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Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/22/2024 3:31:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024. I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap. So, it is going up 8M for everybody. We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA. It would shock me. OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts? You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries. And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C. Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover. Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do. There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell) Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes] NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes] S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ... And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ... QB Mullens, CB(s) And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon. So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury. There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel. That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap. This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it. Top 51 minus minimum contract that is factored in.... Reed, Schlottman, Powell, Quessberry, etc. signings may not change the cap but a couple to a few million.... Example: A 3 million contract wouldn't actually be 3 million against the cap---minimum is 800k. So it would be 2.2 million cap increase. And apply the percentage of the 2023 to 2024 cap increase to those numbers. Actually to all the signings. Can't have it both ways. It is already figured in...all 51 contracts at least at league minimum....drop any of them for a FA Signing and 800k is factored in...not sure what you are trying to get at. Are you trying to make it look like they have less space to prove a point or do you want to show the facts? A $3 M FA signing that kicks off a min contract adds 2.2 M to the cap at worst depending on Signing Bonus, length of contract, etc.....

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/22/2024 3:47:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024. I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap. So, it is going up 8M for everybody. We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA. It would shock me. OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts? You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries. And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C. Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover. Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do. There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell) Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes] NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes] S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ... And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ... QB Mullens, CB(s) And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon. So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury. There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel. That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap. This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it. Top 51 minus minimum contract that is factored in.... Reed, Schlottman, Powell, Quessberry, etc. signings may not change the cap but a couple to a few million.... Example: A 3 million contract wouldn't actually be 3 million against the cap---minimum is 800k. So it would be 2.2 million cap increase. And apply the percentage of the 2023 to 2024 cap increase to those numbers. Actually to all the signings. Can't have it both ways. It is already figured in...all 51 contracts at least at league minimum....drop any of them for a FA Signing and 800k is factored in...not sure what you are trying to get at. Are you trying to make it look like they have less space to prove a point or do you want to show the facts? A $3 M FA signing that kicks off a min contract adds 2.2 M to the cap at worst depending on Signing Bonus, length of contract, etc..... Stop using the Top 51. Because that includes players like those on the Practice Squad. Those players and others will be replaced with new contracts. New contracts that are going to be negotiated with a 10% jump. And the more cuts you make, the more new contracts you will need to have with the 10% jump. Those are the 'facts'. You are showing smoke and mirrors, PS players, and cuts here and everywhere to look like they are fat, dumb, and happy. Deceiving at best. You (per Florio or whomever) are saying the cap is expected to be $250ish. So $8M of the NFL increase is not factored into Spotrac's beginning number, yes not the whole expected $25M.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/22/2024 4:00:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024. I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap. So, it is going up 8M for everybody. We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA. It would shock me. OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts? You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries. And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C. Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover. Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do. There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell) Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes] NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes] S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ... And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ... QB Mullens, CB(s) And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon. So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury. There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel. That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap. This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it. It's almost ... biblical. All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed! Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual? EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/22/2024 4:02:11 PM)
Using the Top 51, especially this time of the year, to try to make a point our cap (even with the salary offsets) is in good shape is... well, not surprising seeing who it is that dreamed it up. The only given is the Top 51/53 will be under the cap by the time the season starts. What talent level they represent and the strategy used is up in the air. Here are more facts Phil: If all the FAs along with your three leave, we will have OVER $50 million in dead cap (Cousins, Hunter, Davenport, Cook, etc) and have 10 starting spots to fill and 10 backup spots to fill. But you press on with your "Top 51", LOL! And so what if it's 'factored in' or how much we have or could have with more cuts. Unless there are backloads, 'your' cap situation is bleak. $50 million... lopped off the top next month. But I'm sure you'll simply later claim that FA x and y are hidden gems, they are 'young' (lol), we won't know, etc. That hasn't worked so well when put up against reality.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/22/2024 4:08:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024. I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap. So, it is going up 8M for everybody. We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA. It would shock me. OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts? You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries. And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C. Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover. Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do. There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell) Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes] NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes] S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ... And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ... QB Mullens, CB(s) And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon. So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury. There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel. That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap. This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it. It's almost ... biblical. All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed! Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual? EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill. Thank god we signed Theo Jackson. One less spot to fill, nevermind the talent level. It's the same thing as Phil using playing time to determine whether Kwesi's drafts were any good. Or Phil using, LOL, the age of an incoming FA vs the outgoing one to say we improved. Yep, those are real his real criteria he's argued for time and again. In ALL THREE CASES, talent level is... ignored!

