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Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 10:42:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Mannion must be exceptional at helping Kirk practice saying the plays out loud. Look out NFL! nice shot, feel better? It wouldn't be a day ending in 'y' without Ricky attacking a poster rather than a post. Skol, my friend. BS! What a hypocrite. That shot was at me and you know it! My firend? Not in the least. It was a shot at Kirk Cousins and his limited ability to learn things. Limited ability to learn things? Didn't he lead us to a 13-4 record last year with bad oline and defense? He has to play perfect for us to win.........I guess that may be hard for almost any qb.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 11:13:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Mannion must be exceptional at helping Kirk practice saying the plays out loud. Look out NFL! nice shot, feel better? It wouldn't be a day ending in 'y' without Ricky attacking a poster rather than a post. Skol, my friend. BS! What a hypocrite. That shot was at me and you know it! My firend? Not in the least. It was a shot at Kirk Cousins and his limited ability to learn things. Limited ability to "learn things" and the example is 'cause he uses a memory technique of saying things out loud which I defended as valid specifically to you? Show me an example where I've attacked a poster who didnt critizse or attack someone else first How about I show you where I responded and agreed that the technique is valid? The techique is valid. I just believe a 12-year starter should be advanced beyond that. Here's my reply from a few days ago. I have no qualm with his desire to improve himself and I believe it’s a great technique. Where I’m at, is that he should be beyond that at this point. It’s year eleven or twelve for this guy. He’s still on a very basic and rudimentary level of preparation. It shows in the game when things get complicated. Now kindly get your panties out of their bunch so we can continue some semblance of a rational discussion. Thank you.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 11:33:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Mannion must be exceptional at helping Kirk practice saying the plays out loud. Look out NFL! nice shot, feel better? It wouldn't be a day ending in 'y' without Ricky attacking a poster rather than a post. Skol, my friend. BS! What a hypocrite. That shot was at me and you know it! My firend? Not in the least. It was a shot at Kirk Cousins and his limited ability to learn things. Limited ability to "learn things" and the example is 'cause he uses a memory technique of saying things out loud which I defended as valid specifically to you? Show me an example where I've attacked a poster who didnt critizse or attack someone else first How about I show you where I responded and agreed that the technique is valid? The techique is valid. I just believe a 12-year starter should be advanced beyond that. Here's my reply from a few days ago. I have no qualm with his desire to improve himself and I believe it’s a great technique. Where I’m at, is that he should be beyond that at this point. It’s year eleven or twelve for this guy. He’s still on a very basic and rudimentary level of preparation. It shows in the game when things get complicated. Now kindly get your panties out of their bunch so we can continue some semblance of a rational discussion. Thank you. FU

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 11:39:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Mannion must be exceptional at helping Kirk practice saying the plays out loud. Look out NFL! good one. It's weird because when the pressure is on, Cousins resorts to covering the ear holes in his helmet. Somewhere in all that is a good speak no evil, hear no evil analogy. It might be the potty talk on the field. Or trying to drown out the chariot noises of the Egyptians behind him. “And in addition, I do believe that the Lord — at least in my life — He likes to use one-year contracts, not long-term contracts, if you will,” Cousins said. “He likes to take me to the edge of the Red Sea, and have me see there’s water in front of me, there’s mountains on either side, and there’s the Egyptians chasing me from behind, and He wants me to sit there for a moment and go ‘God, you better show up.’ And then He parts the Red Sea. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/09/06/kirk-cousins-has-a-new-old-testament-anecdote-to-explain-his-contract-position/

