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Daniel Lee Young -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (3/31/2021 6:09:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Jamin Davis LB Kentucky 4.37 sec. 40 42" vertical 11' broad Wow. Double wow. Squirrel!!! Shiny Squirrel!!! What shifty offensive line.... Mike Zimmer’s thought process... in a Squirrel!!! Nutshell.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 7:55:47 AM)
What if picks 1-13 include Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance Chase, Waddle, Smith Sewell Pitts Farley Parsons Slater, Tucker

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 7:57:57 AM)
Prospects with Pro Days today: • Rashod Bateman • Tevin Jenkins • Richie Grant • Aaron Robinson • Tylan Wallace • Jermar Jefferson • Benjamin St.-Juste • Chuba Hubbard • Hamilcar Rashed Jr. • Marlon Williams • Rodarius Williams • Shemar Jean-Charles • Tay Gowan Jordan Reid on Twitter

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 7:58:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen What if picks 1-13 include Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance Chase, Waddle, Smith Sewell Pitts Farley Parsons Slater, Tucker For me it would be Darrisaw. He's my guy.

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 8:07:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen What if picks 1-13 include Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance Chase, Waddle, Smith Sewell Pitts Farley Parsons Slater, Tucker For me it would be Darrisaw. He's my guy. +1

Guest -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 8:40:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen What if picks 1-13 include Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance Chase, Waddle, Smith Sewell Pitts Farley Parsons Slater, Tucker For me it would be Darrisaw. He's my guy. +1 Sorry to burst your bubble guys but if you watched Zimmers presser yesterday, and knowing his history, he/ they will draft an edge rusher, or LBer at #14 (if they don’t trade down) Hell Zim acted like they’re all squared away, and will simply have competition amongst the guys they have. He even said they’ve done enough in Free agency to draft completely BPA. Hahahahaha- OK..[&o] Could be a smoke screen I guess.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 8:45:20 AM)
To allow your best o-lineman on a bad offensive line go in free agency and not acquire a starter in free agency, then to not address it early in the draft- well, that would be malpractice.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 8:54:29 AM)
Jordan Reid's big board. He has Slater rated above Darrisaw. Both would be good to draft. https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-draft-big-board-reid-top-50-march

Todd M -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 10:09:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson To allow your best o-lineman on a bad offensive line go in free agency and not acquire a starter in free agency, then to not address it early in the draft- well, that would be malpractice. Our 1st pick has to go to OL. And I really don't want to hear Spielman say they had x amount of players the same so we dropped down.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 10:38:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson To allow your best o-lineman on a bad offensive line go in free agency and not acquire a starter in free agency, then to not address it early in the draft- well, that would be malpractice. Our 1st pick has to go to OL. And I really don't want to hear Spielman say they had x amount of players the same so we dropped down. Why not? If he has say three players all equally rated (assuming all are OL but that is based on how desperate the need is) why not trade down, in this case, two places.

Brad H -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 11:57:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson To allow your best o-lineman on a bad offensive line go in free agency and not acquire a starter in free agency, then to not address it early in the draft- well, that would be malpractice. Our 1st pick has to go to OL. And I really don't want to hear Spielman say they had x amount of players the same so we dropped down. Why not? If he has say three players all equally rated (assuming all are OL but that is based on how desperate the need is) why not trade down, in this case, two places. Nobody is equal. They have to have a pecking order at this point.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 12:28:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson To allow your best o-lineman on a bad offensive line go in free agency and not acquire a starter in free agency, then to not address it early in the draft- well, that would be malpractice. Our 1st pick has to go to OL. And I really don't want to hear Spielman say they had x amount of players the same so we dropped down. Why not? If he has say three players all equally rated (assuming all are OL but that is based on how desperate the need is) why not trade down, in this case, two places. Nobody is equal. They have to have a pecking order at this point. Not the way RS groups them for trade down purposes.

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 12:30:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson To allow your best o-lineman on a bad offensive line go in free agency and not acquire a starter in free agency, then to not address it early in the draft- well, that would be malpractice. Our 1st pick has to go to OL. And I really don't want to hear Spielman say they had x amount of players the same so we dropped down. Only one I would not complain about is Parsons. Guy could have a 1998 Moss like effect on defense. Turning a good defense into a great defense. Kahlil Mack like.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 12:48:33 PM)
If RS didn't piss away the 2nd round pick, we would have had a chance to take a talent like Parsons and - with some deals - address the OL with two second rounders. That also assumes he would have signed at least a mid-tier FA G, which is crazy talk. As it stands, we could pick a Parsons but a possible lone 2nd rounder - with the same deals as above - is all he has to address his failures. I wouldn't complain if Parsons is all that, but would be pretty antsy on what they would do to fix the OL. Maybe a player for player trade. Edit: Actually, if Parsons is a generational talent then by all means take him over Aloe-Vera. To do otherwise is short-sided. Then move up to get a Wyatt Davis type in the 2nd. And draft more a G, trade, whatever.

