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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Coming out of the bye week at 3-3 heading into the meat grinder portion of the schedule. It's not looking good. We've beat Detroit, Carolina, and Seattle. We've lost to Cincinnati, Arizona, and Cleveland.

The records of the teams we beat: 0-7, 3-4, 2-5

The records of the teams we lost to: 7-0, 4-3, 5-2



Nothing has changed. Zimmer beats up on the crap teams and loses to the good teams. We're the very definition of mediocre. I don't see it changing - ever.

We made a fg on one game and we win. Phantom fumble not called and we likely win that too..

We could be 5-1

Your conclusion is a bit broad.

Winners find ways to win those games. Losers find ways to lose them.

If two other plays go differently we could be 1-5.

Yep. That's pretty much always the case when somebody says...a couple of breaks go our way and we have a great record. They are usually also a couple of breaks from being even worse.

I call it "The Losers Lament"...

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Dustin Baker
@DustBaker
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The Vikings have been flagged for offensive holding 17 times in 6 games. This is the most offensive holding penalties in the NFL thru 7 weeks.

- ouch!

I wonder who has the fewest. Any guesses?

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=oh

A different kind of news:

The Vikings offensive line has produced its lowest sack% (3.6%) of all time throughout the first six games of the season, a stat dating back to 1970.

The line has only given up 9 sacks through 6 games, which is tied for the lowest in team history.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

The biggest thing right now for me with Zimmer is his disingenuous comment of we have to learn to step on opponents throats when we have the chance. When everything runs under his risk adverse umbrella...don't say we...

If he was running a fat camp he'd be the counselor sneaking midnight snacks and then saying we have to be more disciplined.

Very good post.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Coming out of the bye week at 3-3 heading into the meat grinder portion of the schedule. It's not looking good. We've beat Detroit, Carolina, and Seattle. We've lost to Cincinnati, Arizona, and Cleveland.

The records of the teams we beat: 0-7, 3-4, 2-5

The records of the teams we lost to: 7-0, 4-3, 5-2



Nothing has changed. Zimmer beats up on the crap teams and loses to the good teams. We're the very definition of mediocre. I don't see it changing - ever.

We made a fg on one game and we win. Phantom fumble not called and we likely win that too..

We could be 5-1

Your conclusion is a bit broad.

Winners find ways to win those games. Losers find ways to lose them.

If two other plays go differently we could be 1-5.

Yep. That's pretty much always the case when somebody says...a couple of breaks go our way and we have a great record. They are usually also a couple of breaks from being even worse.

I call it "The Losers Lament"...

I don't agree. It's just a positive way of looking at your team being better than what the record says ... for most. We did beat those teams. Just didn't score more points. Because the kick goes wide right doesn't mean our talent over all is worse than their talent -- except for the kicking game of course ;) -- and because an official on the field and in the booth can't get a fumble right doesn't mean we are not are not better than the opponent. Going forward we should know we are good enough to win against anyone we play, instead of not good enough because of one kick or a call that wasn't correct in spite of "their efforts" to get it right.

Looking at the team in one's own subjective way doesn't make one a loser. Just saying ...

If there was ever an up-for-grabs year it's this one!

#staypositive

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Green Bay missed three kicks vs Cincinnati and still won.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Coming out of the bye week at 3-3 heading into the meat grinder portion of the schedule. It's not looking good. We've beat Detroit, Carolina, and Seattle. We've lost to Cincinnati, Arizona, and Cleveland.

The records of the teams we beat: 0-7, 3-4, 2-5

The records of the teams we lost to: 7-0, 4-3, 5-2



Nothing has changed. Zimmer beats up on the crap teams and loses to the good teams. We're the very definition of mediocre. I don't see it changing - ever.

We made a fg on one game and we win. Phantom fumble not called and we likely win that too..

We could be 5-1

Your conclusion is a bit broad.

Winners find ways to win those games. Losers find ways to lose them.

If two other plays go differently we could be 1-5.

Yep. That's pretty much always the case when somebody says...a couple of breaks go our way and we have a great record. They are usually also a couple of breaks from being even worse.

I call it "The Losers Lament"...

I don't agree. It's just a positive way of looking at your team being better than what the record says ... for most. We did beat those teams. Just didn't score more points. Because the kick goes wide right doesn't mean our talent over all is worse than their talent -- except for the kicking game of course ;) -- and because an official on the field and in the booth can't get a fumble right doesn't mean we are not are not better than the opponent. Going forward we should know we are good enough to win against anyone we play, instead of not good enough because of one kick or a call that wasn't correct in spite of "their efforts" to get it right.

