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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think we should be risk averse if we want to put something solid together for a 2 year shot at it. If you didn't really have a need at CB you take a chance if he falls to you. I don't think him 'falling ' to us at 12 should get us ready to jump.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think we should be risk averse if we want to put something solid together for a 2 year shot at it. If you didn't really have a need at CB you take a chance if he falls to you. I don't think him 'falling ' to us at 12 should get us ready to jump.

CB is a massive need, unless you are fine with Dantzler and two vacancies at the end of the year in the middle of this "2 year shot at it".

Our top three CBs will be paid about $7 million TOTAL this year. What's that adage about getting what you paid for?

Would you not run to the podium if Sauce Gardner fell to #12?

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Nfl.com(Lance Zierlein) has drafting grades for all the prospects.

Gardner 6.72 (Day 1 starter)

McDuffie 6.7 (day 1 starter)

Stingley 6.5 (boom or bust) because of injury history

8.0 is a perfect rating.

Is Zierlein the end all, end all of evaluators? Not sure.

Watching some McDuffie highlights. He's starting to grow on me.

i don't take stingley on the first day of the draft...the NFL has a 17 game season, plus playoffs, i don't trust him physically....

we can't afford to take risks this draft - let's draft solid players with no injury history....

by the time stingley plays his first NFL game he will have played in 10 games over 32 months, and none for 12 months - far removed from his stellar play as a freshman in 2019....

if I'm picking stingley, he's the 2nd cb I've picked in the draft....

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think we should be risk averse if we want to put something solid together for a 2 year shot at it. If you didn't really have a need at CB you take a chance if he falls to you. I don't think him 'falling ' to us at 12 should get us ready to jump.

CB is a massive need, unless you are fine with Dantzler and two vacancies at the end of the year in the middle of this "2 year shot at it".

Our top three CBs will be paid about $7 million TOTAL this year. What's that adage about getting what you paid for?

Would you not run to the podium if Sauce Gardner fell to #12?

We need a CB with one of our 1st two picks.

Gardner and Stingley are no brainers at #12.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think we should be risk averse if we want to put something solid together for a 2 year shot at it. If you didn't really have a need at CB you take a chance if he falls to you. I don't think him 'falling ' to us at 12 should get us ready to jump.

CB is a massive need, unless you are fine with Dantzler and two vacancies at the end of the year in the middle of this "2 year shot at it".

Our top three CBs will be paid about $7 million TOTAL this year. What's that adage about getting what you paid for?

Would you not run to the podium if Sauce Gardner fell to #12?

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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So, I heard that our new DB coach Was also the DB coach at LSU, and Patrick Peterson is from LSU… So the feeling is that if he’s available at number 12 Stingley is Our man.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

DRAFT THEME 2020: Get big and fat as all get-out

Roster Imperatives

1) CB – Obviously our biggest need. Compounded by needing more than one. Specifically, an outside player with speed and athleticism to offset slow cagey Peterson.
2) C – A violent burly mammoth who uses mass and power to win battles, not just a user of leverage and a shuffler of feet; just once I'd like to have someone better at standing their ground than squirting out and pestering LBs.
3) CB – Versatile outside /inside player to push Sullivan and keep Dantzler off the field tweeting.

Roster Needs (current, not down the road)

NT – A powerful blubberous immovable one-dimensional run stuffer for short yardage, goal line.
S – Rangy free safety to compete with Bynum, give us a chance to move on from Smith, sooner than later.
TE – Big and heavy with big and heavy hands for the red zone / short yardage, and to bump 6'7" punter-bodied Davidson off the roster.
WR – What we don’t have is a hefty (not skinny) big bodied WR with some physicality, catch radius and vertical.
ILB – Beefy tone setting blocker-stacker to back-up our small ILBs and skinny back-ups

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ORIGINAL: lyle chabot

The interesting thing about this draft is for the first time in a few years there is no consensus #1 draft pick it makes the draft more interesting. This draft for the new regime is very important I hope they hit on the first 4 rounds, I know it is asking a lot. I believe we will focus mostly on D.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

DRAFT THEME 2020: Get big and fat as all get-out

Roster Imperatives

1) CB – Obviously our biggest need. Compounded by needing more than one. Specifically, an outside player with speed and athleticism to offset slow cagey Peterson.
2) C – A violent burly mammoth who uses mass and power to win battles, not just a user of leverage and a shuffler of feet; just once I'd like to have someone better at standing their ground than squirting out and pestering LBs.
3) CB – Versatile outside /inside player to push Sullivan and keep Dantzler off the field tweeting.

