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stfrank -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 7:57:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

Ha, it is being reported that Aaron Jones is signing with us...lmao!

Dude wants revenge!

From the Athletic:
Aaron Jones, Vikings agree to deal 1 day after Packers release RB: Sources




Murph -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 7:59:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stfrank

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

Ha, it is being reported that Aaron Jones is signing with us...lmao!

Dude wants revenge!

From the Athletic:
Aaron Jones, Vikings agree to deal 1 day after Packers release RB: Sources



Huge upgrade over Mattison




Chris Olson -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 8:05:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Importing this from DN:

Positives: Greenard basically matched Hunter in PFF score at 78 and had 12.5 sacks versus Hunter's 18 in 374 fewer snaps. PFF also forecast Greenard getting 4/$76M. He's 2.5 years younger than Hunter.

Negatives: Greenard's RAS score was 5.53 versus Hunter's 9.88. He's played 265, 413, 285, and 632 snaps versus Hunter's 882, 384 (injury in 2021), 906, 1006.

You could say Greenard as a 3rd Round pick needed 3 years to develop and be injury-free. And maybe he still has more that can be developed. Losing Hunter's 900 snaps/season though is going to be a blow. Every-down dudes are valuable.




You could say Greenard as a 3rd Round pick needed 3 years to develop and be injury-free. And maybe he still has more that can be developed. Losing Hunter's 900 snaps/season though is going to be a blow. Every-down dudes are valuable.”

Hunter was a talent but DE is not just a pass rush position…

We got gashed in the run, both up the middle and on the edges..

How many sacks did he get in Flores vaunted three man rush, with games or leads on the line?

I don’t recall him being a shut down of the caliber of DE we have had in the past.

His cap hit can go..

He is one blow to the neck/ head from being useless.

One bad tackle ..

Yea yea it can be said of any player…

I’m not hating on roster turnover after a decade of bullshit mediocrity.

I gotta agree, Dan...

Looks like Greenard's production is comparable to Hunter, just not his athleticism

I liked Hunter, but this frees up $ for other needs




Brad H -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 8:18:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Murph

quote:

ORIGINAL: stfrank

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

Ha, it is being reported that Aaron Jones is signing with us...lmao!

Dude wants revenge!

From the Athletic:
Aaron Jones, Vikings agree to deal 1 day after Packers release RB: Sources



Huge upgrade over Mattison

Quanto? I liked Jones a lot in his prime, but he's three carries from a hamstring at any moment. Hopefully it's not crazy money.




odin -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 8:44:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Even if the Lions pay all of Davenport's salary this year, he is still costing the Vikings more than that this year.

Go Kwesi!

The lesson learned is to never add players named after furniture to your team.




odin -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 8:47:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

If you have a clean bill of health Kwesi doesn’t even look at ya.

I've noticed that.


Quesy must be drooling over Penix.




odin -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 8:53:51 AM)

No more Greg Joseph kicks to stress over. https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1767512602245009902?s=20

EDIT: Joseph is unsigned, could he return to compete? Ugh




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 9:58:13 AM)

Hunter is a better pure pass rusher than any of the new guys - and actually less of an injury risk. Yes, he missed 1.5 years with a bad injury, but has played in every single other game since 2016. Including every game the past 2 years.

But the new guys are much more versatile, as all 3 are really good dropping into coverage, as well as being able to play the run or rush the QB.

They’re perfect fits for Flores if they can stay in the field.




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 9:59:14 AM)

They must think Darnold is somewhat salvageable with coaching. He’s as much of a turnover machine as Mullens, but at 5x the cost…

66 games (56 starts): 56 INTs, 38 Fumbles.

No chance they seem him as any kind of long-term answer.




TJSweens -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:24:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

They must think Darnold is salvageable with coaching. He’s as much of a turnover machine as Mullens, but at 5x the cost…

66 games (56 starts): 56 INTs, 38 Fumbles.

Any chance they dump Mullens now? Assuming they draft a QB at #1, he would be the backup (especially if they trade up). They still would have Hall to hold the clipboard.




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:25:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

They must think Darnold is salvageable with coaching. He’s as much of a turnover machine as Mullens, but at 5x the cost…

66 games (56 starts): 56 INTs, 38 Fumbles.

