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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

DB
DB
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DE

WR
CB
IOL
IOL

i don't like picking at #12...i'd trade back for another 2nd round pick....

we could trade our three 6th round picks and move up to #125 in the 4th, or include our 5th rounder and move up to #108 in the 4th....

i think we're going to find that we're already deep with young talent at edge/de....

CB (Defcon 1, 'cocked pistol')
C (Defcon 2, 'we need to unsheath')
S (Defcon 3, 'belligerent')

Not just because Dantzler, Bradbury, Bynum are our weakest starters but there is absolutely zilch – not even a Zimmer blacklisted no show mystery like Mond or W Davis – to fantasize about stepping in. TE is as weak / shallow also but not sure how much it will factor into our new offense.

Such a weird start to the regime, not even sure FA and the draft are hands on the same body, much less working hand in hand.

ZAD and Hicks (to a much lesser degree) are Kwesi's legitimate signings and shoe-in starters. No draft attention there.

DT Phillips, RG Reed-J Davis, CB Peterson, SCB Sullivan are hand-regime-picked probable starters, by default ... (Peterson was a hand-picked recycle). Think of Kwesi and his little pipette dropping these guys into a petri dish, hoping to culture some good hairy bacteria on top the of the baseline jelly-like Spielman stuff (from the last few drafts).

OK I went way too far there, I apologize.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Davis will be at camp mingling with fans and kids seeking autographs. Somebody will shout "that's Wyatt Davis" and all the kids will hide their sharpies and paper.

Twyman. 3 of his 10.5 sacks came against Ohio (not Ohio St). Still, he seems to have pass rushing skills. Squatty type, not sure where his position is.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Davis will be at camp mingling with fans and kids seeking autographs. Somebody will shout "that's Wyatt Davis" and all the kids will hide their sharpies and paper.

Twyman. 3 of his 10.5 sacks came against Ohio (not Ohio St). Still, he seems to have pass rushing skills. Squatty type, not sure where his position is.

What do you think of just drafting Kenyon Green(at #12 or a slight trade back) and finally taking care of the RG spot?

Then, draft a Center in rounds 5 or 6 and let Bradbury, Reed and rookie battle it out for Center position.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Davis will be at camp mingling with fans and kids seeking autographs. Somebody will shout "that's Wyatt Davis" and all the kids will hide their sharpies and paper.

Twyman. 3 of his 10.5 sacks came against Ohio (not Ohio St). Still, he seems to have pass rushing skills. Squatty type, not sure where his position is.

What do you think of just drafting Kenyon Green(at #12 or a slight trade back) and finally taking care of the RG spot?

Then, draft a Center in rounds 5 or 6 and let Bradbury, Reed and rookie battle it out for Center position.

I think it's very bad value at 12. Interestingly, with Spielman finally gone, we could be looking at the perfect tradeback scenario with so many needs, no hole that has to be filled at 12, and potentially no gamechanger sitting there for us. This could really be a year to get more draft capital and take a player later in the first who can help. I'd prefer to stay and get a gamechanger, but there might not be a clean fit there.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Davis will be at camp mingling with fans and kids seeking autographs. Somebody will shout "that's Wyatt Davis" and all the kids will hide their sharpies and paper.

Twyman. 3 of his 10.5 sacks came against Ohio (not Ohio St). Still, he seems to have pass rushing skills. Squatty type, not sure where his position is.

What do you think of just drafting Kenyon Green(at #12 or a slight trade back) and finally taking care of the RG spot?

Then, draft a Center in rounds 5 or 6 and let Bradbury, Reed and rookie battle it out for Center position.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

DB
DB
G
DE

WR
CB
IOL
IOL

i don't like picking at #12...i'd trade back for another 2nd round pick....

we could trade our three 6th round picks and move up to #125 in the 4th, or include our 5th rounder and move up to #108 in the 4th....

i think we're going to find that we're already deep with young talent at edge/de....

CB (Defcon 1, 'cocked pistol')
C (Defcon 2, 'we need to unsheath')
S (Defcon 3, 'belligerent')

Not just because Dantzler, Bradbury, Bynum are our weakest starters but there is absolutely zilch – not even a Zimmer blacklisted no show mystery like Mond or W Davis – to fantasize about stepping in. TE is as weak / shallow also but not sure how much it will factor into our new offense.

Such a weird start to the regime, not even sure FA and the draft are hands on the same body, much less working hand in hand.