Roster Needs (current, not down the road)

NT – A powerful blubberous immovable one-dimensional run stuffer for short yardage, goal line.
S – Rangy free safety to compete with Bynum, give us a chance to move on from Smith, sooner than later.
TE – Big and heavy with big and heavy hands for the red zone / short yardage, and to bump 6'7" punter-bodied Davidson off the roster.
WR – What we don’t have is a hefty (not skinny) big bodied WR with some physicality, catch radius and vertical.
ILB – Beefy tone setting blocker-stacker to back-up our small ILBs and skinny back-ups

Nice job on bolding certain attributes. But I think Kwesi likes svelte. He love svelte. Wishes it were basketball. He sees big and heavy as undisciplined, even a heathen lifestyle. He got rid of our ONLY blubberous player (Pierce). Phillips, the initial signed heavy, is a compact sort. ACL Taylor has a mystery weight. Hicks looks trim at ILB. Sullivan could use a steak dinner. On offense, Mundt is a bit light in the pants. And the OL guys are certainly not big city fire hydrants.

- Davis at 12 to platoon with Tomlinson initially or a top CB. Read Sauce has been known to allow "slivers of sunshine" between himself and the receiver [;)]
- At least one of the second tier CBs might be around in the 2nd, food for thought.
- Center, agree on mass. Birk was 320 lbs a generation ago, let's move the needle a touch to 330.

Good point on WR.

Some article said Smith's contract is structured to suggest this is his last year in Minny. Don't know if that's valid, but if so S could end up being at the top of all-time 'Most Barren Position'.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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considering the contracts that are being doled out at wr i think that kwesi is going in that direction with the draft....

trade back a little for another 2nd day pick - wr/cb (whichever is better) - cb/wr - wr/cb - cb/wr....

our first four picks this year are two wr's and two cb's....

wr contracts are becoming qb-lite....

jefferson, although we love him, he's going to ask for the moon next season...we're going to need a couple of young players to help us evaluate our situation - do we keep jefferson, or trade him and go with who we've got, and the younger dudes we drafted in '22?.....

next year with go with qb/edge....

pff has us picking #20 in 2023 - which means we make the playoffs....

vegas has us at 8.5 over/under - over would seem like a good bet IMO....

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

DRAFT THEME 2020: Get big and fat as all get-out

Roster Imperatives

1) CB – Obviously our biggest need. Compounded by needing more than one. Specifically, an outside player with speed and athleticism to offset slow cagey Peterson.
2) C – A violent burly mammoth who uses mass and power to win battles, not just a user of leverage and a shuffler of feet; just once I'd like to have someone better at standing their ground than squirting out and pestering LBs.
3) CB – Versatile outside /inside player to push Sullivan and keep Dantzler off the field tweeting.

Roster Needs (current, not down the road)

NT – A powerful blubberous immovable one-dimensional run stuffer for short yardage, goal line.
S – Rangy free safety to compete with Bynum, give us a chance to move on from Smith, sooner than later.
TE – Big and heavy with big and heavy hands for the red zone / short yardage, and to bump 6'7" punter-bodied Davidson off the roster.
WR – What we don’t have is a hefty (not skinny) big bodied WR with some physicality, catch radius and vertical.
ILB – Beefy tone setting blocker-stacker to back-up our small ILBs and skinny back-ups

Nice job on bolding certain attributes. But I think Kwesi likes svelte. He love svelte. Wishes it were basketball. He sees big and heavy as undisciplined, even a heathen lifestyle. He got rid of our ONLY blubberous player (Pierce). Phillips, the initial signed heavy, is a compact sort. ACL Taylor has a mystery weight. Hicks looks trim at ILB. Sullivan could use a steak dinner. On offense, Mundt is a bit light in the pants. And the OL guys are certainly not big city fire hydrants.

