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Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/4/2022 11:33:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes So Zimmer's solution to Bradbury was to try and add size next to him. Udoh, Cole, no-show Wyatt I thought this was just Zimmer being his typical unhinged self. O'Connell' solution is to throw a quantity of 2-3 tier FAs next to him. Reed (2 yr deal), J. Davis (1 yr deal), Davis (rookie deal), Udoh (rookie deal), Schlottman (1 yr deal). I take it all back, I'm now begging to get on the Linderbomb at #12 tiny wagon. Linderbaum's draft profile is essentially a copy/paste of Bradbury's Which is why I was against it ... But ... if O'Connell is going to crown Bradbury's ass in April ... Kwesi better step up and do his job and find adequate competition. [I'm kidding about Linderbomb in rd. 1. No way.]

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 1:29:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes So Zimmer's solution to Bradbury was to try and add size next to him. Udoh, Cole, no-show Wyatt I thought this was just Zimmer being his typical unhinged self. O'Connell' solution is to throw a quantity of 2-3 tier FAs next to him. Reed (2 yr deal), J. Davis (1 yr deal), Davis (rookie deal), Udoh (rookie deal), Schlottman (1 yr deal). I take it all back, I'm now begging to get on the Lindenbomb at #12 tiny wagon. Dream scenario would be to trade with Pittsburgh for #20 and a 1st and 3rd in 2023. i haven't seen that trade in any mock, but yesterday i saw trades with the packers and cardinals for their 1st, 2nd, and a 2023 2nd....

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 7:19:24 AM)
If the OL draft prospects were Minnesota Gophers or like Chris Reed, from Mankato.. Fine and dandy.. Iowa? [sm=vomit.gif][sm=moe.gif][sm=thblowup.gif] Iowa's list includes: • Bryan Bulaga, who was drafted in the first round in 2010 by Green Bay. • Riley Reiff, a first-rounder in 2012 by the Detroit Lions. • Brandon Scherff, a first-round pick by the Washington Redskins in 2015. • James Daniels, a second-round selection in 2018 by the Chicago Bears. • Austin Blythe, a seventh-round pick by Indianapolis in 2015 who has found a home on the Los Angeles Rams' offensive line. Gophers=zero… C’mon..

