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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 5:19:29 PM   
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Keenum has some good traits for a QB.
Unfortunately, his arm isn't one of them.
Actually, he reminds me a little of Bridgewater.


He sure seemed to not have too many issues throwing deep against the Bucs plus our best deep threat (Diggs) was getting his groin looked at last game. Time to get Coley/Adams going....

I think anyone can float 'em at this level into an open zone.
His passes take a while to get there after 15 yards.
Which can be game planned for ... like in the TB game.
We need to do some more of that vs. GB.
Get the receivers separation because that's what he needs to be successful.



keenum looks like a good back up

maybe even very good backup because he doesnt seem to throw a lot of INTs

nothing about him looks like a starter you can win long term with

IMO

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 5:22:49 PM   
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https://purpleptsd.com/anthony-barr-is-back-baby/

Barr is very good in the open field.
If you watch him more closely during games you will see he has his back turned to the LOS an awful lot.
Not something you want your LB's doing.
Scheme, or not.
He gets lost out there too much.

And while I'm at it .... why is Robison dropping back in coverage on a TE?
We pull that shit with Rodgers and he'll torch us.


Barr has been solid

i thought he was going to be a stud, but he is pretty good...seems like he should be a stud, but he is stuck in pretty good territory

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 5:26:03 PM   
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Our next off-season controversy ...

ESPN speculating on where Kirk Cousins ends up.
We are one of the many destinations they consider ...

Minnesota Vikings

Why it could work

With Sam Bradford's health a major concern and Teddy Bridgewater's career in question, the Vikings have become a version of the Bradford-era St. Louis Rams: a team that might contend if only its quarterback could play. The Vikings have zero dollars committed to quarterbacks beyond this season, and they have a history under general manager Rick Spielman of adding veteran quarterbacks such as Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb and Bradford.

Why it couldn't work

Bradford could return to health and play well enough for Minnesota to re-sign him during the season, which would remove the Vikings from the market for another veteran.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 5:28:10 PM   
drviking


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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Our next off-season controversy ...

ESPN speculating on where Kirk Cousins ends up.
We are one of the many destinations they consider ...

Minnesota Vikings

Why it could work

With Sam Bradford's health a major concern and Teddy Bridgewater's career in question, the Vikings have become a version of the Bradford-era St. Louis Rams: a team that might contend if only its quarterback could play. The Vikings have zero dollars committed to quarterbacks beyond this season, and they have a history under general manager Rick Spielman of adding veteran quarterbacks such as Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb and Bradford.

Why it couldn't work

Bradford could return to health and play well enough for Minnesota to re-sign him during the season, which would remove the Vikings from the market for another veteran.



lots of QBs available this offseason, but that is a convo for another day...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 5:40:58 PM   
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Todd, as much as I dislike calling you on bullshit, because you passionately, and desperately want this team to win, as do all of us, but the Bradford we saw tear it up against NO, got hurt... his knees have always been a concern and I don’t see you calling bridgewater out to take a Tylenol arthritis strength and “suck it up” ... and get on the field.. it seems from the description of Bradford’s play and lack of mobility that he actulayy hurt the team as a whole, by trying to be the “tough warrior “ that sucks it up and plays thru pain.

The difference in performance and offensive stats after Keemun took over should be all the evidence anyone needs that Bradford, despite his willingness to give it the warriors way, was a pure liability.

End of story.



yes, and if anyone watched the game on monday they'd know that bradford is not sacrificing his knees for any football team that is already on the hook for $18m....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 6:06:12 PM   
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http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/7-Non-Starting-QBs-Who-Won-a-Super-Bowl-/87d5483e-30c1-4ac2-8a11-672b41ad83ae


It's a good list, but it's interesting to note that it's been 16 years since Brady did it and I think that the salary cap has a lot to do with that. The salary cap did begin in 1994 but you can see that two of the quarterbacks since are on the list, but were on their rookie contract. The lone exception was Dilfer who played on a team with one of the all time best defenses.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 8:03:48 PM   
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Ben Leber: My guess: “wear and tear”=arthritis.


I know people hate this but it makes me less sympathetic.

If you can't go, or can't protect yourself because of injury...I want you to but if you can't you can't.

Not being able to step into your throws or move in the pocket...because it's ouchy...take a tylonol arthritis and suck it up. Or retire, whatever.

You don't just mask up the pain and play anymore.
It does more harm than good.
Not only to your health, but your career.
I don't think it's fair for us to be judging what is "ouchy" either.
He's still got a career after this season, and a life after football.


Knee replacement surgery and you're good as new.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 8:10:45 PM   
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For what it's worth, our passing game really steps up w/ Keenum in there. I think we should ride the hot hand until it's not anymore. Bridgewater, Bradford, and Sloter just all have question marks for one reason or another. Keenum deserves the starting job, IMO.


