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Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 12:11:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes I can't see a TE or C prospect worth taking in the first two rds (unless Linderbaum drops). So first two rds, I believe we are looking at best prospects at WR, Edge, OL, CB, S. Subtract two positions and add TE and C to our third rd pool. This should clear everything up. I think you are Ouija Boarding safety. You think we are good to go at S? No, S has its issues. Bynum IMO is perhaps the player to take a risk with, but that's only because we have other needs. Thinking the difference makers like Sauce, Stingley, Williams will be gone by 12, leaving all sorts of options who are a step below at DE and WR, as well as Davis. McDuffie belongs with the second tier CBs. Hamilton is the wild card.

Chris Olson -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 12:14:07 PM)
I think he means you are clairvoyant I would not be upset with Hamilton at 12

Steve Lentz -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 12:24:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chris Olson I think he means you are clairvoyant I would not be upset with Hamilton at 12 [sm=yup0zd.gif]

Tom Sykes -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 1:13:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes I can't see a TE or C prospect worth taking in the first two rds (unless Linderbaum drops). So first two rds, I believe we are looking at best prospects at WR, Edge, OL, CB, S. Subtract two positions and add TE and C to our third rd pool. This should clear everything up. I think you are Ouija Boarding safety. You think we are good to go at S? No, S has its issues. Bynum IMO is perhaps the player to take a risk with, but that's only because we have other needs. Thinking the difference makers like Sauce, Stingley, Williams will be gone by 12, leaving all sorts of options who are a step below at DE and WR, as well as Davis. McDuffie belongs with the second tier CBs. Hamilton is the wild card. There's also the 'how can we assist the draft in biting green bay in the ass' factor. My understanding is, as one of the first rd teams with two picks, there's a good chance they will try and move up for the WR Adams replacement of their choice. Something to keep in mind when choosing between positions ... (which available WR would I least want the packers to move up for, if they haven't already, etc.)

Brad H -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 1:23:07 PM)
The only d-lineman that could possibly keep me away from drafting a corner in round one would be Jordan Davis. That kid looks like a beast to me. Outside of that it looks like a good year for great DB's and that should be the first pick given our needs.

Tom Sykes -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 1:31:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chris Olson I think he means you are clairvoyant I would not be upset with Hamilton at 12 He has every team captain intangible dominating Kwesi's laminated spreadsheet. I can't wait to see the first espn photo op of our war-room ... staged with game-time Kwesi in ipods instead of a headset, holding an ipad over his mouth as he yells out functions and matrixes to the phone people.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 2:02:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes I can't see a TE or C prospect worth taking in the first two rds (unless Linderbaum drops). So first two rds, I believe we are looking at best prospects at WR, Edge, OL, CB, S. Subtract two positions and add TE and C to our third rd pool. This should clear everything up. I think you are Ouija Boarding safety. You think we are good to go at S? No, S has its issues. Bynum IMO is perhaps the player to take a risk with, but that's only because we have other needs. Thinking the difference makers like Sauce, Stingley, Williams will be gone by 12, leaving all sorts of options who are a step below at DE and WR, as well as Davis. McDuffie belongs with the second tier CBs. Hamilton is the wild card. There's also the 'how can we assist the draft in biting green bay in the ass' factor. My understanding is, as one of the first rd teams with two picks, there's a good chance they will try and move up for the WR Adams replacement of their choice. Something to keep in mind when choosing between positions ... (which available WR would I least want the packers to move up for, if they haven't already, etc.) Yeah have wondered about that as an 'all things being equal' thing, or perhaps it's worth some value (ex. 3 percent/points/whatever). Any top WR we take would reduce options and hopefully increase trade-up competition/resources. As far as who we don't want to see twice or more a year, Jameson Williams immediately comes to mind. But Olave, Wilson, and even Dotson and Burks would be problematic. I think London will be a bust.

