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ORIGINAL: marty

I am guessing with the injury concerns, that Penix is most likely to get drafted in the 2nd round.

IF you're going to gamble on him, would it make sense to move back into the 20s and draft him there, after getting an extra pick or 2 for 11 ?

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

I suppose that's possible if you're including this year's 11th overall pick. Probably take next year's #2 instead of 3. Very good chance 1 of Maye or McCarthy will be available at 11 if we don't move up.
Do you believe either or both of them will be Super Bowl quality QBs?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

I suppose that's possible if you're including this year's 11th overall pick. Probably take next year's #2 instead of 3. Very good chance 1 of Maye or McCarthy will be available at 11 if we don't move up.
Do you believe either or both of them will be Super Bowl quality QBs?

I'm an absolute no on McCarthy. The first quarter of the semifinal game was all I needed to see.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Have you seen his podcasts?

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Have you seen his podcasts?

I'd rather you take my eye out with a spoon.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

I suppose that's possible if you're including this year's 11th overall pick. Probably take next year's #2 instead of 3. Very good chance 1 of Maye or McCarthy will be available at 11 if we don't move up.
Do you believe either or both of them will be Super Bowl quality QBs?

I'm an absolute no on McCarthy. The first quarter of the semifinal game was all I needed to see.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

I suppose that's possible if you're including this year's 11th overall pick. Probably take next year's #2 instead of 3. Very good chance 1 of Maye or McCarthy will be available at 11 if we don't move up.
Do you believe either or both of them will be Super Bowl quality QBs?

I'm an absolute no on McCarthy. The first quarter of the semifinal game was all I needed to see.

HOF then?[&:]

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

I suppose that's possible if you're including this year's 11th overall pick. Probably take next year's #2 instead of 3. Very good chance 1 of Maye or McCarthy will be available at 11 if we don't move up.
Do you believe either or both of them will be Super Bowl quality QBs?

I'm an absolute no on McCarthy. The first quarter of the semifinal game was all I needed to see.

HOF then?[&:]

McCarthy had a sensational team around him. He doesn't strike me as a great NFL player.

Here is some of the other quarterbacks that won national titles over the past 20 years. It doesn't equate to greatness in the NFL:

Stetson Bennett
Mac Jones
Joe Burrow
Tua
Trevor Lawrence
Jalen Hurts
Deshaun Watson
Jake Coker
Cardale Jones
Jameis Winston
AJ McCarron
Cam Newton
Greg McElroy
Tim Tebow
Matt Flynn
Chris Leek
Vince Young
Matt Leinert
Matt Mauck
Craig Krenzel

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Gun to my head I think getting to 5 for JJM is the most prudent move.

What do you propose as the cost to trade up from 11 to 5? What if McCarthy is gone, but Maye is available?

Maybe next years #1 and a 3rd?

And yes to Maye.

I suppose that's possible if you're including this year's 11th overall pick. Probably take next year's #2 instead of 3. Very good chance 1 of Maye or McCarthy will be available at 11 if we don't move up.
Do you believe either or both of them will be Super Bowl quality QBs?

I'm an absolute no on McCarthy. The first quarter of the semifinal game was all I needed to see.

HOF then?[&:]

McCarthy had a sensational team around him. He doesn't strike me as a great NFL player.

Here is some of the other quarterbacks that won national titles over the past 20 years. It doesn't equate to greatness in the NFL:

Stetson Bennett
Mac Jones
Joe Burrow
Tua
Trevor Lawrence
Jalen Hurts
Deshaun Watson
Jake Coker
Cardale Jones
Jameis Winston
AJ McCarron
Cam Newton
Greg McElroy
Tim Tebow
Matt Flynn
Chris Leek
Vince Young
Matt Leinert
Matt Mauck
Craig Krenzel

7 of those have had a lot of success. Way better than average success rate for QB draft picks.

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ORIGINAL: marty

A lot of decent QBs who may have won a Super Bowl, IF they had a Dilfer-like Ravens supporting cast.

Interesting that none of them have won a Super Bowl, and I am wondering if it could be argued that any of them carried a weak team to a National title ?

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: marty

A lot of decent QBs who may have won a Super Bowl, IF they had a Dilfer-like Ravens supporting cast.

Interesting that none of them have won a Super Bowl, and I am wondering if it could be argued that any of them carried a weak team to a National title ?

In the 20 years referenced by Brad it should be noted that Superbowls were won by Brady (7), Eli Manning (2) over Brady, Peyton Manning (2), Drew Brees, Nick Foles (over Brady). Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Mahomes (3)

All but Foles and probably Falcco are HOFers.


So how many titles they won is hard to compare with that competition.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: marty

A lot of decent QBs who may have won a Super Bowl, IF they had a Dilfer-like Ravens supporting cast.

Interesting that none of them have won a Super Bowl, and I am wondering if it could be argued that any of them carried a weak team to a National title ?

In the 20 years referenced by Brad it should be noted that Superbowls were won by Brady (7), Eli Manning (2) over Brady, Peyton Manning (2), Drew Brees, Nick Foles (over Brady). Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Mahomes (3)

All but Foles and probably Falcco are HOFers.


So how many titles they won is hard to compare with that competition.

That's why they are winners, and the others aren't. College titles do not equate to NFL titles. That was the point.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: marty

A lot of decent QBs who may have won a Super Bowl, IF they had a Dilfer-like Ravens supporting cast.

Interesting that none of them have won a Super Bowl, and I am wondering if it could be argued that any of them carried a weak team to a National title ?

In the 20 years referenced by Brad it should be noted that Superbowls were won by Brady (7), Eli Manning (2) over Brady, Peyton Manning (2), Drew Brees, Nick Foles (over Brady). Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Mahomes (3)

All but Foles and probably Falcco are HOFers.


So how many titles they won is hard to compare with that competition.

That's why they are winners, and the others aren't. College titles do not equate to NFL titles. That was the point.

True. They don't equate.

My point is that the Superbowl Quarterbacking has been a very small sample size compared to the number of QBs that have played in the league in the same timeframe. Monopolized by the Brady's Mannings, and other HOF worthy QBs of the era. I will bet every one of those Superbowl, winning or even losing QBs knew when to spike a football in a two minute drill....unlike a certain now former Viking QB.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: marty

A lot of decent QBs who may have won a Super Bowl, IF they had a Dilfer-like Ravens supporting cast.

Interesting that none of them have won a Super Bowl, and I am wondering if it could be argued that any of them carried a weak team to a National title ?

In the 20 years referenced by Brad it should be noted that Superbowls were won by Brady (7), Eli Manning (2) over Brady, Peyton Manning (2), Drew Brees, Nick Foles (over Brady). Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Mahomes (3)

All but Foles and probably Falcco are HOFers.


So how many titles they won is hard to compare with that competition.

That's why they are winners, and the others aren't. College titles do not equate to NFL titles. That was the point.

True. They don't equate.

My point is that the Superbowl Quarterbacking has been a very small sample size compared to the number of QBs that have played in the league in the same timeframe. Monopolized by the Brady's Mannings, and other HOF worthy QBs of the era. I will bet every one of those Superbowl, winning or even losing QBs knew when to spike a football in a two minute drill....unlike a certain now former Viking QB.

That's why they are Hall of Famers. They all won when it mattered and made a habit of it. Brady was an average quarterback in college (30 TD's, 17 INT's).

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'd take him.

Michael Penix Jr: SPECIAL Talent With Some Baggage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUN_4zochQY&ab_channel=TankSports