- Davis at 12 to platoon with Tomlinson initially or a top CB. Read Sauce has been known to allow "slivers of sunshine" between himself and the receiver [;)]
- At least one of the second tier CBs might be around in the 2nd, food for thought.
- Center, agree on mass. Birk was 320 lbs a generation ago, let's move the needle a touch to 330.

Good point on WR.

Some article said Smith's contract is structured to suggest this is his last year in Minny. Don't know if that's valid, but if so S could end up being at the top of all-time 'Most Barren Position'.

Word from the combine was, Kwesi’s interviews were focused on kale-based recipes and proper bowell cleansing, so I see your point. Find the prospect with the least hair on their back and shoulders, that’ll be my draft challenge entry #1.

In a perfect world, we’d be looking at the girthiest waddlers in the 3 Cone. Not with this regime.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

DRAFT THEME 2020: Get big and fat as all get-out

Roster Imperatives

1) CB – Obviously our biggest need. Compounded by needing more than one. Specifically, an outside player with speed and athleticism to offset slow cagey Peterson.
2) C – A violent burly mammoth who uses mass and power to win battles, not just a user of leverage and a shuffler of feet; just once I'd like to have someone better at standing their ground than squirting out and pestering LBs.
3) CB – Versatile outside /inside player to push Sullivan and keep Dantzler off the field tweeting.

Roster Needs (current, not down the road)

NT – A powerful blubberous immovable one-dimensional run stuffer for short yardage, goal line.
S – Rangy free safety to compete with Bynum, give us a chance to move on from Smith, sooner than later.
TE – Big and heavy with big and heavy hands for the red zone / short yardage, and to bump 6'7" punter-bodied Davidson off the roster.
WR – What we don’t have is a hefty (not skinny) big bodied WR with some physicality, catch radius and vertical.
ILB – Beefy tone setting blocker-stacker to back-up our small ILBs and skinny back-ups

Nice job on bolding certain attributes. But I think Kwesi likes svelte. He love svelte. Wishes it were basketball. He sees big and heavy as undisciplined, even a heathen lifestyle. He got rid of our ONLY blubberous player (Pierce). Phillips, the initial signed heavy, is a compact sort. ACL Taylor has a mystery weight. Hicks looks trim at ILB. Sullivan could use a steak dinner. On offense, Mundt is a bit light in the pants. And the OL guys are certainly not big city fire hydrants.

- Davis at 12 to platoon with Tomlinson initially or a top CB. Read Sauce has been known to allow "slivers of sunshine" between himself and the receiver [;)]
- At least one of the second tier CBs might be around in the 2nd, food for thought.
- Center, agree on mass. Birk was 320 lbs a generation ago, let's move the needle a touch to 330.

Good point on WR.

Some article said Smith's contract is structured to suggest this is his last year in Minny. Don't know if that's valid, but if so S could end up being at the top of all-time 'Most Barren Position'.

Word from the combine was, Kwesi’s interviews were focused on kale-based recipes and proper bowell cleansing, so I see your point. Find the prospect with the least hair on their back and shoulders, that’ll be my draft challenge entry #1.

In a perfect world, we’d be looking at the girthiest waddlers in the 3 Cone. Not with this regime.

Speaking of bowel cleansing, per SNL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku42Iszh9KM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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So, I heard that our new DB coach Was also the DB coach at LSU, and Patrick Peterson is from LSU… So the feeling is that if he’s available at number 12 Stingley is Our man.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

DRAFT THEME 2020: Get big and fat as all get-out

Roster Imperatives

1) CB – Obviously our biggest need. Compounded by needing more than one. Specifically, an outside player with speed and athleticism to offset slow cagey Peterson.
2) C – A violent burly mammoth who uses mass and power to win battles, not just a user of leverage and a shuffler of feet; just once I'd like to have someone better at standing their ground than squirting out and pestering LBs.
3) CB – Versatile outside /inside player to push Sullivan and keep Dantzler off the field tweeting.