ZAD and Hicks (to a much lesser degree) are Kwesi's legitimate signings and shoe-in starters. No draft attention there.

DT Phillips, RG Reed-J Davis, CB Peterson, SCB Sullivan are hand-regime-picked probable starters, by default ... (Peterson was a hand-picked recycle). Think of Kwesi and his little pipette dropping these guys into a petri dish, hoping to culture some good hairy bacteria on top the of the baseline jelly-like Spielman stuff (from the last few drafts).

OK I went way too far there, I apologize.

I'm okay with what I've seen in dantzler ane bynum...bradbury - no....

jaylen twyman is healthy...i just noticed on a draft site that he was a +143 in terms of draft value where we selected him - that's very very good...he had 10.5 sacks as a d-tackle in 2019 - that's a better season than stingley in 2019....

for reasons i can't explain; nobody, and i mean nobody, has any faith that wyatt davis is going to bring anything to camp this summer - it's like this guy doesn't really exist - people don't even say hello to him in the hallway anymore....

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

DB
DB
G
DE

WR
CB
IOL
IOL

i don't like picking at #12...i'd trade back for another 2nd round pick....

we could trade our three 6th round picks and move up to #125 in the 4th, or include our 5th rounder and move up to #108 in the 4th....

i think we're going to find that we're already deep with young talent at edge/de....

CB (Defcon 1, 'cocked pistol')
C (Defcon 2, 'we need to unsheath')
S (Defcon 3, 'belligerent')

Not just because Dantzler, Bradbury, Bynum are our weakest starters but there is absolutely zilch – not even a Zimmer blacklisted no show mystery like Mond or W Davis – to fantasize about stepping in. TE is as weak / shallow also but not sure how much it will factor into our new offense.

Such a weird start to the regime, not even sure FA and the draft are hands on the same body, much less working hand in hand.

ZAD and Hicks (to a much lesser degree) are Kwesi's legitimate signings and shoe-in starters. No draft attention there.

DT Phillips, RG Reed-J Davis, CB Peterson, SCB Sullivan are hand-regime-picked probable starters, by default ... (Peterson was a hand-picked recycle). Think of Kwesi and his little pipette dropping these guys into a petri dish, hoping to culture some good hairy bacteria on top the of the baseline jelly-like Spielman stuff (from the last few drafts).

OK I went way too far there, I apologize.

I'm okay with what I've seen in dantzler ane bynum...bradbury - no....

jaylen twyman is healthy...i just noticed on a draft site that he was a +143 in terms of draft value where we selected him - that's very very good...he had 10.5 sacks as a d-tackle in 2019 - that's a better season than stingley in 2019....

for reasons i can't explain; nobody, and i mean nobody, has any faith that wyatt davis is going to bring anything to camp this summer - it's like this guy doesn't really exist - people don't even say hello to him in the hallway anymore....

Bynum looked good in limited playing time, I liked his college resume. I think its a mistake to crown him as starter without adequate competition.

Being ok with Dantzler is your prerogative, of course. By any standard, he slid backward last season. And IMO he comes across as an over-sensitive head case ... no bueno for a CB. People (not you) will blame that and everything else on Zimmer but he just didn't impress me at all.

I was excited about drafting Davis ... maybe more just to have Spielman splurge on OL ... it is very strange to use a third rd pick and completely hold them back like that. Even Mond got glimpses. Again, its easy to blame everything on Zimmer but its very possible Davis didn't show up to play.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

DB
DB
G
DE

WR
CB
IOL
IOL

i don't like picking at #12...i'd trade back for another 2nd round pick....

we could trade our three 6th round picks and move up to #125 in the 4th, or include our 5th rounder and move up to #108 in the 4th....

i think we're going to find that we're already deep with young talent at edge/de....

CB (Defcon 1, 'cocked pistol')
C (Defcon 2, 'we need to unsheath')
S (Defcon 3, 'belligerent')

Not just because Dantzler, Bradbury, Bynum are our weakest starters but there is absolutely zilch – not even a Zimmer blacklisted no show mystery like Mond or W Davis – to fantasize about stepping in. TE is as weak / shallow also but not sure how much it will factor into our new offense.

Such a weird start to the regime, not even sure FA and the draft are hands on the same body, much less working hand in hand.

ZAD and Hicks (to a much lesser degree) are Kwesi's legitimate signings and shoe-in starters. No draft attention there.

