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Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/14/2024 7:29:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Arodg is a Jet How about let’s get a screen game and better short passing game. Jones is very good at both. I'm not a fan of spending money on a position so easy to fill, but Jones is an asset to the passing game. Pass protection, chip and release, decent hands.....all the things that can help a mediocre QB. Darnold is coveted only because he was the #3 overall pick. GM's and coaches love that shit. I think there is a real chance the masterminds think we solved our QB problem, and will not be at all interested in trading up for a potential QB for the future. We don't need to trade up. QBs available at 11 will be just as good as the ones available at 3. Right. Lets just stand pat and take whoever. No need to be choosy ... I'm sure all the other QB needy teams will wait for their turn as well. After Williams and Daniel's are gone they're all about equal. Certainly nobody worth giving up next years top 5 pick to move up for. You have no clue how we value the prospects or where we'll be picking next year. I know nothing but at least I understand that. You know nothing. Same. Would love to know say the ten top criteria (accuracy, pocket presence, etc) they use to rate a QB, not to mention knowing what they think of each of the top six QBs.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/14/2024 7:41:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Arodg is a Jet How about let’s get a screen game and better short passing game. Jones is very good at both. I'm not a fan of spending money on a position so easy to fill, but Jones is an asset to the passing game. Pass protection, chip and release, decent hands.....all the things that can help a mediocre QB. Darnold is coveted only because he was the #3 overall pick. GM's and coaches love that shit. I think there is a real chance the masterminds think we solved our QB problem, and will not be at all interested in trading up for a potential QB for the future. We don't need to trade up. QBs available at 11 will be just as good as the ones available at 3. Right. Lets just stand pat and take whoever. No need to be choosy ... I'm sure all the other QB needy teams will wait for their turn as well. After Williams and Daniel's are gone they're all about equal. Certainly nobody worth giving up next years top 5 pick to move up for. You have no clue how we value the prospects or where we'll be picking next year. I know nothing but at least I understand that. You know nothing. Same. Would love to know say the ten top criteria (accuracy, pocket presence, etc) they use to rate a QB, not to mention knowing what they think of each of the top six QBs. gzuz for all we know they only value two guys and the whole draft thread is moot … we’re going defense. The one thing I miss about Tice is the accidental insight … a crumb once in awhile. Since then … nothing.

Murph -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/14/2024 8:45:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Arodg is a Jet How about let’s get a screen game and better short passing game. Jones is very good at both. I'm not a fan of spending money on a position so easy to fill, but Jones is an asset to the passing game. Pass protection, chip and release, decent hands.....all the things that can help a mediocre QB. Darnold is coveted only because he was the #3 overall pick. GM's and coaches love that shit. I think there is a real chance the masterminds think we solved our QB problem, and will not be at all interested in trading up for a potential QB for the future. We don't need to trade up. QBs available at 11 will be just as good as the ones available at 3. Right. Lets just stand pat and take whoever. No need to be choosy ... I'm sure all the other QB needy teams will wait for their turn as well. After Williams and Daniel's are gone they're all about equal. Certainly nobody worth giving up next years top 5 pick to move up for. So you're saying that you're either the greatest scout of all time or psychic?!?

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 6:28:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Arodg is a Jet How about let’s get a screen game and better short passing game. Jones is very good at both. I'm not a fan of spending money on a position so easy to fill, but Jones is an asset to the passing game. Pass protection, chip and release, decent hands.....all the things that can help a mediocre QB. Darnold is coveted only because he was the #3 overall pick. GM's and coaches love that shit. I think there is a real chance the masterminds think we solved our QB problem, and will not be at all interested in trading up for a potential QB for the future. We don't need to trade up. QBs available at 11 will be just as good as the ones available at 3. Right. Lets just stand pat and take whoever. No need to be choosy ... I'm sure all the other QB needy teams will wait for their turn as well. After Williams and Daniel's are gone they're all about equal. Certainly nobody worth giving up next years top 5 pick to move up for. You have no clue how we value the prospects or where we'll be picking next year. I know nothing but at least I understand that. You know nothing. Anyone who values a pool of prospects as the same didn't do their homework. Especially if its a pool of QBs. agreed, pay the costs of moving up to get your man...i'd give up four 1st round picks for him....

