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Karl Juhnke -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/6/2024 10:01:49 PM)

Oof. Bad loss.




David Levine -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/6/2024 11:07:05 PM)

Alan Horton@WolvesRadio
In their last 10 games, the Wolves have lost FOUR times when they've had a 10+ point 4th quarter lead.

They hadn't lost a game all season in that scenario over the first 41 games.




JT2 -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 12:07:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Alan Horton@WolvesRadio
In their last 10 games, the Wolves have lost FOUR times when they've had a 10+ point 4th quarter lead.

They hadn't lost a game all season in that scenario over the first 41 games.


There have been some warning signs, struggles against way lesser teams, not closing, etc.
It's the NBA, sometimes 15 point underdogs win. We've been pretty good about not losing those games, and that's great, but we're not playoff/championship level yet, IMO. But that's what I want.

You're right about Edwards, and I don't even like being critical of him, but his shot selection and game awareness is lacking. He's better than Jalen Green, but often times he plays like him. That's not a good thing.

My fear is that we're going to wear out Conley and Gobert during the regular season. We're not bench deep at all, and that matters for the regular season, especially when you have to run heavy minutes for Conley and Gobert.

I'm really excited about Thursday, and a little worried. We need to be aggressive and improve this roster. Not sure we will.




JT2 -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 12:28:30 AM)

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Jaden McDaniel has been a big disappointment for me this year, I don’t see much improvement from him, foul machine, and tons of turnovers


I'm not so sure about that. I expect him to get in foul trouble because he's the best, most versatile, aggressive defender on this team. His turnover rate is better than last season.

I kind of see him as a bigger, longer version of Anunoby. I'm happy that his focus is defense right now. He's probably the glue guy on this team. His stats don't tell the story. Don't get me wrong, we need another creator/scorer but he's not at all a problem, he's the solution, especially if you intend to succeed in the postseason.




JT2 -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 12:58:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Maybe not the right place, but I should have also included OKC in the post above. They are really good, and I do think they will be aggressive on the deadline. I think they could have some interest in Caruso. I think he would make them better. Anyway, I think it's great that the Wolves, and the Thunder, are forces to be reckoned with. Ain't nobody in the West scared of the Lakers or the Warriors. I like change.


I'd go after Markkanen if I was them.

Fits their timeline, perfect fit offensively and he helps their biggest (only?) weakness - rebounding.

They're going to need to start turning those picks into players. I think he'd be a great choice.

And then pick up a cheap BIG like Drummond. He's still one of the best rebounders in the game and he gives them a huge body to throw at guys like Jokic, Rudy and Embiid.


Markkanen would give them a pretty great front court, but I think their lack of offensive rebounding is by design, they get back on D.

I actually love the Drummond idea for them. He would be a great bench piece and imagine the lessons learned for Holmgren having to battle that rebounding beast every day.

Right now, I think they need a quality back court mate for SGA. Giddey isn't it.




JT2 -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 1:12:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Its amazing how well OKC has situated themselves. They aren't in a financial situation where they need to make roster decisions until 2026. Their 2nd biggest cap hit this year is the 27.6M in dead money from waived players they took on to acquire picks. Bertans is 3rd. Dort is 4th.

They literally are only paying SGA and Dort to pay basketball. 44.6M of their 153M payroll is just trade assets that barely suit up.


They're in a great position. They are young and good. Holmgren is better than I thought he would be. Williams is the real deal, and SGA is crazy good. And Daigneault seems like he knows what he is doing. OKC is set up to be the team to beat in the West.




David Levine -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 10:29:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Alan Horton@WolvesRadio
In their last 10 games, the Wolves have lost FOUR times when they've had a 10+ point 4th quarter lead.

They hadn't lost a game all season in that scenario over the first 41 games.


There have been some warning signs, struggles against way lesser teams, not closing, etc.
It's the NBA, sometimes 15 point underdogs win. We've been pretty good about not losing those games, and that's great, but we're not playoff/championship level yet, IMO. But that's what I want.

You're right about Edwards, and I don't even like being critical of him, but his shot selection and game awareness is lacking. He's better than Jalen Green, but often times he plays like him. That's not a good thing.

My fear is that we're going to wear out Conley and Gobert during the regular season. We're not bench deep at all, and that matters for the regular season, especially when you have to run heavy minutes for Conley and Gobert.

I'm really excited about Thursday, and a little worried. We need to be aggressive and improve this roster. Not sure we will.


