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kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 2:36:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Draft a damn guard and play him at guard until he becomes an elite durable anchor in the line, or he Dora the explora’s his khali like ass right down the road.. Or Trade 14+ other picks to get a lower #1, and, a pick in round 2? If I ran this team, my draft would look OL OL QBOTF OL DL K BPA UDFA... UDFA UDFA UDFA Any picks in round seven below your first #7, is trade throw in chum or <= to UDFA Why Spielman covets quantity of late round pick over quality and character of upper round players is only explained by how SHITTY he is at picking top tier talent in rounds 1-3. I have said this about draft strategy for at least a decade Draft good Ol early and often, every year... Defense is nice, I can name 50 past and present Defensive Players that are Legen....Dary...off the top of my head, anytime, and over a beer... I could do the same on offense, mostly because I have 53 years of fanatical fan knowledge to fall into... 2009 for Favrey, we had as starters: Loadholt Herrera Sullivan Hutchison McKinney + Shiancoe + Kleinsasser 12 years since that level of OL talent for run/ pass blocking. Fire Spielman. [:D] +1 Except the fire Spielman part. I was so far ahead of everybody else on drafting O Line early and often. Contrary to Brad's thinking football starts in the trenches with the OL.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 2:43:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Bateman will most likely be there with one of our 3rd rounders (not sure he'll slide to 90 but it's possible). Guy should have a good/solid NFL career. Why is Bateman likely to be there in the third? What changed? I heard nothing but 1st round for him previously.

thebigo -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 2:45:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Bateman will most likely be there with one of our 3rd rounders (not sure he'll slide to 90 but it's possible). Guy should have a good/solid NFL career. Why is Bateman likely to be there in the third? What changed? I heard nothing but 1st round for him previously. You're thinking of Batman.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 2:45:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Random draft quote from an experienced top evaluator: “This draft is unprecedented in its sheer number of really good slot WRs.” Last year’s WR class was deep, but more outside guys. This year, it’s top inside guys. Ian Rapoport on Twitter Cade Johnson (South Dakota State) might be a 5th or 6th round guy we could get. Cade looks like a mini Diggs to me... quickness on highlights is amazing. Would love that pick. You guys are spending a lot of time worrying about a fifth option in the passing game. With two wide receivers, a running back and tight end, the #3 wide receiver should be nothing more than a safety valve. It's been my experience that our quarterback rarely gets two-deep into his progression before he locks in on a guy. I must have missed our massive TE/RB pass reception production last year. And who exactly is catching balls behind Thielen/JJ when one of them gets dinged up? You keep telling everyone it's a passing league... that means you need a productive slot receiver and some WR depth. A good offense will get 105 catches from it's No. 1 wide receiver, 90 from it's No. 2, 80 from it's tight end and 65-70 from it's top running back. Kirk Cousins has never completed more than 425 passes in any single season, and when the Vikings went 10-5 under Cousins in 2019 he completed 307 in 15 games. Finding a collection of other guys to make 40 catches during the course of a season shouldn't be a tall task. There's a 1,000 guys out there that could fill a No. 3 role. The key here will be getting our tight end more involved so we can make everyone else more valuable. It's something we haven't been very good at. Kansas City is a good offense. Their 2nd WR had 45 catches. We need another guy if JJ or Thielen go down. Kansas City's No. 1 option is their tight end, who had 105 catches last season. Their No. 2 option was Hill, who had 87. The two running backs that started had 49. Hardman and Watkins (2-3 WR's) combined for 78 catches. The tight end and wide receivers are interchangeable parts in a good offense. So you are saying that they needed 3 quality WRs. Define quality. I would define Hardman and Watkins as guys. They have their moments, but have been anything but consistent during their careers. Kelce is great. Hill is great. Their running backs are good. Beebe and Bisi are not on Hardman and Watkins level. We need an upgrade. I'm not saying spend a 1st Rounder on it but a 4th rounder would be nice. Exactly, after JJ&Theilen we have very little. If we had Kelce as our TE I'd agree 3rd WR isn't as big of need. Yes, Irv should produce more... but he may or my not. You don't have to spend high draft capital... but Tom Brady won a lot of superbowls with clutch guys like Welker/Edelman moving the chains on third down. You can find those guys on day 3. Vikes could really use a guy like that. Ah yes, the invocation of Tom Brady and winning lots of Super Bowls. Technically true though in that Tom Brady won those Super Bowls.

Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 3:46:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I was listening to a couple podcasts today. Mixed reviews on Darrisaw. -All the talent in the world but a very mundane temperament. -Plays down to his competition and seems disinterested most of the time. -Yet threw Joseph Ossai around like a rag doll. Jaycee Horn -Will rip a wr's face off -NFL comparison is Jalen Ramsey Philips or Parsons. Get Orlando Brown Get a couple Guards in 4th round Udoh definitely in mix Philips is the best pass rusher in this class. But a concussion or two away from retirement. Hopefully balt softens up their asking price after no takers after day one of the draft. Ben Cleveland at 242lbs could clear some running lanes. Washington got a 3rd and a 5th for Trent Williams. Brown shouldn't be worth any more than that. Ben Cleveland at 242. What is this? The 70's. [8\|] Miami got two firsts for Tunsil. Not saying Brown is worth it. I personally don't want us to trade for Brown, hope it doesn't happen.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 4:03:14 PM)
Here is what I would love the Vikings to do during the Draft. Pick at 14 and take the best guy that falls to us, UNLESS somebody makes us an offer we can't refuse. Use trades to move up as much as possible and end up with just three picks in the first two rounds Pick BPA and then Oline and QB to sit and be groomed to replace Captain Kirk.

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 4:07:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Random draft quote from an experienced top evaluator: “This draft is unprecedented in its sheer number of really good slot WRs.” Last year’s WR class was deep, but more outside guys. This year, it’s top inside guys. Ian Rapoport on Twitter Cade Johnson (South Dakota State) might be a 5th or 6th round guy we could get. Cade looks like a mini Diggs to me... quickness on highlights is amazing. Would love that pick. You guys are spending a lot of time worrying about a fifth option in the passing game. With two wide receivers, a running back and tight end, the #3 wide receiver should be nothing more than a safety valve. It's been my experience that our quarterback rarely gets two-deep into his progression before he locks in on a guy. I must have missed our massive TE/RB pass reception production last year. And who exactly is catching balls behind Thielen/JJ when one of them gets dinged up? You keep telling everyone it's a passing league... that means you need a productive slot receiver and some WR depth. A good offense will get 105 catches from it's No. 1 wide receiver, 90 from it's No. 2, 80 from it's tight end and 65-70 from it's top running back. Kirk Cousins has never completed more than 425 passes in any single season, and when the Vikings went 10-5 under Cousins in 2019 he completed 307 in 15 games. Finding a collection of other guys to make 40 catches during the course of a season shouldn't be a tall task. There's a 1,000 guys out there that could fill a No. 3 role. The key here will be getting our tight end more involved so we can make everyone else more valuable. It's something we haven't been very good at. Kansas City is a good offense. Their 2nd WR had 45 catches. We need another guy if JJ or Thielen go down. Kansas City's No. 1 option is their tight end, who had 105 catches last season. Their No. 2 option was Hill, who had 87. The two running backs that started had 49. Hardman and Watkins (2-3 WR's) combined for 78 catches. The tight end and wide receivers are interchangeable parts in a good offense. So you are saying that they needed 3 quality WRs. Define quality. I would define Hardman and Watkins as guys. They have their moments, but have been anything but consistent during their careers. Kelce is great. Hill is great. Their running backs are good. Beebe and Bisi are not on Hardman and Watkins level. We need an upgrade. I'm not saying spend a 1st Rounder on it but a 4th rounder would be nice. Exactly, after JJ&Theilen we have very little. If we had Kelce as our TE I'd agree 3rd WR isn't as big of need. Yes, Irv should produce more... but he may or my not. You don't have to spend high draft capital... but Tom Brady won a lot of superbowls with clutch guys like Welker/Edelman moving the chains on third down. You can find those guys on day 3. Vikes could really use a guy like that. I think the Vikings have said that Irv Smith is going to be a weapon this season. He was open on every play late in the season against New Orleans. I think the offense is going to cater to him this fall. Hope so! +2