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 12:06:07 PM)
Limited ability to learn things? Didn't he lead us to a 13-4 record last year with bad oline and defense? He has to play perfect for us to win.........I guess that may be hard for almost any qb. He wouldn't need to play perfect if he got early leads. You get early leads, and it makes it more likely your defense gets pressure and turnovers, and it better enables you to run the ball. Did Mahomes play perfectly last Sunday ? Seeing a low scoring game at halftime, he took the game over in the 3rd quarter, while Cousins floundered in the 3rd.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 12:07:29 PM)
Clearly, Cousins lives on a different planet. I myself don't believe Cousins is dumb at all. Just slow to process. And odd.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 12:27:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Clearly, Cousins lives on a different planet. I myself don't believe Cousins is dumb at all. Just slow to process. And odd. When you need to spell it out to him to go spike the ball as time is running down there's an issue. I watch a lot of high school ball and those kids don't seem to have a problem with the concept.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 12:37:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Clearly, Cousins lives on a different planet. I myself don't believe Cousins is dumb at all. Just slow to process. And odd. When you need to spell it out to him to go spike the ball as time is running down there's an issue. I watch a lot of high school ball and those kids don't seem to have a problem with the concept. My argument is, if you give him 5 minutes to filter through the internal voices, he would eventually spike the ball. I have called him 'as sharp as a marble' but that was unfair and out of frustration. He didn't deserve that. IMO he's slow-witted, not dim-witted.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 12:39:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Clearly, Cousins lives on a different planet. I myself don't believe Cousins is dumb at all. Just slow to process. And odd. When you need to spell it out to him to go spike the ball as time is running down there's an issue. I watch a lot of high school ball and those kids don't seem to have a problem with the concept. My argument is, if you give him 5 minutes to filter through the internal voices, he would eventually spike the ball. I have called him 'as sharp as a marble' but that was unfair and out of frustration. He didn't deserve that. IMO he's slow-witted, not dim-witted. I don't even know if he's slow witted. Just seems in frantic situations he malfunctions. Some are built for those moments some are not. To be fair he seemed to be much better last year in those moments. Now it's back to the regularly scheduled program.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 12:56:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Clearly, Cousins lives on a different planet. I myself don't believe Cousins is dumb at all. Just slow to process. And odd. When you need to spell it out to him to go spike the ball as time is running down there's an issue. I watch a lot of high school ball and those kids don't seem to have a problem with the concept. My argument is, if you give him 5 minutes to filter through the internal voices, he would eventually spike the ball. I have called him 'as sharp as a marble' but that was unfair and out of frustration. He didn't deserve that. IMO he's slow-witted, not dim-witted. I don't even know if he's slow witted. Just seems in frantic situations he malfunctions. Some are built for those moments some are not. To be fair he seemed to be much better last year in those moments. Now it's back to the regularly scheduled program. Yes, its a fair point. The OL is performing better than last year, we've exchanged Thielen for Addison and Cook full-time for Mattison full-time. We've added Oliver. The Cousins group kept saying how much better KC would be with the same OC two years in a row ... oops ... not so. He is definitely playing more tentative. Hockensen has regressed as well. The turnovers have been killers. The mojo has evaporated. Kirk always gets too much blame from the anti-crowd and too much credit from the pro-crowd ... but I think you are absolutely right, KC looks much more like the 2021 version than the 2022 vesion.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 1:13:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Clearly, Cousins lives on a different planet. I myself don't believe Cousins is dumb at all. Just slow to process. And odd. When you need to spell it out to him to go spike the ball as time is running down there's an issue. I watch a lot of high school ball and those kids don't seem to have a problem with the concept. My argument is, if you give him 5 minutes to filter through the internal voices, he would eventually spike the ball. I have called him 'as sharp as a marble' but that was unfair and out of frustration. He didn't deserve that. IMO he's slow-witted, not dim-witted. My apologies for a personal aside but ... because its something that often crosses my mind ... is that criticism over the top / are you smart enough to to call someone else 'slow-witted'? The answer is no, not smart enough, obviously. But I do believe its my right, as a devoted fan of this team to praise or joke about or insult the QB of the Vikings. Or any fan of any team. These people make billions off of our interest. I believe that Cousins is probably a very decent fellow off the field. I would never tear into him or anybody else not named Trump in a social media space that might actually be heard. Onwards ...

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 3:46:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Clearly, Cousins lives on a different planet. I myself don't believe Cousins is dumb at all. Just slow to process. And odd. When you need to spell it out to him to go spike the ball as time is running down there's an issue. I watch a lot of high school ball and those kids don't seem to have a problem with the concept. My argument is, if you give him 5 minutes to filter through the internal voices, he would eventually spike the ball. I have called him 'as sharp as a marble' but that was unfair and out of frustration. He didn't deserve that. IMO he's slow-witted, not dim-witted. I don't even know if he's slow witted. Just seems in frantic situations he malfunctions. Some are built for those moments some are not. To be fair he seemed to be much better last year in those moments. Now it's back to the regularly scheduled program. BINGO! That is the crux of it. He's Alex Smith with a slightly better arm. Even at 13-4, KFC had a QBR that was his lowest (by a fair amount) as a Viking. Everybody got in on the anomaly last year.