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/22/2024 4:29:11 PM)
Umm...take a look at Sportract to the right....it has the right salary cap. Top 51 with every contract at least the league minimum. Whatever on the players they sign up to 90. Whatever, change goal posts to Theo because you were wrong.... MINNESOTA VIKINGS CAP TOTALS Adjusted Salary Cap $251,459,126 Active Contracts: $213,083,580 Dead Cap: $10,307,539 2023 Rollover: $8,959,126 Total (All): $223,391,119 Total (Top 51): $223,391,119 Est. Cap Space (All): $28,068,007 Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $28,068,007

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/22/2024 5:39:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024. I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap. So, it is going up 8M for everybody. We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA. It would shock me. OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts? You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries. And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C. Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover. Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do. There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell) Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes] NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes] S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ... And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ... QB Mullens, CB(s) And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon. So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury. There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel. That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap. This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it. It's almost ... biblical. All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed! Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual? EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill. So does Yul Brynner play Kwesi or Ziggy?

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/22/2024 6:22:41 PM)
It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy.. Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good..

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/22/2024 6:35:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024. I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap. So, it is going up 8M for everybody. We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA. It would shock me. OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts? You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries. And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C. Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover. Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do. There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell) Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes] NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes] S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ... And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ... QB Mullens, CB(s) And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon. So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury. There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel. That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap. This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it. It's almost ... biblical. All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed! Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual? EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill. So does Yul Brynner play Kwesi or Ziggy? Nice. Yul plays Ziggy with a pair of those gag mustache and black glasses. 'Dont win too much, don't win too little ... etcetera etcetera etcetera.' Charleton plays Kwesi as the snazziest Moses ever. I can hear the burning bush now when he shows up, 'Sweet Fancy Moses!'

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 7:15:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy.. Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good.. Not auditioning for anything....Bill is trying to make it look like top 51 isn't at least the league minimum salary....yet he is wrong again. We have room to make moves just like last year and the year before. It has nothing to do with Theo Jackson; talk about slight of hand. When you want to use Bill logic and pretend we have 500k of cap space---be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 9:17:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy.. Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good.. Not auditioning for anything....Bill is trying to make it look like top 51 isn't at least the league minimum salary....yet he is wrong again. We have room to make moves just like last year and the year before. It has nothing to do with Theo Jackson; talk about slight of hand. When you want to use Bill logic and pretend we have 500k of cap space---be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that. Speaking for myself … Sportrac addition and subtraction free agency does not equal what I see on the field in September. Nipping here and tucking there for 60M in free cap space is … not likely at all … but we’ll see. These baseline numbers we see on similar sites are basic snapshots not relevant to the team’s financial planning. Which we can’t know because it would be devastating to the competitive advantage of the team’s planning if it did get out. Then there’s the whole competency factor of what we do with that planning … last year the discussion was releasing Kendricks Thielen Dantzler to increase our buying power for Davenport Murphy Oliver Lowry Mullens Bradbury. What a windfall that was!

