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Phil Riewer -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 7:24:09 AM)

Looking like their first choice is Bates. 2nd is Ereck Flowers. Flowers played LG last year for Wash.




Todd M -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 7:51:36 AM)

Let's find some $ for a guard and CB and call this FA a success.




Phil Riewer -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 8:15:31 AM)

Signing Zed Smith apparently fired up Hunter so much he is working on a new contract extension. Could free up enough for a cb and a guard.




Todd M -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 8:33:07 AM)

My thoughts exactly.

Love hearing that Hunter is pumped.




Mark Anderson -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 8:33:58 AM)

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I’ll say this, zed is a big risk, dh + zed is a huge risk …

if it backfires, at least we were gambling to be good. thank you.

I also like the GM’s focus on D in spite of the HC’s role.


What do you think of the depth there? Willikes, Jones, Robinson, and Wonnum.

I think James Lynch might thrive in the 3-4. He may be the third starter on the DL.


None of those guys have a 3-4 role although Lynch maybe looks the part.

Here is the 2006 Patriots roster with a 3-4: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2006_roster.htm

The roster contains the likes of Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, and Ty Warren on the DL. Junior Seau and Teddy Bruschi as ILBs with size and power.

Phillips and our ILBs will get trucked.

Robinson and Wonnum are definitely OLB in the 3-4.

Willikes and Jones might be asked to lose or gain weight to find a role. I hope Willikes finds a role. The guy hustles and is relentless.


Right now I would say our starters would be Philips and Watts at DE, Tomlinson at NT, OLBs Hunter and Smith, ILB Hicks and Kendricks


Normally you would only have 1 of those guys (34 OLB) on the field at a time. Doesn't smell right.


So you'd have 3 ILBs in a 3-4?


You don't normally have 2 "hand in the dirt" type DEs on the field at a time as OLBs in a 3-4. That's like fielding a "hand in the dirt" type DE as one of ypur 3 LBers in a 4-3.

It will be a new position for Hunter. Smith has been a stand up Edge/OLB his whole career.




David Levine -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 10:30:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’ll say this, zed is a big risk, dh + zed is a huge risk …

if it backfires, at least we were gambling to be good. thank you.

I also like the GM’s focus on D in spite of the HC’s role.


What do you think of the depth there? Willikes, Jones, Robinson, and Wonnum.

I think James Lynch might thrive in the 3-4. He may be the third starter on the DL.


None of those guys have a 3-4 role although Lynch maybe looks the part.

Here is the 2006 Patriots roster with a 3-4: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2006_roster.htm

The roster contains the likes of Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, and Ty Warren on the DL. Junior Seau and Teddy Bruschi as ILBs with size and power.

Phillips and our ILBs will get trucked.

Robinson and Wonnum are definitely OLB in the 3-4.

Willikes and Jones might be asked to lose or gain weight to find a role. I hope Willikes finds a role. The guy hustles and is relentless.


Right now I would say our starters would be Philips and Watts at DE, Tomlinson at NT, OLBs Hunter and Smith, ILB Hicks and Kendricks


Normally you would only have 1 of those guys (34 OLB) on the field at a time. Doesn't smell right.


So you'd have 3 ILBs in a 3-4?


You don't normally have 2 "hand in the dirt" type DEs on the field at a time as OLBs in a 3-4. That's like fielding a "hand in the dirt" type DE as one of ypur 3 LBers in a 4-3.


Both guys are ferocious pass rushers, but both are also very good against the run. They're kind of exactly what you want at OLB. It's a lot easier to shift your blocking if you know which guy is coming on every snap.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 10:43:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Signing Zed Smith apparently fired up Hunter so much he is working on a new contract extension. Could free up enough for a cb and a guard.



i think we should play hunter for a season before going beyond where we are already....




Tom Sykes -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 11:03:23 AM)

Oh the beauty of signing a decenr FA … from black doldrums to the ecstacy of the saints!

Hunter Zed … best case … give you two big beasts on the field for big plays.

middle case, one goes down and your D still has teeth

worst case, both go down, your D is toothless AND because we got caught up in the Zed euphoria, we pumped miney into Hunter’s deal a year early … wait on Hunter.

As far as Bates, I know nothing about him but if we designated him ‘next priority’ instead of CB, Hutchinson his ass and get it done.




The Happy Norseman -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 11:22:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Looking like their first choice is Bates. 2nd is Ereck Flowers. Flowers played LG last year for Wash.


Just saw a note that says Bates has taken the Bears offer. Flowers is intriguing. Surprise cut by WA. Graded at 72 last year per PFF and still only 27 years old.




TJSweens -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 11:23:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Signing Zed Smith apparently fired up Hunter so much he is working on a new contract extension. Could free up enough for a cb and a guard.

I think we should play hunter for a season before going beyond where we are already....

Why? He's established his value. He was on fire to start the season. Clearly the neck didn't bother him. A pectoral injury isn't going to have a long term impact.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 11:29:52 AM)

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cb's - bryce callahan and kyle fuller are available, and both played for donatell in Denver....




thebigo -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 1:18:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’ll say this, zed is a big risk, dh + zed is a huge risk …

if it backfires, at least we were gambling to be good. thank you.

