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Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/1/2024 6:57:33 PM)

And he isn’t even remotely worth that..




marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/1/2024 7:39:35 PM)

I would only agree to trading JJ if the Vikings could get 2 1st rounders in return.




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/1/2024 9:47:28 PM)

Name one receiver who would be worth 2 firsts?

None.

No GM with half a brain is giving up that for a position that colleges produce like maggots in a Trump diaper.




marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/1/2024 10:07:13 PM)

Tyreek Hill netted a 1st, a 2nd, 2 4ths and a 6th.

Davante Adams netted a 1st and a 2nd.

Jefferson is younger, should get 2 1sts, or no deal.




Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/1/2024 10:08:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Name one receiver who would be worth 2 firsts?

None.

No GM with half a brain is giving up that for a position that colleges produce like maggots in a Trump diaper.

Itll be your boy wearing the diaper first, my friend ... bank on it




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 1:45:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Name one receiver who would be worth 2 firsts?

None.

No GM with half a brain is giving up that for a position that colleges produce like maggots in a Trump diaper.

Itll be your boy wearing the diaper first, my friend ... bank on it

Count on Dan to take this simple football related debate and turn it political and disgusting.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 9:26:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
Name one receiver who would be worth 2 firsts?
None.
No GM with half a brain is giving up that for a position that colleges produce like maggots in a Trump diaper.


Again someone with a differing opinion doesn't make them wrong...or were you trying to be funny?




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 9:32:13 AM)

Bill your takes have been so off. Pawn everyone that is closer to correct as a Kwesi soldier or whatever....[&:]

Even if you are given credit for Kirk...they tried to resign him.
Tank...nope
No money in cap to be aggressive in FA and improve roster....nope
JJ take...going to be a nope.

He is left with IOL and IDL takes but there is 17 million in cap left so they may be punting on those 2. So that is also a nope.

If I figure 1/2 right on Kirk..... .5/5

Puts you at 10% correct.

Haven't even talked about the salary cap or your top 51 takes.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 9:46:06 AM)

Dustin Baker
@DustBaker
The Vikings' notable swaps from 2023 to 2024.

[Old ➡️ New]

Greg Joseph ➡️ Will Reichard
Kirk Cousins ➡️ J.J. McCarthy
K.J. Osborn ➡️ Brandon Powell
Dalton Risner ➡️ Blake Brandel
Jordan Hicks ➡️ Blake Cashman
Alexander Mattison ➡️ Aaron Jones
Danielle Hunter ➡️ Jonathan Greenard
Marcus Davenport ➡️ Andrew Van Ginkel




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 10:49:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Dustin Baker
@DustBaker
The Vikings' notable swaps from 2023 to 2024.

[Old ➡️ New]

Greg Joseph ➡️ Will Reichard


Joseph was decent, and Reichard is a rookie... Reichard may turn out to be the next Vinateri, or he could be garbage, so for now this is a step down. but not much of a change.

quote:

Kirk Cousins ➡️ J.J. McCarthy


Kirk Cousins was having his best year before injury, did some things well like Accurate throws didn't throw a lot of INTs etc...but certainly had his warts (trouble in big games, two minute drill etc). JJ McCarthy is a rookie and thus an enigma. for now this is a slight loss but could be a huge gain.

quote:

K.J. Osborn ➡️ Brandon Powell


This is a push. Osborn did ok as WR3, but Powell gave us a spark at times and can return kicks too.

quote:

Dalton Risner ➡️ Blake Brandel


Risner was better so this is a step down

quote:

Jordan Hicks ➡️ Blake Cashman


Hicks was one of the most underrated guys on our D imho. tackle machine. step down IMHO

quote:

Alexander Mattison ➡️ Aaron Jones
HUGE step up. I though Mattison would be a lot better than he ended up. I was wrong. He's a great backup, not suited for a starting role.

quote:

Danielle Hunter ➡️ Jonathan Greenard
No matter how good Greenard turns out to be this is a step down. Hunter's loss will be felt.

quote:

Marcus Davenport ➡️ Andrew Van Ginkel


By the simple fact that Van Ginkel will be on the field this is a HUGE step up.


I only really am concerned about the losses of Hicks and Hunter, hope that Greenard, Cashman and Van Ginkel and now drafting Turner will aleviate my concerns....We shall see.

