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ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 1:59:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J SKOR North @SKORNorth · 3h UPDATE: The Minnesota #Vikings are only on the hook for $1.77 million in the Za'Darius Smith trade to the Cleveland Browns and create around $10 million in cap space should have made reagor part of that deal....

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 7:33:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Buy out the no trade clause… Bag of droughts and KFC to the J.E.T.S.. Jets..jets..jets.. for Erin Snoggers.. Get it over with . With another puke Drama QUeen.. And move on.. Or is being a Christian a franchise unwritten rule? That BYU QB has made some throws to his rookie WR in ota. Wonder how ESPN thought Kirk played in the playoffs last year: https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/3 What does PFF think Kirk was as a QB in 2022: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers How was Kirk in the 4th Quarter in 2022: https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-splits/passing/fourth-quarter/2022?sort=passrate

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 9:05:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Buy out the no trade clause… Bag of droughts and KFC to the J.E.T.S.. Jets..jets..jets.. for Erin Snoggers.. Get it over with . With another puke Drama QUeen.. And move on.. Or is being a Christian a franchise unwritten rule? That BYU QB has made some throws to his rookie WR in ota. Wonder how ESPN thought Kirk played in the playoffs last year: https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/3 What does PFF think Kirk was as a QB in 2022: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers How was Kirk in the 4th Quarter in 2022: https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-splits/passing/fourth-quarter/2022?sort=passrate Serious question: why doesn’t any of that ever translate into making the playoffs / success in the playoffs? He’s had great weapons on offense. He’s had top 10 defenses. He’s been in the league 10+ years.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 9:45:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Buy out the no trade clause… Bag of droughts and KFC to the J.E.T.S.. Jets..jets..jets.. for Erin Snoggers.. Get it over with . With another puke Drama QUeen.. And move on.. Or is being a Christian a franchise unwritten rule? That BYU QB has made some throws to his rookie WR in ota. Wonder how ESPN thought Kirk played in the playoffs last year: https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/3 What does PFF think Kirk was as a QB in 2022: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers How was Kirk in the 4th Quarter in 2022: https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-splits/passing/fourth-quarter/2022?sort=passrate Serious question: why doesn’t any of that ever translate into making the playoffs / success in the playoffs? He’s had great weapons on offense. He’s had top 10 defenses. He’s been in the league 10+ years. When did he last have a top 10 defense and great offense? Who is doing the translating? 2023 maybe where he has had the best team around him.......some fail to realize that KOC is the best Offensive minded and passing coach he has had while with the Vikings. Weird that it is the one year Kirk overachieved as did the team (with that horrible defense). People forget that Zimmer wanted to run more than pass....totally lost in translation. This pretend narrative that all the stars where aligned for Kirk...[&o]

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 10:15:56 AM)
The problem is that there is no defending that season ending pass. Regardless of the abysmal defensive performance, Cousins was in the quitissential ...QB establishes himself as a playoff hero...moment and he farted. Yes, if the defense forced even one punt in the first 3 quarters, the Vikings likely win that game. Yes, Cousins and the offense kept them in the game to that point. The problem is that was a moment that defines a QB. That is the moment that has defined the great QB's throughout the decades. That was Cousins moment to prove his detractors wrong and he threw a check down choke. It was such an epic failure that it overshadowed one of the most embarrassing playoff performances by any defense...ever.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 10:23:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Buy out the no trade clause… Bag of droughts and KFC to the J.E.T.S.. Jets..jets..jets.. for Erin Snoggers.. Get it over with . With another puke Drama QUeen.. And move on.. Or is being a Christian a franchise unwritten rule? That BYU QB has made some throws to his rookie WR in ota. Wonder how ESPN thought Kirk played in the playoffs last year: https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/3 What does PFF think Kirk was as a QB in 2022: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers How was Kirk in the 4th Quarter in 2022: https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-splits/passing/fourth-quarter/2022?sort=passrate quarterbacks with over 100 attempts passing; cousins is #3 overall.... cousins is tied with brady at #1 with 13 td's.... .

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 10:37:41 AM)
quote: When did he last have a top 10 defense and great offense? Who is doing the translating? 2019. Our offense ranked #8 in points and #15 in yards. Our defense ranked #5 in points and #14 in yards. We went 10-6, finished 2nd in the NFC North. We beat the Saints in overtime in the first round of the playoffs then got a beatdown from the Niners in the divisional round. The QB play in the playoffs was terrible - I did a post detailing that within the last month (not going to look it up). The stats end up looking ok but if you dig into that Niners game you'll see Kirk did absolutely nothing but check down and turn the ball over until garbage time. So when he has everything around him the ceiling is 2nd in the division and a wild card miracle win in the playoffs. When anything, and I mean literally ANYTHING isn't perfect around him the ceiling is not making the playoffs up to one-and-done in the playoffs.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 10:51:33 AM)
I can't wait until we have another QB so everybody has somebody new to declare as inadequate to the task of helping the Vikings win.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 10:58:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott I can't wait until we have another QB so everybody has somebody new to declare as inadequate to the task of helping the Vikings win. I can't wait until the current super star on our roster wearing #8 lives up to literally ANY of the praise that is lauded on him for whatever reason. I'll be waiting longer than you.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 11:15:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott I can't wait until we have another QB so everybody has somebody new to declare as inadequate to the task of helping the Vikings win. I can't wait until the current super star on our roster wearing #8 lives up to literally ANY of the praise that is lauded on him for whatever reason. I'll be waiting longer than you. The old we consider him a superstar post once again....[&o]