Looking at the team in one's own subjective way doesn't make one a loser. Just saying ...

If there was ever an up-for-grabs year it's this one!

#staypositive

Do you do the same thing in Vikings wins?

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

To be fair to Cousins, he has engineered 18 game winning drives over his career.

Which is far more than I realized. It puts him currently at #69 all time (for game winning drives). there are obviously a bazillion variables to that ...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

I haven't found current stats for game winning walk-off TDs ...

Someone called footballperspective.com has Cousins with 7 game winning TDs before 2020 ... did he throw any last season? I honestly can't remember. The NO playoff game and last weekend are the only 2 TDs I do remember ...

https://www.footballperspective.com/which-quarterback-has-thrown-the-most-game-winning-touchdowns-through-2019/

If no, he currently has 8 walk off TDs (incl CAR last weekend) which, again, is more than I have been giving him credit for.

.....

I dunno. Even watching him play really well this year ... it just feels like he is too risk-averse, too methodical ... taking what he can get over looking downfield for chunk plays.

Then again, 57-57-2 ... he gets way too much blame and credit ... but 57-57-2

There should be a stat "shoulda-been-game-winning-drive". I remember Daunte Culpepper leading us back for leads in the 4th quarter (sometimes multiple times anybody remember the Doug O'brien/Buffalo game?) many times, yet the defense would immediately piss the lead away. And Culpepper got the rep as a QB who couldn't rally a team.

Cousins has more game winning TDs than Two-minute Tommy but unless he does some damage in playoff games, I doubt he will ever reach that level of sentimental value for fans.

But I am biased, for my money he is just too blah.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

To be fair to Cousins, he has engineered 18 game winning drives over his career.

Which is far more than I realized. It puts him currently at #69 all time (for game winning drives). there are obviously a bazillion variables to that ...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

I haven't found current stats for game winning walk-off TDs ...

Someone called footballperspective.com has Cousins with 7 game winning TDs before 2020 ... did he throw any last season? I honestly can't remember. The NO playoff game and last weekend are the only 2 TDs I do remember ...

https://www.footballperspective.com/which-quarterback-has-thrown-the-most-game-winning-touchdowns-through-2019/

If no, he currently has 8 walk off TDs (incl CAR last weekend) which, again, is more than I have been giving him credit for.

.....

I dunno. Even watching him play really well this year ... it just feels like he is too risk-averse, too methodical ... taking what he can get over looking downfield for chunk plays.

Then again, 57-57-2 ... he gets way too much blame and credit ... but 57-57-2

There should be a stat "shoulda-been-game-winning-drive". I remember Daunte Culpepper leading us back for leads in the 4th quarter (sometimes multiple times anybody remember the Doug O'brien/Buffalo game?) many times, yet the defense would immediately piss the lead away. And Culpepper got the rep as a QB who couldn't rally a team.

Cousins has more game winning TDs than Two-minute Tommy but unless he does some damage in playoff games, I doubt he will ever reach that level of sentimental value for fans.

But I am biased, for my money he is just too blah.

There is one other option ... besides a SB ... that would completely alter my opinion of Cousins,

if he did this:

https://twitter.com/QuirkyResearch/status/1453343393493536768

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Green Bay missed three kicks vs Cincinnati and still won.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

To be fair to Cousins, he has engineered 18 game winning drives over his career.

Which is far more than I realized. It puts him currently at #69 all time (for game winning drives). there are obviously a bazillion variables to that ...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

I haven't found current stats for game winning walk-off TDs ...

Someone called footballperspective.com has Cousins with 7 game winning TDs before 2020 ... did he throw any last season? I honestly can't remember. The NO playoff game and last weekend are the only 2 TDs I do remember ...

https://www.footballperspective.com/which-quarterback-has-thrown-the-most-game-winning-touchdowns-through-2019/

If no, he currently has 8 walk off TDs (incl CAR last weekend) which, again, is more than I have been giving him credit for.

.....

I dunno. Even watching him play really well this year ... it just feels like he is too risk-averse, too methodical ... taking what he can get over looking downfield for chunk plays.

Then again, 57-57-2 ... he gets way too much blame and credit ... but 57-57-2

There should be a stat "shoulda-been-game-winning-drive". I remember Daunte Culpepper leading us back for leads in the 4th quarter (sometimes multiple times anybody remember the Doug O'brien/Buffalo game?) many times, yet the defense would immediately piss the lead away. And Culpepper got the rep as a QB who couldn't rally a team.