It's going to be fun




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 10:56:41 AM)

What I saw with the 3 key replacements for Hicks and Hunter is that they are still very good but better at defending the pass than Hicks or Hunter (according to PFF). How that plays out....we shall see.




Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 11:14:38 AM)

I would say this about our edge players this year to last year.

We took 4-3 DEs (Hunter and Jones) and asked them to be 3-4 edges. These guys on occasion had to drop into coverage. They looked lost.

The guys we have now are 3-4 edge guys. I expect an overall improvement in this area. Especially with better depth.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 11:38:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Dustin Baker
@DustBaker
The Vikings' notable swaps from 2023 to 2024.

[Old ➡️ New]

Greg Joseph ➡️ Will Reichard


Joseph was decent, and Reichard is a rookie... Reichard may turn out to be the next Vinateri, or he could be garbage, so for now this is a step down. but not much of a change.

quote:

Kirk Cousins ➡️ J.J. McCarthy


Kirk Cousins was having his best year before injury, did some things well like Accurate throws didn't throw a lot of INTs etc...but certainly had his warts (trouble in big games, two minute drill etc). JJ McCarthy is a rookie and thus an enigma. for now this is a slight loss but could be a huge gain.

quote:

K.J. Osborn ➡️ Brandon Powell


This is a push. Osborn did ok as WR3, but Powell gave us a spark at times and can return kicks too.

quote:

Dalton Risner ➡️ Blake Brandel


Risner was better so this is a step down

quote:

Jordan Hicks ➡️ Blake Cashman


Hicks was one of the most underrated guys on our D imho. tackle machine. step down IMHO

quote:

Alexander Mattison ➡️ Aaron Jones
HUGE step up. I though Mattison would be a lot better than he ended up. I was wrong. He's a great backup, not suited for a starting role.

quote:

Danielle Hunter ➡️ Jonathan Greenard
No matter how good Greenard turns out to be this is a step down. Hunter's loss will be felt.

quote:

Marcus Davenport ➡️ Andrew Van Ginkel


By the simple fact that Van Ginkel will be on the field this is a HUGE step up.


I only really am concerned about the losses of Hicks and Hunter, hope that Greenard, Cashman and Van Ginkel and now drafting Turner will aleviate my concerns....We shall see.

It's going to be fun

I'm the biggest Hunter fan there is, but Greenard, VanGinkel, and Turner vs Hunter, Davenport, Wonnum is a huge step up. We might have one of the best pass rushes in the league. Cashman is good. I'd at least give him a push with Hicks.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 12:08:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Dustin Baker
@DustBaker
The Vikings' notable swaps from 2023 to 2024.

[Old ➡️ New]

Greg Joseph ➡️ Will Reichard


Joseph was decent, and Reichard is a rookie... Reichard may turn out to be the next Vinateri, or he could be garbage, so for now this is a step down. but not much of a change.

quote:

Kirk Cousins ➡️ J.J. McCarthy


Kirk Cousins was having his best year before injury, did some things well like Accurate throws didn't throw a lot of INTs etc...but certainly had his warts (trouble in big games, two minute drill etc). JJ McCarthy is a rookie and thus an enigma. for now this is a slight loss but could be a huge gain.

quote:

K.J. Osborn ➡️ Brandon Powell


This is a push. Osborn did ok as WR3, but Powell gave us a spark at times and can return kicks too.

quote:

Dalton Risner ➡️ Blake Brandel


Risner was better so this is a step down

quote:

Jordan Hicks ➡️ Blake Cashman


Hicks was one of the most underrated guys on our D imho. tackle machine. step down IMHO

quote:

Alexander Mattison ➡️ Aaron Jones
HUGE step up. I though Mattison would be a lot better than he ended up. I was wrong. He's a great backup, not suited for a starting role.

quote:

Danielle Hunter ➡️ Jonathan Greenard
No matter how good Greenard turns out to be this is a step down. Hunter's loss will be felt.

quote:

Marcus Davenport ➡️ Andrew Van Ginkel


By the simple fact that Van Ginkel will be on the field this is a HUGE step up.


