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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 10:09:41 AM   
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Garcon will get resigned by the Skins IMO. They will lose Jackson to Philly.


That (the Skins) brings up another possibility (not for us, in general). I'm pretty sure Cousins isn't getting a big deal after that. They were already iffy with him but that just cemented his legacy in DC.

Cousins isn't the problem in DC. Their defense is a complete sieve against the run so they can't control the clock when they need to.

Cousins may not the be the biggest problem but he is one of the big problems

He is like Bradford - looks all planet against bad and mediocre teams but is less than good against good teams or when it matters most

The defense was good for them yesterday - it forced 5 straight 3 and outs by the Giants and all Cousins could do was 10 points and a game losing pick

ANd unlike Bradford he can't blame his line

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 10:26:19 AM   
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I wouldn't bring Munnerlynn back. He's been getting torched at a pretty regular rate the past couple weeks.


Yep Jeff, I think You roll with Alexander/Waynes as next men up

CB is one of the few areas we have good depth!


Not if we don't bring at least 1 of Newman/Wunnerlyn back. And Alexander barely sniffed the field this year, so we don't know what we have in him. The coaches might, we don't. I hope for a Waynes like progression from year 1 to year 2 for him, but that is no certainty.
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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 10:28:47 AM   
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I would kick the tires on Newman 1 more time and bring in another vet that isn't too pricey.
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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 10:34:04 AM   
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looking at FA guys available. Maybe make a play for someone like Gilmore (although his $$ might be a bit high) from Buffalo. Still pretty young but had 5 picks. Even Dre Kirkpatrick. He may be a bit cheaper.
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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 10:55:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JC2015

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Garcon will get resigned by the Skins IMO. They will lose Jackson to Philly.


That (the Skins) brings up another possibility (not for us, in general). I'm pretty sure Cousins isn't getting a big deal after that. They were already iffy with him but that just cemented his legacy in DC.

Cousins isn't the problem in DC. Their defense is a complete sieve against the run so they can't control the clock when they need to.

Cousins may not the be the biggest problem but he is one of the big problems

He is like Bradford - looks all planet against bad and mediocre teams but is less than good against good teams or when it matters most

The defense was good for them yesterday - it forced 5 straight 3 and outs by the Giants and all Cousins could do was 10 points and a game losing pick

ANd unlike Bradford he can't blame his line

I agree he is not an elite guy, but he could easily be a Phil Sims type of guy and win a Super Bowl. Their front seven on defense is atrocious. Josh Norman has made them a bit better on the back end, but they have no linebackers or linemen worth a shit.

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 12:35:14 PM   
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For Cousins to be effective, they have to run the ball.

When he is asked to throw against top teams he throws it to them.

He is not a big game QB

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 2:26:33 PM   
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Sirles, Thielen, and Charles Johnson are restricted FA's.

What kind of tender do you put on Thielen?

From the interwebs:

First round tender: 1 year, about $3.582 million
Second round tender: 1 year, about $2.516 million
Right of first refusal/Original round tender: 1 year, about $1.647 million

Those names are not just for show. As the name implies, other teams can sign away restricted free agents -- at a price. Another team can come in and offer a restricted free agent more money to sign elsewhere, but must also give away a draft pick -- namely the one mentioned in the type of tender. "Original round" refers to the round the restricted agent was initially drafted in. If he was not drafted, there is no draft compensation.

Right of refusal -- This means that a restricted free agent's team can match any offer made by another team trying to sign him away and retain the player at that price.


You 1st round tender Theilen or hopefully work out a long term deal.

Give Sirles 3 yrs. 5M to be the jack of all trades sub.

Wish CJ well. Thank him for that one nice catch he made against the Bears(in CHI) in 2015.
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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 2:50:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brian Nagel

Sirles, Thielen, and Charles Johnson are restricted FA's.

What kind of tender do you put on Thielen?

From the interwebs:

First round tender: 1 year, about $3.582 million
Second round tender: 1 year, about $2.516 million
Right of first refusal/Original round tender: 1 year, about $1.647 million

Those names are not just for show. As the name implies, other teams can sign away restricted free agents -- at a price. Another team can come in and offer a restricted free agent more money to sign elsewhere, but must also give away a draft pick -- namely the one mentioned in the type of tender. "Original round" refers to the round the restricted agent was initially drafted in. If he was not drafted, there is no draft compensation.

