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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

On the QB issue.

This list shows that drafting a QB high gives you a better chance than not of getting a good one, but at the same time is a motherfucker of crapshoot.


2023 Bryce Young 1
CJ Stroud 2
Anthony Richardson 4
Will Levis 33
Hendon Hooker 68
Aidan O'Connell 135
2022 Kenny Pickett 20
Desmond Ridder 74
Malik Willis 86
Matt Corral 94
Bailey Zappe 137
Sam Howell 144
Brock Purdy 262
2021 Trevor Lawrence 1
Zach Wilson 2
Trey Lance 3
Justin Fields 11
Mac Jones 15
Kyle Trask 64
Kellen Mond 66
Davis Mills 67
Sam Ehlinger 218
2020 Joe Burrow 1
Tua Tagovailoa 5
Justin Herbert 6
Jordan Love 26
Jalen Hurts 53
2019 Kyler Murray 1
Daniel Jones 6
Dwayne Haskins 15
Drew Lock 42
Will Grier 100
Jarrett Stidham 133
Easton Stick 166
Gardner Minshew 178
2018 Baker Mayfield 1
Sam Darnold 3
Josh Allen 7
Josh Rosen 10
Lamar Jackson 32
Mason Rudolph 76
Mike White 171
2017 Mitchell Trubisky 2
Patrick Mahomes 10
Deshaun Watson 12
Joshua Dobbs 135
2016 Jared Goff 1
Carson Wentz 2
Paxton Lynch 26
Christian Hackenberg 51
Jacoby Brissett 91
Cody Kessler 93
Connor Cook 100
Dak Prescott 135
2015 Jameis Winston 1
Marcus Mariota 2
Garret Grayson 75
Sean Mannion 89
Brett Hundley 147
Trevor Siemian 250
2014 Blake Bortles 3
Johnny Manziel 22
Teddy Bridgewater 32
Derek Carr 36
Jimmy Garapolo 62
A J McCarron 164
2013 E J Manuel 16
Geno Smith 39
Mike Glennon 73
Matt Barkley 98

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

The competitive rebuild was the wrong course of action and I was strongly in favor of a tear down. We did get to enjoy an entertaining yet hollow 13-4 season last year, all the while knowing we weren't good enough to win the SB with that team.

We've wasted 2 years of JJ and are further away from competing for a SB.

Not only are the cupboards pretty bare for next year, but we're paying a lot of dead cap.

We have maybe 5 guys under team control that other teams would covet and they are all on offense.

I love JJ, but we need to use that asset to kickstart the rebuild. Instead of paying him and Darrisaw big time extensions get some draft capital for them and anyone else that is tradeable. Tear it down to the studs and start by building quality OL and DL. I'm tired of being dominated in the trenches all the time.

Go 1-16 next year with Hall and Mullens as your QB and draft #1 overall in 2025. Get your QB and skill positions go from there, should have a bunch of FA money at that point too to fill in the gaps. You probably draft petty high again in 2026 as the new QB has some growing pains, but 2027 and beyond you should be very competitive if the GM and scouts did their jobs. (Hopefully not Queasy)

We are position to get a QBOTF this draft. Why wait?

Like Bill says, sit out FA and get dead cap in order.

By 2025, hopefully we have QBOTF and cap room.

Do you want the 3rd or 4th best QB on the board, because that's all you're getting in the 8-12 range that we're projected at. I'd rather wait a year and have the best guy that year. If you get the QB this year and still suck because the rest of the roster is bad, you not only run the risk of ruining your QBOTF, but you burn a year of his rookie scale contract for nothing.

You are making a couple of big assumptions:
1) You are assuming you can successfully tank to guarantee to get the "best" guy next year.
That could easily backfire... Vikes had the 3rd pick the year Andrew Luck came out... there was no QB available at 3.
2) You are assuming that 3rd/4th picked this year is WORSE than 1st guy picked next year. Mitch Tribisky was first guy picked at one point.
If this is a spectacular year of QBs (I don't know... but supposedly it is)... QBs this year might be better than next.

