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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 1:40:39 PM   
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Broncos may release, not trade, Aqib Talib
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 29, 2018, 6:05 AM EST
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The Broncos are looking to trade cornerback Aqib Talib, but that may not find any trading partners.

The problem for the Broncos is that Talib is due to make an $11 million base salary in 2018, and he turns 32 next month. Teams just don’t want to make that kind of investment in a player that age, especially a player who has the history of off-field incidents and suspensions that Talib has.

Jeff Legwold of ESPN said that he asked sources with three teams if they were interested in trading for Talib, and all three said they are not, and that they expect the Broncos to cut Talib when they can’t find any team willing to trade for him.

If Talib is on the Broncos, he’ll cost $12 million against their salary cap in 2018. He has the team’s third-biggest cap hit, behind Von Miller and Demaryius Thomas.


So if we were to pick up Talib after Broncos cut, would we be responsible for his entire $11M?



i dont think so, IIRC, he does not have to clear waivers because he is a veteran player


He would become an UFA and can sign with Any team.

I don't see him signing with us. Doubt he would agree to be a backup



If my memory serves me Talib is an incredible hot head.


so was/is Pacman, and zim reeled him back for a bit

fwiw

not that i am advocating for us to get him, just something

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 1:53:10 PM   
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Pretty sure Talib is an outside cb. Love to have him but I guess I just don't see it happening.

We need depth at both the slot and outside in case of injury

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 2:45:56 PM   
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Pretty sure Talib is an outside cb. Love to have him but I guess I just don't see it happening.

We need depth at both the slot and outside in case of injury


it is a LONG shot, but offseason dreamin has begun



would you give a late round pick to get him at the current contract?


IDK, if i would

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 3:09:56 PM   
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Brees - one of the best QB's ever...won exactly on SB and he and his team had to throw integrity out the window to do it.

Alex Smith - can't win no matter the set up.

Cousins - has never won anything.

The answer isn't here.

The answer is on the team and his name is Teddy.

IMO it is going to take something special for us to win it all. Something developed. A will that won't be denied.



Smith and Cousins have done much more than Teddy has in this leaugue playing QB.

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 3:18:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Brees - one of the best QB's ever...won exactly on SB and he and his team had to throw integrity out the window to do it.

Alex Smith - can't win no matter the set up.

Cousins - has never won anything.

The answer isn't here.

The answer is on the team and his name is Teddy.

IMO it is going to take something special for us to win it all. Something developed. A will that won't be denied.



Smith and Cousins have done much more than Teddy has in this leaugue playing QB.


And neither of them have been carrying their knee around in a shopping bag for the last 2 years. I would have no problem with making a serious run at Cousins.

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 3:30:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Brees - one of the best QB's ever...won exactly on SB and he and his team had to throw integrity out the window to do it.

Alex Smith - can't win no matter the set up.

Cousins - has never won anything.

The answer isn't here.

The answer is on the team and his name is Teddy.

IMO it is going to take something special for us to win it all. Something developed. A will that won't be denied.



Smith and Cousins have done much more than Teddy has in this leaugue playing QB.


And neither of them have been carrying their knee around in a shopping bag for the last 2 years. I would have no problem with making a serious run at Cousins.


He is one of the few QBs that roasted our offense all game w/o some of their best weapons. Crowder and Reed were both hurt if I remember right.

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 3:33:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Brees - one of the best QB's ever...won exactly on SB and he and his team had to throw integrity out the window to do it.

Alex Smith - can't win no matter the set up.

Cousins - has never won anything.

The answer isn't here.

The answer is on the team and his name is Teddy.

IMO it is going to take something special for us to win it all. Something developed. A will that won't be denied.


I like Teddy too, but I don't completely trust him. That's why I want a legitimate starter to compete with him. However, if all the qb's want more than 20 million, I'm ok with drafting a qb in the first round to compete with Teddy. There certainly will be more than one quarterback worthy of consideration at the end of the first round. If we did that, I believe we would have a splendid amount of money to pursue free agents at other positions, such as CB, DT, DE, and OT. I see those positions to be our greatest needs at this time.