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 10:34:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz quote: ORIGINAL: David F. If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed. Bingo! I love it. every time a new regime takes over. some fans are ready to pull out the torches and pitchforks. Bradbury was the best C coming out of college the year he was drafted. Zimmer's staffs were always terrible at Oline coaching. Perhaps a new regime can get more out of him? I don't think we need to throw out the new regime before they've even played a single game.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 11:03:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz quote: ORIGINAL: David F. If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed. Bingo! I love it. every time a new regime takes over. some fans are ready to pull out the torches and pitchforks. Bradbury was the best C coming out of college the year he was drafted. Zimmer's staffs were always terrible at Oline coaching. Perhaps a new regime can get more out of him? I don't think we need to throw out the new regime before they've even played a single game. You think Bradbury can be taught to not get blown back five yards like he's weightless on pass plays? Further - you think that in three years of atrocious on-field performance the main problem was that the organization just couldn't find someone that could "get more out of him"? I just sent a billionaire $11,000 for the privilege to watch nine football games. You better damn well believe I expect the bare minimum in terms of decision making on the roster.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 11:26:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz quote: ORIGINAL: David F. If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed. Bingo! I love it. every time a new regime takes over. some fans are ready to pull out the torches and pitchforks. Bradbury was the best C coming out of college the year he was drafted. Zimmer's staffs were always terrible at Oline coaching. Perhaps a new regime can get more out of him? I don't think we need to throw out the new regime before they've even played a single game. You think Bradbury can be taught to not get blown back five yards like he's weightless on pass plays? Further - you think that in three years of atrocious on-field performance the main problem was that the organization just couldn't find someone that could "get more out of him"? I just sent a billionaire $11,000 for the privilege to watch nine football games. You better damn well believe I expect the bare minimum in terms of decision making on the roster. You really aren't going to give this front office any time to correct the problems? You really gave all that money to a product you KNOW is defective? You really aren't going to give KOC a chance to correct this though coaching/scheme? Let's just give up on KAM and KOC before they've even had ONE practice. That's reasonable. Come on. You're not even giving them a chance. So say they draft the next Birk. You still going to demand the outright release of Bradbury? For years we had the Zimmer run Oline. If he proved anything over the years is that he did not know how to coach Oline one little bit. He may have hired previously good Oline coaches but the appearance is Zimmer's way or the highway so it was all Zim. and he didn't have a clue how to coach them up. Maybe KOC has some new insights. When the Vikings had Jeff Christy as the OC on an amazing line, he was undersized and they found a way to scheme around it and we did great. Zimmer didn't know how to do that. That, imo, is a huge reason why Bradbury has failed, and Elflein before him. But the point of my original post had nothing to do with Bradbury. It was all about two posters already giving up on a new GM and Coach before we've even had a single practice. Before we've played any games. No draft., no OTAs, No camp. and you've already thrown in the towel. Have some faith.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 11:34:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz quote: ORIGINAL: David F. If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed. Bingo! I love it. every time a new regime takes over. some fans are ready to pull out the torches and pitchforks. Bradbury was the best C coming out of college the year he was drafted. Zimmer's staffs were always terrible at Oline coaching. Perhaps a new regime can get more out of him? I don't think we need to throw out the new regime before they've even played a single game. You think Bradbury can be taught to not get blown back five yards like he's weightless on pass plays? Further - you think that in three years of atrocious on-field performance the main problem was that the organization just couldn't find someone that could "get more out of him"? I just sent a billionaire $11,000 for the privilege to watch nine football games. You better damn well believe I expect the bare minimum in terms of decision making on the roster. You really aren't going to give this front office any time to correct the problems? Never said that. You really gave all that money to a product you KNOW is defective? Yep. Hook it to my veins!!! You really aren't going to give KOC a chance to correct this though coaching/scheme? Never said that. Let's just give up on KAM and KOC before they've even had ONE practice. Never said that. That's reasonable. Come on. You're not even giving them a chance. So say they draft the next Birk. You still going to demand the outright release of Bradbury? Nope - his money is guaranteed so he's the backup now. For years we had the Zimmer run Oline. If he proved anything over the years is that he did not know how to coach Oline one little bit. He may have hired previously good Oline coaches but the appearance is Zimmer's way or the highway so it was all Zim. and he didn't have a clue how to coach them up. Maybe KOC has some new insights. When the Vikings had Jeff Christy as the OC on an amazing line, he was undersized and they found a way to scheme around it and we did great. Zimmer didn't know how to do that. That, imo, is a huge reason why Bradbury has failed, and Elflein before him. But the point of my original post had nothing to do with Bradbury. It was all about two posters already giving up on a new GM and Coach before we've even had a single practice. Before we've played any games. No draft., no OTAs, No camp. and you've already thrown in the towel. Have some faith. Garrett Bradbury is Jeff Christy. That's what you're saying?