Murph -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 1:30:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson To allow your best o-lineman on a bad offensive line go in free agency and not acquire a starter in free agency, then to not address it early in the draft- well, that would be malpractice. Our 1st pick has to go to OL. And I really don't want to hear Spielman say they had x amount of players the same so we dropped down. Only one I would not complain about is Parsons. Guy could have a 1998 Moss like effect on defense. Turning a good defense into a great defense. Kahlil Mack like. I agree; first pick has to be offense with the exception of Parsons.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 3:46:34 PM)
I was going to the draft trade chart and calculating what the difference was between the value of the pick we lost for Yannick Ngakoue and the value we got for trading him. The net was an end of the second round pick. Our pick was an upper half of the second round and the pick we got was an end of the third round selection. The value of the second rounder was almost three times as much as what we got back. That probably puts it into better perspective and also gives perspective on how expensive it will be to get back into the second round. If we do, it will certainly have to be later in the second round. Even that will cost our third (a higher third) and the Ravens third. The more I think about it, the more painful is the reality. The Vikings probably understand the math better than we do and must be very much inclined to drop down from their first round pick. That would be the much less painful way to retrieve a second rounder. Well, I don't know about that. Checking the trade chart, we would have to trade back to pick 21 just to get a later second rounder in return. Ouch. That is the reality. These draft picks are very much coveted.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 4:07:09 PM)
Bateman looks really good here in his pro day workout: https://twitter.com/TNTACADEMY1/status/1377697183135367169?s=20

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 4:10:05 PM)
Teven Jenkins is a OT prospect in the 2021 draft class. He scored a 9.73 RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 31 out of 1129 OT from 1987 to 2021. (Kent Lee Platte on Twitter) I don't know where he goes, but he looks like an option if we trade back or re-coop a second selection. He might go in the latter part of the first round. Not sure. I'm not a great Teven Jenkins mind.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 4:33:17 PM)
Last 10 years Current Vikings-drafted best players on roster Pick 22, Justin Jefferson Pick 29, Harrison Smith Pick 41, Dalvin Cook Pick 45, Eric Kendricks Pick 62, Bryan O'Neill Pick 88, Danielle Hunter Undrafted, Adam Theilen Not a single one of our top players above was drafted before pick 22. Notable Vikings first rounders Pick 4, Matt Kalil Pick 9, Anthony Barr Pick 11, Trae Waynes (better: Xavier Rhodes pick 25) Pick 12, Christian Ponder (better: Teddy Bridgewater pick 32) Pick 18, Garrett Bradbury Pick 23, Laquon Treadwell There are your vaunted and precious higher picks, largely a pile of crap. One could argue Barr, but in a redraft he isn't worth the #9 overall. Other Pick 23, Sharif Floyd (botched surgery) Pick 30, Mike Hughes (neck, other, TBD) Our late first-early second picks are FAR better than the picks in the pre-20s. People focus on the pick number, panic, reach for need, and ignore options. Seven spots in draft position doesn't mean jack as proven here, but it can largely allow you to double your chances.

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/1/2021 5:04:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen If RS didn't piss away the 2nd round pick, we would have had a chance to take a talent like Parsons and - with some deals - address the OL with two second rounders. That also assumes he would have signed at least a mid-tier FA G, which is crazy talk. As it stands, we could pick a Parsons but a possible lone 2nd rounder - with the same deals as above - is all he has to address his failures. I wouldn't complain if Parsons is all that, but would be pretty antsy on what they would do to fix the OL. Maybe a player for player trade. Edit: Actually, if Parsons is a generational talent then by all means take him over Aloe-Vera. To do otherwise is short-sided. Then move up to get a Wyatt Davis type in the 2nd. And draft more a G, trade, whatever. Yeah. That would be prime territory for some of these 2nd tier Tackles and Guards.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/3/2021 6:00:21 AM)
Getting close to the draft now. I like Spencer Thompson and here he is with a ranking of interior defensive line players and approximately where they will go. https://www.patreon.com/posts/vfr-scouting-49563191?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=postshare