I think the book is out on us. Pack the paint late and Ant will turn it over multiple times. Hopefully that's growing pains as he learns to pass the ball. But right now, his passes are often off-target, illadvised or mistimed. He also needs to figure out if he gives the ball up early, he's going to get it back - and in a much better position than if he dribbles it for 15 seconds. And holy shit, you have arguably the best screener in the game in Gobert - quite ignoring the screens he's setting for you.

I'm also losing faith in Finch. The players love him, but the game is getting too big for him. Firstly, his idea to play a free-flow EuroLeague style of ball does not mesh well with guys like Ant, Jaden and KAT that aren't really instinctive players - or guys that can see the game 1-2 passes ahead. And his substitutions, "saving" timeouts and bizarre challenges make me feel like he's in over his head.

I think he's a "transition" coach. A guy to get us away from the mess that was Ryan and to prep us for a real coach.

Right now, Daigneault might be my favorite coach in the league. He has a crazy young team, but they're always a unit on both sides of the ball. Always in the right spots, always making the right decisions, always knowing what the other 4 guys are doing.




twinsfan -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 1:12:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Alan Horton@WolvesRadio
In their last 10 games, the Wolves have lost FOUR times when they've had a 10+ point 4th quarter lead.

They hadn't lost a game all season in that scenario over the first 41 games.


There have been some warning signs, struggles against way lesser teams, not closing, etc.
It's the NBA, sometimes 15 point underdogs win. We've been pretty good about not losing those games, and that's great, but we're not playoff/championship level yet, IMO. But that's what I want.

You're right about Edwards, and I don't even like being critical of him, but his shot selection and game awareness is lacking. He's better than Jalen Green, but often times he plays like him. That's not a good thing.

My fear is that we're going to wear out Conley and Gobert during the regular season. We're not bench deep at all, and that matters for the regular season, especially when you have to run heavy minutes for Conley and Gobert.

I'm really excited about Thursday, and a little worried. We need to be aggressive and improve this roster. Not sure we will.


I think the book is out on us. Pack the paint late and Ant will turn it over multiple times. Hopefully that's growing pains as he learns to pass the ball. But right now, his passes are often off-target, illadvised or mistimed. He also needs to figure out if he gives the ball up early, he's going to get it back - and in a much better position than if he dribbles it for 15 seconds. And holy shit, you have arguably the best screener in the game in Gobert - quite ignoring the screens he's setting for you.

I'm also losing faith in Finch. The players love him, but the game is getting too big for him. Firstly, his idea to play a free-flow EuroLeague style of ball does not mesh well with guys like Ant, Jaden and KAT that aren't really instinctive players - or guys that can see the game 1-2 passes ahead. And his substitutions, "saving" timeouts and bizarre challenges make me feel like he's in over his head.

I think he's a "transition" coach. A guy to get us away from the mess that was Ryan and to prep us for a real coach.

Right now, Daigneault might be my favorite coach in the league. He has a crazy young team, but they're always a unit on both sides of the ball. Always in the right spots, always making the right decisions, always knowing what the other 4 guys are doing.

Makes me wonder how good we could be if we had stuck with Ryan Saunders.




David Levine -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 1:21:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Alan Horton@WolvesRadio
In their last 10 games, the Wolves have lost FOUR times when they've had a 10+ point 4th quarter lead.

They hadn't lost a game all season in that scenario over the first 41 games.


There have been some warning signs, struggles against way lesser teams, not closing, etc.
It's the NBA, sometimes 15 point underdogs win. We've been pretty good about not losing those games, and that's great, but we're not playoff/championship level yet, IMO. But that's what I want.

You're right about Edwards, and I don't even like being critical of him, but his shot selection and game awareness is lacking. He's better than Jalen Green, but often times he plays like him. That's not a good thing.

My fear is that we're going to wear out Conley and Gobert during the regular season. We're not bench deep at all, and that matters for the regular season, especially when you have to run heavy minutes for Conley and Gobert.

I'm really excited about Thursday, and a little worried. We need to be aggressive and improve this roster. Not sure we will.


I think the book is out on us. Pack the paint late and Ant will turn it over multiple times. Hopefully that's growing pains as he learns to pass the ball. But right now, his passes are often off-target, illadvised or mistimed. He also needs to figure out if he gives the ball up early, he's going to get it back - and in a much better position than if he dribbles it for 15 seconds. And holy shit, you have arguably the best screener in the game in Gobert - quite ignoring the screens he's setting for you.