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 7:15:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Murph quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Arodg is a Jet How about let’s get a screen game and better short passing game. Jones is very good at both. I'm not a fan of spending money on a position so easy to fill, but Jones is an asset to the passing game. Pass protection, chip and release, decent hands.....all the things that can help a mediocre QB. Darnold is coveted only because he was the #3 overall pick. GM's and coaches love that shit. I think there is a real chance the masterminds think we solved our QB problem, and will not be at all interested in trading up for a potential QB for the future. We don't need to trade up. QBs available at 11 will be just as good as the ones available at 3. Right. Lets just stand pat and take whoever. No need to be choosy ... I'm sure all the other QB needy teams will wait for their turn as well. After Williams and Daniel's are gone they're all about equal. Certainly nobody worth giving up next years top 5 pick to move up for. So you're saying that you're either the greatest scout of all time or psychic?!? Yep

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 7:19:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Arodg is a Jet How about let’s get a screen game and better short passing game. Jones is very good at both. I'm not a fan of spending money on a position so easy to fill, but Jones is an asset to the passing game. Pass protection, chip and release, decent hands.....all the things that can help a mediocre QB. Darnold is coveted only because he was the #3 overall pick. GM's and coaches love that shit. I think there is a real chance the masterminds think we solved our QB problem, and will not be at all interested in trading up for a potential QB for the future. We don't need to trade up. QBs available at 11 will be just as good as the ones available at 3. Right. Lets just stand pat and take whoever. No need to be choosy ... I'm sure all the other QB needy teams will wait for their turn as well. After Williams and Daniel's are gone they're all about equal. Certainly nobody worth giving up next years top 5 pick to move up for. You have no clue how we value the prospects or where we'll be picking next year. I know nothing but at least I understand that. You know nothing. Anyone who values a pool of prospects as the same didn't do their homework. Especially if its a pool of QBs. agreed, pay the costs of moving up to get your man...i'd give up four 1st round picks for him.... Who's the him you'd trade 4 FRPs for? Next years frp is likely top 5. It's idiocy to do whatever it takes to get your man.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 7:41:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Arodg is a Jet How about let’s get a screen game and better short passing game. Jones is very good at both. I'm not a fan of spending money on a position so easy to fill, but Jones is an asset to the passing game. Pass protection, chip and release, decent hands.....all the things that can help a mediocre QB. Darnold is coveted only because he was the #3 overall pick. GM's and coaches love that shit. I think there is a real chance the masterminds think we solved our QB problem, and will not be at all interested in trading up for a potential QB for the future. We don't need to trade up. QBs available at 11 will be just as good as the ones available at 3. Right. Lets just stand pat and take whoever. No need to be choosy ... I'm sure all the other QB needy teams will wait for their turn as well. After Williams and Daniel's are gone they're all about equal. Certainly nobody worth giving up next years top 5 pick to move up for. You have no clue how we value the prospects or where we'll be picking next year. I know nothing but at least I understand that. You know nothing. Anyone who values a pool of prospects as the same didn't do their homework. Especially if its a pool of QBs. agreed, pay the costs of moving up to get your man...i'd give up four 1st round picks for him.... I wouldn't. I would move up to 6 or 5 using a 1st and a 2nd/third next year to get JJ.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 7:48:26 AM)
The weirdest thing that has played out this week (IMO) is that no one wants Fields or Lance. Howell to Seattle before both?