DT Phillips, RG Reed-J Davis, CB Peterson, SCB Sullivan are hand-regime-picked probable starters, by default ... (Peterson was a hand-picked recycle). Think of Kwesi and his little pipette dropping these guys into a petri dish, hoping to culture some good hairy bacteria on top the of the baseline jelly-like Spielman stuff (from the last few drafts).

OK I went way too far there, I apologize.

I'm okay with what I've seen in dantzler ane bynum...bradbury - no....

jaylen twyman is healthy...i just noticed on a draft site that he was a +143 in terms of draft value where we selected him - that's very very good...he had 10.5 sacks as a d-tackle in 2019 - that's a better season than stingley in 2019....

for reasons i can't explain; nobody, and i mean nobody, has any faith that wyatt davis is going to bring anything to camp this summer - it's like this guy doesn't really exist - people don't even say hello to him in the hallway anymore....

Bynum looked good in limited playing time, I liked his college resume. I think its a mistake to crown him as starter without adequate competition.

Being ok with Dantzler is your prerogative, of course. By any standard, he slid backward last season. And IMO he comes across as an over-sensitive head case ... no bueno for a CB. People (not you) will blame that and everything else on Zimmer but he just didn't impress me at all.

I was excited about drafting Davis ... maybe more just to have Spielman splurge on OL ... it is very strange to use a third rd pick and completely hold them back like that. Even Mond got glimpses. Again, its easy to blame everything on Zimmer but its very possible Davis didn't show up to play.

i realize that for a CB it's about stopping the passing game, but I've heard that dantzler was #1 against the run as a CB....

2021
cameron dantzler pff grade 73.8...17/116

Patrick peterson pff grade 63.0...57/116

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

DB
DB
G
DE

WR
CB
IOL
IOL

i don't like picking at #12...i'd trade back for another 2nd round pick....

we could trade our three 6th round picks and move up to #125 in the 4th, or include our 5th rounder and move up to #108 in the 4th....

i think we're going to find that we're already deep with young talent at edge/de....

CB (Defcon 1, 'cocked pistol')
C (Defcon 2, 'we need to unsheath')
S (Defcon 3, 'belligerent')

Not just because Dantzler, Bradbury, Bynum are our weakest starters but there is absolutely zilch – not even a Zimmer blacklisted no show mystery like Mond or W Davis – to fantasize about stepping in. TE is as weak / shallow also but not sure how much it will factor into our new offense.

Such a weird start to the regime, not even sure FA and the draft are hands on the same body, much less working hand in hand.

ZAD and Hicks (to a much lesser degree) are Kwesi's legitimate signings and shoe-in starters. No draft attention there.

DT Phillips, RG Reed-J Davis, CB Peterson, SCB Sullivan are hand-regime-picked probable starters, by default ... (Peterson was a hand-picked recycle). Think of Kwesi and his little pipette dropping these guys into a petri dish, hoping to culture some good hairy bacteria on top the of the baseline jelly-like Spielman stuff (from the last few drafts).

OK I went way too far there, I apologize.

I'm okay with what I've seen in dantzler ane bynum...bradbury - no....

jaylen twyman is healthy...i just noticed on a draft site that he was a +143 in terms of draft value where we selected him - that's very very good...he had 10.5 sacks as a d-tackle in 2019 - that's a better season than stingley in 2019....

for reasons i can't explain; nobody, and i mean nobody, has any faith that wyatt davis is going to bring anything to camp this summer - it's like this guy doesn't really exist - people don't even say hello to him in the hallway anymore....

Bynum looked good in limited playing time, I liked his college resume. I think its a mistake to crown him as starter without adequate competition.

Being ok with Dantzler is your prerogative, of course. By any standard, he slid backward last season. And IMO he comes across as an over-sensitive head case ... no bueno for a CB. People (not you) will blame that and everything else on Zimmer but he just didn't impress me at all.

I was excited about drafting Davis ... maybe more just to have Spielman splurge on OL ... it is very strange to use a third rd pick and completely hold them back like that. Even Mond got glimpses. Again, its easy to blame everything on Zimmer but its very possible Davis didn't show up to play.

i realize that for a CB it's about stopping the passing game, but I've heard that dantzler was #1 against the run as a CB....