Nate -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 5:32:49 PM)
I think it's because Kirk is a massive planner before he can become the executor of said plan. He plans his days in small increments (or his wife does) and the structured nature of football (meeting times, study times, eat/sleep times, practice, travel, etc) gives him solace. Basically he needs a daily itinerary to function at a high level. All the mental visualization and positivity coaching is good but he's not a real-time, on the fly type of guy. Some thrive in chaos, some freeze, he's the ice man, a wedding planner with a golden arm. Has there been any noise about playing on the US Bank field? Kelce went down in a non-contact way (though he was hurt before) and then Jefferson came up lame on a cut. Seems like some fluke injuries but maybe there's more to it? I haven't heard any complaints, just seems odd. I was worried that the toxic positivity of last year's new regime might ring flat this year. Maybe they are all loving the vibe and each other still but I think the participation trophies of last year didn't carry to far over to this year. I re-watched the KC game and still get infuriated with wasting TOs because they can't get the play in, or are confused on alignment, or do a dumb situational challenge. Despite seemingly getting jobbed by the refs at the end, we may as well keep the draft dreams alive, especially with JJ out :(. Watching the college QBs last week there are a few that are pretty interesting. After Caleb, there is a shuffle between the next 4-5 but even if we don't win the Caleb powerball we can still pick up a potential dandy. I hope our scouting and drafting improve a ton, if KAM blows next year he's gotta go.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 5:51:06 PM)
He said he plans his days. In 15 minute increments. The wife and he must have a hell of a sexual relationship [&o]

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 7:18:49 PM)
Will Ragatz@WillRagatz Oct 11 #Vikings just made it official. Justin Jefferson and Nick Mullens to IR, Trishton Jackson and N'Keal Harry to the active roster. Sean Mannion, Troy Fumagalli, and Dan Chisena have been added to the practice squad. Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer Oct 11 Kevin O'Connell on Jordan Addison: "He was one of my favorite players I evaluated in the draft. ... Since then it's been positive after positive outside of driving a little fast one time. My expectation is we hit the gas with Jordan this weekend. No pun intended."