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 12:01:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz quote: ORIGINAL: David F. If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed. Bingo! I love it. every time a new regime takes over. some fans are ready to pull out the torches and pitchforks. Bradbury was the best C coming out of college the year he was drafted. Zimmer's staffs were always terrible at Oline coaching. Perhaps a new regime can get more out of him? I don't think we need to throw out the new regime before they've even played a single game. You think Bradbury can be taught to not get blown back five yards like he's weightless on pass plays? Further - you think that in three years of atrocious on-field performance the main problem was that the organization just couldn't find someone that could "get more out of him"? I just sent a billionaire $11,000 for the privilege to watch nine football games. You better damn well believe I expect the bare minimum in terms of decision making on the roster. You really aren't going to give this front office any time to correct the problems? Never said that. You really gave all that money to a product you KNOW is defective? Yep. Hook it to my veins!!! You really aren't going to give KOC a chance to correct this though coaching/scheme? Never said that. Let's just give up on KAM and KOC before they've even had ONE practice. Never said that. That's reasonable. Come on. You're not even giving them a chance. So say they draft the next Birk. You still going to demand the outright release of Bradbury? Nope - his money is guaranteed so he's the backup now. For years we had the Zimmer run Oline. If he proved anything over the years is that he did not know how to coach Oline one little bit. He may have hired previously good Oline coaches but the appearance is Zimmer's way or the highway so it was all Zim. and he didn't have a clue how to coach them up. Maybe KOC has some new insights. When the Vikings had Jeff Christy as the OC on an amazing line, he was undersized and they found a way to scheme around it and we did great. Zimmer didn't know how to do that. That, imo, is a huge reason why Bradbury has failed, and Elflein before him. But the point of my original post had nothing to do with Bradbury. It was all about two posters already giving up on a new GM and Coach before we've even had a single practice. Before we've played any games. No draft., no OTAs, No camp. and you've already thrown in the towel. Have some faith. Garrett Bradbury is Jeff Christy. That's what you're saying? NO. What I said is Christy was undersized and a smarter coaching staff schemed around that. Zimmer never could do that. You could tell by the stubborn ass playcalling and antiquated gameplans. Bradbury's deficiencies could be schemed around with better coaching. and it is conceivable that KOC sees a flaw that can be corrected in Bradbury's game. You've already decided that you will chant fire KOC and Fire Kwesi if they don't replace a center. That's ludicrous. There are numerous factors in why they haven't addressed Bradbury yet. 1. There just weren't any Cs that would be better that they could afford in FA with our cap situation. 2. they have their eye on another rookie or two in the Draft. 3. They saw a greater need to shore up the defense, especially the DBs with FA. 4. they may, as I have mentioned before, have noticed a flaw they think they can correct in Bradbury's game. There may be many more reasons. I refuse to judge the success/failure of their plan before they've played a game.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 12:18:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz quote: ORIGINAL: David F. If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed. Bingo! I love it. every time a new regime takes over. some fans are ready to pull out the torches and pitchforks. Bradbury was the best C coming out of college the year he was drafted. Zimmer's staffs were always terrible at Oline coaching. Perhaps a new regime can get more out of him? I don't think we need to throw out the new regime before they've even played a single game. You think Bradbury can be taught to not get blown back five yards like he's weightless on pass plays? Further - you think that in three years of atrocious on-field performance the main problem was that the organization just couldn't find someone that could "get more out of him"? I just sent a billionaire $11,000 for the privilege to watch nine football games. You better damn well believe I expect the bare minimum in terms of decision making on the roster. You really aren't going to give this front office any time to correct the problems? Never said that. You really gave all that money to a product you KNOW is defective? Yep. Hook it to my veins!!! You really aren't going to give KOC a chance to correct this though coaching/scheme? Never said that. Let's just give up on KAM and KOC before they've even had ONE practice. Never said that. That's reasonable. Come on. You're not even giving them a chance. So say they draft the next Birk. You still going to demand the outright release of Bradbury? Nope - his money is guaranteed so he's the backup now. For years we had the Zimmer run Oline. If he proved anything over the years is that he did not know how to coach Oline one little bit. He may have hired previously good Oline coaches but the appearance is Zimmer's way or the highway so it was all Zim. and he didn't have a clue how to coach them up. Maybe KOC has some new insights. When the Vikings had Jeff Christy as the OC on an amazing line, he was undersized and they found a way to scheme around it and we did great. Zimmer didn't know how to do that. That, imo, is a huge reason why Bradbury has failed, and Elflein before him. But the point of my original post had nothing to do with Bradbury. It was all about two posters already giving up on a new GM and Coach before we've even had a single practice. Before we've played any games. No draft., no OTAs, No camp. and you've already thrown in the towel. Have some faith. Garrett Bradbury is Jeff Christy. That's what you're saying? NO. What I said is Christy was undersized and a smarter coaching staff schemed around that. Zimmer never could do that. You could tell by the stubborn ass playcalling and antiquated gameplans. Bradbury's deficiencies could be schemed around with better coaching. and it is conceivable that KOC sees a flaw that can be corrected in Bradbury's game. You've already decided that you will chant fire KOC and Fire Kwesi if they don't replace a center. That's ludicrous. There are numerous factors in why they haven't addressed Bradbury yet. 1. There just weren't any Cs that would be better that they could afford in FA with our cap situation. 2. they have their eye on another rookie or two in the Draft. 3. They saw a greater need to shore up the defense, especially the DBs with FA. 4. they may, as I have mentioned before, have noticed a flaw they think they can correct in Bradbury's game. There may be many more reasons. I refuse to judge the success/failure of their plan before they've played a game. I knew that you didn't mean that. I was just trying to show you what it looks like when you try and frame someone's posts into a fabrication and then debate based on those fabrications. It's kind of silly isn't it?

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 5:23:11 PM)
I could see Aaron Rodgers getting disinterested by mid season, dealing with a rebuild, and a tough schedule. He'll just be happy he got his money, like Kirk has been. The Vikes have a chance at winning the division, if Kirk is motivated to prove he is better than mediocre.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 5:44:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty I could see Aaron Rodgers getting disinterested by mid season, dealing with a rebuild, and a tough schedule. He'll just be happy he got his money, like Kirk has been. The Vikes have a chance at winning the division, if Kirk is motivated to prove he is better than mediocre. Totally randomly, Marty butts (no pun intended) his man love AARON RODGERS into the conversation. For bogus cover, he throws in a meaningless sentence at the end... akin to a late 7th rounder. Pathetic.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 5:45:33 PM)
GO FIND A packers BOARD marty. Back to your regularly scheduled programming....

