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Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 10:42:53 AM)
Pete Schrager does not base his mock draft after watching film and suggesting who the teams should draft. He doesn't watch film. He bases his mock based on talking to his contacts and gather their interest on particular players. From what I have heard, he has a good track record for accuracy. Who does he select on behalf of the Vikings? Kwitty Paye. Hmmm. https://www.nfl.com/news/peter-schrager-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-pats-trade-up-for-justin-fields-cardinals The thing that stands out to me is that he doesn't see Vera-Tucker going in the first round. Wow. That would be shocking.

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 11:01:57 AM)
Edge rushers do tend to fly off the board early. I see Vera Tucker going in the the 20's. So trading down and getting him around 21 or so could yield trading partners 2nd rd pick. From left to right O'Neal Tucker Bradbury Udoh Cleveland

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 11:10:39 AM)
I found this quote about Paye: Paye is a caliber of athlete that I’m not sure the NFL has ever seen. His sub-6.5 three-cone at over 260 pounds is nothing short of unprecedented for a man that size. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-edge-defender-rankings

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 11:14:36 AM)
Paul Allen mentioned this name as a player who would be an outstanding choice in the third round. (Rashad Weaver out of Pitt) Weaver is arguably the best run-defending edge in the draft. He has the ideal combination of size and length that makes blocking him a chore. He controls every interaction he’s a part of with his consistent hand placement and technique

Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 11:16:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Edge rushers do tend to fly off the board early. I see Vera Tucker going in the the 20's. So trading down and getting him around 21 or so could yield trading partners 2nd rd pick. From left to right O'Neal Tucker Bradbury Udoh Cleveland Why ONeal at LT and Ezra at RT?

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 11:37:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Edge rushers do tend to fly off the board early. I see Vera Tucker going in the the 20's. So trading down and getting him around 21 or so could yield trading partners 2nd rd pick. From left to right O'Neal Tucker Bradbury Udoh Cleveland Why ONeal at LT and Ezra at RT? Basing it off of what the team did when Rieff was sent home to digest his pay cut a couple weeks before week one last season. O'Neal was seen running with the first team at LT. Moving Cleveland to RG in practices around this time might suggest they're getting him use to playing on the right side so he can bump out to RT.

Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 12:27:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Edge rushers do tend to fly off the board early. I see Vera Tucker going in the the 20's. So trading down and getting him around 21 or so could yield trading partners 2nd rd pick. From left to right O'Neal Tucker Bradbury Udoh Cleveland Why ONeal at LT and Ezra at RT? Basing it off of what the team did when Rieff was sent home to digest his pay cut a couple weeks before week one last season. O'Neal was seen running with the first team at LT. Moving Cleveland to RG in practices around this time might suggest they're getting him use to playing on the right side so he can bump out to RT. Fair enough - it seems backward to me, but it is the Vikings. In training camp, Ezra was listed as the third string LG and if I remember right practiced the most at LG befure Elf went down and Samia was a disaster. ONeil has done well at RT, and I would move Ezra back to his natural position. Kind of like the question of moving Hunter to RDE. We'll see what the draft brings!

Pauldiercks1 -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 12:50:26 PM)
If they move ONeal to LT I see that as a mistake and they have not learned a darn thing over the past 7 years. Leave him where he excels and draft or trade for a LT that excels. Draft a guard in the third round and lets get this mess fixed.

David F. -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 1:23:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1 If they move ONeal to LT I see that as a mistake and they have not learned a darn thing over the past 7 years. Leave him where he excels and draft or trade for a LT that excels. Draft a guard in the third round and lets get this mess fixed. And what if Ezra does a decent job at LT? What if he excels at it? Then we only need to fix the interior. Your plan makes perfect sense. Unfortunately you will likely meet the argument that you are not an NFL executive so what the heck could you possibly know. In the meantime our so-called experts will continue to fumblef@ck their way through another season of terrible line play coupled with finding out the third-stringer plays better than the anointed starter and the backup - only after injuries of course.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 1:35:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1 If they move ONeal to LT I see that as a mistake and they have not learned a darn thing over the past 7 years. Leave him where he excels and draft or trade for a LT that excels. Draft a guard in the third round and lets get this mess fixed. So by drafting or trading for a LT that excels, are you advocating not giving Cleveland a shot to play the position he played at in college? Would he then be a 2nd round backup? Or you could be implying he stay at RG, which IMO is a disaster waiting to continue.