joejitsu -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 4:10:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott Here is what I would love the Vikings to do during the Draft. Pick at 14 and take the best guy that falls to us, UNLESS somebody makes us an offer we can't refuse. Use trades to move up as much as possible and end up with just three picks in the first two rounds Pick BPA and then Oline and QB to sit and be groomed to replace Captain Kirk. I kind of like the idea of getting 3-4 quality prospects, and your idea seems to do that. BUT, I don't think I trust Spiels to pick good oline players. It just isn't in his makeup.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 4:31:48 PM)
Phillips had 8 sacks and 15.5 TFLs in 10 games in 2020 (and none in 2019, since he didn't play). Compare to these 2 year totals, 2019-20: Paye: 8.5 sacks, 16.5 TFLs (16 games) Oweh: 5 sacks, 11.5 TFLs (18 games) Phillips turns 22 in May. Paye and Oweh turn 23 later this year. (Krauser on Twitter) Phillips has the stats, but also the injury history. Paye and Oweh have the athletic numbers which point to potential. I personally can not evaluate these guys. A professional coach and scout need to give their opinions to Spielman who gets to make the call. The thing is for the edge rushers is that they will not all be gone if the Vikings trade back. Another point is that if the team trades up from their third round selection they should be able to get a pretty good guard. That's one scenario. Trade back in first. Trade up from third. On the other hand, if Slater or Darrisaw are available, they could be plug and play Pro Bowl offensive linemen for years to come. Maybe Vera-Tucker too. It may come down to who's on the board still and what the offers are to trade back. That we don't know. Spielman may already have some offers to consider for trade backs. I doubt that he trades up.

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 4:34:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I was listening to a couple podcasts today. Mixed reviews on Darrisaw. -All the talent in the world but a very mundane temperament. -Plays down to his competition and seems disinterested most of the time. -Yet threw Joseph Ossai around like a rag doll. Jaycee Horn -Will rip a wr's face off -NFL comparison is Jalen Ramsey Philips or Parsons. Get Orlando Brown Get a couple Guards in 4th round Udoh definitely in mix Philips is the best pass rusher in this class. But a concussion or two away from retirement. Hopefully balt softens up their asking price after no takers after day one of the draft. Ben Cleveland at 242lbs could clear some running lanes. Washington got a 3rd and a 5th for Trent Williams. Brown shouldn't be worth any more than that. Ben Cleveland at 242. What is this? The 70's. [8\|] Miami got two firsts for Tunsil. Not saying Brown is worth it. I personally don't want us to trade for Brown, hope it doesn't happen. The Texans have been on a roll for questionable moves. I'm thinking we do it. Speilman got played by Trent Williams last year and likes making the big splash. I predict trading a 3rd and a 4th and 2022 4th for Brown and a 7th.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 4:57:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Bateman will most likely be there with one of our 3rd rounders (not sure he'll slide to 90 but it's possible). Guy should have a good/solid NFL career. Why is Bateman likely to be there in the third? What changed? I heard nothing but 1st round for him previously. You're thinking of Batman. Nope Bateman. I saw him mocked as early at 10 and late in the first, but never out of it.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 4:59:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Bateman will most likely be there with one of our 3rd rounders (not sure he'll slide to 90 but it's possible). Guy should have a good/solid NFL career. Why is Bateman likely to be there in the third? What changed? I heard nothing but 1st round for him previously. You're thinking of Batman. Nope Bateman. I saw him mocked as early at 10 and late in the first, but never out of it. My hunch is that he goes early in the second round, but I could be wrong. We'll see in a couple of weeks.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 5:05:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Bateman will most likely be there with one of our 3rd rounders (not sure he'll slide to 90 but it's possible). Guy should have a good/solid NFL career. Why is Bateman likely to be there in the third? What changed? I heard nothing but 1st round for him previously. You're thinking of Batman. Nope Bateman. I saw him mocked as early at 10 and late in the first, but never out of it. My hunch is that he goes early in the second round, but I could be wrong. We'll see in a couple of weeks. First mock I checked CBS Round 1 - Pick 20 Rashod Bateman WR MINNESOTA • SOPH • 6'2" / 210 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Chicago PROSPECT RNK 34th POSITION RNK 6th Given the uncertainty with Allen Robinson's future, the Bears pick a wideout with similar characteristics to him for new starter Andy Dalton. 2nd mock I checked had Bateman falling out of the first round and this interesting Vikings trade back. 19 Minnesota Vikings (via Washington) TRADE Christian Darrisaw Virginia Tech · OT Minnesota fills a big need by solidifying the left tackle position after Riley Reiff's exit.

Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 5:17:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I was listening to a couple podcasts today. Mixed reviews on Darrisaw. -All the talent in the world but a very mundane temperament. -Plays down to his competition and seems disinterested most of the time. -Yet threw Joseph Ossai around like a rag doll. Jaycee Horn -Will rip a wr's face off -NFL comparison is Jalen Ramsey Philips or Parsons. Get Orlando Brown Get a couple Guards in 4th round Udoh definitely in mix Philips is the best pass rusher in this class. But a concussion or two away from retirement. Hopefully balt softens up their asking price after no takers after day one of the draft. Ben Cleveland at 242lbs could clear some running lanes. Washington got a 3rd and a 5th for Trent Williams. Brown shouldn't be worth any more than that. Ben Cleveland at 242. What is this? The 70's. [8\|] Miami got two firsts for Tunsil. Not saying Brown is worth it. I personally don't want us to trade for Brown, hope it doesn't happen. The Texans have been on a roll for questionable moves. I'm thinking we do it. Speilman got played by Trent Williams last year and likes making the big splash. I predict trading a 3rd and a 4th and 2022 4th for Brown and a 7th. Trent Williams was holding out, old and expensive. I don't think Brown will hold out, is young and 1 more year of cheap contract/team control. I doubt it will take what the Texans gave, but it will take more than a couple of mid round picks, imo.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 5:20:39 PM)
I just did the PFF draft sim and took Mac Jones with the 14th. They gave that move an A+. I went heavy on OL after that with Keldrick Green in the 2nd and got a C+ for that. Ended up with an A- grade overall. I copied it, but can't paste it here for whatever reason.

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 5:35:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro I was listening to a couple podcasts today. Mixed reviews on Darrisaw. -All the talent in the world but a very mundane temperament. -Plays down to his competition and seems disinterested most of the time. -Yet threw Joseph Ossai around like a rag doll. Jaycee Horn -Will rip a wr's face off -NFL comparison is Jalen Ramsey Philips or Parsons. Get Orlando Brown Get a couple Guards in 4th round Udoh definitely in mix Philips is the best pass rusher in this class. But a concussion or two away from retirement. Hopefully balt softens up their asking price after no takers after day one of the draft. Ben Cleveland at 242lbs could clear some running lanes. Washington got a 3rd and a 5th for Trent Williams. Brown shouldn't be worth any more than that. Ben Cleveland at 242. What is this? The 70's. [8\|] Miami got two firsts for Tunsil. Not saying Brown is worth it. I personally don't want us to trade for Brown, hope it doesn't happen. The Texans have been on a roll for questionable moves. I'm thinking we do it. Speilman got played by Trent Williams last year and likes making the big splash. I predict trading a 3rd and a 4th and 2022 4th for Brown and a 7th. Trent Williams was holding out, old and expensive. I don't think Brown will hold out, is young and 1 more year of cheap contract/team control. I doubt it will take what the Texans gave, but it will take more than a couple of mid round picks, imo. Yeah. You might be right. Although Brown says he will only play LT so the Ravens pretty much have to move him. That hurts their leverage.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 7:50:58 PM)
Dede Westbrook hit over 21 mph on a punt return in 2018. Ran a 4.34 at his pro day. He would be the perfect complement to thielen and Jefferson. Should also come cheap as he missed all of last season Deshawn Vaughan on Twitter Sorry. Westbrook is a free agent and not a draft prospect. Here's a video, though. https://youtu.be/T73zK8AezVI