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 3:34:57 PM   
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one thing I am hopeful for.


We should be able to tell FAs that they are going to a legit SB contender


maybe that will get us some extra phone calls


Yes. Of course we can phrase it that "with you we will be Super".

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 3:54:53 PM   
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Those darn playoff games put us a bit behind with never-ending FA needs, lists and priorities.

Priorities that must be addressed this offseason:
1. QB. Nuff said.
2A. CB. Zimmer may have outlined his philosophy about good corners allow a D to do more. A good CB to compete with/supplant McKenzie and challenge Waynes would be great.
2B. UT. Haven't recovered from losing Floyd, Stephen is more of a backup to Joseph, and neither Tom nor Jaleel appear to be the answer.

Those are the must address positions.

Other needs:
4. OG. While there are some young players on the team, Berger may retire. Both he and Easton could certainly be challenged. If Berger retires, may have to continue with Easton at LG.
5. TE. Someone needs to either step up or be brought in to stop the revolving door at backup TE. Said backup has to be good at several things (at least in Shurmur's scheme), which offers a challenge.
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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 3:57:56 PM   
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They may also need to plan ahead knowing they may not be able to keep Barr, Kendricks, Hunter, and Diggs if they spend $$ on a QB. But if they are all in for 2018, that can wait.
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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 4:00:06 PM   
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Brees - one of the best QB's ever...won exactly on SB and he and his team had to throw integrity out the window to do it.

Alex Smith - can't win no matter the set up.

Cousins - has never won anything.

The answer isn't here.

The answer is on the team and his name is Teddy.

IMO it is going to take something special for us to win it all. Something developed. A will that won't be denied.


I like Teddy too, but I don't completely trust him. That's why I want a legitimate starter to compete with him. However, if all the qb's want more than 20 million, I'm ok with drafting a qb in the first round to compete with Teddy. There certainly will be more than one quarterback worthy of consideration at the end of the first round. If we did that, I believe we would have a splendid amount of money to pursue free agents at other positions, such as CB, DT, DE, and OT. I see those positions to be our greatest needs at this time.



I don't see OT among the greatest needs (not sure if your list is prioritized). IMO Reiff and Remmers start.
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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 4:35:44 PM   
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We (re)signed Storm Norton to solidify the OT position. Small school guy, big, looks the part, no NFL regular season snaps. Exact attributes trumpeted about boy-band lead singer Stunning Steve Sloter.

And golly-gee, who knows... (insert HoF/perhaps GOAT OT name here) was a nobody and look what he did!

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 4:48:21 PM   
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1. Franchise Keenum (QB)
2. Pay Teddy $6 mil to back up (QB) - We go into the year protected at QB
3. Sheldon Richardson (DT) - Defense line becomes dominant.
4. Andrew Norwell (OG) - Offense line gets an upgrade.
5. Aaron Colvin (CB) - Upgrade at nickel corner/added depth to CB position.

With our cap space, we could pull this scenario off.

Anyone who pays Richardson will get burned. Big payday and he will be impossible to motivate.


he absolutely feels like that kind of player, maybe Zim can help with that?


That's my thought. If anyone can get him going its Zim. Plus he'd be playing alongside Joseph, Hunter and Griffen. Gotta think their presence would light a fire. If he were motivated our line would be insane.

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 5:02:17 PM   
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1. Franchise Keenum (QB)
2. Pay Teddy $6 mil to back up (QB) - We go into the year protected at QB
3. Sheldon Richardson (DT) - Defense line becomes dominant.
4. Andrew Norwell (OG) - Offense line gets an upgrade.
5. Aaron Colvin (CB) - Upgrade at nickel corner/added depth to CB position.

With our cap space, we could pull this scenario off.


LOVE 2-5. Brees/Smith/Cousins > Keenum though IMO.