I'm also losing faith in Finch. The players love him, but the game is getting too big for him. Firstly, his idea to play a free-flow EuroLeague style of ball does not mesh well with guys like Ant, Jaden and KAT that aren't really instinctive players - or guys that can see the game 1-2 passes ahead. And his substitutions, "saving" timeouts and bizarre challenges make me feel like he's in over his head.

I think he's a "transition" coach. A guy to get us away from the mess that was Ryan and to prep us for a real coach.

Right now, Daigneault might be my favorite coach in the league. He has a crazy young team, but they're always a unit on both sides of the ball. Always in the right spots, always making the right decisions, always knowing what the other 4 guys are doing.

Makes me wonder how good we could be if we had stuck with Ryan Saunders.


Not good.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 3:23:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Alan Horton@WolvesRadio
In their last 10 games, the Wolves have lost FOUR times when they've had a 10+ point 4th quarter lead.

They hadn't lost a game all season in that scenario over the first 41 games.


There have been some warning signs, struggles against way lesser teams, not closing, etc.
It's the NBA, sometimes 15 point underdogs win. We've been pretty good about not losing those games, and that's great, but we're not playoff/championship level yet, IMO. But that's what I want.

You're right about Edwards, and I don't even like being critical of him, but his shot selection and game awareness is lacking. He's better than Jalen Green, but often times he plays like him. That's not a good thing.

My fear is that we're going to wear out Conley and Gobert during the regular season. We're not bench deep at all, and that matters for the regular season, especially when you have to run heavy minutes for Conley and Gobert.

I'm really excited about Thursday, and a little worried. We need to be aggressive and improve this roster. Not sure we will.


I think the book is out on us. Pack the paint late and Ant will turn it over multiple times. Hopefully that's growing pains as he learns to pass the ball. But right now, his passes are often off-target, illadvised or mistimed. He also needs to figure out if he gives the ball up early, he's going to get it back - and in a much better position than if he dribbles it for 15 seconds. And holy shit, you have arguably the best screener in the game in Gobert - quite ignoring the screens he's setting for you.

I'm also losing faith in Finch. The players love him, but the game is getting too big for him. Firstly, his idea to play a free-flow EuroLeague style of ball does not mesh well with guys like Ant, Jaden and KAT that aren't really instinctive players - or guys that can see the game 1-2 passes ahead. And his substitutions, "saving" timeouts and bizarre challenges make me feel like he's in over his head.

I think he's a "transition" coach. A guy to get us away from the mess that was Ryan and to prep us for a real coach.

Right now, Daigneault might be my favorite coach in the league. He has a crazy young team, but they're always a unit on both sides of the ball. Always in the right spots, always making the right decisions, always knowing what the other 4 guys are doing.

Makes me wonder how good we could be if we had stuck with Ryan Saunders.


Not good.


Yeah he hasn't been anything but an Asst anywhere else.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 3:49:46 PM)

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
The Detroit Pistons are finalizing a deal to send guard Monte Morris to the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell
@TheAthletic

@Stadium
.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 3:52:03 PM)

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Timberwolves are sending Shake Milton, Troy Brown Jr. and one second-round pick to Detroit for Monte Morris, sources said.


Jon Krawczynski
@JonKrawczynski
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6m
The Wolves are sending their own 2030 second-round pick to Detroit in the deal, sources said.




David Levine -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 3:57:04 PM)

Very good deal for us.




David Levine -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 4:36:24 PM)

I posted this on Canis 2 weeks ago:

The more I think about it, the more he makes the most sense as a target.

AST/TO Ratio NBA Leaders:
2019: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Monte Morris
2020: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Monte Morris
2021: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Monte Morris, #3 Jevon Carter, #4 Chris Paul
2022: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Tre Jones, #3 Jordan MacLaughlin, #4 Chris Paul, #5 Monte Morris
2023: #1 Monte Morris, #2 Tyus Jones, #4 Chris Paul, #6 Mike Conley

So he gives us that steady stability we need when Conley is out.

Career Shooting #s (Ignoring his rookie year where he played 3 games):
2018: 49/41/80
2019: 46/38/84
2020: 48/38/80
2021: 48/39/87
2022: 48/38/83

And he also gives us a ridiculously consistent scorer off the bench.

He's likely a guy you can resign in the offseason to back up Conley at a much lower price than Tyus as well. And he's only 10 months older than Tyus, so he should remain productive through his next contract.

