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SAMiller711r -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/10/2022 2:52:22 PM)

Course he's been here twice already. Maybe he don't wanna come. But then again, maybe third time's the charm no?




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/10/2022 4:37:42 PM)

I personally don't see Sloter as a better option than Mond or Mannion....Dan had a couple better options; one of mine that Dan mentioned would be: Blake Bortles.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/10/2022 4:39:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: SAMiller711r

Looks like Sloter is back on the market. C'mon let's make this happen.


Do you see him as a true #2?

Yes.




SAMiller711r -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/10/2022 4:57:47 PM)

Well, as for me, I just want someone who has some experience, has seen at least a little success and can deliver the ball with some authority with mostly the right read. Just think Sloter may fit the bill. It's a backup to a generally healthy Cousins. A probably inexpensive insurance policy




marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/10/2022 6:22:47 PM)

Cousins is really similar to Rodgers, just doesn't read things as quickly, a little less accurate thrower, a little slower in the pocket, but he is a few years younger. Rodgers will eventually be a Kirk Cousins, maybe in 10 years.




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/10/2022 6:28:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marty

Cousins is really similar to Rodgers, just doesn't read things as quickly, a little less accurate thrower, a little slower in the pocket, but he is a few years younger. Rodgers will eventually be a Kirk Cousins, maybe in 10 years.


KC and Erin in the same sentence..

Signs of the Martyocalypse, # 243..




Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/10/2022 9:10:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: marty

Cousins is really similar to Rodgers, just doesn't read things as quickly, a little less accurate thrower, a little slower in the pocket, but he is a few years younger. Rodgers will eventually be a Kirk Cousins, maybe in 10 years.


KC and Erin in the same sentence..

Signs of the Martyocalypse, # 243..

He could be if he'd just do some 'shrooms once in awhile ...




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 12:58:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: marty

Cousins is really similar to Rodgers, just doesn't read things as quickly, a little less accurate thrower, a little slower in the pocket, but he is a few years younger. Rodgers will eventually be a Kirk Cousins, maybe in 10 years.


KC and Erin in the same sentence..

Signs of the Martyocalypse, # 243..

He could be if he'd just do some 'shrooms once in awhile ...


This is the way.




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 1:13:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SAMiller711r

Well, as for me, I just want someone who has some experience, has seen at least a little success and can deliver the ball with some authority with mostly the right read. Just think Sloter may fit the bill. It's a backup to a generally healthy Cousins. A probably inexpensive insurance policy

Is he better than josh freeman?
I know he is better than Minion.
Mond hasn’t had time.
Ever.
Minion is worthless, to me.
Hell I’d take Collin Kapernick, over Minion.




SAMiller711r -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 9:34:58 AM)

Not sure if I'd take Kapernick. Might be the best of what's left. But I'm not sure he wants to play. Not sure if he can still play. Ssn Fran seemed to have some doubts back in the day. His last contract with them was really heavy in incentives showing that they weren't necessarily sold and lastly anywhere he went would immediately become a media circus. There would be a constant question of him supplanting Cousins. Too much distraction




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 10:05:22 AM)

Arif's 58 Thoughts on 58 Players:

Injured:
Many fans had their first real looks at the new Vikings offense and defense during the team’s practice Monday night. We have notes on the performances of over 50 players, which should help set expectations for the Vikings as they prepare for their preseason opener Sunday against the Las Vegas Raiders.

The Vikings have been relatively healthy throughout camp. The most significant absence Monday was first-round pick Lewis Cine, who will return Wednesday. Receiver Dan Chisena also missed Monday’s practice, while rookies Akayleb Evans and Jullian Taylor sat out their second practices in a row.

Running back Kene Nwangwu was previously day to day and began participating fully by Sunday. Left tackle Christian Darrisaw was a full participant in Monday’s practice after being a limited participant the previous few days because of his arm. Receiver Myron Mitchell missed Saturday’s practice because of a hamstring issue but was a full participant on Sunday and Monday.

Head coach Kevin O’Connell described Irv Smith Jr.’s thumb injury as ligament damage, and there has been no change to his timeline — meaning he’s expected to be ready by Week 1. Receiver Blake Proehl and linebacker Ryan Connelly remain on the physically unable to perform list.