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 9:59:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024. I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap. So, it is going up 8M for everybody. We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA. It would shock me. OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts? You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries. And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C. Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover. Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do. There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell) Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes] NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes] S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ... And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ... QB Mullens, CB(s) And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon. So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury. There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel. That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap. This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it. It's almost ... biblical. All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed! Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual? EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill. So does Yul Brynner play Kwesi or Ziggy? Nice. Yul plays Ziggy with a pair of those gag mustache and black glasses. 'Dont win too much, don't win too little ... etcetera etcetera etcetera.' Charleton plays Kwesi as the snazziest Moses ever. I can hear the burning bush now when he shows up, 'Sweet Fancy Moses!' It's hard to think of Yul Brynner and NOT think about the Magnificent Seven.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 10:10:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024. I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap. So, it is going up 8M for everybody. We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA. It would shock me. OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts? You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries. And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C. Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover. Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do. There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell) Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes] NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes] S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ... And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ... QB Mullens, CB(s) And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon. So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury. There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel. That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap. This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it. It's almost ... biblical. All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed! Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual? EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill. So does Yul Brynner play Kwesi or Ziggy? Nice. Yul plays Ziggy with a pair of those gag mustache and black glasses. 'Dont win too much, don't win too little ... etcetera etcetera etcetera.' Charleton plays Kwesi as the snazziest Moses ever. I can hear the burning bush now when he shows up, 'Sweet Fancy Moses!' It's hard to think of Yul Brynner and NOT think about the Magnificent Seven. No kidding. Haven’t watched that in a long long time. Russia cowboy lol.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 10:22:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy.. Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good.. Not auditioning for anything....Bill is trying to make it look like top 51 isn't at least the league minimum salary....yet he is wrong again. We have room to make moves just like last year and the year before. It has nothing to do with Theo Jackson; talk about slight of hand. When you want to use Bill logic and pretend we have 500k of cap space---be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that. Speaking for myself … Sportrac addition and subtraction free agency does not equal what I see on the field in September. Nipping here and tucking there for 60M in free cap space is … not likely at all … but we’ll see. These baseline numbers we see on similar sites are basic snapshots not relevant to the team’s financial planning. Which we can’t know because it would be devastating to the competitive advantage of the team’s planning if it did get out. Then there’s the whole competency factor of what we do with that planning … last year the discussion was releasing Kendricks Thielen Dantzler to increase our buying power for Davenport Murphy Oliver Lowry Mullens Bradbury. What a windfall that was! I don't think anyone disagreed on the majority of those listed---but that had nothing to do with cap room just picking the wrong FAs. I believe they had about 15-18 M available last year after cutting Zed,Thielen and Kendricks. The link I read said 2.8 million cap space available on March 19th. https://dknetwork.draftkings.com/2023/3/13/23624295/minnesota-vikings-salary-cap-space-2023-contracts-free-agents-player-signings

