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Trekgeekscott -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (9/17/2019 3:57:55 PM)
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Carroll won the SB in his 4th year with the Hawks, Bill B in his 2nd with NE.
Bill B. won in is his 7th year as a head coach and was actually fired from his first head coaching gig. ronhextall's argument is that coaches win right away or not at all. Belichick shows a coach can fail miserably before he succeeds.
So maybe Zimmer will win a SB with his 2nd or 3rd team?
I think Ron's point still stands.
No, it really doesn't. You can't say Bill B.'s record with NE is the only one that counts. The fact that Bill B. succeeded in his second gig doesn't mean Zim or any other head coach can only win in their second chance if they don't win in 5 years on the current one. A lot of coaches who won it early stepped into a great situation. Tomlin took over a team that had won the Super Bowl 2 years earlier. Gruden inherited the team that Dungy built and won it. Dungy took over the Colts with Peyton Manning in his prime. Payton too over just in time for the Saints to acquire Drew Breese. John Madden took over a winning team and needed 9 years to win a Super Bowl. Tom Landry won it in his 11th year as the Cowboys head coach.
I'm not saying whether Zim can get there or not, but it is a hell of a lot more nuanced than a guy wins a Super Bowl within 5 years or he is garbage as a coach.
And there are examples of coaches that have coached and coached well two three even four teams and never won a SB. Wade Phillips, Marty Schottenheimer? There is no formula. Either a coach can motivate his guys to play well or he can't. Zimmer seems to get some guys motivated and others just don't respond to his style of coaching.
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