If there is a qb you like this year and he is available... you take him. IMO

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Here is the brilliant one re-riffing on tearing it down:

"That literally was a riff on the very question (a reporter) asked me, I want to say on our second press conference about team-building in the NBA vs. the NFL," he said. "So that was just a general conversation about why this is such a different exercise than the NBA. In that sport, you kinda do want to tear it down because you want the No. 1 pick. And I said the only thing that makes you nervous in the NFL that people are kinda coming to is the position of quarterback. You know what I mean?"

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

The competitive rebuild was the wrong course of action and I was strongly in favor of a tear down. We did get to enjoy an entertaining yet hollow 13-4 season last year, all the while knowing we weren't good enough to win the SB with that team.

We've wasted 2 years of JJ and are further away from competing for a SB.

Not only are the cupboards pretty bare for next year, but we're paying a lot of dead cap.

We have maybe 5 guys under team control that other teams would covet and they are all on offense.

I love JJ, but we need to use that asset to kickstart the rebuild. Instead of paying him and Darrisaw big time extensions get some draft capital for them and anyone else that is tradeable. Tear it down to the studs and start by building quality OL and DL. I'm tired of being dominated in the trenches all the time.

Go 1-16 next year with Hall and Mullens as your QB and draft #1 overall in 2025. Get your QB and skill positions go from there, should have a bunch of FA money at that point too to fill in the gaps. You probably draft petty high again in 2026 as the new QB has some growing pains, but 2027 and beyond you should be very competitive if the GM and scouts did their jobs. (Hopefully not Queasy)

We are position to get a QBOTF this draft. Why wait?

Like Bill says, sit out FA and get dead cap in order.

By 2025, hopefully we have QBOTF and cap room.

Do you want the 3rd or 4th best QB on the board, because that's all you're getting in the 8-12 range that we're projected at. I'd rather wait a year and have the best guy that year. If you get the QB this year and still suck because the rest of the roster is bad, you not only run the risk of ruining your QBOTF, but you burn a year of his rookie scale contract for nothing.

You are making a couple of big assumptions:
1) You are assuming you can successfully tank to guarantee to get the "best" guy next year.
That could easily backfire... Vikes had the 3rd pick the year Andrew Luck came out... there was no QB available at 3.
2) You are assuming that 3rd/4th picked this year is WORSE than 1st guy picked next year. Mitch Tribisky was first guy picked at one point.
If this is a spectacular year of QBs (I don't know... but supposedly it is)... QBs this year might be better than next.

If there is a qb you like this year and he is available... you take him. IMO

Next year we not not draft as high or have as many top QB prospect to choose from. I really think this is the year to go for it.

If they love someone like Daniels and he's there at say, pick 4 or 5, go up and get him!

Spend the rest of this and next year's draft, along with FA to fix the D and shore up the Oline.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

On the QB issue.

This list shows that drafting a QB high gives you a better chance than not of getting a good one, but at the same time is a motherfucker of crapshoot.


2023 Bryce Young 1
CJ Stroud 2
Anthony Richardson 4
Will Levis 33
Hendon Hooker 68
Aidan O'Connell 135
2022 Kenny Pickett 20
Desmond Ridder 74
Malik Willis 86
Matt Corral 94
Bailey Zappe 137
Sam Howell 144
Brock Purdy 262
2021 Trevor Lawrence 1
Zach Wilson 2
Trey Lance 3
Justin Fields 11
Mac Jones 15
Kyle Trask 64
Kellen Mond 66
Davis Mills 67
Sam Ehlinger 218
2020 Joe Burrow 1
Tua Tagovailoa 5
Justin Herbert 6
Jordan Love 26
Jalen Hurts 53
2019 Kyler Murray 1
Daniel Jones 6
Dwayne Haskins 15
Drew Lock 42
Will Grier 100
Jarrett Stidham 133
Easton Stick 166
Gardner Minshew 178
2018 Baker Mayfield 1
Sam Darnold 3
Josh Allen 7
Josh Rosen 10
Lamar Jackson 32
Mason Rudolph 76
Mike White 171
2017 Mitchell Trubisky 2
Patrick Mahomes 10
Deshaun Watson 12
Joshua Dobbs 135
2016 Jared Goff 1
Carson Wentz 2
Paxton Lynch 26
Christian Hackenberg 51
Jacoby Brissett 91
Cody Kessler 93
Connor Cook 100
Dak Prescott 135
2015 Jameis Winston 1
Marcus Mariota 2
Garret Grayson 75
Sean Mannion 89
Brett Hundley 147
Trevor Siemian 250
2014 Blake Bortles 3
Johnny Manziel 22
Teddy Bridgewater 32
Derek Carr 36
Jimmy Garapolo 62
A J McCarron 164
2013 E J Manuel 16
Geno Smith 39
Mike Glennon 73
Matt Barkley 98