Any chance they dump Mullens now? Assuming they draft a QB at #1, he would be the backup (especially if they trade up). They still would have Hall to hold the clipboard.


Probably. I think we save 1.8M if we dump him.




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:26:31 AM)

Vikings agree to terms with K John Parker Romo

With Greg Joseph set to hit unrestricted free agency on Wednesday, the Minnesota Vikings have signed a kicker to, at the very least, bring into camp for some competition with either Joseph or somebody else.

The Vikings have announced that they have agreed to terms with kicker John Parker Romo.

You have no idea who John Parker Romo is, and until a few minutes ago I didn’t either. So, let’s learn together, shall we?

Romo played his college ball at three different schools: Central Arkansas, Tulsa, and Virginia Tech. After he finished college in 2022, he signed with the New Orleans Saints as an undrafted free agent but didn’t make the squad.From there, he signed with the San Antonio Brahmas of the XFL, and went on to make the All-XFL team that season. He connected on 17-of-19 field goals that season, including a 57-yarder that stood as the XFL record until another kicker connected on a 59-yarder later that year.

Romo then tried out for the Detroit Lions and wound up getting signed by them in May of 2023, but was cut by them during the final roster cutdowns. He then wound up on the Chicago Bears’ practice squad but was let go by the Bears in October and had not been on a roster since then.

The Vikings are, apparently, hoping that Romo can follow in the footsteps of last year’s kicking sensation, Brandon Aubrey of the Dallas Cowboys. Aubrey spent a couple of seasons in the USFL, and upon arriving in Dallas connected on 36-of-38 field goals last season en route to being named a First-Team All-Pro at the position. I’m certainly not saying it’s a lock that Romo is going to follow the same trajectory, but a kicker coming in from one of the spring leagues and having success in the NFL certainly wouldn’t be totally unprecedented.

Welcome to Minnesota, John!

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2024/3/12/24098505/minnesota-vikings-agree-to-terms-kicker-john-parker-romo




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:26:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Importing this from DN:

Positives: Greenard basically matched Hunter in PFF score at 78 and had 12.5 sacks versus Hunter's 18 in 374 fewer snaps. PFF also forecast Greenard getting 4/$76M. He's 2.5 years younger than Hunter.

Negatives: Greenard's RAS score was 5.53 versus Hunter's 9.88. He's played 265, 413, 285, and 632 snaps versus Hunter's 882, 384 (injury in 2021), 906, 1006.

You could say Greenard as a 3rd Round pick needed 3 years to develop and be injury-free. And maybe he still has more that can be developed. Losing Hunter's 900 snaps/season though is going to be a blow. Every-down dudes are valuable.




You could say Greenard as a 3rd Round pick needed 3 years to develop and be injury-free. And maybe he still has more that can be developed. Losing Hunter's 900 snaps/season though is going to be a blow. Every-down dudes are valuable.”

Hunter was a talent but DE is not just a pass rush position…

We got gashed in the run, both up the middle and on the edges..

How many sacks did he get in Flores vaunted three man rush, with games or leads on the line?

I don’t recall him being a shut down of the caliber of DE we have had in the past.

His cap hit can go..

He is one blow to the neck/ head from being useless.

One bad tackle ..

Yea yea it can be said of any player…

I’m not hating on roster turnover after a decade of bullshit mediocrity.


Hunter aside, neither Greenard or fellow new FA Van Winkle have ever played the number of snaps we will need them to. This is especially true for Greenard since he is going to be paid more (depending on the real contract terms).




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:27:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Murph

quote:

ORIGINAL: stfrank

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

Ha, it is being reported that Aaron Jones is signing with us...lmao!

Dude wants revenge!

From the Athletic:
Aaron Jones, Vikings agree to deal 1 day after Packers release RB: Sources



Huge upgrade over Mattison


Look at Jones last five games last year when he finally got healthy, and you see roughly 110 yards per game at 5.7 yards per carry, that includes both Dallas and San Francisco in the playoffs.




marty -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:35:08 AM)

Jones is an outstanding back. IF he had gotten hurt last year, and Dillon was the Fudge's best back, I don't think the Packers make the playoffs.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:36:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

They must think Darnold is salvageable with coaching. He’s as much of a turnover machine as Mullens, but at 5x the cost…

66 games (56 starts): 56 INTs, 38 Fumbles.