QB:
We’ve mostly seen good things from Kirk Cousins. While there has been the occasional interception, his play has looked much more good than bad, and we’re seeing elements of a deep passing offense even before they begin to implement heavy play-action work. Cousins has found ways to overcome some early issues he had threading tight windows and is now generating touchdowns consistently. Saturday was the only day Cousins failed to execute in the two-minute drill situations at the end of practice, ending on a sack. That record stands in stark opposition to training camps in previous seasons, some of which saw him fail every two-minute drill over the three weeks of camp.

By contrast, Kellen Mond has struggled. He has thrown interceptions consistently, has operated with poor timing and checks down far too often, even during two-minute drills. When forced off-platform, his accuracy drops significantly and he often underthrows wide-open receivers. His play in the night scrimmage was worrisome, from an underthrown deep ball to Trishton Jackson to overthrows on the sideline to multiple receivers. The lowlight of the night was a bad pick to Cameron Dantzler near the sideline. Mond has yet to win a situational drill in camp.

Sean Mannion has not played well, but he has been a good deal more consistent than Mond, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the Vikings stuck with Mannion as the backup.

RB:
There isn’t much here that hasn’t already been covered, but it remains the case that the running backs are being lined up everywhere a skill-position player could be lined up: out wide, in bunch, on the wing, in line and, of course, in the backfield. There are some creative uses of running backs that allow them to be more than dump-off options in the passing game, but we may not see innovation fully play out here until the start of the regular season.

WR:
Justin Jefferson is continuing his incredible camp, and opposing corners have done little to limit him. He’s won on every route in every situation. Once the preseason starts, we might also see how effective the yards-after-catch plays will be. The fly sweeps and tap passes behind the line of scrimmage typically feature Jefferson, too. We know he’s going to be the focus of the offense, and camp practices have reflected that.

Adam Thielen looks more like his previous self, and his play is reminiscent of his most productive stretch from 2016 to 2018. After some injury-shortened seasons and limited production when healthy, this might be big news.

If not, we could see K.J. Osborn play a bigger role in the offense. Osborn may have advanced more than any other player in camp, and he was already someone who took a big leap from his rookie year into his second season. He may have had the best day of any receiver on Friday, and his highlights against defenders like Dantzler and Patrick Peterson are particularly noteworthy.

Ihmir Smith-Marsette has almost certainly locked down the fourth receiver spot. His highlights as a receiver give him a great shot at a roster spot, but he has been a liability on special teams, both as a punt returner and a gunner.

After a muted beginning to camp, Jalen Nailor has made the most of the past few practices and might be the favorite for the fifth receiver spot. He’s had his share of highlights and has done a better job of getting open in team drills than the other receivers fighting for a spot.

Bisi Johnson is probably Nailor’s biggest competition for the fifth receiver position. Johnson has been reliable in camp, consistently getting open and catching the ball. On the other hand, he hasn’t made many big plays. That kind of reliability bodes well for a roster spot, but without upside, he could see himself losing out to players with more potential.

Also worth considering is Mitchell, who was doing well before his absence Saturday. He’d been consistently getting open in practices but has had issues securing the catch. He was stymied a few times on his best opportunities by pass-interference penalties and inaccurate throws, so his overall performance is difficult to judge.

Perhaps the fastest player on the roster, special-teamer Dan Chisena has improved as a receiver. It’s probably not enough to make the team, but his ability to modulate speed in routes and showcase better route running is exciting.

At the other end of the spectrum is Jackson, who has had difficulty in every phase of the process and has dropped several balls from the backup quarterbacks.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 10:06:21 AM)

Arif Continued:

TE:
With Smith out, we’ve seen more of Johnny Mundt, Ben Ellefson and Zach Davidson. It’s easy to see why Davidson has been getting hype in camp given his heavy target volume, but he has made some critical mistakes, including some drops. On top of that, O’Connell thinks he has a long way to go as a run blocker. While much of his production has to do with Mond’s proclivity for checking down, it’s notable that he’s getting more run than last year and has all-world athletic potential.

Mundt started camp impressively, but since his big day nearly a week ago, he has largely been quiet.

As a blocking tight end, Ellefson hasn’t had many highlights yet. He still seems to be a better route runner than seventh-round rookie Nick Muse or undrafted free agent Shaun Beyer, and we’ve seen Ellefson sneak into the end zone for the occasional touchdown during red zone drills. Between Muse and Beyer, Muse has demonstrated more upside and his advantage in terms of athleticism has been obvious. Muse is a good candidate for the practice squad.