Cousins has more game winning TDs than Two-minute Tommy but unless he does some damage in playoff games, I doubt he will ever reach that level of sentimental value for fans.

But I am biased, for my money he is just too blah.

There is one other option ... besides a SB ... that would completely alter my opinion of Cousins,

if he did this:

https://twitter.com/QuirkyResearch/status/1453343393493536768

Any particular player you would like to see Cousins bean in the helmet after a touchdown?

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ORIGINAL: marty

Tom, would Kirk have to run in the winning TD, and then have a reputed dirty player go for his ankle after he's scored ?

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

To be fair to Cousins, he has engineered 18 game winning drives over his career.

Which is far more than I realized. It puts him currently at #69 all time (for game winning drives). there are obviously a bazillion variables to that ...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

I haven't found current stats for game winning walk-off TDs ...

Someone called footballperspective.com has Cousins with 7 game winning TDs before 2020 ... did he throw any last season? I honestly can't remember. The NO playoff game and last weekend are the only 2 TDs I do remember ...

https://www.footballperspective.com/which-quarterback-has-thrown-the-most-game-winning-touchdowns-through-2019/

If no, he currently has 8 walk off TDs (incl CAR last weekend) which, again, is more than I have been giving him credit for.

.....

I dunno. Even watching him play really well this year ... it just feels like he is too risk-averse, too methodical ... taking what he can get over looking downfield for chunk plays.

Then again, 57-57-2 ... he gets way too much blame and credit ... but 57-57-2

There should be a stat "shoulda-been-game-winning-drive". I remember Daunte Culpepper leading us back for leads in the 4th quarter (sometimes multiple times anybody remember the Doug O'brien/Buffalo game?) many times, yet the defense would immediately piss the lead away. And Culpepper got the rep as a QB who couldn't rally a team.

Cousins has more game winning TDs than Two-minute Tommy but unless he does some damage in playoff games, I doubt he will ever reach that level of sentimental value for fans.

But I am biased, for my money he is just too blah.

There is one other option ... besides a SB ... that would completely alter my opinion of Cousins,

if he did this:

https://twitter.com/QuirkyResearch/status/1453343393493536768

Any particular player you would like to see Cousins bean in the helmet after a touchdown?

Mike Zimmer or Rick Spielman…

Yea, not players.. but ..

EPIC!

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

To be fair to Cousins, he has engineered 18 game winning drives over his career.

Which is far more than I realized. It puts him currently at #69 all time (for game winning drives). there are obviously a bazillion variables to that ...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

I haven't found current stats for game winning walk-off TDs ...

Someone called footballperspective.com has Cousins with 7 game winning TDs before 2020 ... did he throw any last season? I honestly can't remember. The NO playoff game and last weekend are the only 2 TDs I do remember ...

https://www.footballperspective.com/which-quarterback-has-thrown-the-most-game-winning-touchdowns-through-2019/

If no, he currently has 8 walk off TDs (incl CAR last weekend) which, again, is more than I have been giving him credit for.

.....

I dunno. Even watching him play really well this year ... it just feels like he is too risk-averse, too methodical ... taking what he can get over looking downfield for chunk plays.

Then again, 57-57-2 ... he gets way too much blame and credit ... but 57-57-2

There should be a stat "shoulda-been-game-winning-drive". I remember Daunte Culpepper leading us back for leads in the 4th quarter (sometimes multiple times anybody remember the Doug O'brien/Buffalo game?) many times, yet the defense would immediately piss the lead away. And Culpepper got the rep as a QB who couldn't rally a team.

Cousins has more game winning TDs than Two-minute Tommy but unless he does some damage in playoff games, I doubt he will ever reach that level of sentimental value for fans.

But I am biased, for my money he is just too blah.

There is one other option ... besides a SB ... that would completely alter my opinion of Cousins,

if he did this:

https://twitter.com/QuirkyResearch/status/1453343393493536768

Any particular player you would like to see Cousins bean in the helmet after a touchdown?

Mike Zimmer or Rick Spielman…

Yea, not players.. but ..

EPIC!

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

To be fair to Cousins, he has engineered 18 game winning drives over his career.

Which is far more than I realized. It puts him currently at #69 all time (for game winning drives). there are obviously a bazillion variables to that ...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

I haven't found current stats for game winning walk-off TDs ...

