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stfrank -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (5/18/2025 3:41:15 PM)

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It's a good ztart. Yurov is everything the Wild arent...Young, big and fast.

The good thing about his contract is Guerin can't stash him in Iowa to earn is dues. He either plays with the Wild in the NHL or they have to loan him back to the KHL.....nobody wants to play in the shit show that is Iowa.

All I know is that if they send him back to the KHL because Billy loaded up on more 35 year old grinders, I'm going to be pissed.

You won't be alone! I don't want to see anybody signed in the 30's.




stfrank -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (5/25/2025 4:52:17 PM)

DeBoer's dive team down 5-1 with 5 minutes to go and they are all taking dives every time they get touched hoping to get a call.....
It is so much fun watching Dallas get beat! [:D]




TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (5/25/2025 6:34:29 PM)

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DeBoer's dive team down 5-1 with 5 minutes to go and they are all taking dives every time they get touched hoping to get a call.....
It is so much fun watching Dallas get beat! [:D]

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Jeff Jesser -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/2/2025 11:56:00 AM)

Good Lord [:o] this franchise never learns.




TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/2/2025 12:57:19 PM)

Guerin and his guys. Just so predictable.




stfrank -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/2/2025 3:09:32 PM)

At least at $800k, after Johansson gets in 17 games to hit his 1000 games for his career we can cut bait at any time and not take a huge hit. But if he gets to play 2nd line again and is blocking young guys from gaining experience I'm gonnna be pissed....[X(]




TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/2/2025 3:18:41 PM)

At least he didn't get a no move clause.




stfrank -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/2/2025 3:30:30 PM)

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At least he didn't get a no move clause.

According to Russo's article in the Athletic:
The contract comes with a full no-trade clause, according to a league source.




TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/2/2025 3:33:37 PM)

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At least he didn't get a no move clause.

According to Russo's article in the Athletic:
The contract comes with a full no-trade clause, according to a league source.

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TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/3/2025 8:55:16 PM)

Sounds like the major problem in signing or trading Rossi is that he is demanding a Boldy level contract. The Wild don't want to pay that and nobody wants to trade for Rossi and pay him that much.




stfrank -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/4/2025 8:12:36 AM)

Going by the numbers Rossi is in the range of a Boldy type contract. Here is a snippet from the Russo article on the Athletic.

The Wild’s five-year contract offer to Rossi for a $5 million average annual value is in line with Florida Panthers center Anton Lundell and Washington Capitals center Dylan Strome.

On a seven- or eight-year term, Rossi is likely looking at comparables like the Ottawa Senators’ Dylan Cozens ($7.1 million), Buffalo Sabres’ Josh Norris ($7.95 million) and the Wild’s Matt Boldy, who signed a seven-year, $49 million extension in January 2023.

Rossi, the ninth pick in the 2020 draft, followed a 21-goal, 40-point season during his first full year in the NHL with a career-high 24 goals and 60 points last season. At five-on-five, he was on the ice for 56 goals compared to Boldy’s 50 and 43 goals against compared to Boldy’s 44.

Overall, Boldy followed a 15-goal, 39-point rookie year in just 47 games with 31 goals and 63 points in 2022-23, 29 goals and 69 points in 2023-24 and 27 goals and 73 points last season. Boldy averaged nearly two minutes more per game the past two years than Rossi.

Calgary Flames winger Matthew Coronato, 22, recently signed a seven-year contract worth $6.5 million a year. It’s hard to imagine Rossi agreeing to any long-term deal for less than that, but so far the Wild have shown no appetite to go anywhere in the vicinity.

On a three-year term, Evolving-Hockey estimates Rossi is a $5.262 million player this summer. On a five-year term, the site has him at $6.067 million. On a seven-year term, it’s at $6.688 million.




TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/4/2025 9:25:05 AM)

Also worth considering is that Boldy's point total came in 60 fewer games than Rossi's. I'm guessing Rossi will also benefit from position bias. Top six centers are on short supply league wide.




stfrank -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/4/2025 9:59:28 AM)

My fear is we will end up losing a good center and get little in return and end up over paying for a 33 yr old Brock Nelson as a replacement. Putting all of our hopes on Nelson and Yurov to resolve our lack of a top center seems over optimistic to me......




Jeff Jesser -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/4/2025 10:09:46 AM)

I can see the angst the Wild have with handing that kinda cash to him though. Yes he's got talent. Do you ever remember him taking over a game or 'standing out'? Boldy has done that. Yeah, he needs to do that way more consistently but he's at least shown the ability to do it. Rossi seems like a good hockey player. That's about it.

That said, I don't want to lose him for nothing. I also have a feeling the kid is a sulker or can have a crappy attitude. I have a hard time seeing BG/JH pushing him down to the 4th to cut off their nose out of spite. There has to be more to it.




stfrank -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/4/2025 10:18:42 AM)

I suspect the sulking began when he was pushed down to the 4th line and Freddy got more minutes than him for doing exactly nothing. That to me, was his final straw after doing everything asked of him since day 1 and getting demoted like that. Time for him to move on at this point and I suspect will end up coming back to the X and torching us every time....




TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/4/2025 10:51:22 AM)

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I suspect the sulking began when he was pushed down to the 4th line and Freddy got more minutes than him for doing exactly nothing. That to me, was his final straw after doing everything asked of him since day 1 and getting demoted like that. Time for him to move on at this point and I suspect will end up coming back to the X and torching us every time....

The sulking probably started with getting a take it or leave it low ball offer on a 5 year deal. Being demoted from the second to the fourth line for the playoffs was probably the last straw. I wouldn't give him Boldy money, but what the Wild offered was clearly below market value for a top 6 centre.