I also like the GM’s focus on D in spite of the HC’s role.


What do you think of the depth there? Willikes, Jones, Robinson, and Wonnum.

I think James Lynch might thrive in the 3-4. He may be the third starter on the DL.


None of those guys have a 3-4 role although Lynch maybe looks the part.

Here is the 2006 Patriots roster with a 3-4: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2006_roster.htm

The roster contains the likes of Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, and Ty Warren on the DL. Junior Seau and Teddy Bruschi as ILBs with size and power.

Phillips and our ILBs will get trucked.

Robinson and Wonnum are definitely OLB in the 3-4.

Willikes and Jones might be asked to lose or gain weight to find a role. I hope Willikes finds a role. The guy hustles and is relentless.


Right now I would say our starters would be Philips and Watts at DE, Tomlinson at NT, OLBs Hunter and Smith, ILB Hicks and Kendricks


Normally you would only have 1 of those guys (34 OLB) on the field at a time. Doesn't smell right.


So you'd have 3 ILBs in a 3-4?


You don't normally have 2 "hand in the dirt" type DEs on the field at a time as OLBs in a 3-4. That's like fielding a "hand in the dirt" type DE as one of ypur 3 LBers in a 4-3.


Both guys are ferocious pass rushers, but both are also very good against the run. They're kind of exactly what you want at OLB. It's a lot easier to shift your blocking if you know which guy is coming on every snap.


In passing situations (which most plays are nowadays), you are going to have 5 non pass defenders on the field? OLB/DE/NT/DE/OLB? Normally on pass plays you drop an OLB in favor of an additional DB. I'm wondering if the plan is to have one of these guys (probably Hunter) line up as one of our DEs.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 1:57:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’ll say this, zed is a big risk, dh + zed is a huge risk …

if it backfires, at least we were gambling to be good. thank you.

I also like the GM’s focus on D in spite of the HC’s role.


What do you think of the depth there? Willikes, Jones, Robinson, and Wonnum.

I think James Lynch might thrive in the 3-4. He may be the third starter on the DL.


None of those guys have a 3-4 role although Lynch maybe looks the part.

Here is the 2006 Patriots roster with a 3-4: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2006_roster.htm

The roster contains the likes of Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, and Ty Warren on the DL. Junior Seau and Teddy Bruschi as ILBs with size and power.

Phillips and our ILBs will get trucked.

Robinson and Wonnum are definitely OLB in the 3-4.

Willikes and Jones might be asked to lose or gain weight to find a role. I hope Willikes finds a role. The guy hustles and is relentless.


Right now I would say our starters would be Philips and Watts at DE, Tomlinson at NT, OLBs Hunter and Smith, ILB Hicks and Kendricks


Normally you would only have 1 of those guys (34 OLB) on the field at a time. Doesn't smell right.


So you'd have 3 ILBs in a 3-4?


You don't normally have 2 "hand in the dirt" type DEs on the field at a time as OLBs in a 3-4. That's like fielding a "hand in the dirt" type DE as one of ypur 3 LBers in a 4-3.


Both guys are ferocious pass rushers, but both are also very good against the run. They're kind of exactly what you want at OLB. It's a lot easier to shift your blocking if you know which guy is coming on every snap.


In passing situations (which most plays are nowadays), you are going to have 5 non pass defenders on the field? OLB/DE/NT/DE/OLB? Normally on pass plays you drop an OLB in favor of an additional DB. I'm wondering if the plan is to have one of these guys (probably Hunter) line up as one of our DEs.



in nickel a 3-4 goes to 4 d-linemen, 2 lb's and 5 db's....




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 4:22:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Signing Zed Smith apparently fired up Hunter so much he is working on a new contract extension. Could free up enough for a cb and a guard.

I think we should play hunter for a season before going beyond where we are already....

Why? He's established his value. He was on fire to start the season. Clearly the neck didn't bother him. A pectoral injury isn't going to have a long term impact.


Spotrac shows the following cap hits for Hunter:
2022 - $25.8M
2023 - $ 8.6M
Heck, just balance that out if we need cap now.

And perhaps Todd's 'getting to know the roster' phase is apropos before contract talks for anyone in the defensive front 7.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 4:27:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Let's find some $ for a guard and CB and call this FA a success.


Yep, it appears they are trying for IOL.

And I think signing a FA CB is a guarantee, but that does not mean said FA CB will be any good.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 4:29:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Looking like their first choice is Bates. 2nd is Ereck Flowers. Flowers played LG last year for Wash.


Just saw a note that says Bates has taken the Bears offer. Flowers is intriguing. Surprise cut by WA. Graded at 72 last year per PFF and still only 27 years old.


Restructure someone and sign his arse, throw in another million for name recognition.




Mark Anderson -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 6:37:12 PM)

CB coming in for a visit this Friday.

Chandon Sullivan(Packers)




Phil Riewer -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 7:57:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

CB coming in for a visit this Friday.