I only really am concerned about the losses of Hicks and Hunter, hope that Greenard, Cashman and Van Ginkel and now drafting Turner will aleviate my concerns....We shall see.

It's going to be fun

I'm the biggest Hunter fan there is, but Greenard, VanGinkel, and Turner vs Hunter, Davenport, Wonnum is a huge step up. We might have one of the best pass rushes in the league. Cashman is good. I'd at least give him a push with Hicks.



Gabriel Murphy, OLB, UCLA




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 12:59:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Dustin Baker
@DustBaker
The Vikings' notable swaps from 2023 to 2024.

[Old ➡️ New]

Greg Joseph ➡️ Will Reichard


Joseph was decent, and Reichard is a rookie... Reichard may turn out to be the next Vinateri, or he could be garbage, so for now this is a step down. but not much of a change.

quote:

Kirk Cousins ➡️ J.J. McCarthy


Kirk Cousins was having his best year before injury, did some things well like Accurate throws didn't throw a lot of INTs etc...but certainly had his warts (trouble in big games, two minute drill etc). JJ McCarthy is a rookie and thus an enigma. for now this is a slight loss but could be a huge gain.

quote:

K.J. Osborn ➡️ Brandon Powell


This is a push. Osborn did ok as WR3, but Powell gave us a spark at times and can return kicks too.

quote:

Dalton Risner ➡️ Blake Brandel


Risner was better so this is a step down

quote:

Jordan Hicks ➡️ Blake Cashman


Hicks was one of the most underrated guys on our D imho. tackle machine. step down IMHO

quote:

Alexander Mattison ➡️ Aaron Jones
HUGE step up. I though Mattison would be a lot better than he ended up. I was wrong. He's a great backup, not suited for a starting role.

quote:

Danielle Hunter ➡️ Jonathan Greenard
No matter how good Greenard turns out to be this is a step down. Hunter's loss will be felt.

quote:

Marcus Davenport ➡️ Andrew Van Ginkel


By the simple fact that Van Ginkel will be on the field this is a HUGE step up.


I only really am concerned about the losses of Hicks and Hunter, hope that Greenard, Cashman and Van Ginkel and now drafting Turner will aleviate my concerns....We shall see.

It's going to be fun

I'm the biggest Hunter fan there is, but Greenard, VanGinkel, and Turner vs Hunter, Davenport, Wonnum is a huge step up. We might have one of the best pass rushes in the league. Cashman is good. I'd at least give him a push with Hicks.



Gabriel Murphy, OLB, UCLA

He probably makes the team and might get some snaps.




Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 1:09:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Dustin Baker
@DustBaker
The Vikings' notable swaps from 2023 to 2024.

[Old ➡️ New]

Greg Joseph ➡️ Will Reichard


Joseph was decent, and Reichard is a rookie... Reichard may turn out to be the next Vinateri, or he could be garbage, so for now this is a step down. but not much of a change.

quote:

Kirk Cousins ➡️ J.J. McCarthy


Kirk Cousins was having his best year before injury, did some things well like Accurate throws didn't throw a lot of INTs etc...but certainly had his warts (trouble in big games, two minute drill etc). JJ McCarthy is a rookie and thus an enigma. for now this is a slight loss but could be a huge gain.

quote:

K.J. Osborn ➡️ Brandon Powell


This is a push. Osborn did ok as WR3, but Powell gave us a spark at times and can return kicks too.

quote:

Dalton Risner ➡️ Blake Brandel


Risner was better so this is a step down

quote:

Jordan Hicks ➡️ Blake Cashman


Hicks was one of the most underrated guys on our D imho. tackle machine. step down IMHO

quote:

Alexander Mattison ➡️ Aaron Jones
HUGE step up. I though Mattison would be a lot better than he ended up. I was wrong. He's a great backup, not suited for a starting role.

quote:

Danielle Hunter ➡️ Jonathan Greenard
No matter how good Greenard turns out to be this is a step down. Hunter's loss will be felt.

quote:

Marcus Davenport ➡️ Andrew Van Ginkel


By the simple fact that Van Ginkel will be on the field this is a HUGE step up.


I only really am concerned about the losses of Hicks and Hunter, hope that Greenard, Cashman and Van Ginkel and now drafting Turner will aleviate my concerns....We shall see.