So you have Burrow and maybe Lawrence as guys you would consider elite.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

On the QB issue.

This list shows that drafting a QB high gives you a better chance than not of getting a good one, but at the same time is a motherfucker of crapshoot.


2023 Bryce Young 1
CJ Stroud 2
Anthony Richardson 4
Will Levis 33
Hendon Hooker 68
Aidan O'Connell 135
2022 Kenny Pickett 20
Desmond Ridder 74
Malik Willis 86
Matt Corral 94
Bailey Zappe 137
Sam Howell 144
Brock Purdy 262
2021 Trevor Lawrence 1
Zach Wilson 2
Trey Lance 3
Justin Fields 11
Mac Jones 15
Kyle Trask 64
Kellen Mond 66
Davis Mills 67
Sam Ehlinger 218
2020 Joe Burrow 1
Tua Tagovailoa 5
Justin Herbert 6
Jordan Love 26
Jalen Hurts 53
2019 Kyler Murray 1
Daniel Jones 6
Dwayne Haskins 15
Drew Lock 42
Will Grier 100
Jarrett Stidham 133
Easton Stick 166
Gardner Minshew 178
2018 Baker Mayfield 1
Sam Darnold 3
Josh Allen 7
Josh Rosen 10
Lamar Jackson 32
Mason Rudolph 76
Mike White 171
2017 Mitchell Trubisky 2
Patrick Mahomes 10
Deshaun Watson 12
Joshua Dobbs 135
2016 Jared Goff 1
Carson Wentz 2
Paxton Lynch 26
Christian Hackenberg 51
Jacoby Brissett 91
Cody Kessler 93
Connor Cook 100
Dak Prescott 135
2015 Jameis Winston 1
Marcus Mariota 2
Garret Grayson 75
Sean Mannion 89
Brett Hundley 147
Trevor Siemian 250
2014 Blake Bortles 3
Johnny Manziel 22
Teddy Bridgewater 32
Derek Carr 36
Jimmy Garapolo 62
A J McCarron 164
2013 E J Manuel 16
Geno Smith 39
Mike Glennon 73
Matt Barkley 98

So you have Burrow and maybe Lawrence as guys you would consider elite.

Mahomes? Hurts? Lamar? Purdy has a chance. Justin Herbert also very very good.

EDIT - You probably were referring to just #1 overalls.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

On the QB issue.

This list shows that drafting a QB high gives you a better chance than not of getting a good one, but at the same time is a motherfucker of crapshoot.