OLine:
The biggest worry the Vikings have along their offensive line is center Garrett Bradbury. Bradbury’s pattern of underperformance in individual drills hasn’t changed, and the former first-round pick has lost reps to both power and speed from Harrison Phillips and Dalvin Tomlinson. His continued struggles have encouraged the Vikings to look within their offensive line room for a replacement. O’Connell confirmed that there’s a competition at center, saying the team likes what Bradbury can do as a run blocker but has been concerned about his pass-blocking technique.

The two most likely candidates to replace him would be free-agent signings Austin Schlottmann and Chris Reed, and Reed has both a stronger history and a bigger contract. The Vikings have begun rotating Reed into the center spot on the second team and pushing Schlottmann out to guard. After Reed botched some snaps with Mond, it seemed like that possibility might have died — but then Mond continued fumbling snaps with Schlottmann. It will be difficult to evaluate Reed’s ability to hike the ball and get into his set if the quarterback isn’t capable of catching snaps. As it is, snapping errors are occurring much more often with Reed than Schlottmann, so it may be a combination of mistakes from the centers and Mond.

When offensive coordinator Wes Phillips was asked about how to evaluate the center competition, he said “Well, the snap is No. 1. Both under center and gun, there’s got to be a comfort level with the quarterbacks, and then the communication is huge.”

We’ve seen strong performances from Brian O’Neill at right tackle, Ezra Cleveland at left guard and Darrisaw — when healthy — at left tackle. At times, when Darrisaw was limited because of his arm, Oli Udoh replaced him in the lineup and looked much more comfortable at tackle than at guard. Still, Udoh had his fair share of struggles against Danielle Hunter and Za’Darius Smith. He also had difficulty during Monday’s team drills, allowing the pocket to collapse on both running and passing drills.

At right guard, Jesse Davis should still be the favorite. With Reed rotating in at center, it seems like Ed Ingram might be the only competitor for the job. Ingram has struggled in camp, and though he has improved with each practice, he’s still losing more reps than Davis is and often against lesser competition.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 10:10:51 AM)

More Arif:
DLine:
Phillips and Tomlinson have been excellent, though it’s difficult to have faith in the pass-rush ability of either of them until they prove it in a game situation. Still, Phillips has done an excellent job walking interior linemen back in the running game while Tomlinson has done a stellar job of shedding offensive linemen to go for the tackle.

Both put on clinics in run defense Monday night, and it looks like this feature of the game could be consistent from one snap to the next. Defensive coordinator Ed Donatell is hoping to see some pass-rush upside from Tomlinson going forward, saying “he’s working toward getting his weight where he wants it, and he’s showing that speed and quickness.”

The third lineman is likely to be Armon Watts, who has done well in pass-rush drills. It doesn’t seem as if Watts has taken a step forward in his development, but rather that this role is a better fit for what he does well. Being pigeonholed as a nose tackle in a four-man front when he was a pass rusher in college was not the best situation for him.

Behind those three is a stiff competition in which no one has taken the lead role. Like Watts, James Lynch was ill-suited for the previous scheme, but we simply haven’t seen big moves from the pass-rushing lineman on the second unit. Esezi Otomewo has shown incredible explosiveness but has been limited by his stiffness and has had issues turning his explosive first step into a consistent weapon. Jaylen Twyman hasn’t really shined. He hasn’t struggled, but he hasn’t stood out.

Among the third-team linemen, there are some intriguing names. Jonathan Bullard, a third-round pick for the Bears in 2016, has flashed in practices, showing up against first-, second- and third-team offensive linemen. Alongside him are T.Y. McGill and Taylor, who have had their fair share of wins against the second- and third-team linemen. Should the Vikings prefer depth at pass rusher, they might prefer Bullard. But there aren’t many bodies at nose tackle, and they might want to consider someone like Taylor, an undrafted free agent rookie who could sneak onto the back of the roster or operate as shadow depth on the practice squad. His injury could set him back, but he has been somewhat impressive when available.

A compromise between those two extremes could be McGill, whose play over the past couple of days has stood out. McGill’s performance Monday stood out and might have put him on track to make the team above some of the supposed second-team linemen.

Edge defenders
Early returns in camp have been mixed for the starting duo of Hunter and Za’Darius Smith. While Hunter continues to look like an elite pass rusher, Smith has been less steady in his production. When lined up over center, Smith has looked remarkable, but the Vikings haven’t been shy about putting him all over the formation. He has covered the flats and middle zones and has rushed very gap.