I agree. Can't see them giving $23 million to Keenum, a QB who Zimmer had a hard time committing to and who showed very little against Philly when all the chips were on the table. Two interceptions and a fumble when Zimmer preaches ball security. Tough to ignore that even considering all the other issues during that game.


Brees isn't coming to MN, he's stated he wants to retire in NO. The Chiefs are asking a 2nd this year and between a 2nd and a 4th next year depending of performance. That is some tall cotton. And Cousins is going to get a multi-year deal worth $25 mil a year. So here's my question:

Is Smith + losing possibly 2 second round picks, and having to give him a long term deal (he's a FA after next year) > Keenum on a 1 year deal for $23 mil?

and

Is Cousins (signing him to 5 year deal for $125 mil (see Derek Carr) > Keenum on a 1 year deal for $23 mil?

I think Cousins and Smith are better than Keenum, but boy, Spielman better be confident that one of them can carry us to a Superbowl victory if he makes that sort of commitment.

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 5:22:10 PM   
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Those darn playoff games put us a bit behind with never-ending FA needs, lists and priorities.

Priorities that must be addressed this offseason:
1. QB. Nuff said.
2A. CB. Zimmer may have outlined his philosophy about good corners allow a D to do more. A good CB to compete with/supplant McKenzie and challenge Waynes would be great.
2B. UT. Haven't recovered from losing Floyd, Stephen is more of a backup to Joseph, and neither Tom nor Jaleel appear to be the answer.

Those are the must address positions.

Other needs:
4. OG. While there are some young players on the team, Berger may retire. Both he and Easton could certainly be challenged. If Berger retires, may have to continue with Easton at LG.
5. TE. Someone needs to either step up or be brought in to stop the revolving door at backup TE. Said backup has to be good at several things (at least in Shurmur's scheme), which offers a challenge.

QB, a third CB and DT are the obvious requirements. Just to keep this thing rolling.

However, starting 2018 with LT Reiff, LG Easton, C Elflein, RGBerger/Sirles/Isadora, RT Remmers (or REmmers at G and Hill at RT) would smack of complacency and thinking the improvement of 2017 was more than it was.

That is, the improvement from 2016 to 2017 was very good ... but the OL itself is merely solid.

IMO QB will be resolved well before FA, I cannot see us gambling on Smith Cousins etc. with 3 familiar faces to gamble on.

After that, sign a veteran DT with some juice and a third CB with slot experience.

Second wave, an OT to compete with Remmers /Hill and a big physical WR to supplant Floyd / Treadwell.

Draft a LB with coverage skills, a TE who can run, a Mckinnon replacement, etc
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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 5:32:45 PM   
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Brees - one of the best QB's ever...won exactly on SB and he and his team had to throw integrity out the window to do it.

Alex Smith - can't win no matter the set up.

Cousins - has never won anything.

The answer isn't here.

The answer is on the team and his name is Teddy.

IMO it is going to take something special for us to win it all. Something developed. A will that won't be denied.


I like Teddy too, but I don't completely trust him. That's why I want a legitimate starter to compete with him. However, if all the qb's want more than 20 million, I'm ok with drafting a qb in the first round to compete with Teddy. There certainly will be more than one quarterback worthy of consideration at the end of the first round. If we did that, I believe we would have a splendid amount of money to pursue free agents at other positions, such as CB, DT, DE, and OT. I see those positions to be our greatest needs at this time.


Very, VERY, few rookie QBs do squat. So you would in effect be handing the starting QB job to Bridge, or resigning yourself to mediocre QB play for 2018 at a minimum.
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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 5:41:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Brees - one of the best QB's ever...won exactly on SB and he and his team had to throw integrity out the window to do it.

Alex Smith - can't win no matter the set up.

Cousins - has never won anything.

The answer isn't here.

The answer is on the team and his name is Teddy.

IMO it is going to take something special for us to win it all. Something developed. A will that won't be denied.