2021
cameron dantzler pff grade 73.8...17/116

Patrick peterson pff grade 63.0...57/116

PFF is only slightly more accurate than cowboy nation bbq jackalope grades. I’d rather have Peterson even though he is below average, a shadow of his former self who probably graded higher than he deserved because of the negative attention Breeland was getting. You know what he is, he know’s what he is and you’ll get that steadily. Danztler is all over the place … I’m sure a part of that is youth but a good play here does not offset the really bad plays there. Undependable and no way should he be a designated starter. No way.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Davis will be at camp mingling with fans and kids seeking autographs. Somebody will shout "that's Wyatt Davis" and all the kids will hide their sharpies and paper.

Twyman. 3 of his 10.5 sacks came against Ohio (not Ohio St). Still, he seems to have pass rushing skills. Squatty type, not sure where his position is.

What do you think of just drafting Kenyon Green(at #12 or a slight trade back) and finally taking care of the RG spot?

Then, draft a Center in rounds 5 or 6 and let Bradbury, Reed and rookie battle it out for Center position.

How far back to trade and what is the return? And while guard has been a problem since the civil war, center is acute. Not clamoring for a C in the first round, but certainly higher than the 5th. DB is acute.

Maybe a trade down for Green and say a McCreary type would be a good use of 12:

This shows Green 27th overall: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2022/kenyon-green

This shows McCreary 38th overall: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/search?q=roger+mccreary

27 & 38 equate exactly to 12: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

DB
DB
G
DE

WR
CB
IOL
IOL

i don't like picking at #12...i'd trade back for another 2nd round pick....

we could trade our three 6th round picks and move up to #125 in the 4th, or include our 5th rounder and move up to #108 in the 4th....

i think we're going to find that we're already deep with young talent at edge/de....

CB (Defcon 1, 'cocked pistol')
C (Defcon 2, 'we need to unsheath')
S (Defcon 3, 'belligerent')

Not just because Dantzler, Bradbury, Bynum are our weakest starters but there is absolutely zilch – not even a Zimmer blacklisted no show mystery like Mond or W Davis – to fantasize about stepping in. TE is as weak / shallow also but not sure how much it will factor into our new offense.

Such a weird start to the regime, not even sure FA and the draft are hands on the same body, much less working hand in hand.

ZAD and Hicks (to a much lesser degree) are Kwesi's legitimate signings and shoe-in starters. No draft attention there.

DT Phillips, RG Reed-J Davis, CB Peterson, SCB Sullivan are hand-regime-picked probable starters, by default ... (Peterson was a hand-picked recycle). Think of Kwesi and his little pipette dropping these guys into a petri dish, hoping to culture some good hairy bacteria on top the of the baseline jelly-like Spielman stuff (from the last few drafts).

OK I went way too far there, I apologize.

I'm okay with what I've seen in dantzler ane bynum...bradbury - no....

jaylen twyman is healthy...i just noticed on a draft site that he was a +143 in terms of draft value where we selected him - that's very very good...he had 10.5 sacks as a d-tackle in 2019 - that's a better season than stingley in 2019....

for reasons i can't explain; nobody, and i mean nobody, has any faith that wyatt davis is going to bring anything to camp this summer - it's like this guy doesn't really exist - people don't even say hello to him in the hallway anymore....

Bynum looked good in limited playing time, I liked his college resume. I think its a mistake to crown him as starter without adequate competition.

Being ok with Dantzler is your prerogative, of course. By any standard, he slid backward last season. And IMO he comes across as an over-sensitive head case ... no bueno for a CB. People (not you) will blame that and everything else on Zimmer but he just didn't impress me at all.

I was excited about drafting Davis ... maybe more just to have Spielman splurge on OL ... it is very strange to use a third rd pick and completely hold them back like that. Even Mond got glimpses. Again, its easy to blame everything on Zimmer but its very possible Davis didn't show up to play.

i realize that for a CB it's about stopping the passing game, but I've heard that dantzler was #1 against the run as a CB....

2021
cameron dantzler pff grade 73.8...17/116

Patrick peterson pff grade 63.0...57/116

PFF is only slightly more accurate than cowboy nation bbq jackalope grades. I’d rather have Peterson even though he is below average, a shadow of his former self who probably graded higher than he deserved because of the negative attention Breeland was getting. You know what he is, he know’s what he is and you’ll get that steadily. Danztler is all over the place … I’m sure a part of that is youth but a good play here does not offset the really bad plays there. Undependable and no way should he be a designated starter. No way.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

DB
DB
G
DE

WR
CB
IOL
IOL

i don't like picking at #12...i'd trade back for another 2nd round pick....

we could trade our three 6th round picks and move up to #125 in the 4th, or include our 5th rounder and move up to #108 in the 4th....

i think we're going to find that we're already deep with young talent at edge/de....