Right of refusal -- This means that a restricted free agent's team can match any offer made by another team trying to sign him away and retain the player at that price.


You 1st round tender Theilen or hopefully work out a long term deal.

Give Sirles 3 yrs. 5M to be the jack of all trades sub.

Wish CJ well. Thank him for that one nice catch he made against the Bears(in CHI) in 2015.


That's pretty bang on. (and funny)

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 3:14:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Lowe

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I wouldn't bring Munnerlynn back. He's been getting torched at a pretty regular rate the past couple weeks.


Yep Jeff, I think You roll with Alexander/Waynes as next men up

CB is one of the few areas we have good depth!


Not if we don't bring at least 1 of Newman/Wunnerlyn back. And Alexander barely sniffed the field this year, so we don't know what we have in him. The coaches might, we don't. I hope for a Waynes like progression from year 1 to year 2 for him, but that is no certainty.



i've supported resigning captain, but i don't anymore - he became a liability the second half of the season....

rhodes, waynes, alexander and newman - draft one and pick up a 2nd tier free agent...we still have jabari price too....

i wonder what darrelle revis will command in free agency - he's lost a step, but zimmer could get the most out of what's left of him....

newman will get another one year $3m deal - he was a top rated cb this season and we should keep him until he proves he can't handle it anymore....

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 3:16:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brian Nagel

Sirles, Thielen, and Charles Johnson are restricted FA's.

What kind of tender do you put on Thielen?

From the interwebs:

First round tender: 1 year, about $3.582 million
Second round tender: 1 year, about $2.516 million
Right of first refusal/Original round tender: 1 year, about $1.647 million

Those names are not just for show. As the name implies, other teams can sign away restricted free agents -- at a price. Another team can come in and offer a restricted free agent more money to sign elsewhere, but must also give away a draft pick -- namely the one mentioned in the type of tender. "Original round" refers to the round the restricted agent was initially drafted in. If he was not drafted, there is no draft compensation.

Right of refusal -- This means that a restricted free agent's team can match any offer made by another team trying to sign him away and retain the player at that price.


You 1st round tender Theilen or hopefully work out a long term deal.

Give Sirles 3 yrs. 5M to be the jack of all trades sub.

Wish CJ well. Thank him for that one nice catch he made against the Bears(in CHI) in 2015.



1st round tender for theilen?...would you trade him for a 2nd round pick?....

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 3:20:16 PM   
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For Cousins to be effective, they have to run the ball.

When he is asked to throw against top teams he throws it to them.

He is not a big game QB




i think washington has to keep cousins...he could get a kaepernick type contract - good qb money with no guarantees....

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 4:05:33 PM   
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Its absurdly early, but I like Draftek's current mock for the Vikes. When the draft actually rolls around the guys we pick will be completely different, but in terms of positions taken I hope we draft along these lines:

2. Pat Elflein - OG - OSU
3. Chad Wheeler - OT - USC
3. Jeremy McNichols - RB - Boise St
4. Chad Thomas - Edge - Miami
4. Nazair Jones - DT - UNC
5. John Toth - C - Kentucky

We sign the 2 best FA Tackles, front load their contracts and in theory we finally get our offensive line in order for both the near and long term.

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 4:52:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JC2015

For Cousins to be effective, they have to run the ball.

When he is asked to throw against top teams he throws it to them.

He is not a big game QB




i think washington has to keep cousins...he could get a kaepernick type contract - good qb money with no guarantees....

They will keep him but a couple bad losses down the stretch will cost him serious $$$

I am glad they are keeping him

One less contender for the Vikings to worry about

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 5:58:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

Its absurdly early, but I like Draftek's current mock for the Vikes. When the draft actually rolls around the guys we pick will be completely different, but in terms of positions taken I hope we draft along these lines:

2. Pat Elflein - OG - OSU
3. Chad Wheeler - OT - USC
3. Jeremy McNichols - RB - Boise St
4. Chad Thomas - Edge - Miami
4. Nazair Jones - DT - UNC
5. John Toth - C - Kentucky

We sign the 2 best FA Tackles, front load their contracts and in theory we finally get our offensive line in order for both the near and long term.



i'd like a rb like david johnson/3rd round or jordon howard/ 5th round...big north running backs we might be able to find in the middle rounds...then mckinnon as change of pace....