He deserves the starting job if you got no one else.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 8:18:12 PM   
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Not getting ahead of myself....honest assessment. Our best shot to beat GB and win the next 3 is Case, not Sam or Teddy. They are paying Case 2 million this year.....(Glennon gets 18 million).

Give him a couple million and keep him at 2 next year at 3-5 million.


Case has said he still wants to be a starter. I really doubt he's going to sign a smallish extension during the season with us.


lets go ahead and extend Danielle Hunter for a 2-3 million, too

Cmon Spielman do your job and get it done


OMG you just compared Kasey Kasem to Danielle Hunter!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 8:51:55 PM   
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Keenum absolutely lit it up while in college.

You can almost see him accel when in a spread formation and a no huddle.

He has some pretty good escapability too.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 9:00:40 PM   
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The #Vikings are one of three teams who haven't thrown an INT in 2017.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 9:24:23 PM   
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The #Vikings are one of three teams who haven't thrown an INT in 2017.


It's coming.
Got to respond when it does.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 9:48:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Our next off-season controversy ...

ESPN speculating on where Kirk Cousins ends up.
We are one of the many destinations they consider ...

Minnesota Vikings

Why it could work

With Sam Bradford's health a major concern and Teddy Bridgewater's career in question, the Vikings have become a version of the Bradford-era St. Louis Rams: a team that might contend if only its quarterback could play. The Vikings have zero dollars committed to quarterbacks beyond this season, and they have a history under general manager Rick Spielman of adding veteran quarterbacks such as Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb and Bradford.

Why it couldn't work

Bradford could return to health and play well enough for Minnesota to re-sign him during the season, which would remove the Vikings from the market for another veteran.




Cousins will be looking for, and probably getting, Stafford money. No thank you.

Still not certain how good he is, or will be.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2017 11:19:34 PM  1 votes
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Ben Leber: My guess: “wear and tear”=arthritis.


I know people hate this but it makes me less sympathetic.

If you can't go, or can't protect yourself because of injury...I want you to but if you can't you can't.

Not being able to step into your throws or move in the pocket...because it's ouchy...take a tylonol arthritis and suck it up. Or retire, whatever.

You don't just mask up the pain and play anymore.
It does more harm than good.
Not only to your health, but your career.
I don't think it's fair for us to be judging what is "ouchy" either.
He's still got a career after this season, and a life after football.



On one hand, how dare a professional athlete go broke. On the other, play injured, you fricken pussy.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2017 2:25:46 AM   
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File under #AsExpected:

#Vikings 3 wins: 5 takeaways, 0 turnovers, 421 yds/game

2 losses: 0 takeaways, 4 turnovers, 260 yds/game
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2017 3:12:24 AM   
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keenum looks like a good back up

maybe even very good backup because he doesnt seem to throw a lot of INTs

nothing about him looks like a starter you can win long term with

IMO

Agree 100%, Doc.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2017 6:49:04 AM   
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Evan Silva‏Verified account @evansilva 12h12 hours ago
- Reminder NFL hit rate on 1st-round QBs last decade is 35%. Far worse than coin flip. There isn't a QB evaluator with more hits than misses.

< Message edited by Ricky J -- 10/12/2017 7:01:17 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2017 10:12:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Our next off-season controversy ...

ESPN speculating on where Kirk Cousins ends up.
We are one of the many destinations they consider ...

Minnesota Vikings

Why it could work

With Sam Bradford's health a major concern and Teddy Bridgewater's career in question, the Vikings have become a version of the Bradford-era St. Louis Rams: a team that might contend if only its quarterback could play. The Vikings have zero dollars committed to quarterbacks beyond this season, and they have a history under general manager Rick Spielman of adding veteran quarterbacks such as Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb and Bradford.

Why it couldn't work

Bradford could return to health and play well enough for Minnesota to re-sign him during the season, which would remove the Vikings from the market for another veteran.




Cousins will be looking for, and probably getting, Stafford money. No thank you.

Still not certain how good he is, or will be.

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i'd consider giving cousins a kaepernick style pay as you go deal at $20m/yr...maybe two years guaranteed....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2017 10:58:08 AM   
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Evan Silva‏Verified account @evansilva 12h12 hours ago
- Reminder NFL hit rate on 1st-round QBs last decade is 35%. Far worse than coin flip. There isn't a QB evaluator with more hits than misses.


Which is why you need to keep funneling resources into the position.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2017 11:00:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Our next off-season controversy ...

ESPN speculating on where Kirk Cousins ends up.
We are one of the many destinations they consider ...