CB (Defcon 1, 'cocked pistol')
C (Defcon 2, 'we need to unsheath')
S (Defcon 3, 'belligerent')

Not just because Dantzler, Bradbury, Bynum are our weakest starters but there is absolutely zilch – not even a Zimmer blacklisted no show mystery like Mond or W Davis – to fantasize about stepping in. TE is as weak / shallow also but not sure how much it will factor into our new offense.

Such a weird start to the regime, not even sure FA and the draft are hands on the same body, much less working hand in hand.

ZAD and Hicks (to a much lesser degree) are Kwesi's legitimate signings and shoe-in starters. No draft attention there.

DT Phillips, RG Reed-J Davis, CB Peterson, SCB Sullivan are hand-regime-picked probable starters, by default ... (Peterson was a hand-picked recycle). Think of Kwesi and his little pipette dropping these guys into a petri dish, hoping to culture some good hairy bacteria on top the of the baseline jelly-like Spielman stuff (from the last few drafts).

OK I went way too far there, I apologize.

I'm okay with what I've seen in dantzler ane bynum...bradbury - no....

jaylen twyman is healthy...i just noticed on a draft site that he was a +143 in terms of draft value where we selected him - that's very very good...he had 10.5 sacks as a d-tackle in 2019 - that's a better season than stingley in 2019....

for reasons i can't explain; nobody, and i mean nobody, has any faith that wyatt davis is going to bring anything to camp this summer - it's like this guy doesn't really exist - people don't even say hello to him in the hallway anymore....

Bynum looked good in limited playing time, I liked his college resume. I think its a mistake to crown him as starter without adequate competition.

Being ok with Dantzler is your prerogative, of course. By any standard, he slid backward last season. And IMO he comes across as an over-sensitive head case ... no bueno for a CB. People (not you) will blame that and everything else on Zimmer but he just didn't impress me at all.

I was excited about drafting Davis ... maybe more just to have Spielman splurge on OL ... it is very strange to use a third rd pick and completely hold them back like that. Even Mond got glimpses. Again, its easy to blame everything on Zimmer but its very possible Davis didn't show up to play.

i realize that for a CB it's about stopping the passing game, but I've heard that dantzler was #1 against the run as a CB....

2021
cameron dantzler pff grade 73.8...17/116

Patrick peterson pff grade 63.0...57/116

PFF is only slightly more accurate than cowboy nation bbq jackalope grades. I’d rather have Peterson even though he is below average, a shadow of his former self who probably graded higher than he deserved because of the negative attention Breeland was getting. You know what he is, he know’s what he is and you’ll get that steadily. Danztler is all over the place … I’m sure a part of that is youth but a good play here does not offset the really bad plays there. Undependable and no way should he be a designated starter. No way.

maybe, but probably more so than you or me...i wouldn't anoint him anything, but i think that danztler closed the season strong....

there was plenty of tape on breeland...zimmer knew what he had...i think starting breeland, over and over, when he was clearly over his head, and getting killed in coverage is just more evidence that zimmer was out of his mind...for whatever reason, danztler was in zimmer's dog house, and he put that before a player's ability....

imo; danztler and whatever cb we draft this year are the near-term cb future of the vikings....

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Davis will be at camp mingling with fans and kids seeking autographs. Somebody will shout "that's Wyatt Davis" and all the kids will hide their sharpies and paper.

Twyman. 3 of his 10.5 sacks came against Ohio (not Ohio St). Still, he seems to have pass rushing skills. Squatty type, not sure where his position is.

What do you think of just drafting Kenyon Green(at #12 or a slight trade back) and finally taking care of the RG spot?

Then, draft a Center in rounds 5 or 6 and let Bradbury, Reed and rookie battle it out for Center position.

How far back to trade and what is the return? And while guard has been a problem since the civil war, center is acute. Not clamoring for a C in the first round, but certainly higher than the 5th. DB is acute.