Any chance they dump Mullens now? Assuming they draft a QB at #1, he would be the backup (especially if they trade up). They still would have Hall to hold the clipboard.


Probably. I think we save 1.8M if we dump him.


Cut Hall and save .7M because the QB room would be too young... but Hall is at least a prospect and they hired McCown as QB coach... but so what since most teams have a QB coach... but Mullens isn't necessarily that great mentally savvy vet...

Would like to see Hall stick around.




marty -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:36:18 AM)

With KOC not emphasizing the run, Jones could stay healthy all year, and be good for even the following year.




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:39:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

They must think Darnold is salvageable with coaching. He’s as much of a turnover machine as Mullens, but at 5x the cost…

66 games (56 starts): 56 INTs, 38 Fumbles.

Any chance they dump Mullens now? Assuming they draft a QB at #1, he would be the backup (especially if they trade up). They still would have Hall to hold the clipboard.


Probably. I think we save 1.8M if we dump him.


Cut Hall and save .7M because the QB room would be too young... but Hall is at least a prospect and they hired McCown as QB coach... but so what since most teams have a QB coach... but Mullens isn't necessarily that great mentally savvy vet...

Would like to see Hall stick around.


Would you belive Sam Darnold is only 9 months older than Hall?




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:40:03 AM)

This is a shockingly reasonable comment from DN:

LIHTX:

I wasn't a fan of Darnold when he came out and thought it was ridiculous that any team would take him in the top ten. But, with that said, he was the free agent "bridge QB" that clearly offers the most potential relative to value and more context is needed as to why the Vikings focused on him.

First, forget about his tenure with the Jets. No QB succeeds with the Jets. They're a garbage franchise where QBs go to die. When their best QB in the last 30 years is frickin' Vinny Testaverde that says a lot. Darnold was projected to be the first overall pick prior to his final year at USC. His production fell off a bit; he was still taken third overall. The Jets threw him immediately into the fire with no offensive line and no skill position weapons. He undeniably was not good. The Jets traded him to Carolina where he was projected to be the starter until he suffered a serious high ankle sprain during a preseason game requiring surgery. So Mayfield took over and was absolute crap (funny how he wasn't that bad in Tampa though with actual offensive weapons around him). Darnold came back Week 12 and Carolina went 4-2 (albeit if not for a bullshit pass interference call against Tampa they would have went 5-1). Darnold beat both Seattle and Detroit when both were in the playoff hunt. Everyone assumed Carolina would extend him, they did not -- after all, they're Carolina. Shanahan then signs him as a FA and he has such a good training camp/preseason for SF that they trade Trey Lance (their 2nd overall pick) to the Cowboys. Because Purdy was expected to miss the beginning of the year, Shanahan actually named Darnold the starter having prepared to implement a quick-hitting passing attack and complimenting it with CMC running the football of course. Shanahan thought they could win that way. But then Purdy surprised everyone by being ready to play Week 1. The rest is history.

Based on those objective facts, I just don't see Darnold as the definitive bust that he's made out to be. I'd argue that at most his résumé is "inconclusive" and possibly that of a victim of circumstance. So he was good enough for Shanahan while they were favored to go to the Super Bowl, but he's not good enough for a desperate QB-needy team like the Vikes?

Bottom line: If KOC has any QB whisperer in him than he should be able to work with Sam. The arm talent is there, he's more mobile than he's given credit for and he's still only a few years older than Daniels, Penix and Nix. NFL coaches are actually expected to tutor and develop their players, you know, not just stand on the sideline looking comatose like Buddy Ryan used to do. Andy Reid makes QBs better... Kyle Shanahan makes QBs better... Matt LaFleur makes QBs better... Mike Holmgren, Norv Turner, Bruce Arians, Tom Moore, etc. There are indicators that KOC may possess similar traits. But if not, then why is he the HC? if the only thing KOC is good for is ensuring opponents get additional points right before halftime with his perplexing clock management skills, then fire the guy. Because if KOC cannot do a damn thing for Darnold then why would anyone expect him to develop Maye, McCarthy or Nix?