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/12/2023 11:50:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nate I think it's because Kirk is a massive planner before he can become the executor of said plan. He plans his days in small increments (or his wife does) and the structured nature of football (meeting times, study times, eat/sleep times, practice, travel, etc) gives him solace. Basically he needs a daily itinerary to function at a high level. All the mental visualization and positivity coaching is good but he's not a real-time, on the fly type of guy. Some thrive in chaos, some freeze, he's the ice man, a wedding planner with a golden arm. Has there been any noise about playing on the US Bank field? Kelce went down in a non-contact way (though he was hurt before) and then Jefferson came up lame on a cut. Seems like some fluke injuries but maybe there's more to it? I haven't heard any complaints, just seems odd. I was worried that the toxic positivity of last year's new regime might ring flat this year. Maybe they are all loving the vibe and each other still but I think the participation trophies of last year didn't carry to far over to this year. I re-watched the KC game and still get infuriated with wasting TOs because they can't get the play in, or are confused on alignment, or do a dumb situational challenge. Despite seemingly getting jobbed by the refs at the end, we may as well keep the draft dreams alive, especially with JJ out :(. Watching the college QBs last week there are a few that are pretty interesting. After Caleb, there is a shuffle between the next 4-5 but even if we don't win the Caleb powerball we can still pick up a potential dandy. I hope our scouting and drafting improve a ton, if KAM blows next year he's gotta go. The Kelce brother have a podcast (and it's pretty entertaining, imo). They talked about it. In general, Travis doesn't like turf (Jason really hates it)... but didn't slam Banks turf for being any worse than others. Said he rolled his ankle and turf can kind of catch your cleats where grass it would give. Said basically he has to adjust how he makes moves when playing on turf. It was interesting to get detailed player explanation on it.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/13/2023 10:48:49 AM)
The balance of salary cap hit vs quality of QB is something every NFL team deals with. How many truly have it figured out? 49ers, for now (by luck but they got it) Kansas City, I think Mahomes might be the only QB in the league you can pay big money to and still be able to pay enough other talent to win. Everybody else, it seems needs, to get white hot in the playoffs or they are waiting the dump the QB they wish they never paid (Denver and Giants are the biggest examples of this). Kwesi will be defined by his hand picked QB of the future, based on history, that seems to be more about luck than analysis. I keep thinking this cycle of " It's his turn pay him " will end at some point. Then you see what the Giants gave Jones, makes no sense, nobody was going to come in and pay him that.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/13/2023 11:01:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall The balance of salary cap hit vs quality of QB is something every NFL team deals with. How many truly have it figured out? 49ers, for now (by luck but they got it) Kansas City, I think Mahomes might be the only QB in the league you can pay big money to and still be able to pay enough other talent to win. Everybody else, it seems needs, to get white hot in the playoffs or they are waiting the dump the QB they wish they never paid (Denver and Giants are the biggest examples of this). Kwesi will be defined by his hand picked QB of the future, based on history, that seems to be more about luck than analysis. I keep thinking this cycle of " It's his turn pay him " will end at some point. Then you see what the Giants gave Jones, makes no sense, nobody was going to come in and pay him that. Everybody on the planet except the Giants GM and owners knew that Jones wasn't worth anything near what he would end up getting. and he got far more than most expected. That was pure dumbfuckery right there. Wilson at least had a history of success before he got the giant contract in Denver. The problem is, he aged. quickly. what he used to do well, avoid getting sacked and run around until someone got open doesn't work anymore because he can't escape like he used to. I actually would be fine if we could acquire Wilson if we didn't have to absorb any of his contract into our salary cap.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/13/2023 11:17:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall The balance of salary cap hit vs quality of QB is something every NFL team deals with. How many truly have it figured out? 49ers, for now (by luck but they got it) Kansas City, I think Mahomes might be the only QB in the league you can pay big money to and still be able to pay enough other talent to win. Everybody else, it seems needs, to get white hot in the playoffs or they are waiting the dump the QB they wish they never paid (Denver and Giants are the biggest examples of this). Kwesi will be defined by his hand picked QB of the future, based on history, that seems to be more about luck than analysis. I keep thinking this cycle of " It's his turn pay him " will end at some point. Then you see what the Giants gave Jones, makes no sense, nobody was going to come in and pay him that. Everybody on the planet except the Giants GM and owners knew that Jones wasn't worth anything near what he would end up getting. and he got far more than most expected. That was pure dumbfuckery right there. Wilson at least had a history of success before he got the giant contract in Denver. The problem is, he aged. quickly. what he used to do well, avoid getting sacked and run around until someone got open doesn't work anymore because he can't escape like he used to. I actually would be fine if we could acquire Wilson if we didn't have to absorb any of his contract into our salary cap. Wilson was at his best when he used his legs to buy time, not sure he has the ability or stomach to do that anymore. I think he is done.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/13/2023 11:33:42 AM)
Teams that have their QB and have a chance at a Super Bowl for this year and possibly more years: Miami - Tua Buffalo - Josh Allen Baltimore - LamJack Cincinnati - Burrow Jacksonville - TLaw Kansas City - Mahomes LA Chargers - Herbert Philly - Hurts San Fran - Purdy Teams that have recently taken a chance and that chance remains to be seen: Jets - Aaron Rodgers Browns - Watson Colts - Richardson Texans - Stroud Carolina - Bryce Young Detroit - Jared Goff Teams that appear to have a failed try: New England - Mac Jones Pittsburgh - Pickett Tennessee - Tannehill Denver - Mr. Unlimited Dallas - Dak Arizona - Murray Minnesota - Cousins Chicago - Fields Green Bay - Love Teams that don't appear to even be trying: Washington - Sam Howell? Atlanta - Desmond RIdder? Las Vegas - Not even sure who their qb is New Orleans - Also don't know who their QB is Weird Ducks Seattle - Is Geno Smith working out? La Rams - It worked but now it's not working but by golly it worked so everything is fine? I'd be fine if I had a recent championship. Tampa - See LA Rams

