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kgdabom -> RE: 2024 Draft (2/25/2024 1:29:54 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens
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The vast majority of the most current mocks have JJ McCarthy going in the top 10 picks now. I just poured through a slew of them and the latest I saw McCarthy picked was by the Vikings at #11. I've also read that NFL scouts like JJ better than the evaluators on draft sites.
If he is there at #11, the Vikings should pounce. He won't be on the board if they trade back.
The mocks having McCarthy go earlier are sheep mentality. Somebody hears somebody bleating McCarthy they fall in line Baaaa... Baaa.... If we don't get him. No big loss. I'd rather get the great pass rushers available at 11. I could be wrong. He might be worth pick 11. I think he isn't.
Yes, we get it. The two guys who agree with are NFL gurus. Anyone who likes McCarthy is a sheep. [&o] Sites like CBS, the Athletic and SI are moving McCarthy up because they have found the actual NFL teams are higher on McCarthy than the draft gurus with websites.
I see a guy who would go higher if he wasn't constrained by one of the few offenses more run heavy than the Gophers. I'll be very happy if the Vikings can get him at 12.
This is the issue.
I wouldn’t mind landing either McCarthy or Penix … but now that KG has gotten involved, he makes it impossible not to pull for the guy he is trying so hard to poop on.
First of all I don't agree with those Guru's you are talking about. I have McCarthy above Penix. Why do you want to turn a discussion into an argument or fight? Why do you insist on misrepresenting my stance?
I've said nothing bad about McCarthy. Not one tiny little thing. I've been very complimentary of him saying he's probably worth a late first round pick. That is far from pooping on him. About 3 weeks ago McCarthy was universally considered a 2nd round pick. I guess CBS, SI and the Athletic are more complimentary than me now. We haven't even made it to the combine and they've moved McCarthy up their draft boards 40 picks or more. That's why I call the people moving McCarthy up draft boards massive amounts sheep. They got nothing to go on. Klatt and Brooks are less complimentary. I think that makes me pretty middle of the road and uncommitted regarding him.
I've told you before, point blank, I don't think you argue your points honestly.
In this case, start with you arguing that 'you haven't said one tiny' bad thing about McCarthy / you've been 'very complimentary' ... instead of admitting that you said 'he's nothing special' and unworthy of #11.
There's nothing wrong with thinking Penix is far better than McCarthy ... just don't be so obtuse about it.
Next go to your comments about Klatt and Brooks as 'very nice endorsements' for Penix ... when TJ refers to a bunch of mocks favoring McCarthy over Penix – which is true of my experience as well – the vein in your neck pops out and you go on about THOSE draftniks being bleating sheep! Even though no specific names were referred to. They're sheep because they didn't agree with you.
You mocked Penix and gawd durn it that makes it scripture.
It happens every draft cycle.
If you can't see it, it can't be explained to you.
Saying he sucks would be a bad thing. Saying he's not worthy of 11 in the draft and he's nothing special is not. Calling somebody worthy of a first round pick is quite complimentary. I DON'T think Penix is far better than McCarthy. I don't even think he's as good as McCarthy. I am mind boggled by people's lack of reading comprehension. All I did was share the thinking of 2 pretty highly respected draft analysts who like Penix better. I mocked Penix because McCarthy was not available at the time. I also have Nix above Penix. So how on Earth did you get the idea that I preferred Penix to McCarthy???? I'm among the sheep who prefer McCarthy to Penix I guess. The reason I called those sources bleating sheep is because McCarthy hasn't done one single thing to cause his stock to rise, but it has risen around 40 places in all these mocks for no reason at all.
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