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 2:07:49 PM)
Keep in mind O'Neal was a LT in college as well. But nonetheless as Pager pointed out this is the Vikings so there's really no telling what they'll do. About the only thing we can count on is that it will make no rhyme or reason and more than likely blow up in their face.

bohumm -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 2:21:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Edge rushers do tend to fly off the board early. I see Vera Tucker going in the the 20's. So trading down and getting him around 21 or so could yield trading partners 2nd rd pick. From left to right O'Neal Tucker Bradbury Udoh Cleveland Or nothing if someone swipes him earlier. If you want him, take him. We have holes.

bohumm -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 2:39:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Keep in mind O'Neal was a LT in college as well. But nonetheless as Pager pointed out this is the Vikings so there's really no telling what they'll do. About the only thing we can count on is that it will make no rhyme or reason and more than likely blow up in their face. Not only that, but he may be agitating for the chance to play HIS college position because LTs get paid more, which seems as fair as anything else.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 3:18:39 PM)
O'Neill was also a right tackle. But enough jacking these players positions around. No wonder the OL is crap. Clamor for the punter to move to LT for all I care, just be sure to state you have also written Cleveland off after only a year. Unless you believe Spielman's BS which is translated to "I don't have a clue, plus I'm a liar": "It all depends on what happens over these next couple months on who’s here and who’s not here," Spielman said. "Then it’s the coaches figuring out what’s our best five and where are you going to line them all up at? We’re very excited about some of these young offensive linemen and usually these offensive linemen continue to grow and get better every year. So I think with a Bradbury and with O’Neill and now Ezra, I think we’re very excited about having a young core up there that’ll continue to grow and get better. But I think the coaches will determine what’s the best lineup, and we have had a lot of discussion about that already."

Pauldiercks1 -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 3:21:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1 If they move ONeal to LT I see that as a mistake and they have not learned a darn thing over the past 7 years. Leave him where he excels and draft or trade for a LT that excels. Draft a guard in the third round and lets get this mess fixed. So by drafting or trading for a LT that excels, are you advocating not giving Cleveland a shot to play the position he played at in college? Would he then be a 2nd round backup? Or you could be implying he stay at RG, which IMO is a disaster waiting to continue. Why are so many worked up about giving Cleveland a shot at LT? So he played there in college- so did a lot of NFL guards. I don't really care all that much honestly. I don't see him as a star either place. We don't know that he wouldn't be a disaster at LT? I don't want to go into the season planning to give a guy a tryout at LT and see where it goes. As far as I'm concerned we fill in a good LT and a guard and Cleveland can fight his ass off for a starting spot. I don't know why we feel we owe him more than that. If he's a good backup LT I can live with that. If he earns a starting spot I can live with that also.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 3:27:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1 quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1 If they move ONeal to LT I see that as a mistake and they have not learned a darn thing over the past 7 years. Leave him where he excels and draft or trade for a LT that excels. Draft a guard in the third round and lets get this mess fixed. So by drafting or trading for a LT that excels, are you advocating not giving Cleveland a shot to play the position he played at in college? Would he then be a 2nd round backup? Or you could be implying he stay at RG, which IMO is a disaster waiting to continue. Why are so many worked up about giving Cleveland a shot at LT? So he played there in college- so did a lot of NFL guards. I don't really care all that much honestly. I don't see him as a star either place. We don't know that he wouldn't be a disaster at LT? I don't want to go into the season planning to give a guy a tryout at LT and see where it goes. As far as I'm concerned we fill in a good LT and a guard and Cleveland can fight his ass off for a starting spot. I don't know why we feel we owe him more than that. If he's a good backup LT I can live with that. If he earns a starting spot I can live with that also. Because he sucked at pass-blocking at G. He's not built for it. At least try him at LT, to do otherwise is a waste of a valuable second-round pick. We don't have 'luxury' picks.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 4:30:16 PM)
This is good stuff for us. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-biggest-pro-and-con-for-pffs-top-offensive-line-prospects

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 5:02:04 PM)
My sense is that Vera-Tucker is fading as we approach the draft. Of course I don't really know anything, but I figure that since he is seen more as a guard and his athletic numbers were a bit pedestrian, he may not be on the Vikings short list for a pick at #14. It's possible Darrisaw and Slater go before us and then the Vikings select Paye. I'm just wondering if Darrisaw and Slater are gone, then a really good player will fall to us. I wonder who that will be. If it's a quarterback, then perhaps the Vikings will trade back. Just speculating and thinking out loud. Better than quarreling though, right?