Maybe a trade down for Green and say a McCreary type would be a good use of 12:

This shows Green 27th overall: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2022/kenyon-green

This shows McCreary 38th overall: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/search?q=roger+mccreary

27 & 38 equate exactly to 12: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Green and McCreary and still having #46 would be a nice start to draft.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

DB
DB
G
DE

WR
CB
IOL
IOL

i don't like picking at #12...i'd trade back for another 2nd round pick....

we could trade our three 6th round picks and move up to #125 in the 4th, or include our 5th rounder and move up to #108 in the 4th....

i think we're going to find that we're already deep with young talent at edge/de....

CB (Defcon 1, 'cocked pistol')
C (Defcon 2, 'we need to unsheath')
S (Defcon 3, 'belligerent')

Not just because Dantzler, Bradbury, Bynum are our weakest starters but there is absolutely zilch – not even a Zimmer blacklisted no show mystery like Mond or W Davis – to fantasize about stepping in. TE is as weak / shallow also but not sure how much it will factor into our new offense.

Such a weird start to the regime, not even sure FA and the draft are hands on the same body, much less working hand in hand.

ZAD and Hicks (to a much lesser degree) are Kwesi's legitimate signings and shoe-in starters. No draft attention there.

DT Phillips, RG Reed-J Davis, CB Peterson, SCB Sullivan are hand-regime-picked probable starters, by default ... (Peterson was a hand-picked recycle). Think of Kwesi and his little pipette dropping these guys into a petri dish, hoping to culture some good hairy bacteria on top the of the baseline jelly-like Spielman stuff (from the last few drafts).

OK I went way too far there, I apologize.

I'm okay with what I've seen in dantzler ane bynum...bradbury - no....

jaylen twyman is healthy...i just noticed on a draft site that he was a +143 in terms of draft value where we selected him - that's very very good...he had 10.5 sacks as a d-tackle in 2019 - that's a better season than stingley in 2019....

for reasons i can't explain; nobody, and i mean nobody, has any faith that wyatt davis is going to bring anything to camp this summer - it's like this guy doesn't really exist - people don't even say hello to him in the hallway anymore....

Bynum looked good in limited playing time, I liked his college resume. I think its a mistake to crown him as starter without adequate competition.

Being ok with Dantzler is your prerogative, of course. By any standard, he slid backward last season. And IMO he comes across as an over-sensitive head case ... no bueno for a CB. People (not you) will blame that and everything else on Zimmer but he just didn't impress me at all.

I was excited about drafting Davis ... maybe more just to have Spielman splurge on OL ... it is very strange to use a third rd pick and completely hold them back like that. Even Mond got glimpses. Again, its easy to blame everything on Zimmer but its very possible Davis didn't show up to play.

i realize that for a CB it's about stopping the passing game, but I've heard that dantzler was #1 against the run as a CB....

2021
cameron dantzler pff grade 73.8...17/116

Patrick peterson pff grade 63.0...57/116

PFF is only slightly more accurate than cowboy nation bbq jackalope grades. I’d rather have Peterson even though he is below average, a shadow of his former self who probably graded higher than he deserved because of the negative attention Breeland was getting. You know what he is, he know’s what he is and you’ll get that steadily. Danztler is all over the place … I’m sure a part of that is youth but a good play here does not offset the really bad plays there. Undependable and no way should he be a designated starter. No way.

maybe, but probably more so than you or me...i wouldn't anoint him anything, but i think that danztler closed the season strong....

there was plenty of tape on breeland...zimmer knew what he had...i think starting breeland, over and over, when he was clearly over his head, and getting killed in coverage is just more evidence that zimmer was out of his mind...for whatever reason, danztler was in zimmer's dog house, and he put that before a player's ability....

imo; danztler and whatever cb we draft this year are the near-term cb future of the vikings....

I'll bend under the withering attack of your argument and go with ...

Dantzler in the competition for starter vs a first or second rd pick ... and live with whatever happens hoping for continued growth.

but I'll be mumbling under my breath if Dantzler starts game one.

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i don't like picking at #12...i'd trade back for another 2nd round pick....

we could trade our three 6th round picks and move up to #125 in the 4th, or include our 5th rounder and move up to #108 in the 4th....

i think we're going to find that we're already deep with young talent at edge/de....

CB (Defcon 1, 'cocked pistol')
C (Defcon 2, 'we need to unsheath')
S (Defcon 3, 'belligerent')

Not just because Dantzler, Bradbury, Bynum are our weakest starters but there is absolutely zilch – not even a Zimmer blacklisted no show mystery like Mond or W Davis – to fantasize about stepping in. TE is as weak / shallow also but not sure how much it will factor into our new offense.