ratoppenheimer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/3/2021 10:29:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson I was going to the draft trade chart and calculating what the difference was between the value of the pick we lost for Yannick Ngakoue and the value we got for trading him. The net was an end of the second round pick. Our pick was an upper half of the second round and the pick we got was an end of the third round selection. The value of the second rounder was almost three times as much as what we got back. That probably puts it into better perspective and also gives perspective on how expensive it will be to get back into the second round. If we do, it will certainly have to be later in the second round. Even that will cost our third (a higher third) and the Ravens third. The more I think about it, the more painful is the reality. The Vikings probably understand the math better than we do and must be very much inclined to drop down from their first round pick. That would be the much less painful way to retrieve a second rounder. Well, I don't know about that. Checking the trade chart, we would have to trade back to pick 21 just to get a later second rounder in return. Ouch. That is the reality. These draft picks are very much coveted. We throw in a 3rd/4th for an early pick...best case scenario a qb falls....

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/3/2021 11:09:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson I was going to the draft trade chart and calculating what the difference was between the value of the pick we lost for Yannick Ngakoue and the value we got for trading him. The net was an end of the second round pick. Our pick was an upper half of the second round and the pick we got was an end of the third round selection. The value of the second rounder was almost three times as much as what we got back. That probably puts it into better perspective and also gives perspective on how expensive it will be to get back into the second round. If we do, it will certainly have to be later in the second round. Even that will cost our third (a higher third) and the Ravens third. The more I think about it, the more painful is the reality. The Vikings probably understand the math better than we do and must be very much inclined to drop down from their first round pick. That would be the much less painful way to retrieve a second rounder. Well, I don't know about that. Checking the trade chart, we would have to trade back to pick 21 just to get a later second rounder in return. Ouch. That is the reality. These draft picks are very much coveted. We throw in a 3rd/4th for an early pick...best case scenario a qb falls.... A third round pick is worth slightly less than half of the comparable second round pick. It's kind of like a logarithmic value scale, if that makes any sense. It's not linear. Perhaps a more reasonable way (and less painful) would be to work on both ends. What I mean is to trade back a little bit from #14 and to trade up from pick (is it #79?) So here's an example of that. Let's say they start out the draft and trade back three spots in the first. That would yield a fifth rounder, but lets say the team trading up overpays a bit because the options will be worth it. So lets say they offer a back of the fourth rounder. Shoot. That's the reality. So next we trade both of our third round picks plus the back end of the fourth rounder and we can get somewhere about two thirds of the way into the second round. Say pick #52. The result would be pick 17, 52 and then that would be it until day three when we would have a number of selections in rounds four and five. Maybe one in six, but that's it as it stands now. Sometimes around pick #52 you can get a player who was hopeful of getting selected in the back end of round one, but slipped all the way to 52. That does happen. If you're lucky you can get a player like O'Brien or Ezra Cleveland. Cleveland is really a good example. I'm thinking there were teams considering to take him in the first round, but he somehow dropped to us in the second. Neither Cleveland or O'Neil started for game one of their rookie seasons, but started later and played relatively well. Sorry for my rambling. I'm sort of thinking out loud here. I don't know what you all think of this thinking.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/3/2021 11:37:24 AM)
The trade down-trade up scenario. We know how it works. People here have advocated it every draft for years, including this year. Some are laser focused on Aloe Vera or a tackle at #14 so for them it's not an option. In 2019 we could have done a simple trade down and picked future Pro-Bowler Jenkins but we took semi-bust Bradbury at 17... another example of panic for need which means you lost draft assets and are also stuck with the player's ever increasing rookie salary. And of course the #17 pick is granted 3-4 years worth of chances so that the GM can save face.

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/3/2021 11:57:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen The trade down-trade up scenario. We know how it works. People here have advocated it every draft for years, including this year. Some are laser focused on Aloe Vera or a tackle at #14 so for them it's not an option. In 2019 we could have done a simple trade down and picked future Pro-Bowler Jenkins but we took semi-bust Bradbury at 17... another example of panic for need which means you lost draft assets and are also stuck with the player's ever increasing rookie salary. And of course the #17 pick is granted 3-4 years worth of chances so that the GM can save face. Hindsight is pretty easy. Denver and Oakland probably wish they would have traded down and taken Jefferson instead of Jeudy and Ruggs. I'm for a trade down. Paul Charchian bragging up Teven Jenkins(RT/RG). Move down a few spots, get an extra pick and then figure out how to get a solid LG after that.

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