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 5:12:38 PM)
Barmore seems to be dropping too. Here is is rated as an "end of the second round" player. https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-draft-idl-rankings-marino I'd like to get some of that. I mean, if he goes in the back end of the second round, the young man may have something to prove.

joejitsu -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 6:52:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson My sense is that Vera-Tucker is fading as we approach the draft. Of course I don't really know anything, but I figure that since he is seen more as a guard and his athletic numbers were a bit pedestrian, he may not be on the Vikings short list for a pick at #14. It's possible Darrisaw and Slater go before us and then the Vikings select Paye. I'm just wondering if Darrisaw and Slater are gone, then a really good player will fall to us. I wonder who that will be. If it's a quarterback, then perhaps the Vikings will trade back. Just speculating and thinking out loud. Better than quarreling though, right? I still like Vera Tucker. He's a plug and play lg, and he can play lt if needed. If we can trade down a couple of spots and get him, that's all the better.

Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 7:17:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Barmore seems to be dropping too. Here is is rated as an "end of the second round" player. https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-draft-idl-rankings-marino I'd like to get some of that. I mean, if he goes in the back end of the second round, the young man may have something to prove. quote: Barmore I'd have no problem with selecting a DT if there is amazing value. Otherwise I'm not feeling it. We still have (if I remember right) hercules, Watts and Lynch as development guys, as well as Weatherly and Holmes that can play inside in a pinch. I see IOL, DE, S, 3rd WR (in that order) as higher priorities.

Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/8/2021 7:25:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1 quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1 If they move ONeal to LT I see that as a mistake and they have not learned a darn thing over the past 7 years. Leave him where he excels and draft or trade for a LT that excels. Draft a guard in the third round and lets get this mess fixed. So by drafting or trading for a LT that excels, are you advocating not giving Cleveland a shot to play the position he played at in college? Would he then be a 2nd round backup? Or you could be implying he stay at RG, which IMO is a disaster waiting to continue. Why are so many worked up about giving Cleveland a shot at LT? So he played there in college- so did a lot of NFL guards. I don't really care all that much honestly. I don't see him as a star either place. We don't know that he wouldn't be a disaster at LT? I don't want to go into the season planning to give a guy a tryout at LT and see where it goes. As far as I'm concerned we fill in a good LT and a guard and Cleveland can fight his ass off for a starting spot. I don't know why we feel we owe him more than that. If he's a good backup LT I can live with that. If he earns a starting spot I can live with that also. Because he sucked at pass-blocking at G. He's not built for it. At least try him at LT, to do otherwise is a waste of a valuable second-round pick. We don't have 'luxury' picks. Why wouldn't we give him a shot at LT??? There's no guarantee that a drafted LT (in any round) would be better. He was projected by quite a few to go in the first round, has an amazing RAS score and profile for LT, and had great production in college at LT. If you have ridiculous amounts of time, like I do, go read the draft thread last year [&:] We have Hill as a backup LT, and he played there better than RT. And Hill was our starter at RT until Oneil wally pipped him. I think he'll be an above average LT, wish we would have thrown him in there last year and saved the salary. I was actually impressed with Ezra's performance at RG. Improved each start, and with a good offseason could improve his pass blocking (his run blocking is already pretty good) to average, which would be miles above what we've had.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/9/2021 3:54:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson My sense is that Vera-Tucker is fading as we approach the draft. Of course I don't really know anything, but I figure that since he is seen more as a guard and his athletic numbers were a bit pedestrian, he may not be on the Vikings short list for a pick at #14. It's possible Darrisaw and Slater go before us and then the Vikings select Paye. I'm just wondering if Darrisaw and Slater are gone, then a really good player will fall to us. I wonder who that will be. If it's a quarterback, then perhaps the Vikings will trade back. Just speculating and thinking out loud. Better than quarreling though, right? i saw vera-tucker mock deep in the 2nd round a month back - i see that as good for us...it reinforces the trade back philosophy - don't fall for the media mock bullshit...he's the same player we loved before, if we can gain a 2nd and grab him the more power to us.... i still say micah parsons or trade back, and then use our many 3rds and 4ths to trade up and draft some solid dropping talent...i would shoot for three picks in the first two rounds and two picks in the 3rd...trade with a seattle or if a qb falls and a team is willing to overpay....

