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kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/7/2023 9:56:34 AM)
Thanks Erik.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/7/2023 8:54:13 PM)
Can't thank Erik enough. It's tempting to send a donation to Erik, this site is awesome.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/7/2023 8:58:22 PM)
What can't be ignored in the Thielen slide in production, is the fact that Kirk rarely throws to WRs that aren't wide open. Sidney Rice didn't often get open (I am guessing lack of speed, and not quick change of direction route running), so he didn't do much until the Vikings signed a QB that was willing to throw it to him, even if he wasn't very open: Brett Favre. One think I liked about Jeron Mahomes Hall's highlights, he sometimes threw to WRs that weren't all that open.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/8/2023 9:50:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty What can't be ignored in the Thielen slide in production, is the fact that Kirk rarely throws to WRs that aren't wide open. Sidney Rice didn't often get open (I am guessing lack of speed, and not quick change of direction route running), so he didn't do much until the Vikings signed a QB that was willing to throw it to him, even if he wasn't very open: Brett Favre. One think I liked about Jeron Mahomes Hall's highlights, he sometimes threw to WRs that weren't all that open. I think there is a difference between no window, small window, and contested catches.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/8/2023 12:18:44 PM)
It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/8/2023 12:28:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches. Yeah, I think a couple years ago Diggs and Thielen were like #s 1 and 2 in contested catches.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/8/2023 1:21:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches. It’s not uncommon for cousins to throw out of bounds, into the end zone stands and 5-6 yards short of the sticks/ line to gain on any given third or fourth down.. Drives die often when the ball leaves the centers hand and is touched by Kirk Fn Cousins…

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/8/2023 3:11:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches. Yeah, I think a couple years ago Diggs and Thielen were like #s 1 and 2 in contested catches. That was when Case Keenum was here, because they had to be, or opposing teams would have intercepted about 653 balls.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/8/2023 5:06:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches. Yeah, I think a couple years ago Diggs and Thielen were like #s 1 and 2 in contested catches. That was when Case Keenum was here, because they had to be, or opposing teams would have intercepted about 653 balls. I find it weird that the majority rail on Kirk on the 4th down pass when KJ dropped the 3rd down pass and actually give him a pass...... Also Spielman is more on my s list than Kirk....Dead Cap on Barr, Pierce, Rudolph, Gladney, Reiff, Breland, Hughes, etc. etc. did more harm to the Vikings in 22 and 23 and were the reason they had to extend Kirk....

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/8/2023 5:38:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches. Yeah, I think a couple years ago Diggs and Thielen were like #s 1 and 2 in contested catches. That was when Case Keenum was here, because they had to be, or opposing teams would have intercepted about 653 balls. I looked it up, you are 100% correct.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/8/2023 6:02:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches. Yeah, I think a couple years ago Diggs and Thielen were like #s 1 and 2 in contested catches. That was when Case Keenum was here, because they had to be, or opposing teams would have intercepted about 653 balls. I find it weird that the majority rail on Kirk on the 4th down pass when KJ dropped the 3rd down pass and actually give him a pass...... Also Spielman is more on my s list than Kirk....Dead Cap on Barr, Pierce, Rudolph, Gladney, Reiff, Breland, Hughes, etc. etc. did more harm to the Vikings in 22 and 23 and were the reason they had to extend Kirk.... nm

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/8/2023 6:03:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches. Yeah, I think a couple years ago Diggs and Thielen were like #s 1 and 2 in contested catches. That was when Case Keenum was here, because they had to be, or opposing teams would have intercepted about 653 balls. I find it weird that the majority rail on Kirk on the 4th down pass when KJ dropped the 3rd down pass and actually give him a pass...... Also Spielman is more on my s list than Kirk....Dead Cap on Barr, Pierce, Rudolph, Gladney, Reiff, Breland, Hughes, etc. etc. did more harm to the Vikings in 22 and 23 and were the reason they had to extend Kirk.... I find it weird that you still have the audacity to blame the majority of fans for 'remembering it wrong' and not yourself. https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1614811195491635201