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 10:49:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Rumor is the salary cap is going from 224.8 to 250 million in 2024. I think our 28M under figure is with a 242M salary cap. So, it is going up 8M for everybody. We can get to 60M under with JJ extension(actually lowers his cap number) and other common sense cuts. It will not be a surprise if we make a couple splashes early on in FA. It would shock me. OverThe Cap has us at $24.7. Subtract say $3.7 in dead cap for Cook & Co. for a beginning total of $21. There is Smith, Lowry, Bradbury totaling ~ $16. That brings the total to 21 + 16, or 38. Where is the other $22 million to get to $60 via a couple of common sense cuts? You can include the projected $8 million cap bump for all teams but IMO that's a wash as everyone has it and it just means, like always, higher salaries. And you have created empty starting spots at DE and C. Spotrac starts with an adjusted total cap of $251.5 which is the going in allowable cap plus the 2023 rollover. Anything is possible with enough cuts and void years. To be legit, take a look at the existing roster holes and new holes from your cuts, fill them with salaries for (just) average starters and a couple of your early splash signings (high $ during the initial frenzy), and pay 90% of all their salaries (which mirrors carrying $25M in dead cap if the total cap is $250M) in 2024. My guess is it is clearly not possible to do. There are the obvious starter holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph There are back-up holes not currently on the books for 2024 ... [7 holes] ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell) Plus RFA holes not on the books for 2024 ... [3 holes] NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel There are holes that should be created by responsible GM planning ... [3 holes] S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury ... And there are non-financial holes occupied by starters that need to be upgraded (not yet mentioned) ... QB Mullens, CB(s) And then there is dead money that is shaped like a hole but weighs the cap down like a lead balloon. So with the three cuts some are recommending, there are 10 (ten) vacant starting positions: QB Cousins, LG Risner, LOLB Hunter, ROLB Wonnum, DE Bullard, ILB Hicks, K Joseph, S Smith, DT/DE Lowry, C Bradbury. There are also ten (10) vacant backup positions: ROLB (Davenport), LT (Udoh), LG (Reed), C (Schlottmann), RT (Quessenberry), #3 WR (Osborn), #4 WR (Powell), NT Tonga, RB Akers and maybe OL Brandel. That looks like 10 starters and 10 backups need to be signed. $50 million isn't going to do it unless it's bargain basement/street urchins. AND JJ's contract is backloaded into the years where we might be competitive and need cap. This is akin to Monopoly where someone who is low on money cashes in their hotels, houses, and property. They now have more money but have nothing to show for it. It's almost ... biblical. All we need is Edward G Robinson prancing around in sandals to make it so. Egyptians and chariots indeed! Is it just me? Does that not seem like more turnover than usual? EDIT: oh and add Theo Jackson to my list this morning of depth that needed signing. Because we just resigned him. So now its merely 10 / 10 holes to fill. So does Yul Brynner play Kwesi or Ziggy? Nice. Yul plays Ziggy with a pair of those gag mustache and black glasses. 'Dont win too much, don't win too little ... etcetera etcetera etcetera.' Charleton plays Kwesi as the snazziest Moses ever. I can hear the burning bush now when he shows up, 'Sweet Fancy Moses!' It's hard to think of Yul Brynner and NOT think about the Magnificent Seven. No kidding. Haven’t watched that in a long long time. Russia cowboy lol. Or Westworld. Russian robot cowboy

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 11:17:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Umm...take a look at Sportract to the right....it has the right salary cap. Top 51 with every contract at least the league minimum. Whatever on the players they sign up to 90. Whatever, change goal posts to Theo because you were wrong.... MINNESOTA VIKINGS CAP TOTALS Adjusted Salary Cap $251,459,126 Active Contracts: $213,083,580 Dead Cap: $10,307,539 2023 Rollover: $8,959,126 Total (All): $223,391,119 Total (Top 51): $223,391,119 Est. Cap Space (All): $28,068,007 Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $28,068,007 I've seen that. So what? You believe the cap is fine, it can go higher with cuts and extensions, and $50+ million in dead cap with 10 empty starter spots and 10 empty backup spots is no big deal... because the "Top 51", consisting of low budget types who will NOT be part of the top 51 when the season begins, says things are ok. As usual, you've latched on to a few soundbites but have zero clue on the matter.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 11:21:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy.. Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good.. Look everyone, our cap is fine... the "Top 51" - with players like Myles Gaskin, Coy Cronk, Henry Byrd, Thayer Thomas, McBride, ertc, etc - says so!