That could be an indication that both Darrisaw and O’Neill are already high-level tackles, but in the limited reps Smith had against Udoh, you’d hope to see more. It’s not a big concern and it’s more likely that Smith will produce once the regular season arrives, but it’s worth noting.

Among the backups, it appears as if D.J. Wonnum is taking a step forward in his development and could turn into a reliable pass rusher. He has done well picking up what’s asked of him and might give the Vikings depth at a position where it’s needed.

Patrick Jones hasn’t been all that impressive, but there is a separation between him and the edge rushers behind him.

The Vikings are likely to keep a fifth edge rusher, and the competition for that spot is wide open. Janarius Robinson has done very little to secure the job, though he did turn in a good performance during the night scrimmage. Of the third-team outside linebackers, Andre Mintze has done the most to make the case for himself as a candidate for the 53-man roster both as a pass rusher and in coverage. He’s a little overwhelmed in the run game, but he still comes out ahead of Zach McCloud, who’s seeing occasional reps with the twos, and Luiji Vilain, who can’t seem to translate his excellent testing numbers into on-field explosiveness.

ILB:
Just as it is difficult to evaluate running backs in camp, it’s tough to fully gauge the linebackers. Jordan Hicks has come into his own, though, and has demonstrated alertness, finding himself in the backfield on running plays and on blitzes. He has even generated a few turnovers. His size and speed are good replacements for Anthony Barr thus far, even if they have different skill sets.

O’Connell likes the potential of the Hicks and Eric Kendricks combination. “What this defense allows people to do is everybody’s got vision on the ball, on the quarterback on different route structures,” he said. “They can play in space, which is a real trait for linebackers in this league. Those two guys have an unbelievable ability to be instinctively where they’re supposed to be by the X’s and O’s on paper but then also show up, punch a ball out, get a hand on a ball.”

There isn’t much to say about the practices of players like Kendricks, Blake Lynch or Troy Dye — not because they’re not playing well, but rather because it’s difficult to get the full picture. Lynch has rotated in with the second team and has largely looked like he fits. He has had some highlight moments, but the fact that Dye is regularly ahead of him on the depth chart likely tells us a bit more than his perceived play in practice.

Someone to watch out for, however, is rookie Brian Asamoah. His coverage has largely been disappointing, but he has been more productive of late, including several interceptions over the last few days of practice. As a run defender, he does well when the defensive linemen clear the way, but he has a difficult time getting off blocks when contacted by a tight end, fullback or offensive lineman.

Edge:
Early returns in camp have been mixed for the starting duo of Hunter and Za’Darius Smith. While Hunter continues to look like an elite pass rusher, Smith has been less steady in his production. When lined up over center, Smith has looked remarkable, but the Vikings haven’t been shy about putting him all over the formation. He has covered the flats and middle zones and has rushed very gap.

That could be an indication that both Darrisaw and O’Neill are already high-level tackles, but in the limited reps Smith had against Udoh, you’d hope to see more. It’s not a big concern and it’s more likely that Smith will produce once the regular season arrives, but it’s worth noting.

Among the backups, it appears as if D.J. Wonnum is taking a step forward in his development and could turn into a reliable pass rusher. He has done well picking up what’s asked of him and might give the Vikings depth at a position where it’s needed.

Patrick Jones hasn’t been all that impressive, but there is a separation between him and the edge rushers behind him.

The Vikings are likely to keep a fifth edge rusher, and the competition for that spot is wide open. Janarius Robinson has done very little to secure the job, though he did turn in a good performance during the night scrimmage. Of the third-team outside linebackers, Andre Mintze has done the most to make the case for himself as a candidate for the 53-man roster both as a pass rusher and in coverage. He’s a little overwhelmed in the run game, but he still comes out ahead of Zach McCloud, who’s seeing occasional reps with the twos, and Luiji Vilain, who can’t seem to translate his excellent testing numbers into on-field explosiveness.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 10:11:49 AM)

Arif Cont:

CB:
Peterson has adapted well to a role that has him playing off the line of scrimmage instead of playing press all day. Peterson has been the only one in camp who has been able to consistently slow down Jefferson, and he looks better than he has in his last few regular seasons for the Vikings and Cardinals.

On the other side of him is Dantzler, who has had a stellar camp. While he’s had his fair share of misses, he looks substantially better than last year and seems likely to start Week 1 against the Packers. He has generated interceptions, pass deflections and fumbles and has even looked good against Thielen and Osborn.