2023 Bryce Young 1
CJ Stroud 2
Anthony Richardson 4
Will Levis 33
Hendon Hooker 68
Aidan O'Connell 135
2022 Kenny Pickett 20
Desmond Ridder 74
Malik Willis 86
Matt Corral 94
Bailey Zappe 137
Sam Howell 144
Brock Purdy 262
2021 Trevor Lawrence 1
Zach Wilson 2
Trey Lance 3
Justin Fields 11
Mac Jones 15
Kyle Trask 64
Kellen Mond 66
Davis Mills 67
Sam Ehlinger 218
2020 Joe Burrow 1
Tua Tagovailoa 5
Justin Herbert 6
Jordan Love 26
Jalen Hurts 53
2019 Kyler Murray 1
Daniel Jones 6
Dwayne Haskins 15
Drew Lock 42
Will Grier 100
Jarrett Stidham 133
Easton Stick 166
Gardner Minshew 178
2018 Baker Mayfield 1
Sam Darnold 3
Josh Allen 7
Josh Rosen 10
Lamar Jackson 32
Mason Rudolph 76
Mike White 171
2017 Mitchell Trubisky 2
Patrick Mahomes 10
Deshaun Watson 12
Joshua Dobbs 135
2016 Jared Goff 1
Carson Wentz 2
Paxton Lynch 26
Christian Hackenberg 51
Jacoby Brissett 91
Cody Kessler 93
Connor Cook 100
Dak Prescott 135
2015 Jameis Winston 1
Marcus Mariota 2
Garret Grayson 75
Sean Mannion 89
Brett Hundley 147
Trevor Siemian 250
2014 Blake Bortles 3
Johnny Manziel 22
Teddy Bridgewater 32
Derek Carr 36
Jimmy Garapolo 62
A J McCarron 164
2013 E J Manuel 16
Geno Smith 39
Mike Glennon 73
Matt Barkley 98

So you have Burrow and maybe Lawrence as guys you would consider elite.

Mahomes? Hurts? Lamar? Purdy has a chance. Justin Herbert also very very good.

EDIT - You probably were referring to just #1 overalls.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

On the QB issue.

This list shows that drafting a QB high gives you a better chance than not of getting a good one, but at the same time is a motherfucker of crapshoot.


2023 Bryce Young 1
CJ Stroud 2
Anthony Richardson 4
Will Levis 33
Hendon Hooker 68
Aidan O'Connell 135
2022 Kenny Pickett 20
Desmond Ridder 74
Malik Willis 86
Matt Corral 94
Bailey Zappe 137
Sam Howell 144
Brock Purdy 262
2021 Trevor Lawrence 1
Zach Wilson 2
Trey Lance 3
Justin Fields 11
Mac Jones 15
Kyle Trask 64
Kellen Mond 66
Davis Mills 67
Sam Ehlinger 218
2020 Joe Burrow 1
Tua Tagovailoa 5
Justin Herbert 6
Jordan Love 26
Jalen Hurts 53
2019 Kyler Murray 1
Daniel Jones 6
Dwayne Haskins 15
Drew Lock 42
Will Grier 100
Jarrett Stidham 133
Easton Stick 166
Gardner Minshew 178
2018 Baker Mayfield 1
Sam Darnold 3
Josh Allen 7
Josh Rosen 10
Lamar Jackson 32
Mason Rudolph 76
Mike White 171
2017 Mitchell Trubisky 2
Patrick Mahomes 10
Deshaun Watson 12
Joshua Dobbs 135
2016 Jared Goff 1
Carson Wentz 2
Paxton Lynch 26
Christian Hackenberg 51
Jacoby Brissett 91
Cody Kessler 93
Connor Cook 100
Dak Prescott 135
2015 Jameis Winston 1
Marcus Mariota 2
Garret Grayson 75
Sean Mannion 89
Brett Hundley 147
Trevor Siemian 250
2014 Blake Bortles 3
Johnny Manziel 22
Teddy Bridgewater 32
Derek Carr 36
Jimmy Garapolo 62
A J McCarron 164
2013 E J Manuel 16
Geno Smith 39
Mike Glennon 73
Matt Barkley 98

So you have Burrow and maybe Lawrence as guys you would consider elite.

Mahomes? Hurts? Lamar? Purdy has a chance. Justin Herbert also very very good.

EDIT - You probably were referring to just #1 overalls.

All I did was list some of the QBs taken and the number they were picked in the draft.

I consider elite what most people consider elite.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott



All I did was list some of the QBs taken and the number they were picked in the draft.

I consider elite what most people consider elite.