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 11:23:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy.. Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good.. Not auditioning for anything....Bill is trying to make it look like top 51 isn't at least the league minimum salary....yet he is wrong again. We have room to make moves just like last year and the year before. It has nothing to do with Theo Jackson; talk about slight of hand. When you want to use Bill logic and pretend we have 500k of cap space---be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that. Not what I said. BTW, the upcoming league minimum has not yet been set. Geez, if you could only stick what is said, just once, it would be a miracle.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 11:37:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young It looks like Phil is auditioning for queasy.. Smoke and mirrors.. slight of hand.. watch.. er…don't watch me double deal and bottom shuffle player contracts to make me look good.. Not auditioning for anything....Bill is trying to make it look like top 51 isn't at least the league minimum salary....yet he is wrong again. We have room to make moves just like last year and the year before. It has nothing to do with Theo Jackson; talk about slight of hand. When you want to use Bill logic and pretend we have 500k of cap space---be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that. Speaking for myself … Sportrac addition and subtraction free agency does not equal what I see on the field in September. Nipping here and tucking there for 60M in free cap space is … not likely at all … but we’ll see. These baseline numbers we see on similar sites are basic snapshots not relevant to the team’s financial planning. Which we can’t know because it would be devastating to the competitive advantage of the team’s planning if it did get out. Then there’s the whole competency factor of what we do with that planning … last year the discussion was releasing Kendricks Thielen Dantzler to increase our buying power for Davenport Murphy Oliver Lowry Mullens Bradbury. What a windfall that was! I don't think anyone disagreed on the majority of those listed---but that had nothing to do with cap room just picking the wrong FAs. I believe they had about 15-18 M available last year after cutting Zed,Thielen and Kendricks. The link I read said 2.8 million cap space available on March 19th. https://dknetwork.draftkings.com/2023/3/13/23624295/minnesota-vikings-salary-cap-space-2023-contracts-free-agents-player-signings Isn't that exactly what I said? How can we know what we have to spend? We can't know. The team doesn't even know. They will designate players for release – some of those depend on what happens in free agency and the draft; they will target players in FA – some will work out some won't; they will trade draft picks and end up with more or less; they will rework contracts along the way; etc. But go ahead ... play with the numbers and create a dream scenario with 60M ... or 67M like the bears (who are about to draft freakin' qb williams and wr odunze to pair with moore) or the lions with 50M ... I'm sure bears fans are creating 120M for the bears and lions fans are creating 90M for the lions. Its fantasy. All I care about right now is what happens before March 13 (i.e. nothing with Cousins), what our cap number is on March 13. Then we'll have a clue what's going on cap wise.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 11:47:11 AM)
Here is the flaw with Phil's goofy no-logic: His much ballyhooed top 51 does not include pure (non-void year) FAs like Wonnum, Risner, Osborn, Hicks, and on and on. Because there are so many of these FAs, Spotrac had to use cheap Practice Squad players and others who are technically under contract but will not factor into anything just to get to 51 players. Many of them were literally not on the real roster as of last Nov. 1. I looked it up in Ourlads. And they are not projected to be on the roster. So far, that SHOULD make sense. Those 51 added up gives a sum that equates to $28 million in cap. As of now. That too should be understandable. But adding in merely average FAs (with the likely 10% pay raise) easily wipes out the $28 million and cap gained from a few likely cuts. And that's with JJs contract essentially being backloaded. Now Phil is using last year as a baseline for THIS year. That is meaningless! In his world, ever year is the same and he failed to consider we have many more pending FAs and much more dead cap. Who knows what his next angle will be.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 12:12:32 PM)
"...be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that." To make a point, I presume "a few FA" and "WOW" means a few upper/top tier FAs. Even if that were the case, ANYTHING can be done with enough accounting BS, backloaded money, and void years. Color me not impressed if there is some splash that they can't pay for. But why worry, we're fine. Phil said so!