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:41:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

They must think Darnold is salvageable with coaching. He’s as much of a turnover machine as Mullens, but at 5x the cost…

66 games (56 starts): 56 INTs, 38 Fumbles.

Any chance they dump Mullens now? Assuming they draft a QB at #1, he would be the backup (especially if they trade up). They still would have Hall to hold the clipboard.


Probably. I think we save 1.8M if we dump him.


Cut Hall and save .7M because the QB room would be too young... but Hall is at least a prospect and they hired McCown as QB coach... but so what since most teams have a QB coach... but Mullens isn't necessarily that great mentally savvy vet...

Would like to see Hall stick around.


Would you belive Sam Darnold is only 9 months older than Hall?


Wow. Is this the last year of 'old' players coming out of college due to COVID?




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:47:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

They must think Darnold is salvageable with coaching. He’s as much of a turnover machine as Mullens, but at 5x the cost…

66 games (56 starts): 56 INTs, 38 Fumbles.

Any chance they dump Mullens now? Assuming they draft a QB at #1, he would be the backup (especially if they trade up). They still would have Hall to hold the clipboard.


Probably. I think we save 1.8M if we dump him.


Cut Hall and save .7M because the QB room would be too young... but Hall is at least a prospect and they hired McCown as QB coach... but so what since most teams have a QB coach... but Mullens isn't necessarily that great mentally savvy vet...

Would like to see Hall stick around.


Would you belive Sam Darnold is only 9 months older than Hall?


Wow. Is this the last year of 'old' players coming out of college due to COVID?


Hall, coming off his rookie season is almost a full year older than 3-year vet Jordan Love (And a full year older than Justin Fields)

The Hall pick was really weird. He was seen as a project at best, but he was also in college for 5 years and did a 2-year Mormon mission before going to BYU - so he was drafted as a very old project.




Tom Sykes -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 10:51:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

They must think Darnold is salvageable with coaching. He’s as much of a turnover machine as Mullens, but at 5x the cost…

66 games (56 starts): 56 INTs, 38 Fumbles.

Any chance they dump Mullens now? Assuming they draft a QB at #1, he would be the backup (especially if they trade up). They still would have Hall to hold the clipboard.


Probably. I think we save 1.8M if we dump him.


Cut Hall and save .7M because the QB room would be too young... but Hall is at least a prospect and they hired McCown as QB coach... but so what since most teams have a QB coach... but Mullens isn't necessarily that great mentally savvy vet...

Would like to see Hall stick around.


Would you belive Sam Darnold is only 9 months older than Hall?


Wow. Is this the last year of 'old' players coming out of college due to COVID?


Hall, coming off his rookie season is almost a full year older than 3-year vet Jordan Love (And a full year older than Justin Fields)

The Hall pick was really weird. He was seen as a project at best, but he was also in college for 5 years and did a 2-year Mormon mission before going to BYU - so he was drafted as a very old project.

They were probably hoping that he showed up mature in a personal sense / if not a football sense, removing some of the obstacles and distractions for development.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 11:58:43 AM)

$17 million for Darnold and Jones... down the drain.

Jones could be Earl Campbell in his prime, but he's not going anywhere behind this shambles of an IOL. Not going to be hoodwinked again with Kwesi throwing $ at a RB.

Darnold's claim to fame is he beat out Trey Lance for the SF backup spot. There were/are cheaper bridge QBs out there.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 12:02:55 PM)

I get not everything can be addressed, and it might be prudent to actually save some cap. But so far the OL and DL has been totally neglected, unless one believes Brandel starts at G in which case it is a different kind of neglect.

Seeing defenders move the LOS several yards into the backfield time and again is (fill in with your own word).




Trekgeekscott -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 12:10:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million for Darnold and Jones... down the drain.

Jones could be Earl Campbell in his prime, but he's not going anywhere behind this shambles of an IOL. Not going to be hoodwinked again with Kwesi throwing $ at a RB.

Darnold's claim to fame is he beat out Trey Lance for the SF backup spot. There were/are cheaper bridge QBs out there.


And there are posters that wanted us to get Lance. What does that tell you?




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