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/13/2023 11:49:01 AM)
Good Lord I forgot the NY Giants which was the reason I made the list to begin with. NYG filed under a failed try. We could be nice and put them in the 'remains to be seen' category but it doesn't look good.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/13/2023 11:55:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall The balance of salary cap hit vs quality of QB is something every NFL team deals with. How many truly have it figured out? 49ers, for now (by luck but they got it) Kansas City, I think Mahomes might be the only QB in the league you can pay big money to and still be able to pay enough other talent to win. Everybody else, it seems needs, to get white hot in the playoffs or they are waiting the dump the QB they wish they never paid (Denver and Giants are the biggest examples of this). Kwesi will be defined by his hand picked QB of the future, based on history, that seems to be more about luck than analysis. I keep thinking this cycle of " It's his turn pay him " will end at some point. Then you see what the Giants gave Jones, makes no sense, nobody was going to come in and pay him that. Everybody on the planet except the Giants GM and owners knew that Jones wasn't worth anything near what he would end up getting. and he got far more than most expected. That was pure dumbfuckery right there. Wilson at least had a history of success before he got the giant contract in Denver. The problem is, he aged. quickly. what he used to do well, avoid getting sacked and run around until someone got open doesn't work anymore because he can't escape like he used to. I actually would be fine if we could acquire Wilson if we didn't have to absorb any of his contract into our salary cap. Wilson was at his best when he used his legs to buy time, not sure he has the ability or stomach to do that anymore. I think he is done. Isnt' that what I said about him lacking the ability to escape now? Better targets here would allow him to succeed again albeit for a short time. Denver clearly is NOT his place to be.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/13/2023 11:56:10 AM)
Vegas has Garoppolo - who at this point is basically "What if Kirk Cousins had a little more Playoff success, but couldn't stay healthy?"

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/13/2023 11:56:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Teams that have their QB and have a chance at a Super Bowl for this year and possibly more years: Miami - Tua Buffalo - Josh Allen Baltimore - LamJack Cincinnati - Burrow Jacksonville - TLaw Kansas City - Mahomes LA Chargers - Herbert Philly - Hurts San Fran - Purdy Teams that have recently taken a chance and that chance remains to be seen: Jets - Aaron Rodgers Browns - Watson Colts - Richardson Texans - Stroud Carolina - Bryce Young Detroit - Jared Goff Teams that appear to have a failed try: New England - Mac Jones Pittsburgh - Pickett Tennessee - Tannehill Denver - Mr. Unlimited Dallas - Dak Arizona - Murray Minnesota - Cousins Chicago - Fields Green Bay - Love Teams that don't appear to even be trying: Washington - Sam Howell? Atlanta - Desmond RIdder? Las Vegas - Not even sure who their qb is New Orleans - Also don't know who their QB is Weird Ducks Seattle - Is Geno Smith working out? La Rams - It worked but now it's not working but by golly it worked so everything is fine? I'd be fine if I had a recent championship. Tampa - See LA Rams The big question is, does the window truly stay wide open when the QB "Gets Paid". I find it all fascinating, I enjoy watching San Fran and KC the most. They seem to make offense look so easy when it's needed. Baltimore and Buffalo seem to need their QBs to take a pounding to win at a high level. Baltimore already seems to be regressing.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/13/2023 12:10:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall The balance of salary cap hit vs quality of QB is something every NFL team deals with. How many truly have it figured out? 49ers, for now (by luck but they got it) Kansas City, I think Mahomes might be the only QB in the league you can pay big money to and still be able to pay enough other talent to win. Everybody else, it seems needs, to get white hot in the playoffs or they are waiting the dump the QB they wish they never paid (Denver and Giants are the biggest examples of this). Kwesi will be defined by his hand picked QB of the future, based on history, that seems to be more about luck than analysis. I keep thinking this cycle of " It's his turn pay him " will end at some point. Then you see what the Giants gave Jones, makes no sense, nobody was going to come in and pay him that. Everybody on the planet except the Giants GM and owners knew that Jones wasn't worth anything near what he would end up getting. and he got far more than most expected. That was pure dumbfuckery right there. Wilson at least had a history of success before he got the giant contract in Denver. The problem is, he aged. quickly. what he used to do well, avoid getting sacked and run around until someone got open doesn't work anymore because he can't escape like he used to. I actually would be fine if we could acquire Wilson if we didn't have to absorb any of his contract into our salary cap. Wilson was at his best when he used his legs to buy time, not sure he has the ability or stomach to do that anymore. I think he is done. Isnt' that what I said about him lacking the ability to escape now? Better targets here would allow him to succeed again albeit for a short time. Denver clearly is NOT his place to be. You said: 'what he used to do well, he can't do anymore. But that you'd be fine acquiring him anyway without his current contract.' He said: 'what he used to do well, he can't do anymore. He's done' (implying he's done). 2 vastly different positions.

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