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Jim Frenette -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/23/2015 3:23:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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Gonsalves pitches today. One to watch progress.


Should move up in 2nd half, after the draft.

Hopefully

9 up/9 down with 5K's so far today, on 39 pitches



He's rolling again.

he should pick up the young lefty to watch torch from Thorpe as we go on in 2015.


Isn't he the guy draft right after Stewart? Both came to Mn to sigh contract at same time I believe




McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/23/2015 3:25:36 PM)

I also really like Hu.

Who?



Yeah


Who?

Hu.

Who?


yeah, Hu




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/23/2015 4:57:02 PM)

Perils of drafting HS pitchers high in the draft. Risk that sometimes you have to take. Kohl Stewart on the 7-day DL.

Don't know if elbow or shoulder this time, has had shoulder issues in the past.


Early word on Kohl Stewart, per the #MNTwins: looks like it's just inflammation. So no long-term worries as of now




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/23/2015 6:27:53 PM)

Twins prospect Kohl Stewart has inflammation in his right elbow and has been place on the disabled list at Class A Fort Myers




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/23/2015 6:43:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Twins prospect Kohl Stewart has inflammation in his right elbow and has been place on the disabled list at Class A Fort Myers



Losing his strikeout-ability. TJ surgery is looming.




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/23/2015 7:10:15 PM)

SOMETHING has to give.. This organization has not produced a single starting pitcher worthy of note since Garza was called up in '06




CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/23/2015 10:09:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Twins prospect Kohl Stewart has inflammation in his right elbow and has been place on the disabled list at Class A Fort Myers



Losing his strikeout-ability. TJ surgery is looming.


The Stewart story is in the Star Trib this evening. How come every Twins pitching prospect has arm/elbow injuries?




CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/23/2015 10:10:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Twins prospect Kohl Stewart has inflammation in his right elbow and has been place on the disabled list at Class A Fort Myers



Losing his strikeout-ability. TJ surgery is looming.


I would completely write-off Stewart at this point. #4 overall draft pick from 2013 a complete bust yet again. [:'(]




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 6:11:55 AM)

Thursday:

FTM won 4-2

Vielma 2-3/triple/Sac Fly/R/RBI, Mejia 2-/BB/R/RBI, Garver 1-4/BB/R/RBI, Wade 1-3/double/Bb/R/SB(1)

Hu 2-0 6IP 5H/R/4K/HR
Van Steensel 2IP 4K
Boer IP 3H?R/Save(1)


Chattanooga dropped below .500, giving up 3 in the 7th, losing 5-2

Gonzales 2-4/Solo HR(1), Michael 1-4/R/SB(1), Harrison 1-4/double(6), Hicks 1-3/Bb/RBI

Peavey 5.2IP 5H/2R/4BB/4K
CJohnson 1-1 IP 3H/3R/2BB 0-2 IRS
Gallant 1.1IP 0-2 IRS




sixthwi -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 12:43:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Thursday:

FTM won 4-2

Vielma 2-3/triple/Sac Fly/R/RBI, Mejia 2-/BB/R/RBI, Garver 1-4/BB/R/RBI, Wade 1-3/double/Bb/R/SB(1)

Hu 2-0 6IP 5H/R/4K/HR
Van Steensel 2IP 4K
Boer IP 3H?R/Save(1)


Chattanooga dropped below .500, giving up 3 in the 7th, losing 5-2

Gonzales 2-4/Solo HR(1), Michael 1-4/R/SB(1), Harrison 1-4/double(6), Hicks 1-3/Bb/RBI

Peavey 5.2IP 5H/2R/4BB/4K
CJohnson 1-1 IP 3H/3R/2BB 0-2 IRS
Gallant 1.1IP 0-2 IRS



Disappointing starts for Buxton (.180) and Sano (.163) [:@]




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 1:37:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Perils of drafting HS pitchers high in the draft. Risk that sometimes you have to take. Kohl Stewart on the 7-day DL.

Don't know if elbow or shoulder this time, has had shoulder issues in the past.


Early word on Kohl Stewart, per the #MNTwins: looks like it's just inflammation. So no long-term worries as of now



Translation...he'll sit out all year, then decide to have TJ surgery in February next year.




CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 1:45:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Thursday:

FTM won 4-2

Vielma 2-3/triple/Sac Fly/R/RBI, Mejia 2-/BB/R/RBI, Garver 1-4/BB/R/RBI, Wade 1-3/double/Bb/R/SB(1)

Hu 2-0 6IP 5H/R/4K/HR
Van Steensel 2IP 4K
Boer IP 3H?R/Save(1)


Chattanooga dropped below .500, giving up 3 in the 7th, losing 5-2

Gonzales 2-4/Solo HR(1), Michael 1-4/R/SB(1), Harrison 1-4/double(6), Hicks 1-3/Bb/RBI

Peavey 5.2IP 5H/2R/4BB/4K
CJohnson 1-1 IP 3H/3R/2BB 0-2 IRS
Gallant 1.1IP 0-2 IRS



Disappointing starts for Buxton (.180) and Sano (.163) [:@]


Exactly as I predicted. Getting away from a difficult sport to dominate at for an entire season is hard to get back to an expert level. Ask Tiger Woods. This was an easy one to forecast. Simple science.




CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 1:47:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Perils of drafting HS pitchers high in the draft. Risk that sometimes you have to take. Kohl Stewart on the 7-day DL.

Don't know if elbow or shoulder this time, has had shoulder issues in the past.


Early word on Kohl Stewart, per the #MNTwins: looks like it's just inflammation. So no long-term worries as of now



Translation...he'll sit out all year, then decide to have TJ surgery in February next year.


Better that he have arm reattachment surgery now than the "we'll wait and see how it goes" version.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 1:56:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Perils of drafting HS pitchers high in the draft. Risk that sometimes you have to take. Kohl Stewart on the 7-day DL.

Don't know if elbow or shoulder this time, has had shoulder issues in the past.


Early word on Kohl Stewart, per the #MNTwins: looks like it's just inflammation. So no long-term worries as of now



Translation...he'll sit out all year, then decide to have TJ surgery in February next year.


Better that he have arm reattachment surgery now than the "we'll wait and see how it goes" version.


It's standard operating procedure of the Minnesota Twins Crack Medical Staff. Let the injury rest for way too long then select the most inopportune time to finally take the necessary steps.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 1:58:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Thursday:

FTM won 4-2

Vielma 2-3/triple/Sac Fly/R/RBI, Mejia 2-/BB/R/RBI, Garver 1-4/BB/R/RBI, Wade 1-3/double/Bb/R/SB(1)

Hu 2-0 6IP 5H/R/4K/HR
Van Steensel 2IP 4K
Boer IP 3H?R/Save(1)


Chattanooga dropped below .500, giving up 3 in the 7th, losing 5-2

Gonzales 2-4/Solo HR(1), Michael 1-4/R/SB(1), Harrison 1-4/double(6), Hicks 1-3/Bb/RBI

Peavey 5.2IP 5H/2R/4BB/4K
CJohnson 1-1 IP 3H/3R/2BB 0-2 IRS
Gallant 1.1IP 0-2 IRS



Disappointing starts for Buxton (.180) and Sano (.163) [:@]


Exactly as I predicted. Getting away from a difficult sport to dominate at for an entire season is hard to get back to an expert level. Ask Tiger Woods. This was an easy one to forecast. Simple science.


Cause nobody has ever come back from a difficult surgery to dominate their sport again?

Come on.

Give them a little time to shake the rust off. By midseason they will be fine.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 2:12:31 PM)

With opening day center fielder Jordan Schafer in a funk at the plate, on the bases and in the field, it's natural to turn eyes to the minor leagues. The Twins, after all, have the top prospect in baseball waiting in the wings, preparing in Chattanooga, Tenn., for what the Twins hope will be a long and prosperous career.

I've begun to read the chatter on our website's comments section and on Twitter: the time is now to call up Buxton.

The reasons vary but I disagree with all of them as means of justification. Buxton would spark interest in the team, the rationalization goes. Buxton would be a defensive upgrade in center field. The Twins are short on other options.

None of those things should matter, in my opinion. It wouldn't make sense to me to see the Twins call up a 21-year-old future lineup staple to get Major League service before he's ready on a team likely not headed for the postseason. (The sooner Buxton begins in the Majors, the sooner he could hit free agency and potentially leave; that's miles down the road and the Twins should never let that happen, but that's another column for another time.)

I credit the Twins for taking a longer-term view of their organization and realizing the best thing for Buxton right now is to hone his craft against Double-A pitchers.

Through 12 games at Double-A Chattanooga, Buxton is hitting .180/.241/.300 with just three extra-base hits and 15 total bases in 54 plate appearances. He has 14 strikeouts and four walks.

Now, it's early in the season so this isn't to suggest that Buxton has taken a step backward with all his injuries from last season. It's merely to illustrate that he probably hasn't conquered Double-A pitching, which I imagine the Twins would like to see before giving thought to promoting the 21-year-old super prospect.

Amid fans' clamoring for Buxton, the Twins should remain patient and stay the course with the development of Buxton.

