All depends on what you trade down for. Anything after the third round is nearly irrelevant. Trading down continuously is part of the reason we are in this mess. We need studs, not practice squad players and projects. I'd rather see us trade up to the second or third round. Let someone else have all of our fourth round picks. We need guys that can play immediately.

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Whomever they pick, they better hit it out of the park. Without a second round pick, we are really handcuffed. No money for free agency. Only one pick in the first 75-80. One of the worst defenses in the league.

How do these guys keep their jobs?

I believe you would agree with this article, Brad.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/three-reasons-vikings-trade-down-first-round-2021-nfl-draft

All depends on what you trade down for. Anything after the third round is nearly irrelevant. Trading down continuously is part of the reason we are in this mess. We need studs, not practice squad players and projects. I'd rather see us trade up to the second or third round. Let someone else have all of our fourth round picks. We need guys that can play immediately.

i'm with you - keep 14 or trade back just a little...then trade up with all the other picks...we need quality picks this draft....

the saints only have three picks in 2021 and they're way over the cap - an even value chart trade would be the ravens 3rd/bills&bears 4th/steelers 5th - for their 28th pick in the 2nd round....

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Whomever they pick, they better hit it out of the park. Without a second round pick, we are really handcuffed. No money for free agency. Only one pick in the first 75-80. One of the worst defenses in the league.

How do these guys keep their jobs?

I believe you would agree with this article, Brad.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/three-reasons-vikings-trade-down-first-round-2021-nfl-draft

All depends on what you trade down for. Anything after the third round is nearly irrelevant. Trading down continuously is part of the reason we are in this mess. We need studs, not practice squad players and projects. I'd rather see us trade up to the second or third round. Let someone else have all of our fourth round picks. We need guys that can play immediately.

i'm with you - keep 14 or trade back just a little...then trade up with all the other picks...we need quality picks this draft....

the saints only have three picks in 2021 and they're way over the cap - an even value chart trade would be the ravens 3rd/bills&bears 4th/steelers 5th - for their 28th pick in the 2nd round....

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Let's say you are Rick Spielman and you are determined to trade back with the first pick with the intention of acquiring a second round pick.

Which players remaining on the board at #14 would you cancel that plan? I imagine they would have to be on the top ten of your board.

I looked at Daneil Jeremiah's big board. I figure he's forgotten more than I ever knew and he's studied these players more than any of us. I'm going to say I would definitely take any of the players 5-10 on his list. Anyone else and I would take a fair offer to trade back. What do you think?


https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2021-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-2-0

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Let's say you are Rick Spielman and you are determined to trade back with the first pick with the intention of acquiring a second round pick.

Which players remaining on the board at #14 would you cancel that plan? I imagine they would have to be on the top ten of your board.

I looked at Daneil Jeremiah's big board. I figure he's forgotten more than I ever knew and he's studied these players more than any of us. I'm going to say I would definitely take any of the players 5-10 on his list. Anyone else and I would take a fair offer to trade back. What do you think?


https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2021-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-2-0

what I found interesting is where he has the top 3T's ranked

28. Levi Onwuzurike
41. Christian Barmore
45. Daviyon Nixon

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Let's say you are Rick Spielman and you are determined to trade back with the first pick with the intention of acquiring a second round pick.

Which players remaining on the board at #14 would you cancel that plan? I imagine they would have to be on the top ten of your board.

I looked at Daneil Jeremiah's big board. I figure he's forgotten more than I ever knew and he's studied these players more than any of us. I'm going to say I would definitely take any of the players 5-10 on his list. Anyone else and I would take a fair offer to trade back. What do you think?


https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2021-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-2-0

what I found interesting is where he has the top 3T's ranked

28. Levi Onwuzurike
41. Christian Barmore
45. Daviyon Nixon

maybe trade back...a couple of times....

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Let's say you are Rick Spielman and you are determined to trade back with the first pick with the intention of acquiring a second round pick.

Which players remaining on the board at #14 would you cancel that plan? I imagine they would have to be on the top ten of your board.

I looked at Daneil Jeremiah's big board. I figure he's forgotten more than I ever knew and he's studied these players more than any of us. I'm going to say I would definitely take any of the players 5-10 on his list. Anyone else and I would take a fair offer to trade back. What do you think?


https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2021-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-2-0

what I found interesting is where he has the top 3T's ranked

28. Levi Onwuzurike
41. Christian Barmore
45. Daviyon Nixon