Spend a lot of time on that?

3 course meal, all salad.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott



All I did was list some of the QBs taken and the number they were picked in the draft.

I consider elite what most people consider elite.

Spend a lot of time on that?

3 course meal, all salad.

Seriously?

My post was simply to show you don't necessarily need a high draft pick to get a good QB. Some drafted high stink to high heaven. Some drafted low have been much better. Your chances are better using a higher draft pick, but, big reach here, that would be true of any position. In all it's a crapshoot. Let's not trade away our future just yet.

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Yes. I think a 2025 1st rounder and O'Neill gets you up there.

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Saw highlights of Penix... wow, what an arm.

Some players are just injury prone. Others like Robert Smith seem to take a while to get the injuries over with (an observation more than a proven thing).

2 torn ACLs in his right knee and season ending injuries to both shoulders.

He appears to be recovered from the throwing shoulder - no idea if it'll have any long-term effects.

You have to hope the ACLs are a fluke and not a sign that he's more prone to them.

Can he be that guy that is very mobile in the pocket to make up for not really using him as a running option?

Or like the eval alluded to, can he develop a pocket presence. An instinct. Just enough feet shuffling to stay out of danger. A lot of QBs never do. Tough one for the scouts to project, but that's their job.

I'm out on a young guy with multiple injury history. Take him in the late rounds, maybe. Not as a #1.

Not that young. He'll be 24 in his rookie season.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Saw highlights of Penix... wow, what an arm.

Some players are just injury prone. Others like Robert Smith seem to take a while to get the injuries over with (an observation more than a proven thing).

2 torn ACLs in his right knee and season ending injuries to both shoulders.

He appears to be recovered from the throwing shoulder - no idea if it'll have any long-term effects.

You have to hope the ACLs are a fluke and not a sign that he's more prone to them.

Can he be that guy that is very mobile in the pocket to make up for not really using him as a running option?

Or like the eval alluded to, can he develop a pocket presence. An instinct. Just enough feet shuffling to stay out of danger. A lot of QBs never do. Tough one for the scouts to project, but that's their job.

I'm out on a young guy with multiple injury history. Take him in the late rounds, maybe. Not as a #1.

Not that young. He'll be 24 in his rookie season.

[&o]
Even worse then isn't it.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Saw highlights of Penix... wow, what an arm.

Some players are just injury prone. Others like Robert Smith seem to take a while to get the injuries over with (an observation more than a proven thing).

2 torn ACLs in his right knee and season ending injuries to both shoulders.

He appears to be recovered from the throwing shoulder - no idea if it'll have any long-term effects.

You have to hope the ACLs are a fluke and not a sign that he's more prone to them.

Can he be that guy that is very mobile in the pocket to make up for not really using him as a running option?

Or like the eval alluded to, can he develop a pocket presence. An instinct. Just enough feet shuffling to stay out of danger. A lot of QBs never do. Tough one for the scouts to project, but that's their job.

I'm out on a young guy with multiple injury history. Take him in the late rounds, maybe. Not as a #1.

Not that young. He'll be 24 in his rookie season.

[&o]
Even worse then isn't it.

Or it means he's significantly more NFL ready.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Who thinks we are only a rookie QB from being a SB contender next year?

You are all missing the larger point of my 2 year plan. We have many holes. Drafting your favorite QB choice in the 8-12 range this year doesn't do him a bit of good and wastes a year of his rookie scale contract.

I will agree that if the scouts say next year there are no QB's as good as this year's option, go for it, but it's still a bigger rebuild than that.

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At the risk of being called quick trigger, bstinger, you’re fired. I’d like to announce the new Vikings GM - Tom Sykes.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Who thinks we are only a rookie QB from being a SB contender next year?

You are all missing the larger point of my 2 year plan. We have many holes. Drafting your favorite QB choice in the 8-12 range this year doesn't do him a bit of good and wastes a year of his rookie scale contract.

I will agree that if the scouts say next year there are no QB's as good as this year's option, go for it, but it's still a bigger rebuild than that.