Chandon Sullivan(Packers)

10th ranked slot last year. Mac was 35th




thebigo -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 10:12:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’ll say this, zed is a big risk, dh + zed is a huge risk …

if it backfires, at least we were gambling to be good. thank you.

I also like the GM’s focus on D in spite of the HC’s role.


What do you think of the depth there? Willikes, Jones, Robinson, and Wonnum.

I think James Lynch might thrive in the 3-4. He may be the third starter on the DL.


None of those guys have a 3-4 role although Lynch maybe looks the part.

Here is the 2006 Patriots roster with a 3-4: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2006_roster.htm

The roster contains the likes of Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, and Ty Warren on the DL. Junior Seau and Teddy Bruschi as ILBs with size and power.

Phillips and our ILBs will get trucked.

Robinson and Wonnum are definitely OLB in the 3-4.

Willikes and Jones might be asked to lose or gain weight to find a role. I hope Willikes finds a role. The guy hustles and is relentless.


Right now I would say our starters would be Philips and Watts at DE, Tomlinson at NT, OLBs Hunter and Smith, ILB Hicks and Kendricks


Normally you would only have 1 of those guys (34 OLB) on the field at a time. Doesn't smell right.


So you'd have 3 ILBs in a 3-4?


You don't normally have 2 "hand in the dirt" type DEs on the field at a time as OLBs in a 3-4. That's like fielding a "hand in the dirt" type DE as one of ypur 3 LBers in a 4-3.


Both guys are ferocious pass rushers, but both are also very good against the run. They're kind of exactly what you want at OLB. It's a lot easier to shift your blocking if you know which guy is coming on every snap.


In passing situations (which most plays are nowadays), you are going to have 5 non pass defenders on the field? OLB/DE/NT/DE/OLB? Normally on pass plays you drop an OLB in favor of an additional DB. I'm wondering if the plan is to have one of these guys (probably Hunter) line up as one of our DEs.



in nickel a 3-4 goes to 4 d-linemen, 2 lb's and 5 db's....


Same as 4-3, IMO I don't see Zed and Hunter not both being on the field in passing situations as part of our pass rushing front 4, as opposed to one or both being on the field as pass defenders, or not being on the field at all.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/24/2022 10:17:34 PM)

Given their contracts, they - or any of the cap eaters - better be on the field for three downs. Preferably, three and outs.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/25/2022 2:47:20 AM)

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hunter and zd-smith have been accounted for on spotract....

zd-smith's cap hit is only $3.2mm in '22, with a $6.4mm dead cap....

with thielen's new deal still not accounted for we are $12mm under the cap - so probably more like $18mm under...plenty to sign a center and CB....



ProFootballTalk@ProFootballTalk
Described as a three-year, $42 million contract, the Za'Darius Smith deal in Minnesota is more like one year at $9.5 million. At most, it's two years, $22 million. It has a phony third year at $20 million.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/25/2022 2:48:03 AM)

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many agree that there's a $6.2mm cap hit this season, but spotrac has it at $3.2, with a $6.4mm dead cap...we can cut him after this season with $3mm dead money, or keep him with a $14mm 2023 cap hit....



Nick Olson@NickOlsonNFL
Full terms of Za'Darius Smith's contract here. Smith will carry just a $6.2M cap hit this year.

Very team friendly, with high per game roster bonuses (that don't get paid if Smith misses games) and very limited guarantees — Smith can be cut after this year and still save $15M.




Mark Anderson -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/25/2022 8:59:25 AM)

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many agree that there's a $6.2mm cap hit this season, but spotrac has it at $3.2, with a $6.4mm dead cap...we can cut him after this season with $3mm dead money, or keep him with a $14mm 2023 cap hit....



Nick Olson@NickOlsonNFL
Full terms of Za'Darius Smith's contract here. Smith will carry just a $6.2M cap hit this year.

Very team friendly, with high per game roster bonuses (that don't get paid if Smith misses games) and very limited guarantees — Smith can be cut after this year and still save $15M.

Good Job KAM




Phil Riewer -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/25/2022 9:13:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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many agree that there's a $6.2mm cap hit this season, but spotrac has it at $3.2, with a $6.4mm dead cap...we can cut him after this season with $3mm dead money, or keep him with a $14mm 2023 cap hit....



Nick Olson@NickOlsonNFL
Full terms of Za'Darius Smith's contract here. Smith will carry just a $6.2M cap hit this year.

Very team friendly, with high per game roster bonuses (that don't get paid if Smith misses games) and very limited guarantees — Smith can be cut after this year and still save $15M.

Good Job KAM


Yepper; those naysayers were pretty quiet after the details came out....Around 16 Million to spend yet.....rumor is that the slot corner visiting will get 2 million/year if he signs.

Arif and Star Sports were just accusing Kwesi of being the same as the previous b4 the numbers were out. This again is basically the beginning of FA and the offseason---have to always jump the gun.




Mark Anderson -> RE: 2022 Free Agency (3/25/2022 9:19:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

CB coming in for a visit this Friday.

Chandon Sullivan(Packers)

10th ranked slot last year. Mac was 35th

Were there only 35 slot CBs?[:'(]




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