Minnesota Vikings

Why it could work

With Sam Bradford's health a major concern and Teddy Bridgewater's career in question, the Vikings have become a version of the Bradford-era St. Louis Rams: a team that might contend if only its quarterback could play. The Vikings have zero dollars committed to quarterbacks beyond this season, and they have a history under general manager Rick Spielman of adding veteran quarterbacks such as Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb and Bradford.

Why it couldn't work

Bradford could return to health and play well enough for Minnesota to re-sign him during the season, which would remove the Vikings from the market for another veteran.




Cousins will be looking for, and probably getting, Stafford money. No thank you.

Still not certain how good he is, or will be.

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i'd consider giving cousins a kaepernick style pay as you go deal at $20m/yr...maybe two years guaranteed....


That's a great deal for us - and I'm not a Cousins fan. But I don't see how numerous QB starved teams don't beat it handily.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2017 11:16:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: JT2

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Our next off-season controversy ...

ESPN speculating on where Kirk Cousins ends up.
We are one of the many destinations they consider ...

Minnesota Vikings

Why it could work

With Sam Bradford's health a major concern and Teddy Bridgewater's career in question, the Vikings have become a version of the Bradford-era St. Louis Rams: a team that might contend if only its quarterback could play. The Vikings have zero dollars committed to quarterbacks beyond this season, and they have a history under general manager Rick Spielman of adding veteran quarterbacks such as Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb and Bradford.

Why it couldn't work

Bradford could return to health and play well enough for Minnesota to re-sign him during the season, which would remove the Vikings from the market for another veteran.




Cousins will be looking for, and probably getting, Stafford money. No thank you.

Still not certain how good he is, or will be.

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i'd consider giving cousins a kaepernick style pay as you go deal at $20m/yr...maybe two years guaranteed....


If we were in the market for him, that's not even close to good enough. I believe he's making 24 million this year alone from being franchise tagged multiple years. He's not going to take anything that resembles a pay cut.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2017 11:23:57 AM   
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Evan Silva‏Verified account @evansilva 12h12 hours ago
- Reminder NFL hit rate on 1st-round QBs last decade is 35%. Far worse than coin flip. There isn't a QB evaluator with more hits than misses.


Curious what the criteria is for "hit" vs "miss".
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2017 11:45:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: JT2

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Our next off-season controversy ...

ESPN speculating on where Kirk Cousins ends up.
We are one of the many destinations they consider ...

Minnesota Vikings

Why it could work

With Sam Bradford's health a major concern and Teddy Bridgewater's career in question, the Vikings have become a version of the Bradford-era St. Louis Rams: a team that might contend if only its quarterback could play. The Vikings have zero dollars committed to quarterbacks beyond this season, and they have a history under general manager Rick Spielman of adding veteran quarterbacks such as Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb and Bradford.

Why it couldn't work

Bradford could return to health and play well enough for Minnesota to re-sign him during the season, which would remove the Vikings from the market for another veteran.




Cousins will be looking for, and probably getting, Stafford money. No thank you.

Still not certain how good he is, or will be.

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i'd consider giving cousins a kaepernick style pay as you go deal at $20m/yr...maybe two years guaranteed....


If we were in the market for him, that's not even close to good enough. I believe he's making 24 million this year alone from being franchise tagged multiple years. He's not going to take anything that resembles a pay cut.



He hates it here but loves Gruden. He'll take a slight pay cut but it'll be to SF only, IMO.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2017 1:48:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JT2

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Our next off-season controversy ...

ESPN speculating on where Kirk Cousins ends up.
We are one of the many destinations they consider ...

Minnesota Vikings

Why it could work

With Sam Bradford's health a major concern and Teddy Bridgewater's career in question, the Vikings have become a version of the Bradford-era St. Louis Rams: a team that might contend if only its quarterback could play. The Vikings have zero dollars committed to quarterbacks beyond this season, and they have a history under general manager Rick Spielman of adding veteran quarterbacks such as Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb and Bradford.

Why it couldn't work

Bradford could return to health and play well enough for Minnesota to re-sign him during the season, which would remove the Vikings from the market for another veteran.




Cousins will be looking for, and probably getting, Stafford money. No thank you.

Still not certain how good he is, or will be.

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i'd consider giving cousins a kaepernick style pay as you go deal at $20m/yr...maybe two years guaranteed....


If we were in the market for him, that's not even close to good enough. I believe he's making 24 million this year alone from being franchise tagged multiple years. He's not going to take anything that resembles a pay cut.


Living out here in Virginia I've seen a lot of Cousins. He's had a couple of really nice years and I hope he has saved his money. Is he worth $24M this season? I'm not so sure. Will he be worth that much or more next season? I just don't see it.

IMO, there are only a couple of QBs in this league that should be making that kind of haul and Cousins isn't one of them.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2017 1:54:26 PM   
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Made in Minnesota - Bio story written by Adam Theilen

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/adam-thielen-vikings/

Good stuff.
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