Roster Needs (current, not down the road)

NT – A powerful blubberous immovable one-dimensional run stuffer for short yardage, goal line.
S – Rangy free safety to compete with Bynum, give us a chance to move on from Smith, sooner than later.
TE – Big and heavy with big and heavy hands for the red zone / short yardage, and to bump 6'7" punter-bodied Davidson off the roster.
WR – What we don’t have is a hefty (not skinny) big bodied WR with some physicality, catch radius and vertical.
ILB – Beefy tone setting blocker-stacker to back-up our small ILBs and skinny back-ups

Nice job on bolding certain attributes. But I think Kwesi likes svelte. He love svelte. Wishes it were basketball. He sees big and heavy as undisciplined, even a heathen lifestyle. He got rid of our ONLY blubberous player (Pierce). Phillips, the initial signed heavy, is a compact sort. ACL Taylor has a mystery weight. Hicks looks trim at ILB. Sullivan could use a steak dinner. On offense, Mundt is a bit light in the pants. And the OL guys are certainly not big city fire hydrants.

- Davis at 12 to platoon with Tomlinson initially or a top CB. Read Sauce has been known to allow "slivers of sunshine" between himself and the receiver [;)]
- At least one of the second tier CBs might be around in the 2nd, food for thought.
- Center, agree on mass. Birk was 320 lbs a generation ago, let's move the needle a touch to 330.

Good point on WR.

Some article said Smith's contract is structured to suggest this is his last year in Minny. Don't know if that's valid, but if so S could end up being at the top of all-time 'Most Barren Position'.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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So, I heard that our new DB coach Was also the DB coach at LSU, and Patrick Peterson is from LSU… So the feeling is that if he’s available at number 12 Stingley is Our man.

Or he won't be do to inside information. His footwork and ball skills are excellent but he avoids contact so much it would Deion Sanders blush.

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ORIGINAL: bongbong

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

DRAFT THEME 2020: Get big and fat as all get-out

Roster Imperatives

1) CB – Obviously our biggest need. Compounded by needing more than one. Specifically, an outside player with speed and athleticism to offset slow cagey Peterson.
2) C – A violent burly mammoth who uses mass and power to win battles, not just a user of leverage and a shuffler of feet; just once I'd like to have someone better at standing their ground than squirting out and pestering LBs.
3) CB – Versatile outside /inside player to push Sullivan and keep Dantzler off the field tweeting.

Roster Needs (current, not down the road)

NT – A powerful blubberous immovable one-dimensional run stuffer for short yardage, goal line.
S – Rangy free safety to compete with Bynum, give us a chance to move on from Smith, sooner than later.
TE – Big and heavy with big and heavy hands for the red zone / short yardage, and to bump 6'7" punter-bodied Davidson off the roster.
WR – What we don’t have is a hefty (not skinny) big bodied WR with some physicality, catch radius and vertical.
ILB – Beefy tone setting blocker-stacker to back-up our small ILBs and skinny back-ups

Nice job on bolding certain attributes. But I think Kwesi likes svelte. He love svelte. Wishes it were basketball. He sees big and heavy as undisciplined, even a heathen lifestyle. He got rid of our ONLY blubberous player (Pierce). Phillips, the initial signed heavy, is a compact sort. ACL Taylor has a mystery weight. Hicks looks trim at ILB. Sullivan could use a steak dinner. On offense, Mundt is a bit light in the pants. And the OL guys are certainly not big city fire hydrants.

- Davis at 12 to platoon with Tomlinson initially or a top CB. Read Sauce has been known to allow "slivers of sunshine" between himself and the receiver [;)]
- At least one of the second tier CBs might be around in the 2nd, food for thought.
- Center, agree on mass. Birk was 320 lbs a generation ago, let's move the needle a touch to 330.

Good point on WR.

Some article said Smith's contract is structured to suggest this is his last year in Minny. Don't know if that's valid, but if so S could end up being at the top of all-time 'Most Barren Position'.

Tough guy WR is Drake London, who will probably be available in late 1st ( I know nothing). Has also been described as a basketballer type which is Kwesi's kale jam.

But freaking Tredwell (and Nkeal Harry) ruined me on that approach.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

In highlights for other Georgia defensive prospects, Davis is nowhere to be found. He's a very part-time player at this point who doesn't offer much, if anything, on passing downs. On downs he is on the fields, he takes plays off. Unless you can get comfortable with those things, and I'm not saying there's no explanation or justification, 12 is way too high for him. If you think he can offer much more than he has shown, he might be worthy at 12. He doesn't look like he'll ever be on the field in passing situations, so he'd have to be dominant---in the NFL---the rest of the time he's on the field.