Someone called footballperspective.com has Cousins with 7 game winning TDs before 2020 ... did he throw any last season? I honestly can't remember. The NO playoff game and last weekend are the only 2 TDs I do remember ...

https://www.footballperspective.com/which-quarterback-has-thrown-the-most-game-winning-touchdowns-through-2019/

If no, he currently has 8 walk off TDs (incl CAR last weekend) which, again, is more than I have been giving him credit for.

.....

I dunno. Even watching him play really well this year ... it just feels like he is too risk-averse, too methodical ... taking what he can get over looking downfield for chunk plays.

Then again, 57-57-2 ... he gets way too much blame and credit ... but 57-57-2

There should be a stat "shoulda-been-game-winning-drive". I remember Daunte Culpepper leading us back for leads in the 4th quarter (sometimes multiple times anybody remember the Doug O'brien/Buffalo game?) many times, yet the defense would immediately piss the lead away. And Culpepper got the rep as a QB who couldn't rally a team.

Cousins has more game winning TDs than Two-minute Tommy but unless he does some damage in playoff games, I doubt he will ever reach that level of sentimental value for fans.

But I am biased, for my money he is just too blah.

There is one other option ... besides a SB ... that would completely alter my opinion of Cousins,

if he did this:

https://twitter.com/QuirkyResearch/status/1453343393493536768

Any particular player you would like to see Cousins bean in the helmet after a touchdown?

Mike Zimmer or Rick Spielman…

Yea, not players.. but ..

EPIC!

Classic!!!

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
1h
So rookie running back Kene Nwangwu will return kickoffs Sunday, becoming the third guy to do it this season for the #Vikings. Ihmir Smith-Marsette started out doing it before suffering a toe injury, followed by Ameer Abdullah, who has since been released & is now with Carolina

————

I have an out of proprtion curiosity to see what Nwangwu looks like … even if he’s just raising his arms to signal touchback. I mean, hopefully more than that but I didnt expect to see him on the field at all this year …

He’s still on my draft enigma list.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
1h
So rookie running back Kene Nwangwu will return kickoffs Sunday, becoming the third guy to do it this season for the #Vikings. Ihmir Smith-Marsette started out doing it before suffering a toe injury, followed by Ameer Abdullah, who has since been released & is now with Carolina

————

I have an out of proprtion curiosity to see what Nwangwu looks like … even if he’s just raising his arms to signal touchback. I mean, hopefully more than that but I didnt expect to see him on the field at all this year …

He’s still on my draft enigma list.

Can't be too much of an enigma with 4.32 speed. Watch his interview, and I guess you'll begin to warm up to him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tbOyf7bNIE

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
1h
So rookie running back Kene Nwangwu will return kickoffs Sunday, becoming the third guy to do it this season for the #Vikings. Ihmir Smith-Marsette started out doing it before suffering a toe injury, followed by Ameer Abdullah, who has since been released & is now with Carolina

————

I have an out of proprtion curiosity to see what Nwangwu looks like … even if he’s just raising his arms to signal touchback. I mean, hopefully more than that but I didnt expect to see him on the field at all this year …

He’s still on my draft enigma list.

Can't be too much of an enigma with 4.32 speed. Watch his interview, and I guess you'll begin to warm up to him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tbOyf7bNIE

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
1h
So rookie running back Kene Nwangwu will return kickoffs Sunday, becoming the third guy to do it this season for the #Vikings. Ihmir Smith-Marsette started out doing it before suffering a toe injury, followed by Ameer Abdullah, who has since been released & is now with Carolina

————

I have an out of proprtion curiosity to see what Nwangwu looks like … even if he’s just raising his arms to signal touchback. I mean, hopefully more than that but I didnt expect to see him on the field at all this year …

He’s still on my draft enigma list.

Can't be too much of an enigma with 4.32 speed. Watch his interview, and I guess you'll begin to warm up to him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tbOyf7bNIE

I'm very very skeptical. At least for anything than a KR.

Hope I make a fool of myself again with this but ... he just looks like a track guy to me.

Drafted too high. Seems like a Böhringer pick.

Will he do more than KRs? I don't see it at RB. Maybe other ST roles while he develops ...

missing preseason/IR didn't help his development.

I'll be hoping for the best but expecting the mediocrest.

Definitely seems like a good kid ... I'd rather see him running into the endzone bonking people in the back of the head with the football.