Andrew Booth, the second-round rookie who many expected to start, has been extremely up and down. At his best, he’s making acrobatic interceptions and crashing downhill to break up plays. At his worst, he’s giving up significant space for big plays, missing picks and getting called for penalties. During the night practice, he was flagged three separate times for pass interference, which the video boards showed were all correct calls.

Before Evans was forced to sit out the last few practices, he’d been having a somewhat similar camp. His highlights were a bit more frequent and his bad days further apart, but he’d also been going up against lesser competition.

The slot might represent the greatest challenge for the Vikings defense this season. Chandon Sullivan is struggling there while Parry Nickerson and Nate Hairston aren’t doing much better. Nickerson, as the backup slot, has had issues dealing with speed downfield and doesn’t do well against the offense when it’s in bunch sets. Hairston also hasn’t proven he’s capable there yet.

Safeties:
Before Cine’s excused absence from the Monday night practice, he had largely been rotating with the second team and demonstrated that he still has significant room to grow. His early troubles reacting quickly and diagnosing plays seem to have waned, and he’s doing a much better job of being where he needs to be. While this has made him an effective run defender in camp, he still has had some issues in coverage.

Camryn Bynum has played ahead of Cine instead, and he has been doing very well. While there are still occasional coverage busts, he has generally been where he needs to be and has been effective in contested situations.

Harrison Smith has been exciting to watch, and the coaches have used him in every role at every position, blitzing from deep and covering the single-high zone after starting at the line of scrimmage. Seeing a 33-year-old safety fake a pass rush only to run 30 yards downfield to deflect a pass is pretty incredible.

The Vikings seem to want to put Josh Metellus in a number of roles, as well. Not only is he a special teams maven, but they’ve had him on the field in dime packages, both as a linebacker and in the slot. And on the second team, he has often played as a two-high safety.

Specialists
Kicker Greg Joseph has earned the praise of both O’Connell and special teams coordinator Matt Daniels and has had an excellent camp. In team drills, Joseph has made all but one of his kicks, also making most of his kicks in individual drills. Monday night, he drilled the uprights three times in a row, but it’s unknown whether or not that was intentional as it’s hard to hit the uprights that often by accident. When put in situational drills, he has succeeded every time. In the night practice, Joseph finished with kicks from successively longer distances, going 7-for-8 and finishing with a successful 58-yard attempt.

This bodes well for veteran long snapper Andrew DePaola as there haven’t been any alarming snaps on special teams, and there have been no problems in the kicking or punting process.

At punter, Jordan Berry is, for the moment, playing better than rookie Ryan Wright. Wright’s punts are occasionally falling short and don’t have the hang time needed to avoid returns. When preseason games begin, we’ll see more to separate the two, but it looks like it’s the veteran’s job to lose.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 10:16:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SAMiller711r

Not sure if I'd take Kapernick. Might be the best of what's left. But I'm not sure he wants to play. Not sure if he can still play. Ssn Fran seemed to have some doubts back in the day. His last contract with them was really heavy in incentives showing that they weren't necessarily sold and lastly anywhere he went would immediately become a media circus. There would be a constant question of him supplanting Cousins. Too much distraction



I thought I heard the Browns signed Kaepernick...




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 10:33:39 AM)

Ugly. Maybe Zim knew what he was doing in this one case...

By contrast, Kellen Mond has struggled. He has thrown interceptions consistently, has operated with poor timing and checks down far too often, even during two-minute drills. When forced off-platform, his accuracy drops significantly and he often underthrows wide-open receivers. His play in the night scrimmage was worrisome, from an underthrown deep ball to Trishton Jackson to overthrows on the sideline to multiple receivers. The lowlight of the night was a bad pick to Cameron Dantzler near the sideline. Mond has yet to win a situational drill in camp.

Sean Mannion has not played well, but he has been a good deal more consistent than Mond, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the Vikings stuck with Mannion as the backup.

After Reed botched some snaps with Mond, it seemed like that possibility might have died — but then Mond continued fumbling snaps with Schlottmann. It will be difficult to evaluate Reed’s ability to hike the ball and get into his set if the quarterback isn’t capable of catching snaps. As it is, snapping errors are occurring much more often with Reed than Schlottmann, so it may be a combination of mistakes from the centers and Mond.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 10:35:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: SAMiller711r

Not sure if I'd take Kapernick. Might be the best of what's left. But I'm not sure he wants to play. Not sure if he can still play. Ssn Fran seemed to have some doubts back in the day. His last contract with them was really heavy in incentives showing that they weren't necessarily sold and lastly anywhere he went would immediately become a media circus. There would be a constant question of him supplanting Cousins. Too much distraction



I thought I heard the Browns signed Kaepernick...