Phil Riewer -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 2:14:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Before free agency, our biggest holes were C (Bradbury), G (Cole, Udoh), CB1, CB2 (Peterson), SCB (Alexander), LB (Barr, Vigil), DE / Edge [opposite of Hunter], NT (Pierce), TE (Conklin), FS (Woods) If you give the benefit of the doubt to our FA signings (Edge Smith, LB Hicks, NT Phillips, SCB Sullivan, CB2 Peterson, G Reed), our biggest holes remaining are: C, CB1, S, TE [IMO Bynum and Smith are promising but still question marks as full-time starters ... they need real competition and depth] Also WR, Edge, OT ... depth sucks everywhere but RB … so premium positions could easily be addressed for depth now and cap flexibility later. WR has Bisi coming back, Osborne, and Smith Marsette. Depth at WR really isn't a worry.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 2:14:41 PM)
Cringing at the thought of GB's Williams suddenly in the open field with just Minny's 4.6 forty Hamilton to beat. But he should be gone before #12. Detroit's problem [:D]

Tom Sykes -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 2:17:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes I can't see a TE or C prospect worth taking in the first two rds (unless Linderbaum drops). So first two rds, I believe we are looking at best prospects at WR, Edge, OL, CB, S. Subtract two positions and add TE and C to our third rd pool. This should clear everything up. I think you are Ouija Boarding safety. You think we are good to go at S? No, S has its issues. Bynum IMO is perhaps the player to take a risk with, but that's only because we have other needs. Thinking the difference makers like Sauce, Stingley, Williams will be gone by 12, leaving all sorts of options who are a step below at DE and WR, as well as Davis. McDuffie belongs with the second tier CBs. Hamilton is the wild card. There's also the 'how can we assist the draft in biting green bay in the ass' factor. My understanding is, as one of the first rd teams with two picks, there's a good chance they will try and move up for the WR Adams replacement of their choice. Something to keep in mind when choosing between positions ... (which available WR would I least want the packers to move up for, if they haven't already, etc.) Yeah have wondered about that as an 'all things being equal' thing, or perhaps it's worth some value (ex. 3 percent/points/whatever). Any top WR we take would reduce options and hopefully increase trade-up competition/resources. As far as who we don't want to see twice or more a year, Jameson Williams immediately comes to mind. But Olave, Wilson, and even Dotson and Burks would be problematic. I think London will be a bust. If we land a first round worthy CB ... I would agree. If we don't get a CB first two rds ... any WR drafted or undrafted could be problematic.

Tom Sykes -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 2:22:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Before free agency, our biggest holes were C (Bradbury), G (Cole, Udoh), CB1, CB2 (Peterson), SCB (Alexander), LB (Barr, Vigil), DE / Edge [opposite of Hunter], NT (Pierce), TE (Conklin), FS (Woods) If you give the benefit of the doubt to our FA signings (Edge Smith, LB Hicks, NT Phillips, SCB Sullivan, CB2 Peterson, G Reed), our biggest holes remaining are: C, CB1, S, TE [IMO Bynum and Smith are promising but still question marks as full-time starters ... they need real competition and depth] Also WR, Edge, OT ... depth sucks everywhere but RB … so premium positions could easily be addressed for depth now and cap flexibility later. WR has Bisi coming back, Osborne, and Smith Marsette. Depth at WR really isn't a worry. Osborne is a starter for all practical purposes so he doesn't count. ISM as the only back-up to JJ Thielen Osborne? Be serious. (please don't bring up Bisi ... I will consider that a misfire and let it go this time but don't bring him up again)

Murph -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 2:34:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Before free agency, our biggest holes were C (Bradbury), G (Cole, Udoh), CB1, CB2 (Peterson), SCB (Alexander), LB (Barr, Vigil), DE / Edge [opposite of Hunter], NT (Pierce), TE (Conklin), FS (Woods) If you give the benefit of the doubt to our FA signings (Edge Smith, LB Hicks, NT Phillips, SCB Sullivan, CB2 Peterson, G Reed), our biggest holes remaining are: C, CB1, S, TE [IMO Bynum and Smith are promising but still question marks as full-time starters ... they need real competition and depth] Also WR, Edge, OT ... depth sucks everywhere but RB … so premium positions could easily be addressed for depth now and cap flexibility later. WR has Bisi coming back, Osborne, and Smith Marsette. Depth at WR really isn't a worry. 17 games plus playoffs, hopefully. Injuries happen. What happens if JJ or Thielen go down for significant time? Our new offense runs a lot of 3-4 WR sets. I'd be really surprised if we didn't draft a WR in this draft. I'm expecting one with one of our first 3 picks.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 2:40:16 PM)
. . their final year in college.... 111-1540-18…justin jefferson 79-1572-15….jameson Williams 70-1058-12….garrett wilson 65-936-13….chris olave 88-1084-7…drake london 96-1820-26….randy moss --- wtf

Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 2:40:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Before free agency, our biggest holes were C (Bradbury), G (Cole, Udoh), CB1, CB2 (Peterson), SCB (Alexander), LB (Barr, Vigil), DE / Edge [opposite of Hunter], NT (Pierce), TE (Conklin), FS (Woods) If you give the benefit of the doubt to our FA signings (Edge Smith, LB Hicks, NT Phillips, SCB Sullivan, CB2 Peterson, G Reed), our biggest holes remaining are: C, CB1, S, TE [IMO Bynum and Smith are promising but still question marks as full-time starters ... they need real competition and depth] Also WR, Edge, OT ... depth sucks everywhere but RB … so premium positions could easily be addressed for depth now and cap flexibility later. WR has Bisi coming back, Osborne, and Smith Marsette. Depth at WR really isn't a worry. Osborne is a starter for all practical purposes so he doesn't count. ISM as the only back-up to JJ Thielen Osborne? Be serious. (please don't bring up Bisi ... I will consider that a misfire and let it go this time but don't bring him up again) "...Bisi coming back..." OMG. Bisi is exactly the player and position to target with a later round pick. Instead of saying depth isn't a problem, he should be saying what can the regime do to upgrade the position and send Bisi packing!

Phil Riewer -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 2:47:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Before free agency, our biggest holes were C (Bradbury), G (Cole, Udoh), CB1, CB2 (Peterson), SCB (Alexander), LB (Barr, Vigil), DE / Edge [opposite of Hunter], NT (Pierce), TE (Conklin), FS (Woods) If you give the benefit of the doubt to our FA signings (Edge Smith, LB Hicks, NT Phillips, SCB Sullivan, CB2 Peterson, G Reed), our biggest holes remaining are: C, CB1, S, TE [IMO Bynum and Smith are promising but still question marks as full-time starters ... they need real competition and depth] Also WR, Edge, OT ... depth sucks everywhere but RB … so premium positions could easily be addressed for depth now and cap flexibility later. WR has Bisi coming back, Osborne, and Smith Marsette. Depth at WR really isn't a worry. Osborne is a starter for all practical purposes so he doesn't count. ISM as the only back-up to JJ Thielen Osborne? Be serious. (please don't bring up Bisi ... I will consider that a misfire and let it go this time but don't bring him up again) "...Bisi coming back..." OMG. Bisi is exactly the player and position to target with a later round pick. Instead of saying depth isn't a problem, he should be saying what can the regime do to upgrade the position and send Bisi packing! It is more of emergency 911 lets draft one in the 1st (that Marty suggests). I do like a ton of the WR that will be available 3-6 rounds. They are bigger and faster than Bisi. I am fine with that; lets not draft one in the 1st.

Murph -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 2:56:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Before free agency, our biggest holes were C (Bradbury), G (Cole, Udoh), CB1, CB2 (Peterson), SCB (Alexander), LB (Barr, Vigil), DE / Edge [opposite of Hunter], NT (Pierce), TE (Conklin), FS (Woods) If you give the benefit of the doubt to our FA signings (Edge Smith, LB Hicks, NT Phillips, SCB Sullivan, CB2 Peterson, G Reed), our biggest holes remaining are: C, CB1, S, TE [IMO Bynum and Smith are promising but still question marks as full-time starters ... they need real competition and depth] Also WR, Edge, OT ... depth sucks everywhere but RB … so premium positions could easily be addressed for depth now and cap flexibility later. WR has Bisi coming back, Osborne, and Smith Marsette. Depth at WR really isn't a worry. Osborne is a starter for all practical purposes so he doesn't count. ISM as the only back-up to JJ Thielen Osborne? Be serious. (please don't bring up Bisi ... I will consider that a misfire and let it go this time but don't bring him up again) "...Bisi coming back..." OMG. Bisi is exactly the player and position to target with a later round pick. Instead of saying depth isn't a problem, he should be saying what can the regime do to upgrade the position and send Bisi packing! It is more of emergency 911 lets draft one in the 1st (that Marty suggests). I do like a ton of the WR that will be available 3-6 rounds. They are bigger and faster than Bisi. I am fine with that; lets not draft one in the 1st. Unless he's the best player available on our board.