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 6:03:36 PM   
Mark Anderson

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brian Nagel

Sirles, Thielen, and Charles Johnson are restricted FA's.

What kind of tender do you put on Thielen?

From the interwebs:

First round tender: 1 year, about $3.582 million
Second round tender: 1 year, about $2.516 million
Right of first refusal/Original round tender: 1 year, about $1.647 million

Those names are not just for show. As the name implies, other teams can sign away restricted free agents -- at a price. Another team can come in and offer a restricted free agent more money to sign elsewhere, but must also give away a draft pick -- namely the one mentioned in the type of tender. "Original round" refers to the round the restricted agent was initially drafted in. If he was not drafted, there is no draft compensation.

Right of refusal -- This means that a restricted free agent's team can match any offer made by another team trying to sign him away and retain the player at that price.


You 1st round tender Theilen or hopefully work out a long term deal.

Give Sirles 3 yrs. 5M to be the jack of all trades sub.

Wish CJ well. Thank him for that one nice catch he made against the Bears(in CHI) in 2015.



1st round tender for theilen?...would you trade him for a 2nd round pick?....

No. We developed him. He seems to be improving every year. Why throw it away on an unknown?

In hindsight, did Miami want Welker back or the pick they got?
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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 6:04:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brian Nagel

Sirles, Thielen, and Charles Johnson are restricted FA's.

What kind of tender do you put on Thielen?

From the interwebs:

First round tender: 1 year, about $3.582 million
Second round tender: 1 year, about $2.516 million
Right of first refusal/Original round tender: 1 year, about $1.647 million

Those names are not just for show. As the name implies, other teams can sign away restricted free agents -- at a price. Another team can come in and offer a restricted free agent more money to sign elsewhere, but must also give away a draft pick -- namely the one mentioned in the type of tender. "Original round" refers to the round the restricted agent was initially drafted in. If he was not drafted, there is no draft compensation.

Right of refusal -- This means that a restricted free agent's team can match any offer made by another team trying to sign him away and retain the player at that price.


You 1st round tender Theilen or hopefully work out a long term deal.

Give Sirles 3 yrs. 5M to be the jack of all trades sub.

Wish CJ well. Thank him for that one nice catch he made against the Bears(in CHI) in 2015.



1st round tender for theilen?...would you trade him for a 2nd round pick?....

No. We developed him. He seems to be improving every year. Why throw it away on an unknown?

In hindsight, did Miami want Welker back or the pick they got?


Hard to say, they certainly didn't utilize him like NE did.
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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 6:14:54 PM   
ratoppenheimer


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brian Nagel

Sirles, Thielen, and Charles Johnson are restricted FA's.

What kind of tender do you put on Thielen?

From the interwebs:

First round tender: 1 year, about $3.582 million
Second round tender: 1 year, about $2.516 million
Right of first refusal/Original round tender: 1 year, about $1.647 million

Those names are not just for show. As the name implies, other teams can sign away restricted free agents -- at a price. Another team can come in and offer a restricted free agent more money to sign elsewhere, but must also give away a draft pick -- namely the one mentioned in the type of tender. "Original round" refers to the round the restricted agent was initially drafted in. If he was not drafted, there is no draft compensation.

Right of refusal -- This means that a restricted free agent's team can match any offer made by another team trying to sign him away and retain the player at that price.


You 1st round tender Theilen or hopefully work out a long term deal.

Give Sirles 3 yrs. 5M to be the jack of all trades sub.

Wish CJ well. Thank him for that one nice catch he made against the Bears(in CHI) in 2015.



1st round tender for theilen?...would you trade him for a 2nd round pick?....

No. We developed him. He seems to be improving every year. Why throw it away on an unknown?

In hindsight, did Miami want Welker back or the pick they got?



there is very little doubt in my mind that we'll sign theilen...and he has good chemistry with bradford....

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 6:43:13 PM   
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as expected; all these players signed to futures contracts....


Sterling Bailey, DT
Moritz Böhringer, WR
Kyle Carter, TE
Cayleb Jones, WR
Marquis Lucas, T
Tre Roberson, CB
Bishop Sankey, RB
Cedric Thompson, S
Austin Shepherd, T

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 6:50:22 PM   
Mark Anderson

 

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as expected; all these players signed to futures contracts....