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/5/2022 6:44:30 PM)
You're comments are just really stupid Bill. I think the Vikes really have a shot at winning the division, it's only the head scratchers like re-signing Mannion that makes one question if they really know what they're doing.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/7/2022 10:31:23 AM)
OvertheCap reported this morning that #Vikings guard Chris Reed signed a two-year, $4.5 million contract with $1 million guaranteed. He has cap numbers of $1.75 million in 2022 and $2.75 million in 2023.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/8/2022 4:36:40 PM)
https://purpleptsd.com/chris-reed-will-help-the-vikings-ol/

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/8/2022 4:40:00 PM)
Bears have gone backwards, I think the Vikes will win the division. I think Cousins will lead the Vikes to a playoff win over either the Bucs or the Packers. Then they will either lose to the Rams, or if they are in the Super Bowl, they will lose to the Bills or Broncos, probably the Bills.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/8/2022 4:47:32 PM)
The Vikings should consider trading for Deebo, if they want to win a Super Bowl. I think Buffalo is poised to win the Super Bowl, but a lot can happen.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/8/2022 5:03:29 PM)
Before last season, I would have had Cousins and Stafford ranked about the same, maybe Cousins slightly higher. The Vikes used to hit Stafford a few times early, and then the Vikings would go on to beat the Lions. There is no reason why the Vikings can't be have a top offense with Kirk, and win the Super Bowl with O'Connell at the controls. Kirk just needs a little motivation.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/8/2022 9:32:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty Before last season, I would have had Cousins and Stafford ranked about the same, maybe Cousins slightly higher. The Vikes used to hit Stafford a few times early, and then the Vikings would go on to beat the Lions. There is no reason why the Vikings can't be have a top offense with Kirk, and win the Super Bowl with O'Connell at the controls. Kirk just needs a little motivation. nm

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/9/2022 3:29:25 PM)
From warren sharp’s Twitter: the Vikings allowed TDs on 32.4% of opponent drives in the final 4 minutes before halftime or the end of the game worst in the NFL NFL average was 12% #31 was 20.6% not only did they rank #32 in the NFL last season... they ranked #686 of 686 teams since at least 2000

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/9/2022 4:10:00 PM)
MOAP(wins) zimmerball.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/9/2022 5:28:26 PM)
I wonder how much further back in time you have to go to find a worse team. Or if there was. If it wasn't the worst ever it has to be close. That is Zimmer's legacy. The biggest bitch prevent defense the last qtr century maybe ever.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/9/2022 8:20:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M I wonder how much further back in time you have to go to find a worse team. Or if there was. If it wasn't the worst ever it has to be close. That is Zimmer's legacy. The biggest bitch prevent defense the last qtr century maybe ever. First, the '4 minutes remaining' filter sounds a little like cherry picking. Still, by related barometers they were terrible, for example (notional) over the last 3 minutes they were 637 out of 686. Now, not defending Zimmer and his 'lineup at this exact spot' defense, but Breeland and Alexander were horrid. The question is how much was attributed to a bad scheme/ As to how we could fare compared to last year, it's all kind of masked with the potential 3-4 roll out. Maybe a new slate with no comparisons if it is the majority of the snaps.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/10/2022 5:01:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. From warren sharp’s Twitter: the Vikings allowed TDs on 32.4% of opponent drives in the final 4 minutes before halftime or the end of the game worst in the NFL NFL average was 12% #31 was 20.6% not only did they rank #32 in the NFL last season... they ranked #686 of 686 teams since at least 2000 ...and it showed...those games were emotionally torturous to watch...i think that spielman could have saved his job if he fired zimmer in the middle of the season - and i think we would have made the playoffs.... i put last season 95% on zimmer (spielman for keeping him)...mike zimmer is an example of an in-season NFL burnout-meltdown...he may never recover psychologically...someone should make a documentary film about the vikes' 2021 season - can you imagine what the sideline conversations were like - zimmer mic'd up?.... imo when eric kendricks mentioned playing in fear, he was talking about kubiak, cousins, and dantzler primarily - younger players...not himself.... .

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/10/2022 5:19:43 AM)
. . i've noticed that people are talking down on eric kendricks - had an off-year in 2021, but if you look at most of his stats it was one of his best seasons...it's just that he was playing all alone in the middle - our tackles were giving him nothing.... kendricks in 2021 tackles 143...his most of any year solo 81....his most of any year sacks 5....his most of any year interceptions 2...second-most of any year games played 15...second-most of any year eric kendricks plays his ass off every game...now he'll have jordan hicks playing next to him - another baller....

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