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Tom Sykes -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 12:32:19 PM)
I don't even know why we are still talking about Harbaugh. He's not 'the one that got away' if he wasn't a real option to begin with. With no clue about what happened in the interview, its ironic that our conversation is centered on analytics.

Steve Lentz -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 12:33:43 PM)
Harbaugh wanted the job. He wanted to try the NFL one more time. He stated it frequently. Minnesota chose to go another direction. I leaned to Harbaugh , but WTH do I know? After the interview Harbaugh stated he called the Michigan Athletic Director and asked him if he wanted him to be the Head Coach of Michigan. The answer was 100% Harbaugh told them that his discussion with the Vikes was a one-time thing and would not be a reoccurring theme every year.

jbusse -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 12:37:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens I think the angst and teeth gnashing over the Vikings not hiring Harbaugh is getting as over the top as Brad's objections to him. You guys are really engaging in an incredible amount of speculation. How much he was asking for...did he even bring up money...how well would he have coached a completely different roster with a different organization...he would have assembled a staff of assistants who should all be head coaches themselves... Come on people, you don't know any of this. Kwesi's supposed to be all about analytics. What kind of analytics model favors O'Connell over Harbaugh? Past success is an excellent predictor of future success for NFL coaches. New head coaches are a mixed bag. I think this is more confusion about analytics. Analytics is not looking at boxscores, overall record, number of TDs thrown, etc. That's shit everyone knows and all you need is a newspaper or profootballreference.com to get your "data". Analytics is trying to explain things that aren't so quantifiable. It's not "what happened?" it's "why did it happen?" and "how can I make this happen more regularly?". Make no mistake, I'm not confused about analytics. Analytics doesn't ignore important quantifiable relationships, such as the relationship between past and future head coaching success, even if it is "shit everyone knows". And I'm pretty sure KAM is fully aware of Harbaugh's past record. As such, pretty easy to see that the Vikings did not use analytics to choose O'Connell over Harbaugh based on expected future wins and losses. Going with culture, personality, etc., i.e., hard to measure criteria that would be difficult to correlate with NFL wins, is pretty much anti-analytics. Win/loss record is probably the most "anti-analytics" thing there is. It's not anti-analytics, much less "the most anti-analytics".

bohumm -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 1:31:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens I think the angst and teeth gnashing over the Vikings not hiring Harbaugh is getting as over the top as Brad's objections to him. You guys are really engaging in an incredible amount of speculation. How much he was asking for...did he even bring up money...how well would he have coached a completely different roster with a different organization...he would have assembled a staff of assistants who should all be head coaches themselves... Come on people, you don't know any of this. Kwesi's supposed to be all about analytics. What kind of analytics model favors O'Connell over Harbaugh? Past success is an excellent predictor of future success for NFL coaches. New head coaches are a mixed bag. Analytics is information, and if it emerged through the interview that there was misalignment between Harbaugh and the leadership of the team, those are data points that trump any number you could throw out there. From a great distance and with extremely limited information, I find the process the team went through to hire a coach VERY encouraging, from the initial interviews before Kwesi to the expansion of the list once he came on board to the flexibility and fluidity of the interviews with the finalists.

Tom Sykes -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 1:48:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Harbaugh wanted the job. He wanted to try the NFL one more time. He stated it frequently. Minnesota chose to go another direction. I leaned to Harbaugh , but WTH do I know? After the interview Harbaugh stated he called the Michigan Athletic Director and asked him if he wanted him to be the Head Coach of Michigan. The answer was 100% Harbaugh told them that his discussion with the Vikes was a one-time thing and would not be a reoccurring theme every year. We know he had/has interest in the nfl. We know he was interested in the job. And we had interest him him. Neither side is going to say the other party was rejected or we wanted them but they didn’t want us. It could have been mutual as well. We don’t know.