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 11:18:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: When did he last have a top 10 defense and great offense? Who is doing the translating? 2019. Our offense ranked #8 in points and #15 in yards. Our defense ranked #5 in points and #14 in yards. We went 10-6, finished 2nd in the NFC North. We beat the Saints in overtime in the first round of the playoffs then got a beatdown from the Niners in the divisional round. The QB play in the playoffs was terrible - I did a post detailing that within the last month (not going to look it up). The stats end up looking ok but if you dig into that Niners game you'll see Kirk did absolutely nothing but check down and turn the ball over until garbage time. So when he has everything around him the ceiling is 2nd in the division and a wild card miracle win in the playoffs. When anything, and I mean literally ANYTHING isn't perfect around him the ceiling is not making the playoffs up to one-and-done in the playoffs. 2019...you thought that was a great team? You looked back thru all the Kirk years and that is the best you could find....[:-] I think our last great teams where the first Brett Favre year and the Randall year.... The team they are putting together in 2023 is better than 2019......it really isn't saying much either. Most of the issues were coaching and GM related.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 11:23:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: When did he last have a top 10 defense and great offense? Who is doing the translating? 2019. Our offense ranked #8 in points and #15 in yards. Our defense ranked #5 in points and #14 in yards. We went 10-6, finished 2nd in the NFC North. We beat the Saints in overtime in the first round of the playoffs then got a beatdown from the Niners in the divisional round. The QB play in the playoffs was terrible - I did a post detailing that within the last month (not going to look it up). The stats end up looking ok but if you dig into that Niners game you'll see Kirk did absolutely nothing but check down and turn the ball over until garbage time. So when he has everything around him the ceiling is 2nd in the division and a wild card miracle win in the playoffs. When anything, and I mean literally ANYTHING isn't perfect around him the ceiling is not making the playoffs up to one-and-done in the playoffs. 2019...you thought that was a great team? You looked back thru all the Kirk years and that is the best you could find....[:-] I think our last great teams where the Brett Favre and Randall years.... Well you asked "when did he have a top ten defense and a good offense" so I provided the answer. I think our last great teams where the Brett Favre and Randall years.... Soooo... You're saying it's the QB that's the issue? I have to admit, I didn't think I'd be able to persuade you over to my side of the argument but here we are!

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 11:45:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: When did he last have a top 10 defense and great offense? Who is doing the translating? 2019. Our offense ranked #8 in points and #15 in yards. Our defense ranked #5 in points and #14 in yards. We went 10-6, finished 2nd in the NFC North. We beat the Saints in overtime in the first round of the playoffs then got a beatdown from the Niners in the divisional round. The QB play in the playoffs was terrible - I did a post detailing that within the last month (not going to look it up). The stats end up looking ok but if you dig into that Niners game you'll see Kirk did absolutely nothing but check down and turn the ball over until garbage time. So when he has everything around him the ceiling is 2nd in the division and a wild card miracle win in the playoffs. When anything, and I mean literally ANYTHING isn't perfect around him the ceiling is not making the playoffs up to one-and-done in the playoffs. 2019...you thought that was a great team? You looked back thru all the Kirk years and that is the best you could find....[:-] I think our last great teams where the Brett Favre and Randall years.... Well you asked "when did he have a top ten defense and a good offense" so I provided the answer. I think our last great teams where the Brett Favre and Randall years.... Soooo... You're saying it's the QB that's the issue? I have to admit, I didn't think I'd be able to persuade you over to my side of the argument but here we are! How many HOF were on those teams? It was a reference to the team....not only the QB; which once again you are stuck on. Look back on the HOF on the Oline, Dline, etc. on those two teams--even All Pro/Pro Bowler list throughout the team....I will hang up and wait for you to blame Kirk once again.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 2:40:22 PM)
Bret Favre had one hall of famer on his squad (other than himself) in 2009 - Steve Hutchinson. Jared Allen might make it in someday although he was passed over this year. That being said, Justin Jefferson had HOF potential. So do Christian darrisaw and Brian oniel. TJ hockenson also. Daniel hunter isn’t out of the running just yet. Way too early to say for any of them of course.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 3:07:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Buy out the no trade clause… Bag of droughts and KFC to the J.E.T.S.. Jets..jets..jets.. for Erin Snoggers.. Get it over with . With another puke Drama QUeen.. And move on.. Or is being a Christian a franchise unwritten rule? That BYU QB has made some throws to his rookie WR in ota. Wonder how ESPN thought Kirk played in the playoffs last year: https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/3 What does PFF think Kirk was as a QB in 2022: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers How was Kirk in the 4th Quarter in 2022: https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-splits/passing/fourth-quarter/2022?sort=passrate quarterbacks with over 100 attempts passing; cousins is #3 overall.... cousins is tied with brady at #1 with 13 td's.... Doesn’t make any less of him being a choker, sucking cap pig He embarrasses the franchise and his Stan’s with gaudy, USELESS, Stats. When it counts in playoffs, he sucks. .