Sterling Bailey, DT
Moritz Böhringer, WR
Kyle Carter, TE
Cayleb Jones, WR
Marquis Lucas, T
Tre Roberson, CB
Bishop Sankey, RB
Cedric Thompson, S
Austin Shepherd, T

I wonder if Sankey was just overrated or if he can still be a solid player?

Injury? Lack of speed?

Feasted on Pac 12 defenses and had inflated stats?
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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 9:05:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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as expected; all these players signed to futures contracts....


Sterling Bailey, DT
Moritz Böhringer, WR
Kyle Carter, TE
Cayleb Jones, WR
Marquis Lucas, T
Tre Roberson, CB
Bishop Sankey, RB
Cedric Thompson, S
Austin Shepherd, T

I wonder if Sankey was just overrated or if he can still be a solid player?

Injury? Lack of speed?

Feasted on Pac 12 defenses and had inflated stats?


Sankey is a body. He's the new Joe Banyard. Nothing more.

Tre Roberson is going to make the team next year, maybe in place of Jabari Price.

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 9:11:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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as expected; all these players signed to futures contracts....


Sterling Bailey, DT
Moritz Böhringer, WR
Kyle Carter, TE
Cayleb Jones, WR
Marquis Lucas, T
Tre Roberson, CB
Bishop Sankey, RB
Cedric Thompson, S
Austin Shepherd, T

I wonder if Sankey was just overrated or if he can still be a solid player?

Injury? Lack of speed?

Feasted on Pac 12 defenses and had inflated stats?


Sankey is a body. He's the new Joe Banyard. Nothing more.

Tre Roberson is going to make the team next year, maybe in place of Jabari Price.

Pac 12 skill position players on offense often are dramatically overrated coming into the draft. Can't wait to see what Roberson can do.

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 9:27:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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as expected; all these players signed to futures contracts....


Sterling Bailey, DT
Moritz Böhringer, WR
Kyle Carter, TE
Cayleb Jones, WR
Marquis Lucas, T
Tre Roberson, CB
Bishop Sankey, RB
Cedric Thompson, S
Austin Shepherd, T

I wonder if Sankey was just overrated or if he can still be a solid player?

Injury? Lack of speed?

Feasted on Pac 12 defenses and had inflated stats?


Yes, no, no, yes, yes, and yes.
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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 9:29:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brian Nagel

Sirles, Thielen, and Charles Johnson are restricted FA's.

What kind of tender do you put on Thielen?

From the interwebs:

First round tender: 1 year, about $3.582 million
Second round tender: 1 year, about $2.516 million
Right of first refusal/Original round tender: 1 year, about $1.647 million

Those names are not just for show. As the name implies, other teams can sign away restricted free agents -- at a price. Another team can come in and offer a restricted free agent more money to sign elsewhere, but must also give away a draft pick -- namely the one mentioned in the type of tender. "Original round" refers to the round the restricted agent was initially drafted in. If he was not drafted, there is no draft compensation.

Right of refusal -- This means that a restricted free agent's team can match any offer made by another team trying to sign him away and retain the player at that price.


You 1st round tender Theilen or hopefully work out a long term deal.

Give Sirles 3 yrs. 5M to be the jack of all trades sub.

Wish CJ well. Thank him for that one nice catch he made against the Bears(in CHI) in 2015.



1st round tender for theilen?...would you trade him for a 2nd round pick?....

No. We developed him. He seems to be improving every year. Why throw it away on an unknown?

In hindsight, did Miami want Welker back or the pick they got?



there is very little doubt in my mind that we'll sign theilen...and he has good chemistry with bradford....


Me and Ricky J were at TC this year, watching Thielen, we were both like Jarius Wright who?
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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/2/2017 10:18:53 PM   
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Pac 12 vs. Pac 12 is usually good football.
Vs. everybody else usually not so much.

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RE: 2017 Free Agency - 1/3/2017 7:47:23 AM   
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The only one I care about on that list is CP and we will likely be beat out on the offer we make.



Don't care for Newman?

Was leaning towards keeping Patterson a couple weeks ago. Then he completely fubar's that route today leading to the pick. I doubt he'll ever be more than a kick returner and gimmick player IMO. Expendable to me.


Yeah that was poor route running on display

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