thebigo -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 1:51:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young I highly doubt “ they turned down Harbaugh at a reasonable rate”.. I think Harbaugh was using the Vikings as leverage for his contract quibble with UofM… It was an all day type interview.. I’m pretty sure that many things were discussed, and I’m equally as sure that there were issues that raised red flags, what those issues were, we will never know.. Never seen so much butthurt over not getting a particular coach..not so much here, but.. There’s a whole sub on Reddit of butthurt whiners gnashing their teeth and cursing the ownership and wanting KAM fired, already.. Unbelievable, how single minded and petty those people can be. It’s not the end of the world… If we can survive Tice, Childress, and Frazier, and the Zimmerball era, we will be ok without Harbaugh. People are already calling the off season a “bust”.. Yeesh. Being "OK" is good enough?

thebigo -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 1:56:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: joejitsu quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson JJ should be happy with this hire. KOC designs all the plays that the Rams run. Kupp keeps getting open with all the extra attention he receives. JJ was always open this year too. We need KOC to force Cousins to throw to him more... EXACTLY! We could have the second coming of the greatest show on turf in the playbook. If your qb can’t pull the trigger, it’s a futile effort. Good point, DL and Joe. The targets were 191 to 167. 24 more targets for Kupp. Need to get JJ into 185-200 range. The JJ ratio.

Steve Lentz -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 2:04:09 PM)
Per NFL.Com Harbaugh stated " I'm gonna have 100% conviction on this, and if they (Minnesota) have 100 percent conviction on this, then it's something I'm gonna do".

Tom Sykes -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 2:10:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Per NFL.Com Harbaugh stated " I'm gonna have 100% conviction on this, and if they (Minnesota) have 100 percent conviction on this, then it's something I'm gonna do". I posted a link to the full interview earlier. Again, I think Harbaugh was clearly 100% interested going in … that doesn’t mean unconditionally, regardless of what the vikings envisioned or were offering. From both parties.

David Levine -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 2:12:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Per NFL.Com Harbaugh stated " I'm gonna have 100% conviction on this, and if they (Minnesota) have 100 percent conviction on this, then it's something I'm gonna do". So basically if the Vikings vision exactly matched his (and vice-versa), he was going to take the job.

Steve Lentz -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 2:25:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Per NFL.Com Harbaugh stated " I'm gonna have 100% conviction on this, and if they (Minnesota) have 100 percent conviction on this, then it's something I'm gonna do". So basically if the Vikings vision exactly matched his (and vice-versa), he was going to take the job. Seems that way. The Vikings vision was apparently different.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 3:07:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young I highly doubt “ they turned down Harbaugh at a reasonable rate”.. I think Harbaugh was using the Vikings as leverage for his contract quibble with UofM… It was an all day type interview.. I’m pretty sure that many things were discussed, and I’m equally as sure that there were issues that raised red flags, what those issues were, we will never know.. Never seen so much butthurt over not getting a particular coach..not so much here, but.. There’s a whole sub on Reddit of butthurt whiners gnashing their teeth and cursing the ownership and wanting KAM fired, already.. Unbelievable, how single minded and petty those people can be. It’s not the end of the world… If we can survive Tice, Childress, and Frazier, and the Zimmerball era, we will be ok without Harbaugh. People are already calling the off season a “bust”.. Yeesh. Being "OK" is good enough? Being ok without Jim “butthurt for not being hired” Harbaugh is Ok.. Being ok with anything is a difficult path for me so I take what I can get, and move on..

thebigo -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 5:49:25 PM)
Maybe we should deep six the KOC initials/abbreviation for our new HC. Who doesn't prefer KO to KOC?

thebigo -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 5:50:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young I highly doubt “ they turned down Harbaugh at a reasonable rate”.. I think Harbaugh was using the Vikings as leverage for his contract quibble with UofM… It was an all day type interview.. I’m pretty sure that many things were discussed, and I’m equally as sure that there were issues that raised red flags, what those issues were, we will never know.. Never seen so much butthurt over not getting a particular coach..not so much here, but.. There’s a whole sub on Reddit of butthurt whiners gnashing their teeth and cursing the ownership and wanting KAM fired, already.. Unbelievable, how single minded and petty those people can be. It’s not the end of the world… If we can survive Tice, Childress, and Frazier, and the Zimmerball era, we will be ok without Harbaugh. People are already calling the off season a “bust”.. Yeesh. Being "OK" is good enough? Being ok without Jim “butthurt for not being hired” Harbaugh is Ok.. Being ok with anything is a difficult path for me so I take what I can get, and move on.. I'm OK wit dat.