What does a rookie QB have to do with contending next year? Nobody suggested that.

Rookie contract? The treatment of the Uygurs in Mongolia has more to do with our QB situation.

First find a QB. Yesterday. End of story.

Not tomorrow for God sakes.

You want to waste time and resources setting the table for next year's chicken salad. What if Queasy goes vegetarian this year?

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

The competitive rebuild was the wrong course of action and I was strongly in favor of a tear down. We did get to enjoy an entertaining yet hollow 13-4 season last year, all the while knowing we weren't good enough to win the SB with that team.

We've wasted 2 years of JJ and are further away from competing for a SB.

Not only are the cupboards pretty bare for next year, but we're paying a lot of dead cap.

We have maybe 5 guys under team control that other teams would covet and they are all on offense.

I love JJ, but we need to use that asset to kickstart the rebuild. Instead of paying him and Darrisaw big time extensions get some draft capital for them and anyone else that is tradeable. Tear it down to the studs and start by building quality OL and DL. I'm tired of being dominated in the trenches all the time.

Go 1-16 next year with Hall and Mullens as your QB and draft #1 overall in 2025. Get your QB and skill positions go from there, should have a bunch of FA money at that point too to fill in the gaps. You probably draft petty high again in 2026 as the new QB has some growing pains, but 2027 and beyond you should be very competitive if the GM and scouts did their jobs. (Hopefully not Queasy)

We are position to get a QBOTF this draft. Why wait?

Like Bill says, sit out FA and get dead cap in order.

By 2025, hopefully we have QBOTF and cap room.

Do you want the 3rd or 4th best QB on the board, because that's all you're getting in the 8-12 range that we're projected at. I'd rather wait a year and have the best guy that year. If you get the QB this year and still suck because the rest of the roster is bad, you not only run the risk of ruining your QBOTF, but you burn a year of his rookie scale contract for nothing.

You are making a couple of big assumptions:
1) You are assuming you can successfully tank to guarantee to get the "best" guy next year.
That could easily backfire... Vikes had the 3rd pick the year Andrew Luck came out... there was no QB available at 3.
2) You are assuming that 3rd/4th picked this year is WORSE than 1st guy picked next year. Mitch Tribisky was first guy picked at one point.
If this is a spectacular year of QBs (I don't know... but supposedly it is)... QBs this year might be better than next.

If there is a qb you like this year and he is available... you take him. IMO

Next year we not not draft as high or have as many top QB prospect to choose from. I really think this is the year to go for it.

If they love someone like Daniels and he's there at say, pick 4 or 5, go up and get him!

Spend the rest of this and next year's draft, along with FA to fix the D and shore up the Oline.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Saw highlights of Penix... wow, what an arm.

Some players are just injury prone. Others like Robert Smith seem to take a while to get the injuries over with (an observation more than a proven thing).

2 torn ACLs in his right knee and season ending injuries to both shoulders.

He appears to be recovered from the throwing shoulder - no idea if it'll have any long-term effects.

You have to hope the ACLs are a fluke and not a sign that he's more prone to them.

Can he be that guy that is very mobile in the pocket to make up for not really using him as a running option?

Or like the eval alluded to, can he develop a pocket presence. An instinct. Just enough feet shuffling to stay out of danger. A lot of QBs never do. Tough one for the scouts to project, but that's their job.

I'm out on a young guy with multiple injury history. Take him in the late rounds, maybe. Not as a #1.

Not that young. He'll be 24 in his rookie season.

[&o]
Even worse then isn't it.

Or it means he's significantly more NFL ready.

The age is irrelevant to my point about the injury history.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Who thinks we are only a rookie QB from being a SB contender next year?

You are all missing the larger point of my 2 year plan. We have many holes. Drafting your favorite QB choice in the 8-12 range this year doesn't do him a bit of good and wastes a year of his rookie scale contract.

I will agree that if the scouts say next year there are no QB's as good as this year's option, go for it, but it's still a bigger rebuild than that.