And you can't discount that he spent 6 seasons in Denver with Connelly.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 4:47:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I posted this on Canis 2 weeks ago:

The more I think about it, the more he makes the most sense as a target.

AST/TO Ratio NBA Leaders:
2019: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Monte Morris
2020: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Monte Morris
2021: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Monte Morris, #3 Jevon Carter, #4 Chris Paul
2022: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Tre Jones, #3 Jordan MacLaughlin, #4 Chris Paul, #5 Monte Morris
2023: #1 Monte Morris, #2 Tyus Jones, #4 Chris Paul, #6 Mike Conley

So he gives us that steady stability we need when Conley is out.

Career Shooting #s (Ignoring his rookie year where he played 3 games):
2018: 49/41/80
2019: 46/38/84
2020: 48/38/80
2021: 48/39/87
2022: 48/38/83

And he also gives us a ridiculously consistent scorer off the bench.

He's likely a guy you can resign in the offseason to back up Conley at a much lower price than Tyus as well. And he's only 10 months older than Tyus, so he should remain productive through his next contract.

And you can't discount that he spent 6 seasons in Denver with Connelly.


If only Hayward would get a buyout and sign with us now....




David Levine -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 5:08:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I posted this on Canis 2 weeks ago:

The more I think about it, the more he makes the most sense as a target.

AST/TO Ratio NBA Leaders:
2019: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Monte Morris
2020: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Monte Morris
2021: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Monte Morris, #3 Jevon Carter, #4 Chris Paul
2022: #1 Tyus Jones, #2 Tre Jones, #3 Jordan MacLaughlin, #4 Chris Paul, #5 Monte Morris
2023: #1 Monte Morris, #2 Tyus Jones, #4 Chris Paul, #6 Mike Conley

So he gives us that steady stability we need when Conley is out.

Career Shooting #s (Ignoring his rookie year where he played 3 games):
2018: 49/41/80
2019: 46/38/84
2020: 48/38/80
2021: 48/39/87
2022: 48/38/83

And he also gives us a ridiculously consistent scorer off the bench.

He's likely a guy you can resign in the offseason to back up Conley at a much lower price than Tyus as well. And he's only 10 months older than Tyus, so he should remain productive through his next contract.

And you can't discount that he spent 6 seasons in Denver with Connelly.


If only Hayward would get a buyout and sign with us now....


Unlikely. It appears that keeping his Bird Rights is more important to him than joining a contender.




Karl Juhnke -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/7/2024 9:02:06 PM)

Basically got him for nothing. Milton and Brown had been shut down. Weren’t contributing anything.

I didn’t see how they’d be able to add anything of value but they managed it. Good deal.




TJSweens -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/8/2024 6:55:07 AM)

This deal should help one of the Wolves biggest issues. Things tend to get disorganized when Connelly is off the floor. Especially when decides to try hero baĺl. Morris should fix that.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/8/2024 7:15:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

This deal should help one of the Wolves biggest issues. Things tend to get disorganized when Connelly is off the floor. Especially when decides to try hero baĺl. Morris should fix that.


Matt I mean Sweens I didn't know the GM played PG.




Karl Juhnke -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/8/2024 8:38:21 AM)

In addition to the trade helping on a daily basis, it’s a tremendous insurance policy if Conley goes down, which it always seems it’s tough to keep him healthy. If he gets a serious injury, they would have been done. Could you imagine going into playoffs with JMac and PG by committee?




Phil Riewer -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/8/2024 10:42:13 AM)

The one more add we could use:


Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
·
50m
Oklahoma City is closing in on a trade to acquire Gordon Hayward from Charlotte, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.




David Levine -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/8/2024 11:09:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The one more add we could use:


Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
·
50m
Oklahoma City is closing in on a trade to acquire Gordon Hayward from Charlotte, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.


We had no way to trade for him.




twinsfan -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/8/2024 12:48:52 PM)

I love the acquisition of Monte Morris. He was the leader of some great Nuggets teams.




Karl Juhnke -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/8/2024 8:20:13 PM)

Wolves up 10 at half vs. Bucks. Put it in the books. This one is over. Great win!




David Levine -> RE: Timberwolves 2023 - 2024 Season (2/8/2024 11:12:55 PM)

One of Ant's very best games of his career.

He's shot better, and put up bigger numbers, but his decision making was the best I've ever seen from him.




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