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Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/10/2021 1:33:41 PM)
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I posed the question last night and I pose it again. Should/could we trade our #1 pick for Justin Tucker?
the KICKER?
**** NO
Honestly, I'm not sure Baltimore would do it.
If you are patient with the young kicker you can draft one with a 6-7th round pick.
I wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on one. So why would i give one up in trade for one? and yes the Ravens would do it. A First round pick for a Kicker? They'd do it in a heartbeat.
The guy is a cold-blooded assassin. We'd have three more wins right now with Tucker. Name me another guy in the league (not playing quarterback) that wins you three games.
Greg Joseph has missed extra points in each of the past three games. Justin Tucker has missed four in his entire 10-year career.
It's as simple as this.
HE IS A KICKER.
HE IS NOT WORTH A FIRST ROUND PICK.
Again, I pose the question. Name me a few guys (not playing quarterback) that win you three games a year?
Lots of kickers would have given this team those 3 wins this year.
It's easy in a vacuum to say trade a first for Tucker.
I pose this back to you... do you trade Jefferson for Tucker... cause that is what you COULD be trading away.
And that's why I don't make this trade.
Daniel Carlson would have gotten us those 3 extra wins... we had him on the team... without trading a first.
A "3 win" kicker can be obtained without paying a first... and that is how you build a champion... managing resources effectively.
Fist off, I disagree with your premise. Jefferson was a great pick, but was by no means a guarantee at the time. We also drafted Laquan Treadwell, Cordarrelle Patterson, Percy Harvin and Troy Williamson with first round picks. Would I take Tucker over Jefferson? No. But I'd take him over any of the other ones.
Daniel Carlson has had one good season. Tucker has had 10. The only other kicker I'd give a first for would be Harrison Butker, but I would likely offer a second. Butker is intriguing. He's only 26, while Tucker is 32.
The 1st part of the premise was that a 1st round pick has Jefferson potential... that is fact.
The 2nd part of the premise is you can get those "3 wins" in the context of this year by not mismanaging your kicking situation... without the expense of a 1st rounder.
Bad drafting doesn't make me want to use a 1st rounder trading for a kicker... it makes me want to replace those in charge of drafting.
Trading a first for a kicker just masks bigger problems... that you can't do what 1/2 the teams in the league have done... get solid kicking with minimal investment.
You think Belichek trades a 1st for Tucker... umm... no.
(interesting discussion btw)
I'm not as sure as you that it was bad drafting. A lot of other teams have missed on first round wide receivers over the years. The hit rate isn't as high as you would think. Conversely, Justin Tucker is as close to a guarantee as it gets when it comes to kickers. At $5-million a year, not only is it a bargain for a first round pick but it gives you potential cap space down the road.
A proven commodity at $5-million will always rank higher than a prospective talent, in my book. There's almost no risk involved whatsoever. The only risk involved is the criticism you'd take when making the move. When he buries a 56-yarder to win a big game, it all goes away.
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