Calling up Buxton now might signal a number of things to a number of different parties. Players in the clubhouse probably might see it as a move designed to show that the Twins' brass thinks they're ready to win now. Others might see it as a panic move to promote a young prospect who may not be ready.

Fans no doubt would be excited about the move if it were to happen. But if Buxton struggled initially that sugar high might subside a bit.

To this analyst, calling up Buxton would send a clear message:

'In our impatience, we've lost sight of the big picture.'

That's not how the Twins ought to handle their most important prospect in recent memory.

Some will look at Kris Bryant's promotion -- he's the other player listed atop prospects rankings -- with the Cubs as evidence top prospects should be promoted. Bryant is basically two years older than Buxton. So the comparison should stop with saying that many feel both have bright big league futures.

There's the argument that calling Buxton up now to give him a taste of the big leagues, even if he doesn't stick, might expedite his development. I admittedly don't have data to disprove that theory but personally I don't agree with it.

If I were the Twins I would want to call Buxton up once and I would want it to be when he's ready to thrive. Batting ninth when he's first called up could make some sense to alleviate any pressure he'd put on himself to produce. That would allow perhaps his greatest assets -- his glove and his speed -- to play.

It's similar to what the Orioles did with Manny Machado a few years ago. They called up the kid that nearly everybody believed eventually would be good and asked the shortstop to play sterling defense at third base. He batted low in the order because the Orioles could score runs without him and there's the thought that Buck Showalter didn't want the youngster to feel pressure to produce with his bat. Anything he added there at the onset would be considered gravy.

Some say that the alternatives aren't very appealing, whether it's Schafer, Shane Robinson or perhaps Aaron Hicks. That shouldn't matter. For a team that's unlikely to contend for the postseason in 2015, the Twins should do everything they can to be competitive in future years and that includes doing what's best for one of their future lineup staples, Buxton, and his development.

Here's a take-it-or-leave-it suggestion: If Buxton overcomes his slow start to the year and dominates Double-A pitching this season, I'd consider giving him a September callup to get a taste of the big leagues as a defensive replacement and pinch runner.


Only problem with this I see is "Schafer in a funk". He's just not very good, period.




wethrock -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 2:43:17 PM)

Bringing Buxton to the majors now is very foolish. Take a look at the RedSox in 2013. Jackie Bradley was the late-bloomer hot college prospect CFer who was brought up with very few minor league ABs. Great defensively, but was totally overmatched at bat and regressed during the season. Same thing happened to him in 2014; now he's in AAA and so far is putting up good numbers. He may still become a productive major-leaguer, but no sure thing. This suggested treatment of Buxton could become Bradley No. 2.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 2:51:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wethrock

Bringing Buxton to the majors now is very foolish. Take a look at the RedSox in 2013. Jackie Bradley was the late-bloomer hot college prospect CFer who was brought up with very few minor league ABs. Great defensively, but was totally overmatched at bat and regressed during the season. Same thing happened to him in 2014; now he's in AAA and so far is putting up good numbers. He may still become a productive major-leaguer, but no sure thing. This suggested treatment of Buxton could become Bradley No. 2.



I can pretty much guarantee you they won't bring up Sano or Buxton until they start hitting....they have only played 13 games (not even 2 weeks worth of games).




McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 3:20:55 PM)

On May 1st, I'd bring up Hicks, put him in Center and let hom bat 9th.
By September we'd know to fish or cut bait with him.
I'd keep Buxton and Sano in Double AA until they start raking.
Then I'd move them to AAA in September.
Hopefully next year, they all start in Minnesota

Buxton CF
Mauer 1B
Dozier 2B
Vargas DH
Sano 3B
Plouffe RF
Santana SS
Pinto C
Hicks LF

Bench

Arcia
Robinson
Nunez
Herrman
Escobar

Arcia rotates between OF/1B/DH gets 400 at bats




McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 3:23:48 PM)

Hughes
Meyer
Millone
Berrios
May




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 3:26:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

Hughes
Meyer
Millone
Berrios
May



Hope so but that missing 25M in starting pitching money in 2016 and 2017 already committed to two guys not listed




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 3:29:50 PM)

Rochester and Syracuse postponed today due to weather. Doubleheader tomorrow.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 3:33:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Rochester and Syracuse postponed today due to weather. Doubleheader tomorrow.



2 consecutive weather days. Those games will stack up fast.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 5:08:21 PM)

I think it is going to be a battle between Rosario/Arcia/Hicks/Walker/Buxton/Robinson next year for 4 spots. There is going to be a pretty good outfield in AAA again.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (4/24/2015 5:12:39 PM)

Where doyou put Sano? Plouffe? Vargas?




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