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 12:24:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen "...be my guess and then after we sign a few FA come in and talk about WOW how were we able to do that." To make a point, I presume "a few FA" and "WOW" means a few upper/top tier FAs. Even if that were the case, ANYTHING can be done with enough accounting BS, backloaded money, and void years. Color me not impressed if there is some splash that they can't pay for. But why worry, we're fine. Phil said so! navajo code talkers got nothing on you.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 12:24:45 PM)
I just don't get into cap manipulation. What I would like the Vikings to do...and I know that this might mean a couple of lean years, is no more void years, no more bonuses that count against later years caps etc etc etc. Stop letting dead cap money handcuff your cap. Draft a QB this year and suffer through him starting. DO NOT bring Cousins back for more than $30 mil a year, Or $20 mill a year. If he will come back for $12 mil for one year and no pushing out money...I'd be ok with that. Let Hunter walk. Since we are accepting the suck for the next couple years, get what you can for JJ and build from there. In the draft this year there should be no consideration of MOVING DOWN. I've had enough of that shit. Speilmann did that a lot, Kwesi is doing it too much too.... Get rid of aging and dead weight and build a real champion unhampered by salary cap burdens. It's time to hit the reset button on the cap.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 12:44:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott I just don't get into cap manipulation. What I would like the Vikings to do...and I know that this might mean a couple of lean years, is no more void years, no more bonuses that count against later years caps etc etc etc. Stop letting dead cap money handcuff your cap. Draft a QB this year and suffer through him starting. DO NOT bring Cousins back for more than $30 mil a year, Or $20 mill a year. If he will come back for $12 mil for one year and no pushing out money...I'd be ok with that. Let Hunter walk. Since we are accepting the suck for the next couple years, get what you can for JJ and build from there. In the draft this year there should be no consideration of MOVING DOWN. I've had enough of that shit. Speilmann did that a lot, Kwesi is doing it too much too.... Get rid of aging and dead weight and build a real champion unhampered by salary cap burdens. It's time to hit the reset button on the cap. Most of what you’re saying makes as much sense as anything else. And certainly more than what we’ve been doing. Even without cleaning house completely, not resigning Cousins or splurging on top contract TEs RBs Ss … if we just keep our hands clean a little bit … 2025 could be a huge launch point for the franchise. (not with kwevin imo unless they show a hyperdrive gear this offseason [making saavy decisions] that they haven’t shown to this point). We have like 24 players on the roster in 2025 … 24 players! And enormous cap space. JJ will obviousy warp that considerably. If we just don’t shoot ourselves in the foot OVER AND OVER AGAIN this offseason, the full-on tankers and the wishy-washy tankers like myself coud be at the dooorstep of raised expectations.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (2/23/2024 1:08:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott I just don't get into cap manipulation. What I would like the Vikings to do...and I know that this might mean a couple of lean years, is no more void years, no more bonuses that count against later years caps etc etc etc. Stop letting dead cap money handcuff your cap. Draft a QB this year and suffer through him starting. DO NOT bring Cousins back for more than $30 mil a year, Or $20 mill a year. If he will come back for $12 mil for one year and no pushing out money...I'd be ok with that. Let Hunter walk. Since we are accepting the suck for the next couple years, get what you can for JJ and build from there. In the draft this year there should be no consideration of MOVING DOWN. I've had enough of that shit. Speilmann did that a lot, Kwesi is doing it too much too.... Get rid of aging and dead weight and build a real champion unhampered by salary cap burdens. It's time to hit the reset button on the cap. Most of what you’re saying makes as much sense as anything else. And certainly more than what we’ve been doing. Even without cleaning house completely, not resigning Cousins or splurging on top contract TEs RBs Ss … if we just keep our hands clean a little bit … 2025 could be a huge launch point for the franchise. (not with kwevin imo unless they show a hyperdrive gear this offseason [making saavy decisions] that they haven’t shown to this point). We have like 24 players on the roster in 2025 … 24 players! And enormous cap space. JJ will obviousy warp that considerably. If we just don’t shoot ourselves in the foot OVER AND OVER AGAIN this offseason, the full-on tankers and the wishy-washy tankers like myself coud be at the dooorstep of raised expectations. Two solid posts in a row. Both show a plan, a direction (except don't sign Cousins for even a dollar, lol). As opposed to ~ we can get to $60 million in cap easy! Then spend... spend... spend... it's all pixie dust... sign two good edge players, easy... more IOL holes, so what... $50 M dead cap, we're flush with cap!

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