David Levine -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 2:58:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Before free agency, our biggest holes were C (Bradbury), G (Cole, Udoh), CB1, CB2 (Peterson), SCB (Alexander), LB (Barr, Vigil), DE / Edge [opposite of Hunter], NT (Pierce), TE (Conklin), FS (Woods) If you give the benefit of the doubt to our FA signings (Edge Smith, LB Hicks, NT Phillips, SCB Sullivan, CB2 Peterson, G Reed), our biggest holes remaining are: C, CB1, S, TE [IMO Bynum and Smith are promising but still question marks as full-time starters ... they need real competition and depth] Also WR, Edge, OT ... depth sucks everywhere but RB … so premium positions could easily be addressed for depth now and cap flexibility later. WR has Bisi coming back, Osborne, and Smith Marsette. Depth at WR really isn't a worry. Osborne is a starter for all practical purposes so he doesn't count. ISM as the only back-up to JJ Thielen Osborne? Be serious. (please don't bring up Bisi ... I will consider that a misfire and let it go this time but don't bring him up again) I also need to see more than 1 good game out of ISM before I'm sure he's part of the future (or even the present).

lyle chabot -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 3:07:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman From all the mock drafts I've checked out, it appears that one (or more) of these guys will be available at 12: WR - Jameson Williams S - Kyle Hamilton DE - Jermaine Johnson CB - Derek Stingley Jr. All positions of need for the Vikings, and all of them have the potential to be game changers. If one of them is there at 12, I hope Kwesi pulls the trigger instead of trading back. Why does J Johnson have the potential to be a game changer? Is DE an all time deep position? CB singles is my first choice if available at 12 WR Williams S Hamilton If all gone trade back in the teens ans get our fourth round pick back

Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 3:16:42 PM)
If there is nobody we like value-wise at 12 and no suitable trade partner, we could delay the pick in order to try to pay the lower slot! Kevin Williams' agent fought that, and it ended up roughly a compromise: https://www.twincities.com/2020/04/10/vikings-2003-draft-fiasco-the-who-worked-out-fine-the-how-not-so-much/ Interesting how Tice said the edict to trade down was a money decision (which I believe) while Woods says it was for more picks.

David F. -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 3:17:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lyle chabot quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman From all the mock drafts I've checked out, it appears that one (or more) of these guys will be available at 12: WR - Jameson Williams S - Kyle Hamilton DE - Jermaine Johnson CB - Derek Stingley Jr. All positions of need for the Vikings, and all of them have the potential to be game changers. If one of them is there at 12, I hope Kwesi pulls the trigger instead of trading back. Why does J Johnson have the potential to be a game changer? Is DE an all time deep position? CB singles is my first choice if available at 12 WR Williams S Hamilton If all gone trade back in the teens ans get our fourth round pick back Or if they're all there - trade back also.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 3:26:29 PM)
National and BLESTO scouting services: http://www.draftdaddy.com/features/blesto.htm