It's just talk at this point.




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 11:15:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Ugly. Maybe Zim knew what he was doing in this one case...

By contrast, Kellen Mond has struggled. He has thrown interceptions consistently, has operated with poor timing and checks down far too often, even during two-minute drills. When forced off-platform, his accuracy drops significantly and he often underthrows wide-open receivers. His play in the night scrimmage was worrisome, from an underthrown deep ball to Trishton Jackson to overthrows on the sideline to multiple receivers. The lowlight of the night was a bad pick to Cameron Dantzler near the sideline. Mond has yet to win a situational drill in camp.

Sean Mannion has not played well, but he has been a good deal more consistent than Mond, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the Vikings stuck with Mannion as the backup.

After Reed botched some snaps with Mond, it seemed like that possibility might have died — but then Mond continued fumbling snaps with Schlottmann. It will be difficult to evaluate Reed’s ability to hike the ball and get into his set if the quarterback isn’t capable of catching snaps. As it is, snapping errors are occurring much more often with Reed than Schlottmann, so it may be a combination of mistakes from the centers and Mond.



Paul Charchian has been stating it loud and clear for anyone who'll listen. Mond is terrible and the entire league knows. We can't even trade him or package him in a trade for a backup QB at this point. He's going to be QB3 until his deal is up.

We need to bring in someone, anyone, who could win a couple of games if Cousins is out for 1-4 games.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 11:31:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Ugly. Maybe Zim knew what he was doing in this one case...

By contrast, Kellen Mond has struggled. He has thrown interceptions consistently, has operated with poor timing and checks down far too often, even during two-minute drills. When forced off-platform, his accuracy drops significantly and he often underthrows wide-open receivers. His play in the night scrimmage was worrisome, from an underthrown deep ball to Trishton Jackson to overthrows on the sideline to multiple receivers. The lowlight of the night was a bad pick to Cameron Dantzler near the sideline. Mond has yet to win a situational drill in camp.

Sean Mannion has not played well, but he has been a good deal more consistent than Mond, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the Vikings stuck with Mannion as the backup.

After Reed botched some snaps with Mond, it seemed like that possibility might have died — but then Mond continued fumbling snaps with Schlottmann. It will be difficult to evaluate Reed’s ability to hike the ball and get into his set if the quarterback isn’t capable of catching snaps. As it is, snapping errors are occurring much more often with Reed than Schlottmann, so it may be a combination of mistakes from the centers and Mond.



Paul Charchian has been stating it loud and clear for anyone who'll listen. Mond is terrible and the entire league knows. We can't even trade him or package him in a trade for a backup QB at this point. He's going to be QB3 until his deal is up.

We need to bring in someone, anyone, who could win a couple of games if Cousins is out for 1-4 games.


And Mannion is 30 years old and has thrown 110 passes in the NFL. That's roughly 3 games worth of play in 8 years.

There is no light that will go on with this guy.




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 1:42:26 PM)

Yea our backup is a season killer, from all this.

I hereby withdraw my support for Mond.

“It stands for ‘NOT FOR LONG’, buddy”




Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 1:48:47 PM)

Im trying to remember when Ive read such horrible reviews of a player on here - wow! Good thing our QB1 never misses a game




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 1:53:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Im trying to remember when Ive read such horrible reviews of a player on here - wow! Good thing our QB1 never misses a game


Never misses a game? [:-]




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 1:55:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Im trying to remember when Ive read such horrible reviews of a player on here - wow! Good thing our QB1 never misses a game


Until you jinxed him...




marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 2:12:26 PM)

Mannion sucks, and Mond looks worse than him, not a good sign. These two are probably slowing the development of, and probably also hurting the evaluation of the players they're playing with.

Bortles, McCarron, someone, there has to be a better backup QB out there.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/11/2022 2:33:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marty

Mannion sucks, and Mond looks worse than him, not a good sign. These two are probably slowing the development of, and probably also hurting the evaluation of the players they're playing with.

Bortles, McCarron, someone, there has to be a better backup QB out there.


McCarron was probably an even better choice given by Dan than Bortles.




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