It's going to be fun

I'm the biggest Hunter fan there is, but Greenard, VanGinkel, and Turner vs Hunter, Davenport, Wonnum is a huge step up. We might have one of the best pass rushes in the league. Cashman is good. I'd at least give him a push with Hicks.



Gabriel Murphy, OLB, UCLA

LB Bo Richter from Air Force could be a ST/backup guy that sticks. Kind of like Pace Jr. his measurables aren't good but he just makes plays.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 2:42:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Bill your takes have been so off. Pawn everyone that is closer to correct as a Kwesi soldier or whatever....[&:]

Even if you are given credit for Kirk...they tried to resign him.
Tank...nope
No money in cap to be aggressive in FA and improve roster....nope
JJ take...going to be a nope.

He is left with IOL and IDL takes but there is 17 million in cap left so they may be punting on those 2. So that is also a nope.

If I figure 1/2 right on Kirk..... .5/5

Puts you at 10% correct.

Haven't even talked about the salary cap or your top 51 takes.


Tanking? Especially when we were 1-3 I wanted it, so what. I had visions of being in the running for Caleb Williams, so what. Did I expect KAM and KOC to decide to tank, NO. You advocated some mealy, weak partial trade off type tank. Those players ended up walking for nothing! Your master Kwesi at work.

Free agency? With all the remaining holes, backloaded contracts, and void years? Players who haven't put together full seasons. Injured guys. AGAIN, for the dim-bulb among us, anything can be done with enough cap smoke and mirror spending. Anything. A big TBD.

JJ a nope? See what you not surprisingly MISS is I am expecting he WILL be extended. But that will not stop you from reframing things to make things look otherwise. It's how you roll. You are a proven liar.

I had to school you on top 51, god you were so far off on the concept.

Bottomline: as long as I think the opposite of you, I'll be in the right.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 2:55:23 PM)

Greg Joseph ➡️ Will Reichard. Joseph was a heart attack waiting to happen, even for extra points, but he hit some big FGs. Reichard is more accurate; TBD how that translates.

Kirk Cousins ➡️ J.J. McCarthy. 12-13 year vet vs someone who hasn't thrown a pro pass. But McCarthy is far from a sure thing, he could be a bust. Just something to watch.

K.J. Osborn ➡️ Brandon Powell. Osborn was like a stick figure any time he had to reach for a pass. He was maxed out and Powell was a spark always ready to ignite. Would still like a better #3 WR.

Dalton Risner ➡️ Blake Brandel. Yep.

Jordan Hicks ➡️ Blake Cashman. Who knows. Neither has ever moved the needle.

Alexander Mattison ➡️ Aaron Jones. No. So we got an upgrade on a rental.

Danielle Hunter ➡️ Jonathan Greenard. Definitely.

Marcus Davenport ➡️ Andrew Van Ginkel. Injured guy vs part-time player. A real battle of the titans.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 2:56:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Bill your takes have been so off. Pawn everyone that is closer to correct as a Kwesi soldier or whatever....[&:]
Even if you are given credit for Kirk...they tried to resign him.
Tank...nope
No money in cap to be aggressive in FA and improve roster....nope
JJ take...going to be a nope.
He is left with IOL and IDL takes but there is 17 million in cap left so they may be punting on those 2. So that is also a nope.
If I figure 1/2 right on Kirk..... .5/5
Puts you at 10% correct.
Haven't even talked about the salary cap or your top 51 takes.

Tanking? Especially when we were 1-3 I wanted it, so what. I had visions of being in the running for Caleb Williams, so what. Did I expect KAM and KOC to decide to tank, NO. You advocated some mealy, weak partial trade off type tank. Those players ended up walking for nothing! Your master Kwesi at work.
Free agency? With all the remaining holes, backloaded contracts, and void years? Players who haven't put together full seasons. Injured guys. AGAIN, for the dim-bulb among us, anything can be done with enough cap smoke and mirrors. Anything. [&:]
JJ a nope? See what you not surprisingly MISS is I am expecting he WILL be extended. But that will not stop you from reframing things to make things look otherwise. It's how you roll. You are a proven liar. [&:]
I had to school you on top 51, god you were so far off on the concept.
Bottomline: as long as I think the opposite of you, I'll be in the right.