Such a weird start to the regime, not even sure FA and the draft are hands on the same body, much less working hand in hand.

ZAD and Hicks (to a much lesser degree) are Kwesi's legitimate signings and shoe-in starters. No draft attention there.

DT Phillips, RG Reed-J Davis, CB Peterson, SCB Sullivan are hand-regime-picked probable starters, by default ... (Peterson was a hand-picked recycle). Think of Kwesi and his little pipette dropping these guys into a petri dish, hoping to culture some good hairy bacteria on top the of the baseline jelly-like Spielman stuff (from the last few drafts).

OK I went way too far there, I apologize.

I'm okay with what I've seen in dantzler ane bynum...bradbury - no....

jaylen twyman is healthy...i just noticed on a draft site that he was a +143 in terms of draft value where we selected him - that's very very good...he had 10.5 sacks as a d-tackle in 2019 - that's a better season than stingley in 2019....

for reasons i can't explain; nobody, and i mean nobody, has any faith that wyatt davis is going to bring anything to camp this summer - it's like this guy doesn't really exist - people don't even say hello to him in the hallway anymore....

Bynum looked good in limited playing time, I liked his college resume. I think its a mistake to crown him as starter without adequate competition.

Being ok with Dantzler is your prerogative, of course. By any standard, he slid backward last season. And IMO he comes across as an over-sensitive head case ... no bueno for a CB. People (not you) will blame that and everything else on Zimmer but he just didn't impress me at all.

I was excited about drafting Davis ... maybe more just to have Spielman splurge on OL ... it is very strange to use a third rd pick and completely hold them back like that. Even Mond got glimpses. Again, its easy to blame everything on Zimmer but its very possible Davis didn't show up to play.

i realize that for a CB it's about stopping the passing game, but I've heard that dantzler was #1 against the run as a CB....

2021
cameron dantzler pff grade 73.8...17/116

Patrick peterson pff grade 63.0...57/116

PFF is only slightly more accurate than cowboy nation bbq jackalope grades. I’d rather have Peterson even though he is below average, a shadow of his former self who probably graded higher than he deserved because of the negative attention Breeland was getting. You know what he is, he know’s what he is and you’ll get that steadily. Danztler is all over the place … I’m sure a part of that is youth but a good play here does not offset the really bad plays there. Undependable and no way should he be a designated starter. No way.

Dantzler v Peterson is in part about the risk/reward of Dantzler compared to the known, albeit ever declining, quantity of Peterson.

Similar to the risk/reward of Stingley vs the safe but lower ceiling McDuffie.

Would like to see Dantzler outperform Peterson by the end of this year. If not, he needs to be a backup.

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Davis will be at camp mingling with fans and kids seeking autographs. Somebody will shout "that's Wyatt Davis" and all the kids will hide their sharpies and paper.

Twyman. 3 of his 10.5 sacks came against Ohio (not Ohio St). Still, he seems to have pass rushing skills. Squatty type, not sure where his position is.

What do you think of just drafting Kenyon Green(at #12 or a slight trade back) and finally taking care of the RG spot?

Then, draft a Center in rounds 5 or 6 and let Bradbury, Reed and rookie battle it out for Center position.

How far back to trade and what is the return? And while guard has been a problem since the civil war, center is acute. Not clamoring for a C in the first round, but certainly higher than the 5th. DB is acute.

Maybe a trade down for Green and say a McCreary type would be a good use of 12:

This shows Green 27th overall: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2022/kenyon-green

This shows McCreary 38th overall: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/search?q=roger+mccreary

27 & 38 equate exactly to 12: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Green and McCreary and still having #46 would be a nice start to draft.

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https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-draft-strongest-position-group-weakest

Something to keep in mind is also what positions can be adequately addressed in rounds 2-5

Looks like a draft were you can get good value after round in in these position groups:

1) Edge defender
2) Safety
3) Interior offensive line
4) Cornerback

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DB
DB
G
DE

WR
CB
IOL
IOL

i don't like picking at #12...i'd trade back for another 2nd round pick....

we could trade our three 6th round picks and move up to #125 in the 4th, or include our 5th rounder and move up to #108 in the 4th....

i think we're going to find that we're already deep with young talent at edge/de....