Todd M -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 5:52:47 PM)
KO. KO offense

thebigo -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 5:54:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Per NFL.Com Harbaugh stated " I'm gonna have 100% conviction on this, and if they (Minnesota) have 100 percent conviction on this, then it's something I'm gonna do". So basically if the Vikings vision exactly matched his (and vice-versa), he was going to take the job. Maybe, I read it more like I'm 100% sold on the Vikings, if they are 100% sold on me, then I'm their man.

thebigo -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 5:54:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M KO. KO offense KOO?

Todd M -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 5:56:37 PM)
KOO with Kirk.

marty -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 6:46:45 PM)
There are so many name abbreviations getting used, it can get a little hard to read if you don't immediately know to whom the abbreviation is referring. KAM - Kick Ass Minnesota KC - Kansas City KO - Knock Out Etc ....

Hats4Bats -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 8:59:58 PM)
Mike Pettine --Vikings Territory UFFda Sports Ex-Packers Coach in the Mix for Vikings Defensive Coordinator Mike Pettine Presumptive Minnesota Vikings head coach Kevin O’Connell will make a behemoth of a choice for defensive coordinator in the next couple of weeks. By trade, O’Connell is an offense guy, so the man or woman he chooses to run his defense will largely be in charge of that side of the ball. Think Mike Zimmer with his array of offensive coordinators over the years. Zimmer took care of the defense personally; the same should be the case for O’Connell and the 2022 Vikings offense. And a name that entered the fold on Thursday was a veteran defensive coordinator with plenty of experience – Mike Pettine. Pettine has a fairly commendable defensive resume. His defenses have encountered doldrums here and there, but that often happens to journeyman coordinators. Pettine’s magnum opus – believe it or not – was his first season as a defensive coordinator with the New York Jets. Per EPA/Play, his Jets defense topped the NFL in 2009 en route to the AFC Championship. For context, it was the Mark Sanchez era. Here’s a look at Pettine’s resume per defensive efficiency: Mike Pettine Team Defense, NFL Ranking, Per EPA/Play: 2020 (GB) = 12th 2019 (GB) = 12th 2018 (GB) = 24th 2015 (CLE) = 31st 2014 (CLE) = 11th 2013 (BUF) = 6th 2012 (NYJ) = 14th 2011 (NYJ) = 4th 2010 (NYJ) = 6th 2009 (NYJ) = 1st From Jason LaCanfora With it all-but official that Kevin O’Connell will become the next head coach of the Vikings, there is a growing sense that his first defensive coordinator is soon to be named. CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora tweets that Mike Pettine is the “likely” hire as DC.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 9:13:06 PM)
Mike Pettine? Yuck! And the new head coach didn't even call any plays? This seems very Viking-like.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 9:52:59 PM)
So I guess I should consider you one of the “ off season is a bust” so far with just a GM in actual place?

thebigo -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 10:23:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M KOO with Kirk. KOOK

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/4/2022 11:24:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young So I guess I should consider you one of the “ off season is a bust” so far with just a GM in actual place? It may or may not work out. But so far it doesn't look good. I like that the new coach is young and has an offensive mind. I don't like that he wasn't good enough to call the plays. I very much dislike choosing Pettine for DC. Although hes probably an improvement over Zimmer. Yeah I'm skeptical of a team that always gets it wrong.

marty -> RE: Our New Head Coach (2/5/2022 7:06:43 AM)
Pettine's defense was better than Capers, but it always seemed to give up the big play, especially in the playoffs. The GB seemed better this last season, and played well in the post season, I am guessing that is due to Joe Barry, along with Kenny Clark and a few others. I wish someone would have snatched up Joe Barry for HC.

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