Tom Sykes -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 3:29:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Before free agency, our biggest holes were C (Bradbury), G (Cole, Udoh), CB1, CB2 (Peterson), SCB (Alexander), LB (Barr, Vigil), DE / Edge [opposite of Hunter], NT (Pierce), TE (Conklin), FS (Woods) If you give the benefit of the doubt to our FA signings (Edge Smith, LB Hicks, NT Phillips, SCB Sullivan, CB2 Peterson, G Reed), our biggest holes remaining are: C, CB1, S, TE [IMO Bynum and Smith are promising but still question marks as full-time starters ... they need real competition and depth] Also WR, Edge, OT ... depth sucks everywhere but RB … so premium positions could easily be addressed for depth now and cap flexibility later. WR has Bisi coming back, Osborne, and Smith Marsette. Depth at WR really isn't a worry. Osborne is a starter for all practical purposes so he doesn't count. ISM as the only back-up to JJ Thielen Osborne? Be serious. (please don't bring up Bisi ... I will consider that a misfire and let it go this time but don't bring him up again) "...Bisi coming back..." OMG. Bisi is exactly the player and position to target with a later round pick. Instead of saying depth isn't a problem, he should be saying what can the regime do to upgrade the position and send Bisi packing! It is more of emergency 911 lets draft one in the 1st (that Marty suggests). I do like a ton of the WR that will be available 3-6 rounds. They are bigger and faster than Bisi. I am fine with that; lets not draft one in the 1st. One of Kwesi's underrated hidden rough diamond gems, I'm sure: Rd 3 WR Khalil Shakir, Boise State 6-0 196 4.43 Strengths: A coach's dream, combining competitive nature, exciting versatility and elite character on and off the field ... Voracious competitive spirit and vastly versatile ... Receiver used on direct snaps, as a running back, on jets sweeps and in return game ... Motor rarely gives opponents a chance to catch their breath No down gear into the teeth of the defense as route-runner Concentration to make wild circus catches ... Relishes contact and can play through it ... Absolute menace with the ball in his hands. (nfl.com) Weaknesses: doesn't always brush his teeth twice a day. Boom. a bigger version of Deebo and faster version Cooper Kupp (who ran a 4.62 at combine) rolled into one!

ratoppenheimer -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 3:43:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Before free agency, our biggest holes were C (Bradbury), G (Cole, Udoh), CB1, CB2 (Peterson), SCB (Alexander), LB (Barr, Vigil), DE / Edge [opposite of Hunter], NT (Pierce), TE (Conklin), FS (Woods) If you give the benefit of the doubt to our FA signings (Edge Smith, LB Hicks, NT Phillips, SCB Sullivan, CB2 Peterson, G Reed), our biggest holes remaining are: C, CB1, S, TE [IMO Bynum and Smith are promising but still question marks as full-time starters ... they need real competition and depth] Also WR, Edge, OT ... depth sucks everywhere but RB … so premium positions could easily be addressed for depth now and cap flexibility later. WR has Bisi coming back, Osborne, and Smith Marsette. Depth at WR really isn't a worry. Osborne is a starter for all practical purposes so he doesn't count. ISM as the only back-up to JJ Thielen Osborne? Be serious. (please don't bring up Bisi ... I will consider that a misfire and let it go this time but don't bring him up again) No way bisi makes the final 53….

Tom Sykes -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 3:43:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen National and BLESTO scouting services: http://www.draftdaddy.com/features/blesto.htm BLESTO-V. No respect. Ever. The International Ring Size chart at the top is useful also.

Tom Sykes -> RE: 2022 NFL draft (4/28/2022 3:46:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Before free agency, our biggest holes were C (Bradbury), G (Cole, Udoh), CB1, CB2 (Peterson), SCB (Alexander), LB (Barr, Vigil), DE / Edge [opposite of Hunter], NT (Pierce), TE (Conklin), FS (Woods) If you give the benefit of the doubt to our FA signings (Edge Smith, LB Hicks, NT Phillips, SCB Sullivan, CB2 Peterson, G Reed), our biggest holes remaining are: C, CB1, S, TE [IMO Bynum and Smith are promising but still question marks as full-time starters ... they need real competition and depth] Also WR, Edge, OT ... depth sucks everywhere but RB … so premium positions could easily be addressed for depth now and cap flexibility later. WR has Bisi coming back, Osborne, and Smith Marsette. Depth at WR really isn't a worry. Osborne is a starter for all practical purposes so he doesn't count. ISM as the only back-up to JJ Thielen Osborne? Be serious. (please don't bring up Bisi ... I will consider that a misfire and let it go this time but don't bring him up again) No way bisi makes the final 53…. You never know with our new staff ... they can fix anything that's been zimmered.

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