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 7:52:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Arodg is a Jet How about let’s get a screen game and better short passing game. Jones is very good at both. I'm not a fan of spending money on a position so easy to fill, but Jones is an asset to the passing game. Pass protection, chip and release, decent hands.....all the things that can help a mediocre QB. Darnold is coveted only because he was the #3 overall pick. GM's and coaches love that shit. I think there is a real chance the masterminds think we solved our QB problem, and will not be at all interested in trading up for a potential QB for the future. We don't need to trade up. QBs available at 11 will be just as good as the ones available at 3. Right. Lets just stand pat and take whoever. No need to be choosy ... I'm sure all the other QB needy teams will wait for their turn as well. After Williams and Daniel's are gone they're all about equal. Certainly nobody worth giving up next years top 5 pick to move up for. You have no clue how we value the prospects or where we'll be picking next year. I know nothing but at least I understand that. You know nothing. Anyone who values a pool of prospects as the same didn't do their homework. Especially if its a pool of QBs. agreed, pay the costs of moving up to get your man...i'd give up four 1st round picks for him.... I wouldn't. I would move up to 6 or 5 using a 1st and a 2nd/third next year to get JJ. JJ McCarthy was considered a late first, early second round draft pick after the college football season. Suddenly he has risen to a top-10 consensus pick based upon what? His combine performance? I like the early projections, which were based on his play on the field. I wouldn't draft that guy any higher than 25-30, at-best. And from what I saw in the opening quarter of the semifinals, I wouldn't draft him at all.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 8:12:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Arodg is a Jet How about let’s get a screen game and better short passing game. Jones is very good at both. I'm not a fan of spending money on a position so easy to fill, but Jones is an asset to the passing game. Pass protection, chip and release, decent hands.....all the things that can help a mediocre QB. Darnold is coveted only because he was the #3 overall pick. GM's and coaches love that shit. I think there is a real chance the masterminds think we solved our QB problem, and will not be at all interested in trading up for a potential QB for the future. We don't need to trade up. QBs available at 11 will be just as good as the ones available at 3. Right. Lets just stand pat and take whoever. No need to be choosy ... I'm sure all the other QB needy teams will wait for their turn as well. After Williams and Daniel's are gone they're all about equal. Certainly nobody worth giving up next years top 5 pick to move up for. You have no clue how we value the prospects or where we'll be picking next year. I know nothing but at least I understand that. You know nothing. Anyone who values a pool of prospects as the same didn't do their homework. Especially if its a pool of QBs. agreed, pay the costs of moving up to get your man...i'd give up four 1st round picks for him.... I wouldn't. I would move up to 6 or 5 using a 1st and a 2nd/third next year to get JJ. JJ McCarthy was considered a late first, early second round draft pick after the college football season. Suddenly he has risen to a top-10 consensus pick based upon what? His combine performance? I like the early projections, which were based on his play on the field. I wouldn't draft that guy any higher than 25-30, at-best. And from what I saw in the opening quarter of the semifinals, I wouldn't draft him at all. If I was the GM I would have seen if I could get Fields for a middle round pick and a third next year and hold my spot and grab a QB also at 11. That changed once they signed Darnold.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 8:34:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Arodg is a Jet How about let’s get a screen game and better short passing game. Jones is very good at both. I'm not a fan of spending money on a position so easy to fill, but Jones is an asset to the passing game. Pass protection, chip and release, decent hands.....all the things that can help a mediocre QB. Darnold is coveted only because he was the #3 overall pick. GM's and coaches love that shit. I think there is a real chance the masterminds think we solved our QB problem, and will not be at all interested in trading up for a potential QB for the future. We don't need to trade up. QBs available at 11 will be just as good as the ones available at 3. Right. Lets just stand pat and take whoever. No need to be choosy ... I'm sure all the other QB needy teams will wait for their turn as well. After Williams and Daniel's are gone they're all about equal. Certainly nobody worth giving up next years top 5 pick to move up for. You have no clue how we value the prospects or where we'll be picking next year. I know nothing but at least I understand that. You know nothing. Anyone who values a pool of prospects as the same didn't do their homework. Especially if its a pool of QBs. agreed, pay the costs of moving up to get your man...i'd give up four 1st round picks for him.... Who's the him you'd trade 4 FRPs for? Next years frp is likely top 5. It's idiocy to do whatever it takes to get your man. i mean o'connell's guy, if he has one that he thinks is a slam dunk...i don't want to sit back and take what's there when we draft or trade up a little to get a guy we still don't have great faith in.... of course, there are no guarantees, but if o'connell has a player - get him....

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 8:45:23 AM)
KOC and KAM, will be looking to make a PR splash in the drat. I just don’t think it’s worth or wise to give up future draft pick/s, which might be top ten, or not.. to make that splash, given the as yet, unsettled cap issue. I want a true QBOTF, like anyone. Neither KAM, nor KOC have shown any ability to address the position, at all. Darnold is a clear bridge. I hope he does well, but we won’t know until the games are played. If there is a run on QB, which is highly likely, I don’t see the point of mortgaging the future, when our ability to identify and develop such a key player position is SUS, at best. Maybe this is the draft that we hit one, but past performances in the draft leave me highly skeptical of this management team to pull that off. I hope they prove me wrong.