Jeff Jesser -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/4/2025 1:57:20 PM)

You guys are most likely right it just seems odd. That dude has always seemed to have a very short leash. It's almost like they never bought his Covid troubles and they lack trust in him in general. Not saying it's that, just something weird, behind the scenes, that we don't know of.




TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/4/2025 5:43:01 PM)

I don't know why they wouldn't buy the heart issue from covid. The Wild's own medical staff diagnosed it. That said, your right. There is something weird about the Wild’s attitude towards Rossi.




stfrank -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/4/2025 7:38:29 PM)

Does Rossi have some photos of Guerin during his HR incident that got him reprimanded but never really leaked out what happened?? It sure seems like Guerin has something against him that's for sure.




Jeff Jesser -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/6/2025 12:06:53 PM)

Curious to hear your thoughts and see if there is local chatter from credible reporters up there. I have been reading a lot about the offseason and listened to several pods that have me thinking.


I'm really questioning BG again. I hope I'm wrong but what are we doing? One of the prevailing thoughts is that Johanson was resigned because Liam O and Rossi are going to be traded together for a #2 Center. If you look at the FA class (after Nelson resigned with the Avs - didn't want him anyway) it's pretty much crap outside of Bennett who is probably going to get PAID.

They sabotaged Rossi's worth, in a trade by himself, with shipping him off to the 4th. Enter Liam and a possible pick to get rid of Rossi.

So either we have to overpay Rossi or convince some GM that a package deal is worth giving us a better #2 C.




Jeff Jesser -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/6/2025 12:12:08 PM)

The other WTF that's going on in my head today after JHS pod.


Iowa is losing it's HC again. How on earth do we continually have a top 3-ish draft pool and the team is pretty much bottom 5 in every major team category, never churns out a real prospect and has a completely losing culture?




TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/7/2025 11:27:03 AM)

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Curious to hear your thoughts and see if there is local chatter from credible reporters up there. I have been reading a lot about the offseason and listened to several pods that have me thinking.


I'm really questioning BG again. I hope I'm wrong but what are we doing? One of the prevailing thoughts is that Johanson was resigned because Liam O and Rossi are going to be traded together for a #2 Center. If you look at the FA class (after Nelson resigned with the Avs - didn't want him anyway) it's pretty much crap outside of Bennett who is probably going to get PAID.

They sabotaged Rossi's worth, in a trade by himself, with shipping him off to the 4th. Enter Liam and a possible pick to get rid of Rossi.

So either we have to overpay Rossi or convince some GM that a package deal is worth giving us a better #2 C.

Jeff, since I read this, I have been looking around for rumors surrounding Ohgren and I'm not finding any. The story that I am seeing repeatedly is that, while the Wild are disappointed with the rate of his development, they are reluctant to trade him. They still have hope for him to develop into a legit middle 6 forward, who can play solid defense and score some goals. The Wild want to get him playing physical on a more consistent level and they think that will unlock his game at the NHL level. The consensus is that if Ohgren had shown more last year, the Wild wouldn't have resigned Johansson. What I have seen indicates that they want to see him for another year before making a decision to move him.

There seems to be a lot of genuine interest in Rossi. I read reports of varying degrees of interest from Boston, Buffalo, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Vancouver and possibly even the Rangers and the Blues. It might look like the Wild sabotaged his value by kicking him to the 4th line, but Rossi may have countered that. He scored 2 goals and an assist despitebeing on the 4th line and having one of the lowest minute totals out of the forwards. At this point, moving Rossi is as much about money as it is trying to get a bigger C#2.




Jeff Jesser -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/7/2025 11:41:24 AM)

Good stuff. On the pod that brought up the Ohgren thing was just speculation on their part on what it may take to get actual value for Rossi and still upgrade the 2nd C position. The thought was that the demotion of Rossi may have hurt his value so that, in order to get true value in his trade, we'd have to kick in something else. That led to "they signed MoJo so that Ohgren is probably being moved along with Rossi" stuff. Nothing concrete but it does lend some credence to why they signed MoJo to begin with. For the life of me I can't understand why if it's not some scenario like that playing out.

His history in MN doesn't scream loyalty.




TJSweens -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/7/2025 12:04:00 PM)

That's all some pretty good reasoning in terms of the Wild moving Rossi for an upgrade to C#2. The things I have read, lead me to believe that the 4th line stupidity didn't really hurt Rossi's trade value. The thing that kills me about what happened is that the rationale for what the Wild did was that they questioned Rossi having enough size to play top 6 minutes in the playoffs. Didn't they know what size he was when they drafted him #9 overall. Also worth noting is that Rossi has outperformed the top two players taken in his draft, Alexis Lafrenière and Quinton Byfield.

FWIW, I get the impression that the Wild would be open to resigning Rossi if they could get him to give a little on the $$$ and years.




stfrank -> RE: Wild 2025 post mortem, off-season and draft (6/7/2025 12:50:10 PM)

Just off the top with no real research to support my feelings, but here they are:

Since it didn't take long for Nelson to choose the Av's over coming home there are no other available FA centers worth trying to get.
All NHL teams need solid #2 centers so it's going to take a lot pry one away from other teams with them in such short supply.
In the Rossi saga I have a feeling both sides will give a little and he will sign a 3 year prove it contract just because we need him and he can make a statement to the entire league.
Yurov had better be all of that and more because we need help at center big time and no matter what happens, Rossi will leave at the end of his 3 yr contract and tell BG F**you on the way out. LOL
I give BG 2 years to straighten out his mess or he is gone.....




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