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/9/2021 7:31:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson My sense is that Vera-Tucker is fading as we approach the draft. Of course I don't really know anything, but I figure that since he is seen more as a guard and his athletic numbers were a bit pedestrian, he may not be on the Vikings short list for a pick at #14. It's possible Darrisaw and Slater go before us and then the Vikings select Paye. I'm just wondering if Darrisaw and Slater are gone, then a really good player will fall to us. I wonder who that will be. If it's a quarterback, then perhaps the Vikings will trade back. Just speculating and thinking out loud. Better than quarreling though, right? i saw vera-tucker mock deep in the 2nd round a month back - i see that as good for us...it reinforces the trade back philosophy - don't fall for the media mock bullshit...he's the same player we loved before, if we can gain a 2nd and grab him the more power to us.... i still say micah parsons or trade back, and then use our many 3rds and 4ths to trade up and draft some solid dropping talent...i would shoot for three picks in the first two rounds and two picks in the 3rd...trade with a seattle or if a qb falls and a team is willing to overpay.... So if we trade back...is there a backup QBOTF that we can draft in the 2nd round if we draft OLINE in the first?

Murph -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/9/2021 9:50:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson My sense is that Vera-Tucker is fading as we approach the draft. Of course I don't really know anything, but I figure that since he is seen more as a guard and his athletic numbers were a bit pedestrian, he may not be on the Vikings short list for a pick at #14. It's possible Darrisaw and Slater go before us and then the Vikings select Paye. I'm just wondering if Darrisaw and Slater are gone, then a really good player will fall to us. I wonder who that will be. If it's a quarterback, then perhaps the Vikings will trade back. Just speculating and thinking out loud. Better than quarreling though, right? i saw vera-tucker mock deep in the 2nd round a month back - i see that as good for us...it reinforces the trade back philosophy - don't fall for the media mock bullshit...he's the same player we loved before, if we can gain a 2nd and grab him the more power to us.... i still say micah parsons or trade back, and then use our many 3rds and 4ths to trade up and draft some solid dropping talent...i would shoot for three picks in the first two rounds and two picks in the 3rd...trade with a seattle or if a qb falls and a team is willing to overpay.... So if we trade back...is there a backup QBOTF that we can draft in the 2nd round if we draft OLINE in the first? I'd prefer to move up in the first for Fields or Lance but if we could grab Mond in the 2nd or early 3rd; I'd be pretty happy Kellen Mond Scouting Report Positives: Athletic quarterback with a next-level arm who flashes brilliance. Patient in the pocket and buys as much time as necessary. Senses the rush and steps up to avoid defenders. Athletic, easily eludes defenders, and picks up yardage with his legs when necessary. Possesses a quick release and a live arm, gets speed on throws, and easily drives downfield passes. Fires the ball through tight windows, leads receivers with passes, and throws targets open. Loses no ball speed throwing on the move. Displays a sense of timing and does not have receivers waiting for the ball to arrive. Knows where his targets are on the field and quickly locates the open wideout. Spreads the ball around and uses all his receivers. Sets up screen throws, puts touch on passes, and delivers a catchable ball. Effectively commands the offense. Featured \| 2021 NFL Mock Draft: Tony Pauline sees quarterbacks in high demand Negatives: Very slow moving his head away from the primary target and gives away passes at times. Must do a better job selling ball fakes. Can be erratic with his pass placement. Analysis: Mond is an athletic quarterback who displayed a lot of progress in his game last season. He possesses a terrific amount of upside and has starting potential at the next level if he gets hooked up with the proper coach and continues developing his game.

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