Murph -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 9:19:36 AM)
We're moving on up. We just picked up another first rounder #23 from Houston https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-texans-trade-first-round-pick-2024-nfl-draft

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 9:26:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Murph We're moving on up. We just picked up another first rounder #23 from Houston https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-texans-trade-first-round-pick-2024-nfl-draft Great move!

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 9:27:41 AM)
To those too worried about value. If QB goes 123 and 2 more have a 1st round grade and you want them…you do whatever you have to. You don’t play arbitrary value games.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 9:30:49 AM)
Exciting times!

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 9:38:44 AM)
Essentially, two second rounders for #23. In March. Which is key. Seems like we are pre-draft positioning for ‘one of the top QBs’ instead of positioning in the draft for a specific player. Which makes us QB floosies. I don’t mind at all.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 9:45:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Essentially, two second rounders for #23. In March. Which is key. Seems like we are pre-draft positioning for ‘one of the top QBs’ instead of positioning in the draft for a specific player. Which makes us QB floosies. I don’t mind at all. ... to move up 19 spots

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 9:49:34 AM)
I’m ok with this.. The second round in 2025, might be recoverable… It could be a higher round, or middle round.. The key is having the ability to get a QBOTF.. Next issue is finding a trading partner.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 9:50:17 AM)
O'Connell: In the end, as much as I would have maybe liked to have Kirk here, the right thing moving forward for our team is where we are today." https://www.startribune.com/feelings-aside-moving-on-from-kirk-cousins-the-right-thing-vikings-coach-kevin-oconnell-says/600351332/

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 10:02:23 AM)
Now we get to see if KOC can do anything on offense without a robotic drone..

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 10:44:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Essentially, two second rounders for #23. In March. Which is key. Seems like we are pre-draft positioning for ‘one of the top QBs’ instead of positioning in the draft for a specific player. Which makes us QB floosies. I don’t mind at all. ... to move up 19 spots Now package 23 and 11 to move up to 5 or so Actually, I don't think they will trade up now, unless a guy they really like falls out of the top 3. They will be content to wait and make two first round picks.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 11:27:31 AM)
Sure. They moved draft stock around, at a cost, in March bc they have their eye on a Guard they want in the bottom half of the 1st. GYHAS.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 12:15:35 PM)
NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah recently suggested on the “Move the Sticks” podcast that the Washington Commanders might be the ideal trade partner for the Vikings. quote: “If you’re Minnesota…I think that Washington might be your best shot if you want to get up into the top three,” Jeremiah stated. “I don’t think New England is going to get out of there…but I think Washington, they have the 36th and the 40th picks. If you traded to 11 with Minnesota, you could get a haul of picks from the Vikings.” The Vikings don’t have a pick in the second or third round this year to offer, but perhaps the No. 11 and 23 overall picks plus their 2025 first-rounder entices the Commanders enough to move back seven spots and be OK missing out on North Carolina’s Drake Maye and LSU’s Jayden Daniels. Such a move would also give the Commanders the ammunition to move back up into the top 10 if they wanted to get Michigan QB J.J. McCarthy. quote: “I know the Chargers, it’s all been out there that they would love to get out of [pick No.] 5, so if you’re Washington, could you go from 2 to 11 then comeback up to 5,” Jeremiah said. “You’ve still got extra picks [and] you would still get the fourth quarterback. Say if you really like J.J. McCarthy, for example. You’re like, ‘I can get J.J. McCarthy, a future [first-round pick] and a bunch of other stuff.’” If the Commanders were to trade with Minnesota, they could also simply take the best player available at No. 11 and use the 23rd overall pick on either Washington QB Michael Penix Jr. or Oregon QB Bo Nix. https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/is_a_commanders_trade_in_the_works_after_vikings_acquire_a_second_first_round_pick/s1_13132_40113983

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/15/2024 12:19:02 PM)
Stud defender at #11, Penix or Nix at #23 ?

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