Smith and Cousins have done much more than Teddy has in this leaugue playing QB.


It's hard to imagine considering Smith has played in the league for 12 years and Cousins 6 years. Amongst the group of QBs that haven't done squat in their careers, I'll go with the guy who hasn't done squat for 2 seasons, vs 6 and 12.
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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 5:49:05 PM   
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Cousins is interesting. Barely played his first 3 years, has been pretty terrific the last 3.

Don't love the idea of paying him 30M/season, but at least he's at the age where they should be prime years.
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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 6:00:02 PM   
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Cousins is interesting. Barely played his first 3 years, has been pretty terrific the last 3.

Don't love the idea of paying him 30M/season, but at least he's at the age where they should be prime years.

Slowly being talked into him, too .....
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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 6:09:57 PM   
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Cousins is interesting. Barely played his first 3 years, has been pretty terrific the last 3.

Don't love the idea of paying him 30M/season, but at least he's at the age where they should be prime years.

Slowly being talked into him, too .....


I doubt we meet his price tag.

I think the Broncos and Jets go all-in for him. Jags might be a dark horse.
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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 6:11:19 PM   
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Pretty sure Talib is an outside cb. Love to have him but I guess I just don't see it happening.

We need depth at both the slot and outside in case of injury


it is a LONG shot, but offseason dreamin has begun



would you give a late round pick to get him at the current contract?


IDK, if i would


No I wouldn't. I'd sign him as a FA but I doubt he would sign with us. We have our starting corners.

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 6:40:23 PM   
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If anything Zim is a corner guy. I'd like to believe he's not a huge fan of watching Wayne's trailing with no idea of where the ball is.

I don't think we exercise the 5th year option. We don't have Zim's #2 on the roster.

Alexander gets his 3rd year but I don't see him as an answer either.


We have money. If a guy shakes loose I hope they make a play.

Waynes and Alexander are young guys on their first contract that Zim can use and mask their weaknesses for the most part but can be replaced easy enough. Keep bringing them in until they get guys with with as strong a future as Rhodes did and was groomed into.

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 7:12:59 PM   
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Cousins has a bit of a Jeff George delivery, compact and quick release... a bit of a cross between George and Bradford. Average mobility. Can sling it.

Wonder about his intangibles, can he take command and lead? If so, and we can offer a competitive bid w/o gutting the team then we should go for it.

Cousins, Diggs, Theilen.

Dalvin Cook. Decent OL.

Defense intact next year, hopefully mostly intact the year after.
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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 7:13:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Brees - one of the best QB's ever...won exactly on SB and he and his team had to throw integrity out the window to do it.

Alex Smith - can't win no matter the set up.

Cousins - has never won anything.

The answer isn't here.

The answer is on the team and his name is Teddy.

IMO it is going to take something special for us to win it all. Something developed. A will that won't be denied.



Smith and Cousins have done much more than Teddy has in this leaugue playing QB.


It's hard to imagine considering Smith has played in the league for 12 years and Cousins 6 years. Amongst the group of QBs that haven't done squat in their careers, I'll go with the guy who hasn't done squat for 2 seasons, vs 6 and 12.


So then you’re a Taylor Heineke guy?

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RE: 2018 Free Agents - 1/29/2018 7:17:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Brees - one of the best QB's ever...won exactly on SB and he and his team had to throw integrity out the window to do it.

Alex Smith - can't win no matter the set up.

Cousins - has never won anything.

The answer isn't here.

The answer is on the team and his name is Teddy.

IMO it is going to take something special for us to win it all. Something developed. A will that won't be denied.



Smith and Cousins have done much more than Teddy has in this leaugue playing QB.


It's hard to imagine considering Smith has played in the league for 12 years and Cousins 6 years. Amongst the group of QBs that haven't done squat in their careers, I'll go with the guy who hasn't done squat for 2 seasons, vs 6 and 12.


So then you’re a Taylor Heineke guy?


I know it's hard, but try to keep up.
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