jbusse -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 8:46:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Bateman will most likely be there with one of our 3rd rounders (not sure he'll slide to 90 but it's possible). Guy should have a good/solid NFL career. Why is Bateman likely to be there in the third? What changed? I heard nothing but 1st round for him previously. You're thinking of Batman. Nope Bateman. I saw him mocked as early at 10 and late in the first, but never out of it. My hunch is that he goes early in the second round, but I could be wrong. We'll see in a couple of weeks. First mock I checked CBS Round 1 - Pick 20 Rashod Bateman WR MINNESOTA • SOPH • 6'2" / 210 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Chicago PROSPECT RNK 34th POSITION RNK 6th Given the uncertainty with Allen Robinson's future, the Bears pick a wideout with similar characteristics to him for new starter Andy Dalton. 2nd mock I checked had Bateman falling out of the first round and this interesting Vikings trade back. 19 Minnesota Vikings (via Washington) TRADE Christian Darrisaw Virginia Tech · OT Minnesota fills a big need by solidifying the left tackle position after Riley Reiff's exit. Bateman's dropping because he's 6'0'' / 190 LBS whereas MN had him listed as 6'2'' / 210 LBS

Todd M -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/15/2021 9:32:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott Here is what I would love the Vikings to do during the Draft. Pick at 14 and take the best guy that falls to us, UNLESS somebody makes us an offer we can't refuse. Use trades to move up as much as possible and end up with just three picks in the first two rounds Pick BPA and then Oline and QB to sit and be groomed to replace Captain Kirk. So you just want them to do what they would never do and what they wouldn't have the points to do even if they wanted to. Hell of a plan.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/16/2021 3:48:55 AM)
There will be some very good players available in the third round. I promise you that if we keep them we will be excited about the choices made.

Brad H -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/16/2021 6:05:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Bateman will most likely be there with one of our 3rd rounders (not sure he'll slide to 90 but it's possible). Guy should have a good/solid NFL career. Why is Bateman likely to be there in the third? What changed? I heard nothing but 1st round for him previously. You're thinking of Batman. Nope Bateman. I saw him mocked as early at 10 and late in the first, but never out of it. My hunch is that he goes early in the second round, but I could be wrong. We'll see in a couple of weeks. First mock I checked CBS Round 1 - Pick 20 Rashod Bateman WR MINNESOTA • SOPH • 6'2" / 210 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Chicago PROSPECT RNK 34th POSITION RNK 6th Given the uncertainty with Allen Robinson's future, the Bears pick a wideout with similar characteristics to him for new starter Andy Dalton. 2nd mock I checked had Bateman falling out of the first round and this interesting Vikings trade back. 19 Minnesota Vikings (via Washington) TRADE Christian Darrisaw Virginia Tech · OT Minnesota fills a big need by solidifying the left tackle position after Riley Reiff's exit. Bateman's dropping because he's 6'0'' / 190 LBS whereas MN had him listed as 6'2'' / 210 LBS Bateman is dropping for a lot of reasons. He was getting high praise before the season after playing alongside Tyler Johnson the previous year. Then he bailed on his team, rejoined the team and bailed again. Along the way, he wasn't nearly as effective of a wide receiver without Johnson on the other side and was fairly disappointing in his play. It was not a good 12 months for Bateman.

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/16/2021 6:52:12 AM)
Read somewhere that some teams are removing players that opted out down their board or completely off.

Murph -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/16/2021 7:47:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Read somewhere that some teams are removing players that opted out down their board or completely off. Hope that's true for Sewell and Slater who both opted out and would need to drop to make it to #14.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/16/2021 9:51:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom I just did the PFF draft sim and took Mac Jones with the 14th. They gave that move an A+. I went heavy on OL after that with Keldrick Green in the 2nd and got a C+ for that. Ended up with an A- grade overall. I copied it, but can't paste it here for whatever reason. How did you maneuver the 2nd?

bstinger -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/16/2021 11:35:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom I just did the PFF draft sim and took Mac Jones with the 14th. They gave that move an A+. I went heavy on OL after that with Keldrick Green in the 2nd and got a C+ for that. Ended up with an A- grade overall. I copied it, but can't paste it here for whatever reason. PFF overvalues QB's in their grading.

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