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/8/2023 6:06:39 PM)
That's funny. WO having recall of the play I was thinking - I bet if I could find that play it would show it wasn't on KJ. But I didn't have to the work.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 7:43:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches. Yeah, I think a couple years ago Diggs and Thielen were like #s 1 and 2 in contested catches. That was when Case Keenum was here, because they had to be, or opposing teams would have intercepted about 653 balls. I find it weird that the majority rail on Kirk on the 4th down pass when KJ dropped the 3rd down pass and actually give him a pass...... Also Spielman is more on my s list than Kirk....Dead Cap on Barr, Pierce, Rudolph, Gladney, Reiff, Breland, Hughes, etc. etc. did more harm to the Vikings in 22 and 23 and were the reason they had to extend Kirk.... I find it weird that you still have the audacity to blame the majority of fans for 'remembering it wrong' and not yourself. https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1614811195491635201 A KFC Stan has to do what all Stan’s do… Die on idiotic hills.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 8:01:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches. Yeah, I think a couple years ago Diggs and Thielen were like #s 1 and 2 in contested catches. That was when Case Keenum was here, because they had to be, or opposing teams would have intercepted about 653 balls. I find it weird that the majority rail on Kirk on the 4th down pass when KJ dropped the 3rd down pass and actually give him a pass...... Also Spielman is more on my s list than Kirk....Dead Cap on Barr, Pierce, Rudolph, Gladney, Reiff, Breland, Hughes, etc. etc. did more harm to the Vikings in 22 and 23 and were the reason they had to extend Kirk.... I find it weird that you still have the audacity to blame the majority of fans for 'remembering it wrong' and not yourself. https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1614811195491635201 Audacity for KJ not making a play...oh my the audacity. All Kirk's fault.... [&o] The throw was there for KJ to make a play. Einstein once went in front of a classroom and solved 9 problems in a row and deliberately got the 10 wrong.....he did it on purpose to show that no one said anything on the 9 right ones and laughed or ridiculed him on the 10th one.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 8:09:18 AM)
If your fan boy QB, himself, says it was a poor throw into good coverage, who the **** are tou to blame the receiver? Fanboy Kirk Stan.. That’s who..

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 8:13:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young If your fan boy QB, himself, says it was a poor throw into good coverage, who the **** are tou to blame the receiver? Fanboy Kirk Stan.. That’s who.. Fanboy? Pick one of Ponder, Bridgewater, or Tavaris Jackson? That is the type you would have had with not enough picks this year.... I am a Fan of a 13-4 team; not quite sure you realize that....this is the same way if not worse you acted with Favre. Continue on your petty-not my favorite QB-rant and keep acting like a little baby instead of a grown man. The FO and Coach thought their best chance this year was Kirk; get over yourself.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 9:29:14 AM)
Not only was the throw to KJ behind him to the point that it allowed the defender to break up the catch, by not leading KJ properly we missed out on the opportunity for a 30+ yard gain. If Kirk puts that ball where KJ can catch it in stride that might have been a TD. If Kirk leads him even a little bit the catch still gets made but KJ gets tackled on the spot. These are tiny little details that, when added up over time, mean the difference between good and great.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 9:32:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young If your fan boy QB, himself, says it was a poor throw into good coverage, who the **** are tou to blame the receiver? Fanboy Kirk Stan.. That’s who.. Kirk Cousins: "The third and 8 is the one that I want back. I felt like, you get man coverage, the ball needs to be a little more out front of KJ. It was right on him, in the sense that the DB was able to break it up. I felt like if the ball was out front, the DB can’t do that." Yeah, you wanted it back so you could turtle the next play and go to your safe place. So many shitty decisions and throws to "want back", how does he choose?

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 9:35:02 AM)
If you watch the clip in the link provided you can see exactly where KJ alters his route to try and come back to the ball. The ball needed to be thrown about one yard more to the sideline and one yard more upfield, at which point, KJ is off to the races. I can't tell from the clip if Hockinson in the flat was a distraction for Kirk or not (tempting target).