Proven Liar? You are the one calling posters names when they don't agree with you....now to make yourself feel better they are liars. You are currently getting along with no one. Your trusted confidant Tom was tired of getting sucked into your shit and left for a while.

School me on the top 51 contracts? I know for a fact that when Mark and I were discussing that there was plenty of cap space then and even now to sign FA...you were the one schooled. [:-]

Good for your Ego Bill....No Tank You Bill.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 3:04:20 PM)

Bill is totally off his rocker. [&:]




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 3:08:29 PM)

Some of those comparisons are clearly TBD, or even more circle of life things rather than direct x is better than y. Cousins v McCarthy for sure. An aged QB who wanted big/guaranteed bucks for a few years vs the decision to say no and draft cheaper. Can't really compare.

Most are merely journeyman comparos.

I would also look at the backups. IMO most of them are fringe NFL talent. Simply, there is a dearth of backup talent at QB, OL, WR, DL, off-ball LB, CB, maybe S.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 3:26:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Bill your takes have been so off. Pawn everyone that is closer to correct as a Kwesi soldier or whatever....[&:]
Even if you are given credit for Kirk...they tried to resign him.
Tank...nope
No money in cap to be aggressive in FA and improve roster....nope
JJ take...going to be a nope.
He is left with IOL and IDL takes but there is 17 million in cap left so they may be punting on those 2. So that is also a nope.
If I figure 1/2 right on Kirk..... .5/5
Puts you at 10% correct.
Haven't even talked about the salary cap or your top 51 takes.

Tanking? Especially when we were 1-3 I wanted it, so what. I had visions of being in the running for Caleb Williams, so what. Did I expect KAM and KOC to decide to tank, NO. You advocated some mealy, weak partial trade off type tank. Those players ended up walking for nothing! Your master Kwesi at work.
Free agency? With all the remaining holes, backloaded contracts, and void years? Players who haven't put together full seasons. Injured guys. AGAIN, for the dim-bulb among us, anything can be done with enough cap smoke and mirrors. Anything. [&:]
JJ a nope? See what you not surprisingly MISS is I am expecting he WILL be extended. But that will not stop you from reframing things to make things look otherwise. It's how you roll. You are a proven liar. [&:]
I had to school you on top 51, god you were so far off on the concept.
Bottomline: as long as I think the opposite of you, I'll be in the right.


Proven Liar? You are the one calling posters names when they don't agree with you....now to make yourself feel better they are liars. You are currently getting along with no one. Your trusted confidant Tom was tired of getting sucked into your shit and left for a while.

School me on the top 51 contracts? I know for a fact that when Mark and I were discussing that there was plenty of cap space then and even now to sign FA...you were the one schooled. [:-]

Good for your Ego Bill....No Tank You Bill.


No, I call you a liar because you've proven to be.

Who in your master's superb FA class is paid for w/o smoke an mirrors?

Darnold - FOUR void years.

Jones - FOUR void years.

Van Winkle - FOUR void years.

Cashman - THREE void years.

Greenard - TWO void years. The one splash move. When you two goofs were expecting FA nirvana, I repeatedly said they probably couldn't afford more than one splash move unless they went with smoke and mirrors. Well, they ended up with just one splash move and ended up relying on smoke and mirrors.


They even set up a void year for most of them with $0. A holding spot to move void year money into!


Griffin, Tillery - normal.

Numerous other low-budget scrubs - normal.

Phil - out to lunch. Never got his FA nirvana, but as I said he'll trump 'em up anyway. So predictable.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 3:29:04 PM)

I see I shut Phil up about his asinine Lakers theory. 17 championships, second in all of team sports, will do that [&:]




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 3:34:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I see I shut Phil up about his asinine Lakers theory. 17 championships, second in all of team sports, will do that [&:]

Not a theory...happens every year they don't win it all.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/2/2024 3:34:20 PM)

Maybe you don't remember the conversation but before the JJ, Harry, etc. there was plenty of cap space to make moves. Void years gave them more cap.....so be it.

Splash moves? They got younger guys that are better at pass defense.....it just doesn't fit your negative narrative. This all was posted by PFF in regards Van Ginkel, Cashman, and Greenard. They are all liars too I guess because they don't agree with you.




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