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 3:34:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Bret Favre had one hall of famer on his squad (other than himself) in 2009 - Steve Hutchinson. Jared Allen might make it in someday although he was passed over this year. That being said, Justin Jefferson had HOF potential. So do Christian darrisaw and Brian oniel. TJ hockenson also. Daniel hunter isn’t out of the running just yet. Way too early to say for any of them of course. Again look at the All Pros and Pro Bowlers....you think that Favre did all that? AP, Percy, Sidney, Hutch, Winfield, Allen, etc. Way better roster. Same with RC's team. You know it, I know it, the whole site of posters does know it also....you thought the 2022 roster had a shot to win it all at any time? Same applies to 2019. I knew going into 2009 and 1998. That is the GM's job.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 3:46:48 PM)
You asked a question and I provided the answer. Now you’re saying I thought 2019 and 2022 were championship caliber teams? You’re actually doing somewhat well in this argument you really don’t need to jump to lying, especially at this point.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 4:41:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. You asked a question and I provided the answer. Now you’re saying I thought 2019 and 2022 were championship caliber teams? You’re actually doing somewhat well in this argument you really don’t need to jump to lying, especially at this point. It's like you don't know Phil at all.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 4:53:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: David F. You asked a question and I provided the answer. Now you’re saying I thought 2019 and 2022 were championship caliber teams? You’re actually doing somewhat well in this argument you really don’t need to jump to lying, especially at this point. It's like you don't know Phil at all. All along David F and Dan say the reason we aren't moving along in the playoffs is Kirk.....doesn't matter what the roster is....I said pick a year where we had a good roster. He picked a year and I asked him point blank if it was a championship roster....if it isn't they will blame Kirk or his salary, exactly his response once again....it is what Kirk haters do. Rinse, repeat. 2019 and 2022 were not championship rosters; 0.0% to do with the QB. 2023 may have the most competitive roster Kirk has had to QB...

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 5:41:15 PM)
Technically, you said pick a year when Kirk had a top 10 defense and a top 10 offense and David did.

Murph -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 7:19:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: David F. You asked a question and I provided the answer. Now you’re saying I thought 2019 and 2022 were championship caliber teams? You’re actually doing somewhat well in this argument you really don’t need to jump to lying, especially at this point. It's like you don't know Phil at all. All along David F and Dan say the reason we aren't moving along in the playoffs is Kirk.....doesn't matter what the roster is....I said pick a year where we had a good roster. He picked a year and I asked him point blank if it was a championship roster....if it isn't they will blame Kirk or his salary, exactly his response once again....it is what Kirk haters do. Rinse, repeat. 2019 and 2022 were not championship rosters; 0.0% to do with the QB. 2023 may have the most competitive roster Kirk has had to QB... Case Keenum is better than Kirk in the spotlight. He didn't need a top 10 defense and offense to win or choke away a playoff game. Cousins will never ever lead us Super Bowl victory so why keep him around? Trade him to the 9ers, he'll waive his no trade clause for them.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 8:19:37 PM)
Im so glad im not bothered that Kirk is going to QB "our" team next season ... -a little pissed we gave up the lead to the Dodgers, though

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 9:32:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Murph quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: David F. You asked a question and I provided the answer. Now you’re saying I thought 2019 and 2022 were championship caliber teams? You’re actually doing somewhat well in this argument you really don’t need to jump to lying, especially at this point. It's like you don't know Phil at all. All along David F and Dan say the reason we aren't moving along in the playoffs is Kirk.....doesn't matter what the roster is....I said pick a year where we had a good roster. He picked a year and I asked him point blank if it was a championship roster....if it isn't they will blame Kirk or his salary, exactly his response once again....it is what Kirk haters do. Rinse, repeat. 2019 and 2022 were not championship rosters; 0.0% to do with the QB. 2023 may have the most competitive roster Kirk has had to QB... Case Keenum is better than Kirk in the spotlight. He didn't need a top 10 defense and offense to win or choke away a playoff game. Cousins will never ever lead us Super Bowl victory so why keep him around? Trade him to the 9ers, he'll waive his no trade clause for them. Case keenum is probably available

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/17/2023 9:33:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Technically, you said pick a year when Kirk had a top 10 defense and a top 10 offense and David did. Where did the coaching staff rank?

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/18/2023 7:38:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens Technically, you said pick a year when Kirk had a top 10 defense and a top 10 offense and David did. Where did the coaching staff rank? That wasn't the question.

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