CB (Defcon 1, 'cocked pistol')
C (Defcon 2, 'we need to unsheath')
S (Defcon 3, 'belligerent')

Not just because Dantzler, Bradbury, Bynum are our weakest starters but there is absolutely zilch – not even a Zimmer blacklisted no show mystery like Mond or W Davis – to fantasize about stepping in. TE is as weak / shallow also but not sure how much it will factor into our new offense.

Such a weird start to the regime, not even sure FA and the draft are hands on the same body, much less working hand in hand.

ZAD and Hicks (to a much lesser degree) are Kwesi's legitimate signings and shoe-in starters. No draft attention there.

DT Phillips, RG Reed-J Davis, CB Peterson, SCB Sullivan are hand-regime-picked probable starters, by default ... (Peterson was a hand-picked recycle). Think of Kwesi and his little pipette dropping these guys into a petri dish, hoping to culture some good hairy bacteria on top the of the baseline jelly-like Spielman stuff (from the last few drafts).

OK I went way too far there, I apologize.

I'm okay with what I've seen in dantzler ane bynum...bradbury - no....

jaylen twyman is healthy...i just noticed on a draft site that he was a +143 in terms of draft value where we selected him - that's very very good...he had 10.5 sacks as a d-tackle in 2019 - that's a better season than stingley in 2019....

for reasons i can't explain; nobody, and i mean nobody, has any faith that wyatt davis is going to bring anything to camp this summer - it's like this guy doesn't really exist - people don't even say hello to him in the hallway anymore....

Bynum looked good in limited playing time, I liked his college resume. I think its a mistake to crown him as starter without adequate competition.

Being ok with Dantzler is your prerogative, of course. By any standard, he slid backward last season. And IMO he comes across as an over-sensitive head case ... no bueno for a CB. People (not you) will blame that and everything else on Zimmer but he just didn't impress me at all.

I was excited about drafting Davis ... maybe more just to have Spielman splurge on OL ... it is very strange to use a third rd pick and completely hold them back like that. Even Mond got glimpses. Again, its easy to blame everything on Zimmer but its very possible Davis didn't show up to play.

i realize that for a CB it's about stopping the passing game, but I've heard that dantzler was #1 against the run as a CB....

2021
cameron dantzler pff grade 73.8...17/116

Patrick peterson pff grade 63.0...57/116

PFF is only slightly more accurate than cowboy nation bbq jackalope grades. I’d rather have Peterson even though he is below average, a shadow of his former self who probably graded higher than he deserved because of the negative attention Breeland was getting. You know what he is, he know’s what he is and you’ll get that steadily. Danztler is all over the place … I’m sure a part of that is youth but a good play here does not offset the really bad plays there. Undependable and no way should he be a designated starter. No way.

Dantzler v Peterson is in part about the risk/reward of Dantzler compared to the known, albeit ever declining, quantity of Peterson.

Similar to the risk/reward of Stingley vs the safe but lower ceiling McDuffie.

Would like to see Dantzler outperform Peterson by the end of this year. If not, he needs to be a backup.

I suppose but either player is like trying to deal with a beer hangover by waking up the next morning and popping a beer.

Purging 2021 is going to take longer than expected.

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Davis will be at camp mingling with fans and kids seeking autographs. Somebody will shout "that's Wyatt Davis" and all the kids will hide their sharpies and paper.

Twyman. 3 of his 10.5 sacks came against Ohio (not Ohio St). Still, he seems to have pass rushing skills. Squatty type, not sure where his position is.

What do you think of just drafting Kenyon Green(at #12 or a slight trade back) and finally taking care of the RG spot?

Then, draft a Center in rounds 5 or 6 and let Bradbury, Reed and rookie battle it out for Center position.

How far back to trade and what is the return? And while guard has been a problem since the civil war, center is acute. Not clamoring for a C in the first round, but certainly higher than the 5th. DB is acute.

Maybe a trade down for Green and say a McCreary type would be a good use of 12:

This shows Green 27th overall: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2022/kenyon-green

This shows McCreary 38th overall: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/search?q=roger+mccreary

27 & 38 equate exactly to 12: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Green and McCreary and still having #46 would be a nice start to draft.

And amazingly the value of their overall mock positions are dead on equal to the #12 pick... fate! [;)]

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Our IOL has been a patchwork mess ever since Hutchison, Birk, Herrera…

One dumpster fire of SPACKLE and gauze, ever since.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Our IOL has been a patchwork mess ever since Hutchison, Birk, Herrera…

One dumpster fire of SPACKLE and gauze, ever since.