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Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/22/2023 12:40:52 PM)
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McNabb, Goff, Newton, Burrow, Hurts, Kap, Delhomme? Jimmy G was a backup. More like they were in the SB.
But it does show some of the low round guys like Brad Johnson were more game manager types.
McNabb, Goff, Newton, Burrow, Hurts, Kap, Delhomme all started in a superbowl.
Jimmy G started in a superbowl and lost to Mahomes.
Your original posit (thanks Dan) was, "Superbowl winners from last 20 years". You missed.
Yes... should have said "superbowl QBs"...
YOU GOT ME!!!!!
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Wasn't really trying to get you. It was just a little confusing.
Interesting topic though. There are some really good QB's that never won a Super Bowl. There are a few mediocre QB's that won a Super Bowl. Eli Manning won as many as his brother and I don't think it's close as to which one was a better QB. Fouts, Marino, Moon never won one, but I definitely think they were capable to do so. I don't think most teams today would trade their QB for Super Bowl winner Trent Dilfer in his prime.
Eli Manning and Jim McMahon each won two. I don't think either of them were great QB's, even relative to their era.
The game has changed though and it seems unlikely that you can win a Super Bowl today with a mediocre QB.
Yeah, Fouts was on a loaded team. Looked it up and interestingly his career TD-Int ratio is around 50-50. His best year was in 1981 but the Chargers lost to the Raiders in the AFCCS. Marginal Jim Plunkett was their QB, but they had that defense full of crazies like Matuszak, Sistrunk, Ted Hendricks. Plus some still good vets and other players like Rod Martin. They beat Jaworski's Eagles in the SB, a SB where one fairly non-descript QB was going to get a win.
Soon after, the 49ers era began. Montana with four rings, IMO the epitome of "It". They beat Marino's Dolphins along the way in Marino's first full season where he was league MVP. The Lawrence Taylor led Giants were in the mix as well (Simms has two SB wins).
McMahon and Dilfer IMO get an asterisk because their teams had all-time defenses. Agree on Eli Manning to an extent, but he was money when it counted. That is greatness (although a couple of WRs made some crazy catches).
The TD/INT ratio of yesteryear definitely has context. Look at Archie Manning for example.
Back in the day, you could absolutely maul the QB without fear of a flag. Defensive backs could (almost) ragdoll a WR on every route, without penalty. Pass catchers had to protect themselves going over the middle, the rules weren't going to save them. The vast majority of teams played outside. The rules of the game did a 180 in favor of offense/passing and recently safety. I think it was probably really hard to be a great QB (with good stats) back in the Fouts era.
Dilfer and McMahon definitely do get the asterisk. It's difficult to imagine a defense today that could be as dominant as those two.
Eli's body of work wasn't impressive to me, but you're right, somehow he came through when it mattered most and that's a big something.
Montana and Brady blocked some very good QB's from the ultimate prize.
In conclusion, I want a new QB.
Just on the surface I would have expected Fouts to have a better TD-Int ratio. Turns out he had some crappy initial years, and a couple of lousy ones at the end of his career. When he was 'good', his stats were reflective of a top passer in his era with one really good year. Good list, and back in the day even the DE headslap probably took its toll on OTs.
Awesome conclusion! Lamar Jackson just threw a TD after an Eli-like escape from the pocket where he bought 9.8 seconds to throw. Like night and day compared to the MV statue.
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