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 9:36:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Not only was the throw to KJ behind him to the point that it allowed the defender to break up the catch, by not leading KJ properly we missed out on the opportunity for a 30+ yard gain. If Kirk puts that ball where KJ can catch it in stride that might have been a TD. If Kirk leads him even a little bit the catch still gets made but KJ gets tackled on the spot. These are tiny little details that, when added up over time, mean the difference between good and great. Again did you watch the rest of the game? KJ could have made a better play on the ball....not every throw is going to be perfect. Kirk made a ton of great throws in the game. Are you tempering your expectations for Kirk (because you want him gone) or are you using a fair assessment. Seems to me like you expect Kirk to make the perfect play/throw every play.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 9:38:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches. Yeah, I think a couple years ago Diggs and Thielen were like #s 1 and 2 in contested catches. That was when Case Keenum was here, because they had to be, or opposing teams would have intercepted about 653 balls. I find it weird that the majority rail on Kirk on the 4th down pass when KJ dropped the 3rd down pass and actually give him a pass...... Also Spielman is more on my s list than Kirk....Dead Cap on Barr, Pierce, Rudolph, Gladney, Reiff, Breland, Hughes, etc. etc. did more harm to the Vikings in 22 and 23 and were the reason they had to extend Kirk.... I find it weird that you still have the audacity to blame the majority of fans for 'remembering it wrong' and not yourself. https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1614811195491635201 Audacity for KJ not making a play...oh my the audacity. All Kirk's fault.... [&o] The throw was there for KJ to make a play. Einstein once went in front of a classroom and solved 9 problems in a row and deliberately got the 10 wrong.....he did it on purpose to show that no one said anything on the 9 right ones and laughed or ridiculed him on the 10th one. Doubling down on a lame statement moves the lamelight from the post to the poster.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 9:39:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen It's not uncommon for Cousins to throw into tight windows. Sometimes his throws are errant but he has been lucky here to have had Diggs, Theilen, and JJ make crazy catches. Yeah, I think a couple years ago Diggs and Thielen were like #s 1 and 2 in contested catches. That was when Case Keenum was here, because they had to be, or opposing teams would have intercepted about 653 balls. I find it weird that the majority rail on Kirk on the 4th down pass when KJ dropped the 3rd down pass and actually give him a pass...... Also Spielman is more on my s list than Kirk....Dead Cap on Barr, Pierce, Rudolph, Gladney, Reiff, Breland, Hughes, etc. etc. did more harm to the Vikings in 22 and 23 and were the reason they had to extend Kirk.... I find it weird that you still have the audacity to blame the majority of fans for 'remembering it wrong' and not yourself. https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1614811195491635201 Audacity for KJ not making a play...oh my the audacity. All Kirk's fault.... [&o] The throw was there for KJ to make a play. Einstein once went in front of a classroom and solved 9 problems in a row and deliberately got the 10 wrong.....he did it on purpose to show that no one said anything on the 9 right ones and laughed or ridiculed him on the 10th one. Doubling down on a lame statement moves the lamelight from the post to the poster. Not a double down....expecting others to make a play....maybe the reason Addison was drafted? It is weird that posters wanted Kirk to allow WR to make a play on 4th down after he did that on third down. Just waiting in the shadows for the QB to make a throw that isn't completed; happens 35% of the time. Quit the pro cousins bias BS when you are obviously the anti cousins biased one.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 9:48:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Not only was the throw to KJ behind him to the point that it allowed the defender to break up the catch, by not leading KJ properly we missed out on the opportunity for a 30+ yard gain. If Kirk puts that ball where KJ can catch it in stride that might have been a TD. If Kirk leads him even a little bit the catch still gets made but KJ gets tackled on the spot. These are tiny little details that, when added up over time, mean the difference between good and great. Again did you watch the rest of the game? KJ could have made a better play on the ball....not every throw is going to be perfect. Kirk made a ton of great throws in the game. Are you tempering your expectations for Kirk (because you want him gone) or are you using a fair assessment. Seems to me like you expect Kirk to make the perfect play/throw every play. I EXPECT a franchise QB, in his fifth year on the team, eleventh year in the league, to make a ton of great throws in a game. Listen, the guy is a good QB. Everyone, like literally EVERYONE, can say he's a good QB. He's just not a great QB. To say, "hey look at all the good throws he made" is missing the point. No shit he made some good throws. Wouldn't we EXPECT a guy we paid so much money for and extended on fully guaranteed contracts to "make some good throws"?

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/9/2023 9:52:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Not only was the throw to KJ behind him to the point that it allowed the defender to break up the catch, by not leading KJ properly we missed out on the opportunity for a 30+ yard gain. If Kirk puts that ball where KJ can catch it in stride that might have been a TD. If Kirk leads him even a little bit the catch still gets made but KJ gets tackled on the spot. These are tiny little details that, when added up over time, mean the difference between good and great. Again did you watch the rest of the game? KJ could have made a better play on the ball....not every throw is going to be perfect. Kirk made a ton of great throws in the game. Are you tempering your expectations for Kirk (because you want him gone) or are you using a fair assessment. Seems to me like you expect Kirk to make the perfect play/throw every play. I EXPECT a franchise QB, in his fifth year on the team, eleventh year in the league, to make a ton of great throws in a game. Listen, the guy is a good QB. Everyone, like literally EVERYONE, can say he's a good QB. He's just not a great QB. To say, "hey look at all the good throws he made" is missing the point. No shit he made some good throws. Wouldn't we EXPECT a guy we paid so much money for and extended on fully guaranteed contracts to "make some good throws"? I think the offense will be more explosive this year with Nailor and Addison creating the separation that Thielen and KJ lack plus a defense that will be better. If your personal take still regresses to a fully guaranteed contract that most of the top 10 qbs make (most much more) as one of the sole problems....you may have to look up the definition of bias instead of our Defenses rank and dead cap the last 2 years.

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